I think a lot of the posts in response to the OP are a little misconstrued. Its not a question of "Do you like the game for the 200 dollar lifetime subscription?" or "Do you not like the game because there is a subscription."
Its, whether you like the game or not. A lot of what we're hearing is "Yes the games fun, but its not worth ..."
Which sounds like "I like the game but I'm not willing to pay ..."
Of COURSE if the game had no monthly fee people would like it MORE. People would love cars more if they never had to pay for gas and repairs too. Its like saying I don't like a ferrari because the costs are too high. Of course I like the car, it just wouldn't be worth the money to buy it (if.. y'know, I had the money to buy it).
So while a lot of people want to put stipulations on what it takes for them to like it cost wise, that doesn't change the fact that they either played it and enjoyed the time (with stipulations .. or without) or didn't like the time they spent.
I see what you're getting at. But I don't think you CAN consider it without considering the cost. Particularly since it will KEEP costing you, month to month. The fact that it offers you a GW1 co-op type experience, but expects you to pay monthly for it, I think IS relevant to whether you like it or not. Value matters.
I see what you're getting at. But I don't think you CAN consider it without considering the cost. Particularly since it will KEEP costing you, month to month. The fact that it offers you a GW1 co-op type experience, but expects you to pay monthly for it, I think IS relevant to whether you like it or not. Value matters.
I suppose, but walk up to any GuildWars2 fanboy on the site right now (yes, walk up to them on the forums. DO IT..) thats played the first Guild Wars and ask them if they would have paid for GW1 monthly. I've seen it on this site many times where people say they would have.
Considering costs is relative when you are looking to buy it, whereas the ability to like or dislike something can transcend costs. It just puts a modifier on it. You like it, but you don't 50 dollars plus 15 a month like it. Thats understandable, but that doesn't mean you hate it.
Looking down the road, nobody knows what to expect in the long run, they could never do the monthly updates, or on this next monthly update they could blow us away with a new power set, new raids, and alerts, and send the subscribers popsicles. I don't know what to expect, and I don't know if the cost of 15 dollars a month will be viable if the game fails to live up to its promises or my very low expectations. (its SOE, what? You think I'd have high expectations?)
I do like the game though, and I liked it enough to buy it. Doesn't mean everyone who liked it, liked it enough to buy it, but that doesn't mean that they have to say they didn't like what they played.
I clicked "No" althought I don't hate the game, console style playing is not what I care for, especially in a PC game. Until they fixed the problem, the constant camera 'drift' would give me a migraine. Move your character, then ever so slowly the camera would drift around behind your character, along with the moving elements in the tutorial ships floor.... yeah, my play time was limited to about an hour a night during Beta. Not so bad when they inally fixed it.
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I shouldn't have to by a PS3 controller to play my PC game.
I like the black vs white of the poll. If I'm going to spend 50$ on anything Sony has made (Vanguard, SWG destroyed), then I want to see a lot of happy folks.
Didn't really follow the game that much, so it surprised me and I ended up really liking it. Except the terrible community.
Warning for those who fear more than a few words affecting their pre-frontal cortex: A quick rant on community!
Sadly, before 2004 (let's start in 1998 or so) you could find some really good communities in Ultima Online, Everquest, Asheron's Call, Dark Age of Camelot. A few arse hats still existed, certainly. But immature crap was a minority event, now, to find a guild of focused adults who loved the genre of their particular mmorpg, and actually work as a team on a nightly basis is slim to rare to dare I say after the last 2 years in Warhammer and 6 in WoW and...(insert title here)...it just might not exist.
Come 2004 and the advent of the immediate gratification mmorpg that is a theme park based mmo with cartoon movie cuts and even worse character animations, and a huge influx of younger and especially immature (younger does not always denote immaturity) players from the rpg Wacraft series and FPS games joined the fray.
MMORPGs were initially built to appease the old school sit around a friend's table on a Wednesday night and play dungeons and dragons crowd. It was mostly a well read, intellectually astute crowd. Blizzard Entertainment, however, taught the mmorpg world that there was a mass market for mediocrity, and hence what you are feeling in a community will repeat ad naseum, until an mmorpg picks at least one server and polices the open chat immaturity - which will never happen.
I used to get /whisper /tell a ton if I even said something out of character in certain mmorpgs. Nowadays, it's all about the word "penus" and your mom is so fat type humor, QQ, "wut r u doin" text talk atmosphere.
Didn't really follow the game that much, so it surprised me and I ended up really liking it. Except the terrible community.
Warning for those who fear more than a few words affecting their pre-frontal cortex: A quick rant on community!
Sadly, before 2004 (let's start in 1998 or so) you could find some really good communities in Ultima Online, Everquest, Asheron's Call, Dark Age of Camelot. A few arse hats still existed, certainly. But immature crap was a minority event, now, to find a guild of focused adults who loved the genre of their particular mmorpg, and actually work as a team on a nightly basis is slim to rare to dare I say after the last 2 years in Warhammer and 6 in WoW and...(insert title here)...it just might not exist.
Come 2004 and the advent of the immediate gratification mmorpg that is a theme park based mmo with cartoon movie cuts and even worse character animations, and a huge influx of younger and especially immature (younger does not always denote immaturity) players from the rpg Wacraft series and FPS games joined the fray.
MMORPGs were initially built to appease the old school sit around a friend's table on a Wednesday night and play dungeons and dragons crowd. It was mostly a well read, intellectually astute crowd. Blizzard Entertainment, however, taught the mmorpg world that there was a mass market for mediocrity, and hence what you are feeling in a community will repeat ad naseum, until an mmorpg picks at least one server and polices the open chat immaturity - which will never happen.
I used to get /whisper /tell a ton if I even said something out of character in certain mmorpgs. Nowadays, it's all about the word "penus" and your mom is so fat type humor, QQ, "wut r u doin" text talk atmosphere.
Sad BUT OH SO TRUE.
As a former guild officer, I went round and round about this with players. We promoted our guild as a family orentied guild who played with our kids and friends kids online. Cursing and rude behavior were not tolerated and was a /boot offense....(in my "old man" voice) I miss the good old days when you could play your MMORPG and not have to worry about some young whipper-snapper blowing your chat up or stealing your kills/quests.
you are on the wrong site for subjective or non biased polls. 90% of the voters have never played and will vote on their feelings rather than experience.
I agree with this... if you want to get more accurate results I'd post a poll on the official forums... I think only people who actually bought the game can post there, idk havn't tried visiting them yet.
But anyways, I actually do play it, and I voted love it
I bought it for my PS3 and really like it. I think it will do it's job nicely and give me a good MMO fix until SW:TOR comes out. My son who is 6 also likes it so I may even keep the sub active for him to play.
Played: DAoC 6 years, WoW 2 years, Ultima/EQ 1+ years, AoC/Aion/Rift/SWTOR a few months Tried: Warhammer, EQ2, Vanguard, Lord of the Rings Online, Dungeons and Dragons Online, Runes of Magic and many, many others... Currently Playing: DAOC
Poll is useless...because 100 trolls (probably only 20 of which own the game) come on here just to give negative responses.
Dude, many of us tried beta. While I'd agree that beta people that experienced MAYBE 20 hours of a 300-400 hour game can be biased to think it's simple can be too quick to damn a game...
Some people are already at max level with this game. 1 DAY FROM LAUNCH. That is absurd, even in 1 player RPG's. Yes I know there are feats they may have missed...
It's absurd, I'd say, that a poll like this has legitimate meaning regarding an MMO. NOT because IT asks the question so early, RATHER because the question can BE ANSWERED so early.
This poll wasn't good. I haven't had enough time to really get into the game yet, so I neither LOVE it or HATE it. Im still just kinda "MEH!".
I will say, there are a number of problems with the game that are keeping me from ever enjoying it.
1) The menus, controls, settings, UI, etc. DCUO fails horribly on all of these. I spend about 2 hours today trying to figure out how to get a controller to work properly with the game, but still couldn't get it working.
The amount of control you have over settings is just redicuolus, and it seems like they just forgot to finish a lot of it. Actually, it feels more like a console game, where you dont really get to adjust the settings so much.
2) Chat and other communication is horrid. Its not as bad as FFXIV, but still VERY bad. I dont know why companies always try to change things that have been successful in the past. Just about every game I know of you can hit " / " to bring up the command prompt to chat. Not in DCUO.
3) The whole "twitch" gameplay thing -- I guess some people love this and some people hate it. It was the same deal in WOW's PVP. And I could never understand it. Combat throughout MMO's is usually pretty balanced as far as speed and strategy. I hated how in WOW, there was "stunlocking" and killing people in seconds, whereas in the PVE, fights would last at least 30-60 seconds usually. With DCUO, it may just be the controls and performance problems at the moment, or maybe Im just not so much of a "twitch gamer", but it does kinda feel like button tapping.
And I think thats what I "hate" about the game the most. It has an identity crisis. Its not really an MMORPG, and its not and action game, or a fighter, or strategy. It tries to borrow elements from all of these areas, but fall short in the end.
On the flip side, I like the graphics, and the whole DCU setting. The fighting IS fast paced, but its gets repetative very fast. It may be that its something new, or the fact that there is nothing else out there to play right now, but something is drawing me to play this game more. Its only one day after release, so im sure in time some of the shortcomings of this game will be fixed, and it COULD do very well. The content problem will always be there, but thats up to SOE to provide enough content to make the subscription worth it.
So if I had to vote, i'd either vote "Love it" and "Hate it", or wouldn't vote at all, because its not clear cut at this point.
Voted hated it because you gave us no middle ground choice. I played DCUO in beta and wasn't that impressed with it. I found the game to be entertaining but shallow. I don't feel the game is lacking due to Sony's lack of vision or game creating ability. I feel the reason for this lightweight game treatment is that Sony has taken a page out of Cryptic's play book and decided that a quick spurt of capital return on a big name IP MMO investment is better than a long term commitment. While that idea might be financially sound it sadly leaves those of us players who were hoping for a game that would keep us playing for longer than a month or two S.O.L.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
Neither yet, it have good sides and bad sides. So far i cant say if its good or bad mmorpg. Only thing that im sure is, that it isnt worst or best ive played.
I like it so far as a time killing game, but as a mmorpg is different story.
Doesn't feel like an mmo, feels very mediocre, however it is very action oriented and reminds me of Champions Online, just a bit more button mashing. Classic MMO Rpger's, stay away.
A rather limited set of options in your poll. I'm sure there are a lot of people would fall somewhere between the two extremes of either loving or hating the game.
Yup.
I did love playing it, but not enough to consider paying $59+monthly(no lifetime option on ps3 either).
After a few days in the beta it all became pretty repetitive, but kind of par for the course. Probably spent more time trying to come up with unused "look-a-likes" of other comicbook characters than actually playing, and that was after only 2-3 days of solid gametime (this was during vacation, so reaching the lv20 cap in that time wasn't difficult at all).
It really was fun, but not a long lasting type of fun, felt more like a in short bursts game to me, not something i'd consider buying and have to continually re/un-sub to, for a total of maybe one week out of every other month. Really not what I look for in a $100+++ game.
love is a strong word. I like it. Am enjoying playing. Jury is still out on whether I'll sub to this or CoH after the month is out.
"Never met a pack of humans that were any different. Look at the idiots that get elected every couple of years. You really consider those guys more mature than us? The only difference between us and them is, when they gank some noobs and take their stuff, the noobs actually die." - Madimorga
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"Never met a pack of humans that were any different. Look at the idiots that get elected every couple of years. You really consider those guys more mature than us? The only difference between us and them is, when they gank some noobs and take their stuff, the noobs actually die." - Madimorga
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Forum polls are 100% accurate 10% of the time.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
I see what you're getting at. But I don't think you CAN consider it without considering the cost. Particularly since it will KEEP costing you, month to month. The fact that it offers you a GW1 co-op type experience, but expects you to pay monthly for it, I think IS relevant to whether you like it or not. Value matters.
I suppose, but walk up to any GuildWars2 fanboy on the site right now (yes, walk up to them on the forums. DO IT..) thats played the first Guild Wars and ask them if they would have paid for GW1 monthly. I've seen it on this site many times where people say they would have.
Considering costs is relative when you are looking to buy it, whereas the ability to like or dislike something can transcend costs. It just puts a modifier on it. You like it, but you don't 50 dollars plus 15 a month like it. Thats understandable, but that doesn't mean you hate it.
Looking down the road, nobody knows what to expect in the long run, they could never do the monthly updates, or on this next monthly update they could blow us away with a new power set, new raids, and alerts, and send the subscribers popsicles. I don't know what to expect, and I don't know if the cost of 15 dollars a month will be viable if the game fails to live up to its promises or my very low expectations. (its SOE, what? You think I'd have high expectations?)
I do like the game though, and I liked it enough to buy it. Doesn't mean everyone who liked it, liked it enough to buy it, but that doesn't mean that they have to say they didn't like what they played.
I clicked "No" althought I don't hate the game, console style playing is not what I care for, especially in a PC game. Until they fixed the problem, the constant camera 'drift' would give me a migraine. Move your character, then ever so slowly the camera would drift around behind your character, along with the moving elements in the tutorial ships floor.... yeah, my play time was limited to about an hour a night during Beta. Not so bad when they inally fixed it.
<rt-click then rt-click and hold>
Might as well be < > ^ v X O ?
I shouldn't have to by a PS3 controller to play my PC game.
I like the black vs white of the poll. If I'm going to spend 50$ on anything Sony has made (Vanguard, SWG destroyed), then I want to see a lot of happy folks.
Yeah because everyone over the age of 25 that still doesn't live in their mom's basement loves a Cash Shop mmorpg with a crap community /rolls eyes
Warning for those who fear more than a few words affecting their pre-frontal cortex: A quick rant on community!
Sadly, before 2004 (let's start in 1998 or so) you could find some really good communities in Ultima Online, Everquest, Asheron's Call, Dark Age of Camelot. A few arse hats still existed, certainly. But immature crap was a minority event, now, to find a guild of focused adults who loved the genre of their particular mmorpg, and actually work as a team on a nightly basis is slim to rare to dare I say after the last 2 years in Warhammer and 6 in WoW and...(insert title here)...it just might not exist.
Come 2004 and the advent of the immediate gratification mmorpg that is a theme park based mmo with cartoon movie cuts and even worse character animations, and a huge influx of younger and especially immature (younger does not always denote immaturity) players from the rpg Wacraft series and FPS games joined the fray.
MMORPGs were initially built to appease the old school sit around a friend's table on a Wednesday night and play dungeons and dragons crowd. It was mostly a well read, intellectually astute crowd. Blizzard Entertainment, however, taught the mmorpg world that there was a mass market for mediocrity, and hence what you are feeling in a community will repeat ad naseum, until an mmorpg picks at least one server and polices the open chat immaturity - which will never happen.
I used to get /whisper /tell a ton if I even said something out of character in certain mmorpgs. Nowadays, it's all about the word "penus" and your mom is so fat type humor, QQ, "wut r u doin" text talk atmosphere.
Sad BUT OH SO TRUE.
As a former guild officer, I went round and round about this with players. We promoted our guild as a family orentied guild who played with our kids and friends kids online. Cursing and rude behavior were not tolerated and was a /boot offense....(in my "old man" voice) I miss the good old days when you could play your MMORPG and not have to worry about some young whipper-snapper blowing your chat up or stealing your kills/quests.
Dude... do you have ANY idea what "buy to play" means?
I agree with this... if you want to get more accurate results I'd post a poll on the official forums... I think only people who actually bought the game can post there, idk havn't tried visiting them yet.
But anyways, I actually do play it, and I voted love it
Only played for about 15 hours so far, but to this point I'm fkin loving it. The pvp so far has seemed pretty solid.
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Do you play on a pvp server per chance? The community on my pve server seems fine so far.
I bought it for my PS3 and really like it. I think it will do it's job nicely and give me a good MMO fix until SW:TOR comes out. My son who is 6 also likes it so I may even keep the sub active for him to play.
Played: DAoC 6 years, WoW 2 years, Ultima/EQ 1+ years, AoC/Aion/Rift/SWTOR a few months
Tried: Warhammer, EQ2, Vanguard, Lord of the Rings Online, Dungeons and Dragons Online, Runes of Magic and many, many others...
Currently Playing: DAOC
Poll is useless...because 100 trolls (probably only 20 of which own the game) come on here just to give negative responses.
Uhm, I can't see the results without voting. Can you add a 3rd option, Haven't played/want to see results
Dude, many of us tried beta. While I'd agree that beta people that experienced MAYBE 20 hours of a 300-400 hour game can be biased to think it's simple can be too quick to damn a game...
Some people are already at max level with this game. 1 DAY FROM LAUNCH. That is absurd, even in 1 player RPG's. Yes I know there are feats they may have missed...
It's absurd, I'd say, that a poll like this has legitimate meaning regarding an MMO. NOT because IT asks the question so early, RATHER because the question can BE ANSWERED so early.
This poll wasn't good. I haven't had enough time to really get into the game yet, so I neither LOVE it or HATE it. Im still just kinda "MEH!".
I will say, there are a number of problems with the game that are keeping me from ever enjoying it.
1) The menus, controls, settings, UI, etc. DCUO fails horribly on all of these. I spend about 2 hours today trying to figure out how to get a controller to work properly with the game, but still couldn't get it working.
The amount of control you have over settings is just redicuolus, and it seems like they just forgot to finish a lot of it. Actually, it feels more like a console game, where you dont really get to adjust the settings so much.
2) Chat and other communication is horrid. Its not as bad as FFXIV, but still VERY bad. I dont know why companies always try to change things that have been successful in the past. Just about every game I know of you can hit " / " to bring up the command prompt to chat. Not in DCUO.
3) The whole "twitch" gameplay thing -- I guess some people love this and some people hate it. It was the same deal in WOW's PVP. And I could never understand it. Combat throughout MMO's is usually pretty balanced as far as speed and strategy. I hated how in WOW, there was "stunlocking" and killing people in seconds, whereas in the PVE, fights would last at least 30-60 seconds usually. With DCUO, it may just be the controls and performance problems at the moment, or maybe Im just not so much of a "twitch gamer", but it does kinda feel like button tapping.
And I think thats what I "hate" about the game the most. It has an identity crisis. Its not really an MMORPG, and its not and action game, or a fighter, or strategy. It tries to borrow elements from all of these areas, but fall short in the end.
On the flip side, I like the graphics, and the whole DCU setting. The fighting IS fast paced, but its gets repetative very fast. It may be that its something new, or the fact that there is nothing else out there to play right now, but something is drawing me to play this game more. Its only one day after release, so im sure in time some of the shortcomings of this game will be fixed, and it COULD do very well. The content problem will always be there, but thats up to SOE to provide enough content to make the subscription worth it.
So if I had to vote, i'd either vote "Love it" and "Hate it", or wouldn't vote at all, because its not clear cut at this point.
I know everyone hates being corrected, but can the internet please get past spelling ridiculous incorrectly?
http://how-to-spell-ridiculous.com/
Voted hated it because you gave us no middle ground choice. I played DCUO in beta and wasn't that impressed with it. I found the game to be entertaining but shallow. I don't feel the game is lacking due to Sony's lack of vision or game creating ability. I feel the reason for this lightweight game treatment is that Sony has taken a page out of Cryptic's play book and decided that a quick spurt of capital return on a big name IP MMO investment is better than a long term commitment. While that idea might be financially sound it sadly leaves those of us players who were hoping for a game that would keep us playing for longer than a month or two S.O.L.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
Neither yet, it have good sides and bad sides. So far i cant say if its good or bad mmorpg. Only thing that im sure is, that it isnt worst or best ive played.
I like it so far as a time killing game, but as a mmorpg is different story.
Doesn't feel like an mmo, feels very mediocre, however it is very action oriented and reminds me of Champions Online, just a bit more button mashing. Classic MMO Rpger's, stay away.
Yup.
I did love playing it, but not enough to consider paying $59+monthly(no lifetime option on ps3 either).
After a few days in the beta it all became pretty repetitive, but kind of par for the course. Probably spent more time trying to come up with unused "look-a-likes" of other comicbook characters than actually playing, and that was after only 2-3 days of solid gametime (this was during vacation, so reaching the lv20 cap in that time wasn't difficult at all).
It really was fun, but not a long lasting type of fun, felt more like a in short bursts game to me, not something i'd consider buying and have to continually re/un-sub to, for a total of maybe one week out of every other month. Really not what I look for in a $100+++ game.
love is a strong word. I like it. Am enjoying playing. Jury is still out on whether I'll sub to this or CoH after the month is out.
"Never met a pack of humans that were any different. Look at the idiots that get elected every couple of years. You really consider those guys more mature than us? The only difference between us and them is, when they gank some noobs and take their stuff, the noobs actually die." - Madimorga
Really enjoyed the beta but sadly im busy playing Darkfall at the moment..
DC will prob be somthing i pick up in the future for sure
Spelling is passé. Noah Webster can burn in hell for publishing a Speller in the 1780s that did not make (or more accurately maintain as) English a phonetic language.
"Never met a pack of humans that were any different. Look at the idiots that get elected every couple of years. You really consider those guys more mature than us? The only difference between us and them is, when they gank some noobs and take their stuff, the noobs actually die." - Madimorga