Regarding the letter, It's sad to see the kind of support the WoW community lacks (but I can't possibly be bothered to expect anything else from Blizzard's horrible failure of a community), but the Guild was horrible; most Guilds are. It's a chance for him to find either a new Guild, or a new game.
I play alot of FPS where Voice chat is required by every good clan, if you dont use it then just be ready to change you name to lonewolf (yes there are millions on line called that), it used to corrdinate attacks and form counter attacks very quickly when things dont go to a written plan.
Playing WoW I only used voice chat in raid for all the same reasons, things go wrong and you need to be able to communicate quickly and efficantly with the rest of the raid to get the boss down, if you have to type out that you need the healer to change there healing main target or that the tank needs to taunt off the main tank, DPS needs to burn down adds that are getting out of hand, all things that will take alot longer to type when the raid leader is trying to do alot of other stuff at that time too.
I'm all for guilds that say No Vent No Raids, there are guilds out there that will take people with out vent and PuGs are mostly open to anyone, but if you have a guild that wants to get bosses down and do well then Vent is more or less a must these days.
I play alot of FPS where Voice chat is required by every good clan, if you dont use it then just be ready to change you name to lonewolf (yes there are millions on line called that), it used to corrdinate attacks and form counter attacks very quickly when things dont go to a written plan.
Playing WoW I only used voice chat in raid for all the same reasons, things go wrong and you need to be able to communicate quickly and efficantly with the rest of the raid to get the boss down, if you have to type out that you need the healer to change there healing main target or that the tank needs to taunt off the main tank, DPS needs to burn down adds that are getting out of hand, all things that will take alot longer to type when the raid leader is trying to do alot of other stuff at that time too.
I'm all for guilds that say No Vent No Raids, there are guilds out there that will take people with out vent and PuGs are mostly open to anyone, but if you have a guild that wants to get bosses down and do well then Vent is more or less a must these days.
In an FPS i can understand things move around quickly, theres no real guide as most of it is attacking other players thus things can change quickly.
In games like WoW however usually the raid your up against is fixed, if you've run it before you know where the mobs are. How to pull to keep adds from showing up. How to turn mobs so they don't harm the entire group. What the mob will do when.
I'm not sure how it works in WoW but if it's anything like EQ, then usually the raid leader tells people what is going to happen, what is called (loot wise) and what are the major things to watch out for. Then you have the back up leads that can call out adds if they see them (these usually were the ones who had the track ability). Then you had the group leaders who would report to the back up leads if anything happened, like a group member died and needed a rez or if a person had to go afk for some RL reason.
Most of the time the raid leader was responsible for making sure the raid was going in the right direction and that the groups were organized correctly (each group had at least a healer of some sort and a tankish character). The back ups would take care of the normal raid stuff like aggro management and making sure the groups were together and all there. The group leaders were responsible for making sure the group knew what to do in the current situation and reporting anything to the back ups. The group themselves had to know from the group leader what to do and stand where they were suppose to.
Most raids started as such you were invited to a group depending on your abilities (stats/level/class) to a group. The raid leader would then say this raid is to take down X. We need to make sure we take down A, then B, then C, then D, also make sure that all your groups have some kind of enchanter in your group as A and D like to mez people and only the enchanter can really undo this. Then the back up would take over and make sure everyone had everything they needed and then call to make sure the groups were all ready
Then each group leader (the first one in the list) would type ready and the raid would be off.
If anything poped up that the group couldn't handle they would say ADD and an enchanter would mez it so it would stand still for a while.
As you neared the boss they would say okay we are at Boss A: (two things can occur here)
If the raid has done this before: The raid leader will say okay you know what to do, but just incase if your not the tank get in the corner here (and he would stand at the location) then everyone who can heal (and he would stand at the new location) and everyone who is off tank stand here (stand at the new location), then he would say to the person who is tanking to turn the mob away from the raid when you have aggro.
If they haven't done this before: Same thing as above but he is likely to go into more detail what the boss will do when, and when to jump in to start fighting the thing.
This will rinse repeat until the end of the raid when loot is called out and people loot the mob
All this was done by the way with no voice chat what so ever and have been done multiple times. Now unless WoW throws a lot of random mobs at you where you can't predict what is going to happen the above could easily be done. Most raids in EQ took about 1-2 hours to complete. Set up took the longest because you simply had to get the groups organized, the actual raid usually went off without a hitch.
TL:DR: You can do raids without Voice chat, it just requires more typing, not sure WoW is different that would require Voice chat, seems you can do without it. Not really required.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
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I'm with you 100% on raids in EQ, played on Innoruuk server for a long time before I had to give it up due to time and my wife having our kid, it was harder to set up a raid in eq but eaiser to take down the boss once the fight is mapped out for all the players, with a good tank and good healers you were sorted.
WoW bosses are diffrent in lots of ways, there are things you have to do at certain times, there are random attacks there hit players well at random, you have to be on the ball at all times, (unless you are vastly over powered for that raid), I'm not saying you CANT do a raid with out voice but it is a very very helpful tool to raiding and only aids in the success of a raid if you have instant comms with the rest of the raid, not being able to hear what is going on because you dont have vent or as sadly this is the case that you have become deaf just makes it harder on the rest of the raid, a guild that makes it a requirement to raid with them should not be frowned upon anymore that a guild that say you have to have DBM / healbot / omen or a host of other addons that make raids easier to do.
I understand that he says he knows the fights, well cata just hit does he know the high end raids in there, sure he can read up on them but that doesnt really help if thing are going to hell in a handbasket and the raid leader is doing some fast talking to get the raid to down the boss.
Its not life and death, and yes its just a game, so why is he upset that he got kicked after all its JUST a game, it cause he cares about it and if you care then you give a crap if you feel mistreated, my advice is find another guild, if your a good player another guild will not care if your black / white / deaf or a smurf.
Don't know if anybody has posted this here yet. Forgive me if it has.
Honestly, hes probably just crying cause he was booted for being a bad raider, partialy caused by the fact he cant utilize vent. Kinda mean? yes, can the guild leader do whatever he wants with HIS guild? yes.
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
I tottally agree with everything you've said, the add ons do help a lot, i guess the only reason i take a different stance was the amount of time he was with the guild. Seemed like you had raided with the people before, so i guess i saw it as they could have made a exception due to something extreme like that happening, they could have said well we can run the first couple of raids without you until we get it down pat, then you can run it with us, or whatever
The only reason he got upset was it was kinda like the last straw thing, he was having problems in real life, and like most sought out the community he thought would back him on this and take him with open arms and found out they took the game over him. Thus he lashed out. it was more so the last straw then the game itself. Someone in a normal position would have been like forget you (self censored) i got plenty of guilds, in his case though it was the last place to look for some kind of comfort, which he didn't get.
Hopefully he'll find some people who accept him and move on, we can only hope. We know what happens when tragic events in real life, then no comfort in MMO world leads to. That we certainly don't want to happen
This is again of course assuming that this all actually happened and hes not just making it up.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Don't know if anybody has posted this here yet. Forgive me if it has.
Honestly, hes probably just crying cause he was booted for being a bad raider, partialy caused by the fact he cant utilize vent. Kinda mean? yes, can the guild leader do whatever he wants with HIS guild? yes.
Not biting m8. Anyway my thoughts about this are well documented through this thread.:)
Don't know if anybody has posted this here yet. Forgive me if it has.
Honestly, hes probably just crying cause he was booted for being a bad raider, partialy caused by the fact he cant utilize vent. Kinda mean? yes, can the guild leader do whatever he wants with HIS guild? yes.
Not biting m8. Anyway my thoughts about this are well documented through this thread.:)
You dont have to bite m8, my opinions are my own
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
Don't know if anybody has posted this here yet. Forgive me if it has.
Honestly, hes probably just crying cause he was booted for being a bad raider, partialy caused by the fact he cant utilize vent. Kinda mean? yes, can the guild leader do whatever he wants with HIS guild? yes.
Not biting m8. Anyway my thoughts about this are well documented through this thread.:)
You dont have to bite m8, my opinions are my own
And should be respected as such. My apologies to you sir
PPL bash on the WoW community for this yet fail to note at the end of his quoted post he says he never felt so much compassion and that ppl have made him tons of offers, I wouldnt do this to a person like that sure he could be booted on the same grounds as anyone else if he didnt fit I would still give him a chance regarless and because that guild leader had that attitude doesnt make everyone like that.
There are certain fights that voice chat is mandatory. There is just no time for you to spend that 5 seconds in typing out "valkyries are coming down".
Plus, guilds are like clubs. You don't think everyone should be allowed into every guild, do you?
After reading all these posts, it reminded me of my own experiences when I first started World of Warcraft back in 2004/2005. I joined a guild on Icecrown server (Knights who say Ni). I warned them up front that was hearing-impaired and could not use any sort of voice chat software. Was told not a problem, 2007 after getting 2 toons to max level was invited to go on some guild raids and was told that needed to use VENT. I reminded them of what I said when I first join.
Was totally shocked and stunned with the outright hate from the guild leader and officers, was cursed and then kicked from the guild. What was suprising to me was that none of the normal members did anything to come to my defense... Was so shocked and upset that I deleted all of my toons on Icecrown and cancelled account same day...
Currently playing again, 2009 to present playing both sides, unfortuantly am not in a guild at all. Ran into too many guilds majority of whom were raiding elites who had zero tolerance against other players with disabilities but what was even sadder is that a friend of mine who came back from overseas duty in Irag who was disabled due to a IED found herself kicked from her guild for being disabled and unabled to use VENT. To think that these a-holes would do that to a Military Vet tells how much disrespect they have toward those who are in the US Armed Forces.
It is just not kids who have this hate toward those with disabilites, it is adults as well. Using the excuse it is the kids and teens fault is a poor excuse, it is adults who have this hatred toward those with disabilities and the kids follow the example of the adults.
Took out a 6 month sub to save money, sub runs out in April 2011. Do not think will bother renewing. This time around before cancelling sub will be deleting all of my toons including several 80+ and then uninstalling the game and will most likely never go back to playing World of Warcraft.
Chat in the form of text is slowly moving the way of 2D over head veiw mmorpgs.
Growing up on text based communication in mmorpgs, i cant stand vent.
Ruins the immersion. Has turned raiding and mass pvp into some form of simon says. Nothing sucks more than having to listen to orders, constantly having to adjust individual players volumes, and play drill seargant with the raid leader for several hours.
I understand the advantage of it all, it allows new players to jump into some serious action with as little detrimin as possible to the group. It does help in pvp, it makes controlling a large group easy.
Its just we use to do all of that without instant voice communication. People would type the directions, and you would follow it, other than that you learned by doing it. Although i never rememberd people dropping out of groups the first wipe cursing out whoever they deemed at fault for the wipe. Shit happend and you just dealt with it, it was the name of the game.
I have been kicked out of guilds for my refusal to hang out in vent at all times while online. Only when i have to, and i dislike it even then.
Sad story about the deaf guy, but you have to remember, this isnt a game to some people, as wrong as that sounds.
After reading all these posts, it reminded me of my own experiences when I first started World of Warcraft back in 2004/2005. I joined a guild on Icecrown server (Knights who say Ni). I warned them up front that was hearing-impaired and could not use any sort of voice chat software. Was told not a problem, 2007 after getting 2 toons to max level was invited to go on some guild raids and was told that needed to use VENT. I reminded them of what I said when I first join.
Was totally shocked and stunned with the outright hate from the guild leader and officers, was cursed and then kicked from the guild. What was suprising to me was that none of the normal members did anything to come to my defense... Was so shocked and upset that I deleted all of my toons on Icecrown and cancelled account same day...
Currently playing again, 2009 to present playing both sides, unfortuantly am not in a guild at all. Ran into too many guilds majority of whom were raiding elites who had zero tolerance against other players with disabilities but what was even sadder is that a friend of mine who came back from overseas duty in Irag who was disabled due to a IED found herself kicked from her guild for being disabled and unabled to use VENT. To think that these a-holes would do that to a Military Vet tells how much disrespect they have toward those who are in the US Armed Forces.
It is just not kids who have this hate toward those with disabilites, it is adults as well. Using the excuse it is the kids and teens fault is a poor excuse, it is adults who have this hatred toward those with disabilities and the kids follow the example of the adults.
Took out a 6 month sub to save money, sub runs out in April 2011. Do not think will bother renewing. This time around before cancelling sub will be deleting all of my toons including several 80+ and then uninstalling the game and will most likely never go back to playing World of Warcraft.
Could you give finding a non-voice required guild a try? Advertise it in different zones, as well as capital cities. I think you might find a guild that won't do that.
"Looking for a fun raid guild with no voice requirement." If they ask what this means, tell them it means a guild that doesn't require you to listen or speak.
I have wanted to be in a non voice required guild since forever, but I never tried... Lots of posts in this thread say that there are lots of guilds that raid without voice.
If you can't join our Vent channel and listen to our tits, ass, and ball sack jokes i'm sorry dude.. But you can't join..
There is a policy we have here, it's called "Listen to me boss you around like you are my bitch" while you try to play the game.. And there is a strict rule that if you are new and you mess up, you have to get your ass ripped apart by everyone on the server and ignored..
Of course results may vary, but I have found that guilds that REQUIRE voice chat in MMO's, do so NOT because it is "tactical", but because it saves them the hassle of having to type out any trash that could probably go without being typed anyway..
Forcing some people to type, especially if they are lazy, automatically filters out some of the "bitch-festing" and bullshit that you would normally get through voice chat..
Took out a 6 month sub to save money, sub runs out in April 2011. Do not think will bother renewing. This time around before cancelling sub will be deleting all of my toons including several 80+ and then uninstalling the game and will most likely never go back to playing World of Warcraft.
Don't let the actions of a few ruin the game for you or make you do something you might regret later on. I'm a 1SG in the Army and run a guild on the Thrall server. Some of our members are Soldiers or former Soldiers, but most of our members are adults in the late 20s-40 year old range. We raid three nights a week and group up for dungeon runs on the off nights. We don't mass invite or spam the trade chat with recruiting messages. By recruiting people based off their personality and how they would fit in with our members, rather than by GearScore or achievements, we able to offer a fun raiding atmosphere while getting things done with a less than optimal team.
Part of the problem with most guilds in WoW is that they aren't recruiting people looking for friends. They are recruiting people to use to get them gear faster. They don't care about friendships, they don't care about your disability or hardships you suffer. To them they are just playing a game and do not care one ounce about you or the majority of other in the guild. Now when people join with different expectations, feelings get hurt.
If you want to join a guild and be treated with respect or shown courtesy based off your actions and the way you treat others, don't join one that measures a recruit based off ilvl and acheievements.
I live in the Mountain Timezone area, and unfortantly even though checked every Mountain Timezone Server both PVE and PVE-RP (refused to play on those pvp ganking servers) + both Factions. Have not found a guild or maybe they might be there but are not advertising themselves. I understand not wanting to draw attention with the hate that's been going around.
It would be nice to hook up with a guild that does not require VENT or TEAMSPEAK during raids and dungeons. I currently have two 2 lvl 80+ toons horde side (death knight and hunter) on Perenolde. Not being abled to use VENT or TEAMSPEAK has prevented me from joining groups.
Also there is the gear issue which frankly am sick and tired of dealing with. Trying to get into a group to do a raid or dungeon just to get that gear and being told that cannot be invited due to lack of correct gear.
Deleting my toons would be rather extreme, maybe just will not renew and take another vacation from the game and wait until things cool down. At least there are other MMO's coming out that might be interesting try, Rifts and Star Wars the Old Republic comes to mind.
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Regarding the letter, It's sad to see the kind of support the WoW community lacks (but I can't possibly be bothered to expect anything else from Blizzard's horrible failure of a community), but the Guild was horrible; most Guilds are. It's a chance for him to find either a new Guild, or a new game.
I play alot of FPS where Voice chat is required by every good clan, if you dont use it then just be ready to change you name to lonewolf (yes there are millions on line called that), it used to corrdinate attacks and form counter attacks very quickly when things dont go to a written plan.
Playing WoW I only used voice chat in raid for all the same reasons, things go wrong and you need to be able to communicate quickly and efficantly with the rest of the raid to get the boss down, if you have to type out that you need the healer to change there healing main target or that the tank needs to taunt off the main tank, DPS needs to burn down adds that are getting out of hand, all things that will take alot longer to type when the raid leader is trying to do alot of other stuff at that time too.
I'm all for guilds that say No Vent No Raids, there are guilds out there that will take people with out vent and PuGs are mostly open to anyone, but if you have a guild that wants to get bosses down and do well then Vent is more or less a must these days.
In an FPS i can understand things move around quickly, theres no real guide as most of it is attacking other players thus things can change quickly.
In games like WoW however usually the raid your up against is fixed, if you've run it before you know where the mobs are. How to pull to keep adds from showing up. How to turn mobs so they don't harm the entire group. What the mob will do when.
I'm not sure how it works in WoW but if it's anything like EQ, then usually the raid leader tells people what is going to happen, what is called (loot wise) and what are the major things to watch out for. Then you have the back up leads that can call out adds if they see them (these usually were the ones who had the track ability). Then you had the group leaders who would report to the back up leads if anything happened, like a group member died and needed a rez or if a person had to go afk for some RL reason.
Most of the time the raid leader was responsible for making sure the raid was going in the right direction and that the groups were organized correctly (each group had at least a healer of some sort and a tankish character). The back ups would take care of the normal raid stuff like aggro management and making sure the groups were together and all there. The group leaders were responsible for making sure the group knew what to do in the current situation and reporting anything to the back ups. The group themselves had to know from the group leader what to do and stand where they were suppose to.
Most raids started as such you were invited to a group depending on your abilities (stats/level/class) to a group. The raid leader would then say this raid is to take down X. We need to make sure we take down A, then B, then C, then D, also make sure that all your groups have some kind of enchanter in your group as A and D like to mez people and only the enchanter can really undo this. Then the back up would take over and make sure everyone had everything they needed and then call to make sure the groups were all ready
Then each group leader (the first one in the list) would type ready and the raid would be off.
If anything poped up that the group couldn't handle they would say ADD and an enchanter would mez it so it would stand still for a while.
As you neared the boss they would say okay we are at Boss A: (two things can occur here)
If the raid has done this before: The raid leader will say okay you know what to do, but just incase if your not the tank get in the corner here (and he would stand at the location) then everyone who can heal (and he would stand at the new location) and everyone who is off tank stand here (stand at the new location), then he would say to the person who is tanking to turn the mob away from the raid when you have aggro.
If they haven't done this before: Same thing as above but he is likely to go into more detail what the boss will do when, and when to jump in to start fighting the thing.
This will rinse repeat until the end of the raid when loot is called out and people loot the mob
All this was done by the way with no voice chat what so ever and have been done multiple times. Now unless WoW throws a lot of random mobs at you where you can't predict what is going to happen the above could easily be done. Most raids in EQ took about 1-2 hours to complete. Set up took the longest because you simply had to get the groups organized, the actual raid usually went off without a hitch.
TL:DR: You can do raids without Voice chat, it just requires more typing, not sure WoW is different that would require Voice chat, seems you can do without it. Not really required.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I'm with you 100% on raids in EQ, played on Innoruuk server for a long time before I had to give it up due to time and my wife having our kid, it was harder to set up a raid in eq but eaiser to take down the boss once the fight is mapped out for all the players, with a good tank and good healers you were sorted.
WoW bosses are diffrent in lots of ways, there are things you have to do at certain times, there are random attacks there hit players well at random, you have to be on the ball at all times, (unless you are vastly over powered for that raid), I'm not saying you CANT do a raid with out voice but it is a very very helpful tool to raiding and only aids in the success of a raid if you have instant comms with the rest of the raid, not being able to hear what is going on because you dont have vent or as sadly this is the case that you have become deaf just makes it harder on the rest of the raid, a guild that makes it a requirement to raid with them should not be frowned upon anymore that a guild that say you have to have DBM / healbot / omen or a host of other addons that make raids easier to do.
I understand that he says he knows the fights, well cata just hit does he know the high end raids in there, sure he can read up on them but that doesnt really help if thing are going to hell in a handbasket and the raid leader is doing some fast talking to get the raid to down the boss.
Its not life and death, and yes its just a game, so why is he upset that he got kicked after all its JUST a game, it cause he cares about it and if you care then you give a crap if you feel mistreated, my advice is find another guild, if your a good player another guild will not care if your black / white / deaf or a smurf.
Honestly, hes probably just crying cause he was booted for being a bad raider, partialy caused by the fact he cant utilize vent. Kinda mean? yes, can the guild leader do whatever he wants with HIS guild? yes.
I tottally agree with everything you've said, the add ons do help a lot, i guess the only reason i take a different stance was the amount of time he was with the guild. Seemed like you had raided with the people before, so i guess i saw it as they could have made a exception due to something extreme like that happening, they could have said well we can run the first couple of raids without you until we get it down pat, then you can run it with us, or whatever
The only reason he got upset was it was kinda like the last straw thing, he was having problems in real life, and like most sought out the community he thought would back him on this and take him with open arms and found out they took the game over him. Thus he lashed out. it was more so the last straw then the game itself. Someone in a normal position would have been like forget you (self censored) i got plenty of guilds, in his case though it was the last place to look for some kind of comfort, which he didn't get.
Hopefully he'll find some people who accept him and move on, we can only hope. We know what happens when tragic events in real life, then no comfort in MMO world leads to. That we certainly don't want to happen
This is again of course assuming that this all actually happened and hes not just making it up.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Not biting m8. Anyway my thoughts about this are well documented through this thread.:)
You dont have to bite m8, my opinions are my own
And should be respected as such. My apologies to you sir
PPL bash on the WoW community for this yet fail to note at the end of his quoted post he says he never felt so much compassion and that ppl have made him tons of offers, I wouldnt do this to a person like that sure he could be booted on the same grounds as anyone else if he didnt fit I would still give him a chance regarless and because that guild leader had that attitude doesnt make everyone like that.
There are certain fights that voice chat is mandatory. There is just no time for you to spend that 5 seconds in typing out "valkyries are coming down".
Plus, guilds are like clubs. You don't think everyone should be allowed into every guild, do you?
At least the dude isn't blind. Then you all would really get on the guild ass that booted him.
After reading all these posts, it reminded me of my own experiences when I first started World of Warcraft back in 2004/2005. I joined a guild on Icecrown server (Knights who say Ni). I warned them up front that was hearing-impaired and could not use any sort of voice chat software. Was told not a problem, 2007 after getting 2 toons to max level was invited to go on some guild raids and was told that needed to use VENT. I reminded them of what I said when I first join.
Was totally shocked and stunned with the outright hate from the guild leader and officers, was cursed and then kicked from the guild. What was suprising to me was that none of the normal members did anything to come to my defense... Was so shocked and upset that I deleted all of my toons on Icecrown and cancelled account same day...
Currently playing again, 2009 to present playing both sides, unfortuantly am not in a guild at all. Ran into too many guilds majority of whom were raiding elites who had zero tolerance against other players with disabilities but what was even sadder is that a friend of mine who came back from overseas duty in Irag who was disabled due to a IED found herself kicked from her guild for being disabled and unabled to use VENT. To think that these a-holes would do that to a Military Vet tells how much disrespect they have toward those who are in the US Armed Forces.
It is just not kids who have this hate toward those with disabilites, it is adults as well. Using the excuse it is the kids and teens fault is a poor excuse, it is adults who have this hatred toward those with disabilities and the kids follow the example of the adults.
Took out a 6 month sub to save money, sub runs out in April 2011. Do not think will bother renewing. This time around before cancelling sub will be deleting all of my toons including several 80+ and then uninstalling the game and will most likely never go back to playing World of Warcraft.
Its all about vent/voice chat now.
Chat in the form of text is slowly moving the way of 2D over head veiw mmorpgs.
Growing up on text based communication in mmorpgs, i cant stand vent.
Ruins the immersion. Has turned raiding and mass pvp into some form of simon says. Nothing sucks more than having to listen to orders, constantly having to adjust individual players volumes, and play drill seargant with the raid leader for several hours.
I understand the advantage of it all, it allows new players to jump into some serious action with as little detrimin as possible to the group. It does help in pvp, it makes controlling a large group easy.
Its just we use to do all of that without instant voice communication. People would type the directions, and you would follow it, other than that you learned by doing it. Although i never rememberd people dropping out of groups the first wipe cursing out whoever they deemed at fault for the wipe. Shit happend and you just dealt with it, it was the name of the game.
I have been kicked out of guilds for my refusal to hang out in vent at all times while online. Only when i have to, and i dislike it even then.
Sad story about the deaf guy, but you have to remember, this isnt a game to some people, as wrong as that sounds.
Could you give finding a non-voice required guild a try? Advertise it in different zones, as well as capital cities. I think you might find a guild that won't do that.
"Looking for a fun raid guild with no voice requirement." If they ask what this means, tell them it means a guild that doesn't require you to listen or speak.
I have wanted to be in a non voice required guild since forever, but I never tried... Lots of posts in this thread say that there are lots of guilds that raid without voice.
If you can't join our Vent channel and listen to our tits, ass, and ball sack jokes i'm sorry dude.. But you can't join..
There is a policy we have here, it's called "Listen to me boss you around like you are my bitch" while you try to play the game.. And there is a strict rule that if you are new and you mess up, you have to get your ass ripped apart by everyone on the server and ignored..
Of course results may vary, but I have found that guilds that REQUIRE voice chat in MMO's, do so NOT because it is "tactical", but because it saves them the hassle of having to type out any trash that could probably go without being typed anyway..
Forcing some people to type, especially if they are lazy, automatically filters out some of the "bitch-festing" and bullshit that you would normally get through voice chat..
Don't let the actions of a few ruin the game for you or make you do something you might regret later on. I'm a 1SG in the Army and run a guild on the Thrall server. Some of our members are Soldiers or former Soldiers, but most of our members are adults in the late 20s-40 year old range. We raid three nights a week and group up for dungeon runs on the off nights. We don't mass invite or spam the trade chat with recruiting messages. By recruiting people based off their personality and how they would fit in with our members, rather than by GearScore or achievements, we able to offer a fun raiding atmosphere while getting things done with a less than optimal team.
Part of the problem with most guilds in WoW is that they aren't recruiting people looking for friends. They are recruiting people to use to get them gear faster. They don't care about friendships, they don't care about your disability or hardships you suffer. To them they are just playing a game and do not care one ounce about you or the majority of other in the guild. Now when people join with different expectations, feelings get hurt.
If you want to join a guild and be treated with respect or shown courtesy based off your actions and the way you treat others, don't join one that measures a recruit based off ilvl and acheievements.
I live in the Mountain Timezone area, and unfortantly even though checked every Mountain Timezone Server both PVE and PVE-RP (refused to play on those pvp ganking servers) + both Factions. Have not found a guild or maybe they might be there but are not advertising themselves. I understand not wanting to draw attention with the hate that's been going around.
It would be nice to hook up with a guild that does not require VENT or TEAMSPEAK during raids and dungeons. I currently have two 2 lvl 80+ toons horde side (death knight and hunter) on Perenolde. Not being abled to use VENT or TEAMSPEAK has prevented me from joining groups.
Also there is the gear issue which frankly am sick and tired of dealing with. Trying to get into a group to do a raid or dungeon just to get that gear and being told that cannot be invited due to lack of correct gear.
Deleting my toons would be rather extreme, maybe just will not renew and take another vacation from the game and wait until things cool down. At least there are other MMO's coming out that might be interesting try, Rifts and Star Wars the Old Republic comes to mind.