So people aren't allowed to make good mods anymore?
Activision, you deserve to go the way of the company you spawned from. Do you remember when you vowed never to be as evil as they were, to be all about gaming? I guess something changed.
Do you think Blizzard would have had a problem with the mod if it was called Fluffy Fluffy world of Fluffyness or something that was not Starcraft? I will tell you, no. NO one has the right to use the Starcraft name except Blizzard.
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by fivoroth
Why is it so hard for some people to understand that this is indeed infringement of Blizzard's rights.
I don't think very many people actually don't understand that. More like people just wish for an ideal world where big companies and modders get together and hold hands, or at least are politer about how they ask somebody to stop using a name.
Yeah, inappropriate name, but you know what? From how socially inept some programmers seem, it's possible they weren't even thinking that clearly, they were just having fun. No reason to treat them like it's malicious on their part.
Just a letter saying 'Hey, we say what you're doing, that's really cool and all, but we have to protect our trademarks, so we're going to ask you to do this, this and this differently' would have made people think Blizzard was 50 kinds of different awesome.
It would be nice for them to be politer but companies just don't work this way. When companies have legal issues they just ask their lawyers to do this for them. Besides the creator of the mod was in fact fully aware that what he was doing was wrong. He had a topic in his forum trying to convince Blizzard not to C&D him so he must have known that he was breaching copyright law.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see this module and play it and I think the creator has talent but the choice of name was very inappropriate and I think he was fully aware of what he was doing.
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Do you think Blizzard would have had a problem with the mod if it was called Fluffy Fluffy world of Fluffyness or something that was not Starcraft? I will tell you, no. NO one has the right to use the Starcraft name except Blizzard.
I would take this SO very much more seriously if like a third of the SC 2 mods didn't use the word 'Starcraft' or '(insert word here)craft in it, and another third with other trademarked IPs.
'FPS Starcraft 2'
'Fallout 3 Starcraft 2 Mod'
'Starcraft 2 WoW Mod'
'Starcraft 2 Beta (Diablo User Interface)'
Blizzard hasn't been chasing these people around slamming down on them or anything. Apparently you CAN use the word Starcraft. Just not 'World of Starcraft'. He might have even been able to get away with 'World of Starcraft Mod', to be honest.
It would be nice for them to be politer but companies just don't work this way. When companies have legal issues they just ask their lawyers to do this for them. Besides the creator of the mod was in fact fully aware that what he was doing was wrong. He had a topic in his forum trying to convince Blizzard not to C&D him so he must have known that he was breaching copyright law.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see this module and play it and I think the creator has talent but the choice of name was very inappropriate and I think he was fully aware of what he was doing.
Seriously, reading a list of already released SC 2 mods is pretty educational. With some of the names people have (Heck, the names that Blizzard itself used for its own SC2 mods), I could see how somebody might not see much difference between those and 'World of Starcraft'
... and I'm not sure when that topic was out. If it was AFTER his Youtube videos got yanked, it's hard to see how even the most clueless person could still think they're clear after that happened.
Oh, and lawyers is one thing, but seriously, it's not against the law to send nice letters to people. When companies add some of the human touch, it always makes them look cooler. Some companies DO send nice little letters to people. This was high profile enough, and an obviously seriously dedicated enough mod, it could have been worth the time of some mid level Blizzard flunkie to add in a little free positive mod community PR while they were doing whatever else.
5 minutes with your lawyers can make the letter nice and legally airtight so you don't make it seem like you're giving the person permission. Polite and legal aren't antonyms.
It would appear that upon seeing the videos on youtube there were those at Blizzard who thought it was being produced with something other than the SC2 map editor. (thus copywrite infringment)
After that the main concern was the name which it would appear Blizzard owns. (possible trademark problems)
It would appear the creator of the mod once Blizzard got in contact with him and explained their reasoning is a stand up guy who can accept what they decided and why it happened. All in all good luck to him and hope he goes far.
The creator has been offered a job by another studio though has to go through the selection process like everyone else. Would also appear that he is willing to combine efforts with another guy developing the same kind of thing so it would appear that no matter what happens there will be some kind of basic Starcraft MMO playable as a mod from Starcraft 2 eventually it just won't be called World of Starcraft.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
There is nothing more dangerous than a true believer.
Meh, this issue is really lame, tbh. Blizzard can do whatever they want according to the EULA/TOS etc, and we can do whatever we want until we get caught doing something that makes them bust out their ePeens and smite us, for which we have little to no recourse (emphasis on no). Of more interest to me is how Blizz got their concepts off the ground... Games Workshop, anyone?
Sure, the guy is awesome and if I developed games instead of medical software, I'd definitely make him an offer for a job. Fact is, however, that someone else more suited to his talents saw him and offered him a job. Sounds like a win in my opinion. All the name calling is really pointless.
Everyone knows that large corporations can be zealous about IP, and who can blame them? If you take off your Che' Guevarra cap and think like a capitalist for a sec, you'll see that we all protect what is ours in our own special way, regardless of the relative freedom of the particular country we happen to live in. IP is a huge deal now in the electronic age, and it's just getting bigger. Legions of lawyers are being spawned as we speak who are specializing in the field and we all know the world would collapse without billable hours. You also have to admit that a cease and decist is totally different than dragging this guy through the legal system. We all know Blizz could totally bankrupt the guy if they wanted just stalling the "wheels of justice".
For a real violation of IP, however, I would definitely want a good IP lawyer at my back, though. How many times throughout history have we seen large corporations dump all over IP because they had more lawyers. If you have any questions and a little extra time, look up the history of the windshield wiper.
This is just proof that you can be 100% right and 1000% wrong at the same time.
I'm just pissed because it'll be a while before I get to play his game or something like it.
Yeah, I'd love to see how you guys would react if it were your itellectual property that was being misused. Especially in a way that undermines any future plans you may have for the IP. I'm willing to bet my life that most if not all of you would be up in arms with lynch rope in hand. Not only upset at the principle of the matter, but the detrimental effects on income as well.
Well, considering that Blizz came out and announced they have no probs with the mod, even to the point of encouraging it and inviting the maker to their campus, I'm curious as to when you're planning on paying up on that bet. If the primary source for your argument hasn't a prob with it, then I suspect most of the people you are referring to would not either..
Pay up or shutup.
The fact of the matter (according to Blizz) was the name itself on Youtube and their default legal behavior in that it was part of a trademark. The IP of Starcraft being used in this way is not (according to them) a problem. Riot seems to agree that it's not a bad idea either as they have offered the guy a job. I'm guessing if they were worried about their own IP being used in a manner as such then they wouldn't be hiring a guy that used another company's IP and encouraging that practice..
again, pay up.. let us know where to look for it in the news before you do it.
Yeah, I'd love to see how you guys would react if it were your itellectual property that was being misused. Especially in a way that undermines any future plans you may have for the IP. I'm willing to bet my life that most if not all of you would be up in arms with lynch rope in hand. Not only upset at the principle of the matter, but the detrimental effects on income as well.
Well, considering that Blizz came out and announced they have no probs with the mod, even to the point of encouraging it and inviting the maker to their campus, I'm curious as to when you're planning on paying up on that bet. If the primary source for your argument hasn't a prob with it, then I suspect most of the people you are referring to would not either..
Pay up or shutup.
The fact of the matter (according to Blizz) was the name itself on Youtube and their default legal behavior in that it was part of a trademark. The IP of Starcraft being used in this way is not (according to them) a problem. Riot seems to agree that it's not a bad idea either as they have offered the guy a job. I'm guessing if they were worried about their own IP being used in a manner as such then they wouldn't be hiring a guy that used another company's IP and encouraging that practice..
again, pay up.. let us know where to look for it in the news before you do it.
Earlier this week, a player-made StarCraft 2 mod called World of StarCraft and described as a 'StarCraft MMO' was featured on a number of prominent gaming news sites, catching the attention of gamers as well as our own. With the name so closely resembling that of World of Warcraft, we wanted to discuss the title of the mod with the developer, and as part of our routine procedure, we contacted YouTube to request the video be removed while that discussion took place. We were also curious about the project and wanted to discuss with the developer what the mod entailed.
It was never our intention to stop development on the mod or discourage the community from expressing their creativity through the StarCraft 2 editor. As always, we actively encourage development of custom maps and mods for StarCraft 2, as we've done with our strategy games in the past. That's why we release an editor with our RTS games, and why we feature top player-created content in the custom game search. It's also why we held a contest to spotlight the best community-crafted StarCraft 2 mods at last year's BlizzCon, and why we'll continue to improve Battle.net to better showcase player-created content.
Like many players in the community, we're looking forward to seeing the continued development of this mod, and as part of our ongoing discussion, we've extended an offer to the developer to visit the Blizzard campus and meet with the StarCraft 2 development team. As always, we appreciate all of the efforts of the talented and enthusiastic mod-making community, and we look forward to seeing and playing what they create using the StarCraft 2 editor in the future.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Well seems Blizzard has once again overlooked talient that their team could of seriously used....Excuse me while I look at Roit to see what they have plans of coming out with...and Blizzard, go the way of dead gaints like Capcom please.
Well seems Blizzard has once again overlooked talient that their team could of seriously used....Excuse me while I look at Roit to see what they have plans of coming out with...and Blizzard, go the way of dead gaints like Capcom please.
Troll much? FYI when I purchased the CE of Cata it came with a behind the scene dics showcasing some of Blizzard's creative staff. Composers, artist, programmers and many others. One thing I noticed what that a couple of the people interviewed stated how they first played WoW and later started working for Blizzard. So for those poeple that have a passion for Blizzard games and are avid gamers, yes, Blizzard does hire players that play their games. Try looking it up on youtube sometimes before making rash comments on topics that you fail to have support for.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
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Do you think Blizzard would have had a problem with the mod if it was called Fluffy Fluffy world of Fluffyness or something that was not Starcraft? I will tell you, no. NO one has the right to use the Starcraft name except Blizzard.
It would be nice for them to be politer but companies just don't work this way. When companies have legal issues they just ask their lawyers to do this for them. Besides the creator of the mod was in fact fully aware that what he was doing was wrong. He had a topic in his forum trying to convince Blizzard not to C&D him so he must have known that he was breaching copyright law.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see this module and play it and I think the creator has talent but the choice of name was very inappropriate and I think he was fully aware of what he was doing.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
I would take this SO very much more seriously if like a third of the SC 2 mods didn't use the word 'Starcraft' or '(insert word here)craft in it, and another third with other trademarked IPs.
'FPS Starcraft 2'
'Fallout 3 Starcraft 2 Mod'
'Starcraft 2 WoW Mod'
'Starcraft 2 Beta (Diablo User Interface)'
Blizzard hasn't been chasing these people around slamming down on them or anything. Apparently you CAN use the word Starcraft. Just not 'World of Starcraft'. He might have even been able to get away with 'World of Starcraft Mod', to be honest.
Glad I stopped playing games made by this clueless crew of dipsh*ts.
Seriously, reading a list of already released SC 2 mods is pretty educational. With some of the names people have (Heck, the names that Blizzard itself used for its own SC2 mods), I could see how somebody might not see much difference between those and 'World of Starcraft'
... and I'm not sure when that topic was out. If it was AFTER his Youtube videos got yanked, it's hard to see how even the most clueless person could still think they're clear after that happened.
Oh, and lawyers is one thing, but seriously, it's not against the law to send nice letters to people. When companies add some of the human touch, it always makes them look cooler. Some companies DO send nice little letters to people. This was high profile enough, and an obviously seriously dedicated enough mod, it could have been worth the time of some mid level Blizzard flunkie to add in a little free positive mod community PR while they were doing whatever else.
5 minutes with your lawyers can make the letter nice and legally airtight so you don't make it seem like you're giving the person permission. Polite and legal aren't antonyms.
And the latest word from the person themselves can be found here
http://www.worldofstarcraft.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=visit&action=display&thread=70
It would appear that upon seeing the videos on youtube there were those at Blizzard who thought it was being produced with something other than the SC2 map editor. (thus copywrite infringment)
After that the main concern was the name which it would appear Blizzard owns. (possible trademark problems)
It would appear the creator of the mod once Blizzard got in contact with him and explained their reasoning is a stand up guy who can accept what they decided and why it happened. All in all good luck to him and hope he goes far.
The creator has been offered a job by another studio though has to go through the selection process like everyone else. Would also appear that he is willing to combine efforts with another guy developing the same kind of thing so it would appear that no matter what happens there will be some kind of basic Starcraft MMO playable as a mod from Starcraft 2 eventually it just won't be called World of Starcraft.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
There is nothing more dangerous than a true believer.
Meh, this issue is really lame, tbh. Blizzard can do whatever they want according to the EULA/TOS etc, and we can do whatever we want until we get caught doing something that makes them bust out their ePeens and smite us, for which we have little to no recourse (emphasis on no). Of more interest to me is how Blizz got their concepts off the ground... Games Workshop, anyone?
Sure, the guy is awesome and if I developed games instead of medical software, I'd definitely make him an offer for a job. Fact is, however, that someone else more suited to his talents saw him and offered him a job. Sounds like a win in my opinion. All the name calling is really pointless.
Everyone knows that large corporations can be zealous about IP, and who can blame them? If you take off your Che' Guevarra cap and think like a capitalist for a sec, you'll see that we all protect what is ours in our own special way, regardless of the relative freedom of the particular country we happen to live in. IP is a huge deal now in the electronic age, and it's just getting bigger. Legions of lawyers are being spawned as we speak who are specializing in the field and we all know the world would collapse without billable hours. You also have to admit that a cease and decist is totally different than dragging this guy through the legal system. We all know Blizz could totally bankrupt the guy if they wanted just stalling the "wheels of justice".
For a real violation of IP, however, I would definitely want a good IP lawyer at my back, though. How many times throughout history have we seen large corporations dump all over IP because they had more lawyers. If you have any questions and a little extra time, look up the history of the windshield wiper.
This is just proof that you can be 100% right and 1000% wrong at the same time.
I'm just pissed because it'll be a while before I get to play his game or something like it.
Kudos to him and a golf clap to Blizz.
Well, considering that Blizz came out and announced they have no probs with the mod, even to the point of encouraging it and inviting the maker to their campus, I'm curious as to when you're planning on paying up on that bet. If the primary source for your argument hasn't a prob with it, then I suspect most of the people you are referring to would not either..
Pay up or shutup.
The fact of the matter (according to Blizz) was the name itself on Youtube and their default legal behavior in that it was part of a trademark. The IP of Starcraft being used in this way is not (according to them) a problem. Riot seems to agree that it's not a bad idea either as they have offered the guy a job. I'm guessing if they were worried about their own IP being used in a manner as such then they wouldn't be hiring a guy that used another company's IP and encouraging that practice..
again, pay up.. let us know where to look for it in the news before you do it.
wtf is with this thing cutting a post after a quote?
Blizz OK'ed the guy's project and doesn't play to stop him. Now stop ranting <.<
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/107147-Blizzard-Gives-Thumbs-Up-to-World-of-StarCraft-Mod
Originally posted by Blizzard:
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Well seems Blizzard has once again overlooked talient that their team could of seriously used....Excuse me while I look at Roit to see what they have plans of coming out with...and Blizzard, go the way of dead gaints like Capcom please.
Troll much? FYI when I purchased the CE of Cata it came with a behind the scene dics showcasing some of Blizzard's creative staff. Composers, artist, programmers and many others. One thing I noticed what that a couple of the people interviewed stated how they first played WoW and later started working for Blizzard. So for those poeple that have a passion for Blizzard games and are avid gamers, yes, Blizzard does hire players that play their games. Try looking it up on youtube sometimes before making rash comments on topics that you fail to have support for.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."