Gear grind anyways is something I find boring no matter which game I play. I want to improve my character instead. Of course I don't neither hate or like Wow, I think it is a pretty average game to me, 3 stars out of 5.
But my point was that it sometimes is a difference between grind and grind.
I don't think anyone who posted 6000+ posts in 4 years time all mentioning he doesn't even play WOW, has the right to post anything on that game, let alone a rating.
As a former WoW player (quit 4 months ago, after 5 years of playing) I agree with Loke666's post.
He gave his opinion so not sure where this attack is coming from.
So you agree with people rating games (3 out of 5 stars) that don't even touch the games they rate.
Perfect illustration about what happens here constantly and a perfect answer to the OP I might say.
People evaluate games they never even touched and then come up with conclusions which simply are not supported by the market mechanism, hence result in unseen laughabvle statements the OP talked about...
Since you also stopped playing 4 months ago, I hope you don't give an "in depth" analysis of Cataclysm for sure.
But my little tone says this hope will be in vain.
Whether someone gave a rating or not is up to them.
I haven't seen the Ironman movie but I'm told by my friends it is a good/bad movie.
My opinion at this point is it is a 'meh' since it is divided evenly between my friends. Maybe I'll like it, maybe not.
Is my opinion 'wrong'? If another person asks about Ironman, is it wrong to say 'Not sure, might be avg as half of my friends say it is good while the other half says it is bad.'. (Oh no! I have an opinion on something I never saw or experienced!)
No, I have no intention of giving 'in depth' analysis of Cata but I know enough to say the 'endgame' hasn't changed.
Unless of course you want to say it has? o_O
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Well OP your prayers have been answered . Buy Rift Planes of Telara on March 1 st . It seams to very much like Vanilla WoW before Blizzard "streamlined" everything and made it a shadow of its former self . I've already cancelled my WoW sub and preordered it . Looks great plays great and has that fun factor WoW once did .
No one will play a new game that offers less. FAR less. Let's say 200 million dollars of development less.
And the market will - once again - show it.
And the frustration will grow once more, just like the 69% market share of WOW.
And then you'll post about the next copied dud coming.
Whether someone gave a rating or not is up to them.
I haven't seen the Ironman movie but I'm told by my friends it is a good/bad movie.
My opinion at this point is it is a 'meh' since it is divided evenly between my friends. Maybe I'll like it, maybe not.
Is my opinion 'wrong'? If another person asks about Ironman, is it wrong to say 'Not sure, might be avg as half of my friends say it is good while the other half says it is bad.'. (Oh no! I have an opinion on something I never saw or experienced!)
No, I have no intention of giving 'in depth' analysis of Cata but I know enough to say the 'endgame' hasn't changed.
Unless of course you want to say it has? o_O
The value of an opinion is wortlhess if the statement isn't based on experience.
The value of a rating is zero if that opinion is based on hear say.
Well OP your prayers have been answered . Buy Rift Planes of Telara on March 1 st . It seams to very much like Vanilla WoW before Blizzard "streamlined" everything and made it a shadow of its former self . I've already cancelled my WoW sub and preordered it . Looks great plays great and has that fun factor WoW once did .
I've got a similar story. I enjoyed vanilla WoW a lot but when one would think expansions make a game deeper, in WoW's case they made it shallower and shallower... to the point where it stands now.
I would pay double the monthly fee to be able to play WoW as it was 4-5 years ago, even early TBC was great. If Rift truly is even near the Vanilla WoW and they will develope it deeper instead of shallower I'm more than happy to support their game.
Well OP your prayers have been answered . Buy Rift Planes of Telara on March 1 st . It seams to very much like Vanilla WoW before Blizzard "streamlined" everything and made it a shadow of its former self . I've already cancelled my WoW sub and preordered it . Looks great plays great and has that fun factor WoW once did .
I've got a similar story. I enjoyed vanilla WoW a lot but when one would think expansions make a game deeper, in WoW's case they made it shallower and shallower... to the point where it stands now.
I would pay double the monthly fee to be able to play WoW as it was 4-5 years ago, even early TBC was great. If Rift truly is even near the Vanilla WoW and they will develope it deeper instead of shallower I'm more than happy to support their game.
Whether someone gave a rating or not is up to them.
I haven't seen the Ironman movie but I'm told by my friends it is a good/bad movie.
My opinion at this point is it is a 'meh' since it is divided evenly between my friends. Maybe I'll like it, maybe not.
Is my opinion 'wrong'? If another person asks about Ironman, is it wrong to say 'Not sure, might be avg as half of my friends say it is good while the other half says it is bad.'. (Oh no! I have an opinion on something I never saw or experienced!)
No, I have no intention of giving 'in depth' analysis of Cata but I know enough to say the 'endgame' hasn't changed.
Unless of course you want to say it has? o_O
The value of an opinion is wortlhess if the statement isn't based on experience.
The value of a rating is zero if that opinion is based on hear say.
Logic.
You do realize he said 'he never played WoW but he think it is 3 out of 5'? So anyone will make up their own judgement?
Sorry, I'm not even remotely arrogant enough to force 'what is logical to me' onto someone else.
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
The problem is there is no other game with WoW's sub numbers. Compare 1st place WoW 12 million or so subs, to 2nd place, which has like prob 500k subs. That'a a massive difference. Everyone hates the top dog. I hate WoW because it's become stale after 3 expansions it's the same rehashed game. Call of duty has become stale, because since Call of duty 4 (2007) they have made the same rehashed game, no new game modes, just reskinned weapons and maps, the gameplay is the same. All the MMO's in the last 5 years (prior to WoW release) are using the same rehashed, reusing techniques that end up in failure, which really saddens me, that no other game has the numbers of WoW, or no where near as close, really does any other game other then WoW even reach 1 million subs at all? That's quite pathetic, Devs needs to wake up and think why their games fail, and WoW still climbs in numbers, oh wait I know why because it's what everyones doing atm, no one cares if the game sucks or is stale, it's what everyone and their mother and cousins are doing. Think youtube, facebook, their are alternatives (some I think that are better) but you can't beat the top dogs.
From my experiences, its all because most people want to see those on high pedestals to fall, those who are successful to fail.
Sad as that is, those who call for the next "WoW killer" are just deluding themselves. Another game is not going to destroy the thing that’s dominating the market, it will be the company that does that.
Perfect example, SW:G was a great game at first, then a company decision decided to change the entire game without really regarding on what the current players wanted and it ended up destroying the player base of that game. It wasn't another game that took those players away initially, it was a ignorant move of the developers and a company decision to push a dramatic game change without looking into the reaction of their players.
Another example, E&B had potential, it was a decent game from Westwood and its only competition was EVE Online and I think Jump Gate, two games that were way more complicated. The company decided to push a patch that changed a lot of things that ticked off a lot of players and then Westwood decided not to pursue any further on developing the game and ended up pulling the plug rather than try to polish it.
Want another example? Read about APB and what they did.
For the OP, people are going to hate WoW because its the biggest and best MMO on the market. A few may go to the "WoW cut-outs" because of storyline, other friends playing it, graphics, or just because they don't want to be a conformist with the rest of the MMO player base.
For me, I'm going to remain playing WoW, have been for 6 years (since beta). I'm wanting to try out DCU and SW:TOR when they debut. Am I looking at them as the next "WoW Killer"?
No. I am looking for something that will bring me more entertainment and that its not a fantasy genre for a change.
Well OP your prayers have been answered . Buy Rift Planes of Telara on March 1 st . It seams to very much like Vanilla WoW before Blizzard "streamlined" everything and made it a shadow of its former self . I've already cancelled my WoW sub and preordered it . Looks great plays great and has that fun factor WoW once did .
No one will play a new game that offers less. FAR less. Let's say 200 million dollars of development less.
And the market will - once again - show it.
And the frustration will grow once more, just like the 69% market share of WOW.
And then you'll post about the next copied dud coming.
And then will come yet more frustration.
And some people never learn.
Shrug: it is your cash.
Meh... when it comes to having fun, it doesn't matter how much money was spent on development, how big the market share is or how high a game is rated. Those figures will not provide me with fun. They might increase the chance that I'll like it because it's an indication that the product can't be complete trash, but... then we have games like Minecraft. To be honest, I've had more hours of fun playing Minecraft than playing Cataclysm and it cost me less than Cataclysm as well... and it was in alpha (now beta) when I got it. Not saying that I hate Cataclysm. I had lots of fun and it was worth my money until I reached the point of having to face the same old tired instance/raid endgame, at which point I cancelled my subscription. I'm just saying that this little indie game made on a shoestring budget has provided me with more fun than what an army of developers with a huge budget could come up with over the course of 2+ years.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
This has been something thats I have wanted to ask.
But how does somebody that hates WoW, like a game thats extremly similar in gameplay?
I seen people say they hate WoW because they have quest grind, but those same people turn around a praise a game which also has the same quest grind.
I dont get it. can somebody explain this phenomenon?
You hate a game for having Gear importance, yet you praise another game which also does the same thing.
I even seen people say they hate grind in general because of WoW, but they love old school everquest.
what the?
You know, I once was the exact same way when I played EQ2, but then again I realized how stupid it all was. I'm always trying new (and old) MMORPGs, so during the Christmas holiday, I tried several games that I had played before, most notably EQ2 (which I played for two years before WoW). To be honest, I have no idea how I ever managed to stick with EQ2 as long as I did as WoW feels so far ahead in almost every aspect of the game. EQ2 has lots of nifty little features that I still like such as the player housing and appearance armor, but compared to Cataclysm, the newest content in EQ2 is absolutely laughable featuring a mind blowing TWO overland zones, a sickening plethora of kill and fetch quests, and the most annoying city/quest hub I have ever seen (Paineel) which just so happens to be littered with NPCs that all look like clones of each other.
I think most people point at WoW and call it easy, but realistically speaking, how many games are head and shoulders more difficult than WoW? The difference in difficulty between games like EQ2, LotRO, and WoW is marginal at best, and games like Aion are only really more difficult because the act of leveling up is really nothing more than a repetitive grind of doing the same repeatable quests over and over again. I mean, I have to say that it's quite amusing to me how so many people have such a diversion to a technically superior game just to be able to say they play a game that's more of a challenge.
His rating is meaningless, just as meaningless as what the OP stated in his excellent post above in this thread.
Seriously? "Market analysis?" That 91% is just the average of 20 reviews from various websites. 20 subjective reviews, just as meaningless as the original poster's opinion.
His rating is meaningless, just as meaningless as what the OP stated in his excellent post above in this thread.
Seriously? "Market analysis?" That 91% is just the average of 20 reviews from various websites. 20 subjective reviews, just as meaningless as the original poster's opinion.
That's 20 different reviews based of experience playing the actual game outweighing 1 guesstimation from someone who claims to have never touched the game. And you're saying we should give his assumption full merit? Wow, I'm glad I don't live by those rules:
20 people say it hurts to put your hand in fire , one says, "It doesn't hurt that bad, altough I've never really done it." Who would you logically believe?
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
His rating is meaningless, just as meaningless as what the OP stated in his excellent post above in this thread.
Seriously? "Market analysis?" That 91% is just the average of 20 reviews from various websites. 20 subjective reviews, just as meaningless as the original poster's opinion.
That's 20 different reviews based of experience playing the actual game outweighing 1 guesstimation from someone who claims to have never touched the game. And you're saying we should give his assumption full merit? Wow, I'm glad I don't live by those rules:
20 people say it hurts to put your hand in fire , one says, "It doesn't hurt that bad, altough I've never really done it." Who would you logically believe?
You quoted my post, but I don't think you read it. The words "full merit" never appear once in my post. In fact, the term I used was "meaningless" - quite the opposite. Opinions are opinions - they're all subjective.
Your example is a poor one, since I can trust my own experience in the case of what causes pain and what doesn't. In fact, fire causing pain is a given, except in rare cases involving sensory disorders. What if 20 people said putting your hand in fire felt great? Would you do it? Do you just go along with the majority on everything? Your music collection must be appalling.
Do yourself a favor and familiarize yourself with the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum. It will keep you from making the same mistakes in the future. Popular does not mean good.
The most unorthadox thing I've heard yet. You want to play a game that is like WoW but isn't WoW. So what's that mean. You want to play WoW with a different graphics engine and maybe different races? I don't get it. Won't ever happen, because there's copyright laws.
Now there are some free games out there called Perfect World and the other called League of Martial Arts or something like that made by the same company who has ripped off WoW sound effects for some of their mob sounds. A familiar sounds like a whelp drake and a boar sounds like the WoW boar. There you go, theres your resolution, a game thats like WoW but not really. Have fun.
The most unorthadox thing I've heard yet. You want to play a game that is like WoW but isn't WoW. So what's that mean. You want to play WoW with a different graphics engine and maybe different races? I don't get it. Won't ever happen, because there's copyright laws.
Now there are some free games out there called Perfect World and the other called League of Martial Arts or something like that made by the same company who has ripped off WoW sound effects for some of their mob sounds. A familiar sounds like a whelp drake and a boar sounds like the WoW boar. There you go, theres your resolution, a game thats like WoW but not really. Have fun.
If someone doesn't say what they don't like about a product, it can be hard to understand why they would like a similar product. Fortunately, most people requesting a game "like WoW, but not WoW" give examples of what they like and don't like. If they don't, it's usually an error in the explanation - most people know what they like and what they don't like.
I think most of us are familiar with fast food, so let's use McDonalds and Burger King as examples. Both are fast-food restaurants that serve hamburgers. They use almost identical ingredients on their sandwiches - beef, cheese, lettuce, tomato, onions, pickles. They even serve the same beverages and side orders. Burger King is like McDonalds, but it isn't McDonalds. Most people would say the food at Burger King tastes different than the food at McDonalds. Some even prefer one to the other. Imagine that!
His rating is meaningless, just as meaningless as what the OP stated in his excellent post above in this thread.
Seriously? "Market analysis?" That 91% is just the average of 20 reviews from various websites. 20 subjective reviews, just as meaningless as the original poster's opinion.
That's 20 different reviews based of experience playing the actual game outweighing 1 guesstimation from someone who claims to have never touched the game. And you're saying we should give his assumption full merit? Wow, I'm glad I don't live by those rules:
20 people say it hurts to put your hand in fire , one says, "It doesn't hurt that bad, altough I've never really done it." Who would you logically believe?
You quoted my post, but I don't think you read it. The words "full merit" never appear once in my post. In fact, the term I used was "meaningless" - quite the opposite. Opinions are opinions - they're all subjective.
Your example is a poor one, since I can trust my own experience in the case of what causes pain and what doesn't. In fact, fire causing pain is a given, except in rare cases involving sensory disorders. What if 20 people said putting your hand in fire felt great? Would you do it? Do you just go along with the majority on everything? Your music collection must be appalling.
Do yourself a favor and familiarize yourself with the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum. It will keep you from making the same mistakes in the future. Popular does not mean good.
You can stop with the excessive hyperbole to try to prove your point. By full merit, I mean full weight to his limited opinion. What I'm trying to get you to see is if you get more good opinions than bad opinions about a mmo and the good are based on experience and the bad are based on asking around, then I think more people would listen to the people with the expereince. But I guess you also believe people that make comments about betas, alpha and screenshots with no hands on have just as much merit as those who have played in them.
So take from that what you will and you keep believeing that guesswork has the same weight as work that has been done.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
His rating is meaningless, just as meaningless as what the OP stated in his excellent post above in this thread.
Seriously? "Market analysis?" That 91% is just the average of 20 reviews from various websites. 20 subjective reviews, just as meaningless as the original poster's opinion.
That's 20 different reviews based of experience playing the actual game outweighing 1 guesstimation from someone who claims to have never touched the game. And you're saying we should give his assumption full merit? Wow, I'm glad I don't live by those rules:
20 people say it hurts to put your hand in fire , one says, "It doesn't hurt that bad, altough I've never really done it." Who would you logically believe?
You quoted my post, but I don't think you read it. The words "full merit" never appear once in my post. In fact, the term I used was "meaningless" - quite the opposite. Opinions are opinions - they're all subjective.
Your example is a poor one, since I can trust my own experience in the case of what causes pain and what doesn't. In fact, fire causing pain is a given, except in rare cases involving sensory disorders. What if 20 people said putting your hand in fire felt great? Would you do it? Do you just go along with the majority on everything? Your music collection must be appalling.
Do yourself a favor and familiarize yourself with the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum. It will keep you from making the same mistakes in the future. Popular does not mean good.
You can stop with the excessive hyperbole to try to prove your point. By full merit, I mean full weight to his limited opinion. What I'm trying to get you to see is if you get more good opinions than bad opinions about a mmo and the good are based on experience and the bad are based on asking around, then I think more people would listen to the people with the expereince. But I guess you also believe people that make comments about betas, alpha and screenshots with no hands on have just as much merit as those who have played in them.
So take from that what you will and you keep believeing that guesswork has the same weight as work that has been done.
You of all people shouldn't be accusing anyone of "excessive hyperbole." Also, I think you'll find that most negative opinions are based on experience.
The most unorthadox thing I've heard yet. You want to play a game that is like WoW but isn't WoW. So what's that mean. You want to play WoW with a different graphics engine and maybe different races? I don't get it. Won't ever happen, because there's copyright laws.
Now there are some free games out there called Perfect World and the other called League of Martial Arts or something like that made by the same company who has ripped off WoW sound effects for some of their mob sounds. A familiar sounds like a whelp drake and a boar sounds like the WoW boar. There you go, theres your resolution, a game thats like WoW but not really. Have fun.
If someone doesn't say what they don't like about a product, it can be hard to understand why they would like a similar product. Fortunately, most people requesting a game "like WoW, but not WoW" give examples of what they like and don't like. If they don't, it's usually an error in the explanation - most people know what they like and what they don't like.
I think most of us are familiar with fast food, so let's use McDonalds and Burger King as examples. Both are fast-food restaurants that serve hamburgers. They use almost identical ingredients on their sandwiches - beef, cheese, lettuce, tomato, onions, pickles. They even serve the same beverages and side orders. Burger King is like McDonalds, but it isn't McDonalds. Most people would say the food at Burger King tastes different than the food at McDonalds. Some even prefer one to the other. Imagine that!
um ya... I personally didn't need a psychological explanation of what the OP meant because you make the error in thinking I'm confused by what they said. I know what they meant. I think how they presented it was retarded and irrelevent. If they want a game thats like WoW but better then WoW, they need to nut up and start cracking on a MMO of their own that they would be satisfied with. Because until that day its going to be hit or miss if a existing MMO company is going to produce something the OP is exactly looking for. So until then they can't be picky on whats available in the market. They either like something or don't. Nothing you like out there? Too bad, possibly the MMO genre is not your cup of tea. I did help the OP by making alternative suggestions to what they may like to try out. Again hit or miss, can't satisfy everyones crave for what they want in a game.
I seen people say they hate WoW because they have quest grind, but those same people turn around a praise a game which also has the same quest grind.I dont get it. can somebody explain this phenomenon?
Because people are not happy unless they have something to B**CH about at all times. Thus the way of humanity. Hear that? Ya'll bitter bickering old grannies complaining about the time when you were 14 and someone stole your underwear as a prank, because you think you have nothing better else to do with your time.
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Whether someone gave a rating or not is up to them.
I haven't seen the Ironman movie but I'm told by my friends it is a good/bad movie.
My opinion at this point is it is a 'meh' since it is divided evenly between my friends. Maybe I'll like it, maybe not.
Is my opinion 'wrong'? If another person asks about Ironman, is it wrong to say 'Not sure, might be avg as half of my friends say it is good while the other half says it is bad.'. (Oh no! I have an opinion on something I never saw or experienced!)
No, I have no intention of giving 'in depth' analysis of Cata but I know enough to say the 'endgame' hasn't changed.
Unless of course you want to say it has? o_O
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
No one will play a new game that offers less. FAR less. Let's say 200 million dollars of development less.
And the market will - once again - show it.
And the frustration will grow once more, just like the 69% market share of WOW.
And then you'll post about the next copied dud coming.
And then will come yet more frustration.
And some people never learn.
Shrug: it is your cash.
The value of an opinion is wortlhess if the statement isn't based on experience.
The value of a rating is zero if that opinion is based on hear say.
Logic.
I've got a similar story. I enjoyed vanilla WoW a lot but when one would think expansions make a game deeper, in WoW's case they made it shallower and shallower... to the point where it stands now.
I would pay double the monthly fee to be able to play WoW as it was 4-5 years ago, even early TBC was great. If Rift truly is even near the Vanilla WoW and they will develope it deeper instead of shallower I'm more than happy to support their game.
Play the game first then whine.
You do realize he said 'he never played WoW but he think it is 3 out of 5'? So anyone will make up their own judgement?
Sorry, I'm not even remotely arrogant enough to force 'what is logical to me' onto someone else.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Which shows the objective worthless value he gave compared to what the market analysis gives to the game: 91%.
http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/971498-world-of-warcraft-cataclysm/index.html
His rating is meaningless, just as meaningless as what the OP stated in his excellent post above in this thread.
The problem is there is no other game with WoW's sub numbers. Compare 1st place WoW 12 million or so subs, to 2nd place, which has like prob 500k subs. That'a a massive difference. Everyone hates the top dog. I hate WoW because it's become stale after 3 expansions it's the same rehashed game. Call of duty has become stale, because since Call of duty 4 (2007) they have made the same rehashed game, no new game modes, just reskinned weapons and maps, the gameplay is the same. All the MMO's in the last 5 years (prior to WoW release) are using the same rehashed, reusing techniques that end up in failure, which really saddens me, that no other game has the numbers of WoW, or no where near as close, really does any other game other then WoW even reach 1 million subs at all? That's quite pathetic, Devs needs to wake up and think why their games fail, and WoW still climbs in numbers, oh wait I know why because it's what everyones doing atm, no one cares if the game sucks or is stale, it's what everyone and their mother and cousins are doing. Think youtube, facebook, their are alternatives (some I think that are better) but you can't beat the top dogs.
Thank you for sharing your opinion on the worthiness of the OP and the various posts in this thread. /irony
I will say this though, I really wish they kept 'Path of the titans'.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
From my experiences, its all because most people want to see those on high pedestals to fall, those who are successful to fail.
Sad as that is, those who call for the next "WoW killer" are just deluding themselves. Another game is not going to destroy the thing that’s dominating the market, it will be the company that does that.
Perfect example, SW:G was a great game at first, then a company decision decided to change the entire game without really regarding on what the current players wanted and it ended up destroying the player base of that game. It wasn't another game that took those players away initially, it was a ignorant move of the developers and a company decision to push a dramatic game change without looking into the reaction of their players.
Another example, E&B had potential, it was a decent game from Westwood and its only competition was EVE Online and I think Jump Gate, two games that were way more complicated. The company decided to push a patch that changed a lot of things that ticked off a lot of players and then Westwood decided not to pursue any further on developing the game and ended up pulling the plug rather than try to polish it.
Want another example? Read about APB and what they did.
For the OP, people are going to hate WoW because its the biggest and best MMO on the market. A few may go to the "WoW cut-outs" because of storyline, other friends playing it, graphics, or just because they don't want to be a conformist with the rest of the MMO player base.
For me, I'm going to remain playing WoW, have been for 6 years (since beta). I'm wanting to try out DCU and SW:TOR when they debut. Am I looking at them as the next "WoW Killer"?
No. I am looking for something that will bring me more entertainment and that its not a fantasy genre for a change.
"Rehab is for quitters."
Meh... when it comes to having fun, it doesn't matter how much money was spent on development, how big the market share is or how high a game is rated. Those figures will not provide me with fun. They might increase the chance that I'll like it because it's an indication that the product can't be complete trash, but... then we have games like Minecraft. To be honest, I've had more hours of fun playing Minecraft than playing Cataclysm and it cost me less than Cataclysm as well... and it was in alpha (now beta) when I got it. Not saying that I hate Cataclysm. I had lots of fun and it was worth my money until I reached the point of having to face the same old tired instance/raid endgame, at which point I cancelled my subscription. I'm just saying that this little indie game made on a shoestring budget has provided me with more fun than what an army of developers with a huge budget could come up with over the course of 2+ years.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
You know, I once was the exact same way when I played EQ2, but then again I realized how stupid it all was. I'm always trying new (and old) MMORPGs, so during the Christmas holiday, I tried several games that I had played before, most notably EQ2 (which I played for two years before WoW). To be honest, I have no idea how I ever managed to stick with EQ2 as long as I did as WoW feels so far ahead in almost every aspect of the game. EQ2 has lots of nifty little features that I still like such as the player housing and appearance armor, but compared to Cataclysm, the newest content in EQ2 is absolutely laughable featuring a mind blowing TWO overland zones, a sickening plethora of kill and fetch quests, and the most annoying city/quest hub I have ever seen (Paineel) which just so happens to be littered with NPCs that all look like clones of each other.
I think most people point at WoW and call it easy, but realistically speaking, how many games are head and shoulders more difficult than WoW? The difference in difficulty between games like EQ2, LotRO, and WoW is marginal at best, and games like Aion are only really more difficult because the act of leveling up is really nothing more than a repetitive grind of doing the same repeatable quests over and over again. I mean, I have to say that it's quite amusing to me how so many people have such a diversion to a technically superior game just to be able to say they play a game that's more of a challenge.
Seriously? "Market analysis?" That 91% is just the average of 20 reviews from various websites. 20 subjective reviews, just as meaningless as the original poster's opinion.
That's 20 different reviews based of experience playing the actual game outweighing 1 guesstimation from someone who claims to have never touched the game. And you're saying we should give his assumption full merit? Wow, I'm glad I don't live by those rules:
20 people say it hurts to put your hand in fire , one says, "It doesn't hurt that bad, altough I've never really done it." Who would you logically believe?
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
You quoted my post, but I don't think you read it. The words "full merit" never appear once in my post. In fact, the term I used was "meaningless" - quite the opposite. Opinions are opinions - they're all subjective.
Your example is a poor one, since I can trust my own experience in the case of what causes pain and what doesn't. In fact, fire causing pain is a given, except in rare cases involving sensory disorders. What if 20 people said putting your hand in fire felt great? Would you do it? Do you just go along with the majority on everything? Your music collection must be appalling.
Do yourself a favor and familiarize yourself with the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum. It will keep you from making the same mistakes in the future. Popular does not mean good.
The most unorthadox thing I've heard yet. You want to play a game that is like WoW but isn't WoW. So what's that mean. You want to play WoW with a different graphics engine and maybe different races? I don't get it. Won't ever happen, because there's copyright laws.
Now there are some free games out there called Perfect World and the other called League of Martial Arts or something like that made by the same company who has ripped off WoW sound effects for some of their mob sounds. A familiar sounds like a whelp drake and a boar sounds like the WoW boar. There you go, theres your resolution, a game thats like WoW but not really. Have fun.
If someone doesn't say what they don't like about a product, it can be hard to understand why they would like a similar product. Fortunately, most people requesting a game "like WoW, but not WoW" give examples of what they like and don't like. If they don't, it's usually an error in the explanation - most people know what they like and what they don't like.
I think most of us are familiar with fast food, so let's use McDonalds and Burger King as examples. Both are fast-food restaurants that serve hamburgers. They use almost identical ingredients on their sandwiches - beef, cheese, lettuce, tomato, onions, pickles. They even serve the same beverages and side orders. Burger King is like McDonalds, but it isn't McDonalds. Most people would say the food at Burger King tastes different than the food at McDonalds. Some even prefer one to the other. Imagine that!
You can stop with the excessive hyperbole to try to prove your point. By full merit, I mean full weight to his limited opinion. What I'm trying to get you to see is if you get more good opinions than bad opinions about a mmo and the good are based on experience and the bad are based on asking around, then I think more people would listen to the people with the expereince. But I guess you also believe people that make comments about betas, alpha and screenshots with no hands on have just as much merit as those who have played in them.
So take from that what you will and you keep believeing that guesswork has the same weight as work that has been done.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
You of all people shouldn't be accusing anyone of "excessive hyperbole." Also, I think you'll find that most negative opinions are based on experience.
um ya... I personally didn't need a psychological explanation of what the OP meant because you make the error in thinking I'm confused by what they said. I know what they meant. I think how they presented it was retarded and irrelevent. If they want a game thats like WoW but better then WoW, they need to nut up and start cracking on a MMO of their own that they would be satisfied with. Because until that day its going to be hit or miss if a existing MMO company is going to produce something the OP is exactly looking for. So until then they can't be picky on whats available in the market. They either like something or don't. Nothing you like out there? Too bad, possibly the MMO genre is not your cup of tea. I did help the OP by making alternative suggestions to what they may like to try out. Again hit or miss, can't satisfy everyones crave for what they want in a game.
OP just wants people to think he is cool because he hates WoW....
Because people are not happy unless they have something to B**CH about at all times. Thus the way of humanity. Hear that? Ya'll bitter bickering old grannies complaining about the time when you were 14 and someone stole your underwear as a prank, because you think you have nothing better else to do with your time.