I don't understand the immersion problem at all. At any given time, you're carrying/wearing 2 or more sets of armor (PvP, PvE with different resists/bonuses), huge amounts of harvestables, various crap looted from NPCs, etc. All of which probably weighs a couple hundred pounds. But adding a mount to all that is just going too far?
No, that is also going to far. But were only talking about mounts here.
I can't remember where I saw it, but it has already beensaid some sort of fast travel on the planets will be happening. They just haven't said what they will be exactly. Personally as far as mounts go, that could really be a deal breaker for game immersion though if it is included. I mean, hit a "power icon" and your mount appears. Well where the heck was it? Hiding in my pocket? There goes game immersion down the drain.
Granted, if they find a way to do it more properly than that I certainly would not complain about, but until then, not a big loss if we don't have actual mounts, but only certain modes of fast travel from various "hubs" on each planet.
Trust me, there comes a point on any game where you get sick of running on foot from point A to point B, especially if the world is large. Whether it's a train, plane, automobile, taun taun, speeder, or shuttle eventually you will want a quick route to where you're going.
Players are lazy. Once they've played through the content and seen everything to see in an area they will moan and moan about having to run through it again on the way to somewhere else. Nothing short of a player-controlled mount would appease them as alternative fast travel options are always limited to pre-determined destinations. Personally I would love to see an MMO without your typical mounts (something like FFXI would be good) but I don't see it being a viable design choice for a mainstream MMO in the post-WoW era.
It's not about being lazy. Some of us have lives outside of MMOs and have a limited amount of time to play. I appreciate scenery, but virtual miles and miles of nothing but virtual miles and miles eats into the 1 to 3 hours per week (or less) that I have to get things done and enjoy playing the game.
Mounts in TOR probably be in just like any other mmo, unless there is a new mechanic for it besides taxi, warp, travel there first then able to instant travel, etc. (can you carry the mounts inside your cargo hold of your ship?)
I doubt we will see animals mounts not sure why but most people prefer speeders and in KOTOR I you even see stealth speeders which mandalorians used to ambush people with, hopefully not just cutscenes of speederbikes (enemy and yours) I prefer driving myself I think mounts depend if we can explore vast areas int he planets in TOR if not there is no use for them.
Your looking in the wrong places then, proof is out there
Care to post a link? I challenge you to do so. I say there is NO confirmation. Unless you can prove otherwise....there isn't.
Care to google?I challenge you to do so.
Did exactly that. Nope, no OFFICIAL word on mounts. Nothing. Here's a suggestion, go to site I list below and see if you can find something OFFICIAL on mounts.
There was this game Sony put out it was Anarchy Online but with Star Wars Skins. The game had nothing to do with Star Wars except for the skins. Ayhow they called this game Star Wars Galaxies...Some of you may remember it. It didnt bring up any news stories oddly about being sued for using the Star Wars name which is copyrighted. My point is they had mounts Like speeder bikes (TM) ect. If that fake ass game had mounts.. then SW TOR should.
Your looking in the wrong places then, proof is out there
Care to post a link? I challenge you to do so. I say there is NO confirmation. Unless you can prove otherwise....there isn't.
Care to google?I challenge you to do so.
Did exactly that. Nope, no OFFICIAL word on mounts. Nothing. Here's a suggestion, go to site I list below and see if you can find something OFFICIAL on mounts.
Your looking in the wrong places then, proof is out there
Care to post a link? I challenge you to do so. I say there is NO confirmation. Unless you can prove otherwise....there isn't.
Care to google?I challenge you to do so.
Did exactly that. Nope, no OFFICIAL word on mounts. Nothing. Here's a suggestion, go to site I list below and see if you can find something OFFICIAL on mounts.
Silkkz is correct. There are player controlled mounts currently in the game.
Again can we have a link? Sorry, internet and all that, anyone can just say yeah they are in game, and yeah that person is right. A link would be great, i mean if it's there, there should be some kind of source. That would be something that needs to go in the feature list post. It's not that i don't believe you guys, but i just haven't seen it.
Unless of course it's a beta testing thing, in which case, you really shouldn't be confirming things like that. NDA and all.
However i'll take it on the bases theres a site out there that proves it. Google came up nothing, other then a link to the swtor discussion on mounts being in game (which was never confirmed (stopped at about 1.1.2011 and a link to this discussion.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I lost my mount more than once when they were static. Call me any name you want, but it's like looking for your car after a Black Friday at Wal-Mart.
Immersion being the operative word, there is no way my mind will Epic Fail because I was able to materialize a mount out of thin air...You see, my next generation thinking allows me to understand that while I have been exposed to ultimate levels of lore and technology consistant with a particular era, none of us have seen every gadget and doo-dad in existence. This goes for the real world, as well. So why is it easy for me to believe there is a 'Force' but not believe that a tangible item cannot materialize to my location when I summon it?
On the real planet, people believe that UFO's are piloted by Aliens. This is our own real lore. Do you not think that if it were all true, that they'd not have a method of mind control? Some people think it's possible and it ais not at all that unconceivable. In the same breath, do you think that mind control is the one and only thing that they might have?
In a world where magic is basis of all things, why couldn't I summon a horse to materialize from my pocket? Did I ever feed, groom and care for it -like real life? No. I don't and didn't... those are mundane acts that are real but detract from my immersion.
After all, the game isn't about mounts. It's about something far advanced and that is intended to have meaning and keeps the mind in a cloud, in it's inclusion, we care for the things that present a challenge rather than worrying over if there is soap in the bathroom to wash our hands...
How many times have you relieved your body of waste in an MMORPG?
Mounts represent the same amount of problems that it takes to render water in games. The only thing that developers have 'next gen'ed" IMO is the presentation of water and the ability of players to move at seemingly light speeds, with or without mounts (e.g. CoH).
There is a good reason why mounts are not obtainable at birth. Players need time to develop relationships. During this bonding period, a mount could very well take you far and beyond the main populous. The crux of MMORPG is to bring together people to allow them a place and opportunity to interact with each other... I used to call these games "Visual Chat Lines".
A mount is like a car on the freeway. How many times have we seen a really nice car (mount) and wanted to show our appreciation of it by letting the driver know how it affected us personally? The first Lamborghini that passed me on the AutoBahn was exciting! Cell phones were not even invented when it happened, which would have been the only way to contact that person on a personal level... I flashed my lights and tooted my horn (lol). I got a ticket for driving to slow (130 mph).
Mounts, like water, should be carefully decided. Not everyone is driving a Lamborghini (high speed internet with a 4ghz engine)... therefore there will be a lot of 'Beaters' which barely give you more speed than running fast. I can live with static or dynamic mounts. Keeping in mind that at some point, running 15 minutes in real time is boring, I'd rather evolve into mounted travel than to have it accesible one hour into play.
The question isn't, 'SHould we have mounts?' it's more of, 'When do allow mounts into the game at a credible point where it is looked upon as an accolade rather than necessity?"
Your looking in the wrong places then, proof is out there
Care to post a link? I challenge you to do so. I say there is NO confirmation. Unless you can prove otherwise....there isn't.
I don't think anyone is going to get banned to prove something you can find out for yourself if you look for it. Player owned/controlled vehicles are in game.
Your looking in the wrong places then, proof is out there
Care to post a link? I challenge you to do so. I say there is NO confirmation. Unless you can prove otherwise....there isn't.
Care to google?I challenge you to do so.
Did exactly that. Nope, no OFFICIAL word on mounts. Nothing. Here's a suggestion, go to site I list below and see if you can find something OFFICIAL on mounts.
ANother thing. Bioware needs not take anything from wow as they're a great company in their own right. They actually have better ideas than blizzard if you look at what they're trying to accomplish.
There is nothing like an Aratech 74-Z speeder bike :l
Perhaps it's a generation thing, but I find hard to "iconize" Old Republic stuff like I did with the Star Wars saga stuff (Skywalker family, Tie Fighter, X-Wing, At-At, Stormtroppers, etc.)
But I don't think planets in TOR will feature any kind of "empty" space to justify the needs of such a vehicle. Every step you make, there will be a quest or anything. Pitty new developers and audience that doesen't understand the value of any slight degree of realism in a virtual world.
i believe they have already stated that the worlds are gonna be HUGE, as in plenty of areas to explore, so i think there will be empty space (well not just empty) to go and explore about etc.
Your looking in the wrong places then, proof is out there
Care to post a link? I challenge you to do so. I say there is NO confirmation. Unless you can prove otherwise....there isn't.
I don't think anyone is going to get banned to prove something you can find out for yourself if you look for it. Player owned/controlled vehicles are in game.
You don't have to prove anything, but we can't prove their isn't. Maybe google is failing us. It could be the case, but if it's so easy to find. Then it should be easy for you to repeat these so called easy steps and give us a link. You know seeing as it's so easy to find. We must be doing something wrong. Why not correct us?
We can't prove theres an absent of knowledge on controllable vehicles, but we aren't saying there are any. We are saying we haven't heard of any. Obviously you have. So if you want to continue the discussion into more he said she said, then i think a link is needed. Otherwise I'm staying with we haven't heard of player controlled/owned vehicles, and until i see a link beyond, just google it, which on 13 seperate occasions have come up with just conjecture. (like what we are doing here.) then i call your bluff.
You can decide to either not show the link and just say google it, in which case i call your hand and say your bluffing. Or you show the link, then we can discuss it properly.
Right now i say there aren't. Heres my proof backing up theres indeed vehicles but they are all transport vehicles
Speeder bike transport system confirmed and used by Member of Tor-Aid during a hands on (not personal mounts) - Torocast
The taxi system was similar to World of Warcraft's gryphons. You pay a small fee and are transported from Station A to Station B. - Darth Hater
One of the ways to cover large distances in Cities is by using a Taxi - Fan Friday 23rd April
Quick Travel, similar to other MMOs return to home abilities, replaced Call Shuttle; the casting time remains 10s and the cooldown is still 30m - Darth Hater
It seems you need to perform certain tasks before you can leave the starter world. When trying to access one early on the Darth Hater team kept getting "The Shuttle is not currently in service" - Darth Hater
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I can't remember where I saw it, but it has already beensaid some sort of fast travel on the planets will be happening. They just haven't said what they will be exactly. Personally as far as mounts go, that could really be a deal breaker for game immersion though if it is included. I mean, hit a "power icon" and your mount appears. Well where the heck was it? Hiding in my pocket? There goes game immersion down the drain.
Granted, if they find a way to do it more properly than that I certainly would not complain about, but until then, not a big loss if we don't have actual mounts, but only certain modes of fast travel from various "hubs" on each planet.
I liked the system in Fallen Earth where it made you take mounts to a garage (garages included an actual garage for vehicles and improvised stables for horses) they even went so far as locking vehicles to the garage you left them at so you couldnt just roll up to a garage elsewhere and magically retrieve them. You could however pay to have a vehicle or mount parked/stabled elsewhere to be "towed" to the new location. Towing was instant which was a bit dissapointing IMHO as it would have been nice to have a timer system like they had for crafting.
When you were out and about exploring you could park a mount anywhere (leaving it near enemies would result in it being damaged or disabled) and from memory animal mounts could actually be whistled to if they weren't to far away and then they would come to you.
Your looking in the wrong places then, proof is out there
Care to post a link? I challenge you to do so. I say there is NO confirmation. Unless you can prove otherwise....there isn't.
I don't think anyone is going to get banned to prove something you can find out for yourself if you look for it. Player owned/controlled vehicles are in game.
You don't have to prove anything, but we can't prove their isn't. Maybe google is failing us. It could be the case, but if it's so easy to find. Then it should be easy for you to repeat these so called easy steps and give us a link. You know seeing as it's so easy to find. We must be doing something wrong. Why not correct us?
We can't prove theres an absent of knowledge on controllable vehicles, but we aren't saying there are any. We are saying we haven't heard of any. Obviously you have. So if you want to continue the discussion into more he said she said, then i think a link is needed. Otherwise I'm staying with we haven't heard of player controlled/owned vehicles, and until i see a link beyond, just google it, which on 13 seperate occasions have come up with just conjecture. (like what we are doing here.) then i call your bluff.
You can decide to either not show the link and just say google it, in which case i call your hand and say your bluffing. Or you show the link, then we can discuss it properly.
Right now i say there aren't. Heres my proof backing up theres indeed vehicles but they are all transport vehicles
Speeder bike transport system confirmed and used by Member of Tor-Aid during a hands on (not personal mounts) - Torocast
The taxi system was similar to World of Warcraft's gryphons. You pay a small fee and are transported from Station A to Station B. - Darth Hater
One of the ways to cover large distances in Cities is by using a Taxi - Fan Friday 23rd April
Quick Travel, similar to other MMOs return to home abilities, replaced Call Shuttle; the casting time remains 10s and the cooldown is still 30m - Darth Hater
It seems you need to perform certain tasks before you can leave the starter world. When trying to access one early on the Darth Hater team kept getting "The Shuttle is not currently in service" - Darth Hater
I can't remember where I saw it, but it has already beensaid some sort of fast travel on the planets will be happening. They just haven't said what they will be exactly. Personally as far as mounts go, that could really be a deal breaker for game immersion though if it is included. I mean, hit a "power icon" and your mount appears. Well where the heck was it? Hiding in my pocket? There goes game immersion down the drain.
Granted, if they find a way to do it more properly than that I certainly would not complain about, but until then, not a big loss if we don't have actual mounts, but only certain modes of fast travel from various "hubs" on each planet.
I liked the system in Fallen Earth where it made you take mounts to a garage (garages included an actual garage for vehicles and improvised stables for horses) they even went so far as locking vehicles to the garage you left them at so you couldnt just roll up to a garage elsewhere and magically retrieve them. You could however pay to have a vehicle or mount parked/stabled elsewhere to be "towed" to the new location. Towing was instant which was a bit dissapointing IMHO as it would have been nice to have a timer system like they had for crafting.
When you were out and about exploring you could park a mount anywhere (leaving it near enemies would result in it being damaged or disabled) and from memory animal mounts could actually be whistled to if they weren't to far away and then they would come to you.
A system like that I could really get into. The realism of that type of feature is a major wow factor for me and makes me feel like I am actually IN the game instead of just riding on someone's back. Here is hoping for a similar system for SWTOR.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
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I reeeeealy hope to see some mounts in swtor! :-o
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No, that is also going to far. But were only talking about mounts here.
Trust me, there comes a point on any game where you get sick of running on foot from point A to point B, especially if the world is large. Whether it's a train, plane, automobile, taun taun, speeder, or shuttle eventually you will want a quick route to where you're going.
It's not about being lazy. Some of us have lives outside of MMOs and have a limited amount of time to play. I appreciate scenery, but virtual miles and miles of nothing but virtual miles and miles eats into the 1 to 3 hours per week (or less) that I have to get things done and enjoy playing the game.
Speaking of mounts, would not mind driving one of those Imperial Walkers. Oh wait, imperial walkers are from SWG. lol
Care to google?I challenge you to do so.
Mounts in TOR probably be in just like any other mmo, unless there is a new mechanic for it besides taxi, warp, travel there first then able to instant travel, etc. (can you carry the mounts inside your cargo hold of your ship?)
I doubt we will see animals mounts not sure why but most people prefer speeders and in KOTOR I you even see stealth speeders which mandalorians used to ambush people with, hopefully not just cutscenes of speederbikes (enemy and yours) I prefer driving myself I think mounts depend if we can explore vast areas int he planets in TOR if not there is no use for them.
Did exactly that. Nope, no OFFICIAL word on mounts. Nothing. Here's a suggestion, go to site I list below and see if you can find something OFFICIAL on mounts.
http://www.swtor.com/
What? Can't find anything? Thought so!
Let's party like it is 1863!
There was this game Sony put out it was Anarchy Online but with Star Wars Skins. The game had nothing to do with Star Wars except for the skins. Ayhow they called this game Star Wars Galaxies...Some of you may remember it. It didnt bring up any news stories oddly about being sued for using the Star Wars name which is copyrighted. My point is they had mounts Like speeder bikes (TM) ect. If that fake ass game had mounts.. then SW TOR should.
Silkkz is correct. There are player controlled mounts currently in the game.
Again can we have a link? Sorry, internet and all that, anyone can just say yeah they are in game, and yeah that person is right. A link would be great, i mean if it's there, there should be some kind of source. That would be something that needs to go in the feature list post. It's not that i don't believe you guys, but i just haven't seen it.
Unless of course it's a beta testing thing, in which case, you really shouldn't be confirming things like that. NDA and all.
However i'll take it on the bases theres a site out there that proves it. Google came up nothing, other then a link to the swtor discussion on mounts being in game (which was never confirmed (stopped at about 1.1.2011 and a link to this discussion.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
"Dude, where's my car"...
I lost my mount more than once when they were static. Call me any name you want, but it's like looking for your car after a Black Friday at Wal-Mart.
Immersion being the operative word, there is no way my mind will Epic Fail because I was able to materialize a mount out of thin air...You see, my next generation thinking allows me to understand that while I have been exposed to ultimate levels of lore and technology consistant with a particular era, none of us have seen every gadget and doo-dad in existence. This goes for the real world, as well. So why is it easy for me to believe there is a 'Force' but not believe that a tangible item cannot materialize to my location when I summon it?
On the real planet, people believe that UFO's are piloted by Aliens. This is our own real lore. Do you not think that if it were all true, that they'd not have a method of mind control? Some people think it's possible and it ais not at all that unconceivable. In the same breath, do you think that mind control is the one and only thing that they might have?
In a world where magic is basis of all things, why couldn't I summon a horse to materialize from my pocket? Did I ever feed, groom and care for it -like real life? No. I don't and didn't... those are mundane acts that are real but detract from my immersion.
After all, the game isn't about mounts. It's about something far advanced and that is intended to have meaning and keeps the mind in a cloud, in it's inclusion, we care for the things that present a challenge rather than worrying over if there is soap in the bathroom to wash our hands...
How many times have you relieved your body of waste in an MMORPG?
Mounts represent the same amount of problems that it takes to render water in games. The only thing that developers have 'next gen'ed" IMO is the presentation of water and the ability of players to move at seemingly light speeds, with or without mounts (e.g. CoH).
There is a good reason why mounts are not obtainable at birth. Players need time to develop relationships. During this bonding period, a mount could very well take you far and beyond the main populous. The crux of MMORPG is to bring together people to allow them a place and opportunity to interact with each other... I used to call these games "Visual Chat Lines".
A mount is like a car on the freeway. How many times have we seen a really nice car (mount) and wanted to show our appreciation of it by letting the driver know how it affected us personally? The first Lamborghini that passed me on the AutoBahn was exciting! Cell phones were not even invented when it happened, which would have been the only way to contact that person on a personal level... I flashed my lights and tooted my horn (lol). I got a ticket for driving to slow (130 mph).
Mounts, like water, should be carefully decided. Not everyone is driving a Lamborghini (high speed internet with a 4ghz engine)... therefore there will be a lot of 'Beaters' which barely give you more speed than running fast. I can live with static or dynamic mounts. Keeping in mind that at some point, running 15 minutes in real time is boring, I'd rather evolve into mounted travel than to have it accesible one hour into play.
The question isn't, 'SHould we have mounts?' it's more of, 'When do allow mounts into the game at a credible point where it is looked upon as an accolade rather than necessity?"
I don't think anyone is going to get banned to prove something you can find out for yourself if you look for it. Player owned/controlled vehicles are in game.
Whatever
To the blogger: You can always walk. Having mounts doesn't take away anything from any game. Notthing! As I mentioned, you can always walk.
ANother thing. Bioware needs not take anything from wow as they're a great company in their own right. They actually have better ideas than blizzard if you look at what they're trying to accomplish.
To me they are important, yes.
Godspeed my fellow gamer
i believe they have already stated that the worlds are gonna be HUGE, as in plenty of areas to explore, so i think there will be empty space (well not just empty) to go and explore about etc.
You don't have to prove anything, but we can't prove their isn't. Maybe google is failing us. It could be the case, but if it's so easy to find. Then it should be easy for you to repeat these so called easy steps and give us a link. You know seeing as it's so easy to find. We must be doing something wrong. Why not correct us?
We can't prove theres an absent of knowledge on controllable vehicles, but we aren't saying there are any. We are saying we haven't heard of any. Obviously you have. So if you want to continue the discussion into more he said she said, then i think a link is needed. Otherwise I'm staying with we haven't heard of player controlled/owned vehicles, and until i see a link beyond, just google it, which on 13 seperate occasions have come up with just conjecture. (like what we are doing here.) then i call your bluff.
You can decide to either not show the link and just say google it, in which case i call your hand and say your bluffing. Or you show the link, then we can discuss it properly.
Right now i say there aren't. Heres my proof backing up theres indeed vehicles but they are all transport vehicles
Heres the link for the below: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=188836#anchor9
I typed in Player controlled vehicles in swtor and google came up with this
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=Player+controlled+vehicles+in+swtor&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=9a6a61114e7dc301
Speeder bike transport system confirmed and used by Member of Tor-Aid during a hands on (not personal mounts) - Torocast
The taxi system was similar to World of Warcraft's gryphons. You pay a small fee and are transported from Station A to Station B. - Darth Hater
One of the ways to cover large distances in Cities is by using a Taxi - Fan Friday 23rd April
Quick Travel, similar to other MMOs return to home abilities, replaced Call Shuttle; the casting time remains 10s and the cooldown is still 30m - Darth Hater
It seems you need to perform certain tasks before you can leave the starter world. When trying to access one early on the Darth Hater team kept getting "The Shuttle is not currently in service" - Darth HaterHelp me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I liked the system in Fallen Earth where it made you take mounts to a garage (garages included an actual garage for vehicles and improvised stables for horses) they even went so far as locking vehicles to the garage you left them at so you couldnt just roll up to a garage elsewhere and magically retrieve them. You could however pay to have a vehicle or mount parked/stabled elsewhere to be "towed" to the new location. Towing was instant which was a bit dissapointing IMHO as it would have been nice to have a timer system like they had for crafting.
When you were out and about exploring you could park a mount anywhere (leaving it near enemies would result in it being damaged or disabled) and from memory animal mounts could actually be whistled to if they weren't to far away and then they would come to you.
The taxi system was similar to World of Warcraft's gryphons. You pay a small fee and are transported from Station A to Station B. - Darth Hater
One of the ways to cover large distances in Cities is by using a Taxi - Fan Friday 23rd April
Quick Travel, similar to other MMOs return to home abilities, replaced Call Shuttle; the casting time remains 10s and the cooldown is still 30m - Darth Hater
It seems you need to perform certain tasks before you can leave the starter world. When trying to access one early on the Darth Hater team kept getting "The Shuttle is not currently in service" - Darth Hatergoogle "swtor new screenshot from the beta"
see where that gets you, infidel. hehe
A system like that I could really get into. The realism of that type of feature is a major wow factor for me and makes me feel like I am actually IN the game instead of just riding on someone's back. Here is hoping for a similar system for SWTOR.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"