I prefer knowing that after paying I've gotten the whole game, that everyone I'm playing with is on the same footing and that I can just relax and not have to think about real life things like money while I play. But thats just me.
Not going to happen, even hypothetically. Simplest reason of all. Someone has to pay to keep the servers up and running. Money just doesn't fall out of the sky in the real world.
When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?
Most MMOs now a days have a cash shop of some sort. I'd prefer all the content to be in game of course, but it's simply not heading in that direction. With the inclusion of EQ2 and WoW both having cash shops and a sub. We are going to see more of this as time goes by. The only way to stop it would be for everyone to boycott MMOs.
/shrug I just don't buy double dip (well, triple dip really, what with box cost, sub and CS) games.
the devs need to choose a rev model imo and stick with it... sub, F2P, or B2P... this trying to heap all of them into one game just stinks of greed and profiteering to me.
Its probably the major reason I am not a SOE customer tbh and I can't see EA's shop being any more reasonable (based on how they charge for content for the Sims etc).
I will probably walk by SW for exactly the same reason I did DCUO, which is a shame.
Not going to happen, even hypothetically. Simplest reason of all. Someone has to pay to keep the servers up and running. Money just doesn't fall out of the sky in the real world.
Yet somehow the Arenanet feels they can do so with GW2, will be interesting to see if they can pull it off.
I am indifferent, as long as the game isn't designed around a F2P model such as ROM (and we know it's not).
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I dont care what the payment model is for this game. They can make me pay in blood as far as im concerned. Im going to play this game so damn hard when it comes out, my computer is going to melt.
Most MMOs now a days have a cash shop of some sort. I'd prefer all the content to be in game of course, but it's simply not heading in that direction. With the inclusion of EQ2 and WoW both having cash shops and a sub. We are going to see more of this as time goes by. The only way to stop it would be for everyone to boycott MMOs.
/shrug I just don't buy double dip (well, triple dip really, what with box cost, sub and CS) games.
the devs need to choose a rev model imo and stick with it... sub, F2P, or B2P... this trying to heap all of them into one game just stinks of greed and profiteering to me.
Its probably the major reason I am not a SOE customer tbh and I can't see EA's shop being any more reasonable (based on how they charge for content for the Sims etc).
I will probably walk by SW for exactly the same reason I did DCUO, which is a shame.
SOE is horrible though, they use to put out an expansion like every 2-3 months instead of content updates when I played EQ2.
Most MMOs now a days have a cash shop of some sort. I'd prefer all the content to be in game of course, but it's simply not heading in that direction. With the inclusion of EQ2 and WoW both having cash shops and a sub. We are going to see more of this as time goes by. The only way to stop it would be for everyone to boycott MMOs.
/shrug I just don't buy double dip (well, triple dip really, what with box cost, sub and CS) games.
the devs need to choose a rev model imo and stick with it... sub, F2P, or B2P... this trying to heap all of them into one game just stinks of greed and profiteering to me.
Its probably the major reason I am not a SOE customer tbh and I can't see EA's shop being any more reasonable (based on how they charge for content for the Sims etc).
I will probably walk by SW for exactly the same reason I did DCUO, which is a shame.
My suggestion would be a wait and see approach, they haven't said the game would have a shop yet at all. Let alone if anything game breaking is included. Closest that has been said to my knowledge is they are looking at all types.
It's likely but hasn't really been confirmed yet.
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Most MMOs now a days have a cash shop of some sort. I'd prefer all the content to be in game of course, but it's simply not heading in that direction. With the inclusion of EQ2 and WoW both having cash shops and a sub. We are going to see more of this as time goes by. The only way to stop it would be for everyone to boycott MMOs.
/shrug I just don't buy double dip (well, triple dip really, what with box cost, sub and CS) games.
the devs need to choose a rev model imo and stick with it... sub, F2P, or B2P... this trying to heap all of them into one game just stinks of greed and profiteering to me.
Its probably the major reason I am not a SOE customer tbh and I can't see EA's shop being any more reasonable (based on how they charge for content for the Sims etc).
I will probably walk by SW for exactly the same reason I did DCUO, which is a shame.
SOE is horrible though, they use to put out an expansion like every 2-3 months instead of content updates when I played EQ2.
And EA are...?
(though you are incorrect in your statement here, 2-3 months? instead of updates? might wanna check those facts)
Most MMOs now a days have a cash shop of some sort. I'd prefer all the content to be in game of course, but it's simply not heading in that direction. With the inclusion of EQ2 and WoW both having cash shops and a sub. We are going to see more of this as time goes by. The only way to stop it would be for everyone to boycott MMOs.
/shrug I just don't buy double dip (well, triple dip really, what with box cost, sub and CS) games.
the devs need to choose a rev model imo and stick with it... sub, F2P, or B2P... this trying to heap all of them into one game just stinks of greed and profiteering to me.
Its probably the major reason I am not a SOE customer tbh and I can't see EA's shop being any more reasonable (based on how they charge for content for the Sims etc).
I will probably walk by SW for exactly the same reason I did DCUO, which is a shame.
SOE is horrible though, they use to put out an expansion like every 2-3 months instead of content updates when I played EQ2.
And EA are...?
(though you are incorrect in your statement here, 2-3 months? instead of updates? might wanna check those facts)
Was an exaggeration, not fact heh. Just seemed like they released expansion and adventure packs every month.
Most MMOs now a days have a cash shop of some sort. I'd prefer all the content to be in game of course, but it's simply not heading in that direction. With the inclusion of EQ2 and WoW both having cash shops and a sub. We are going to see more of this as time goes by. The only way to stop it would be for everyone to boycott MMOs.
/shrug I just don't buy double dip (well, triple dip really, what with box cost, sub and CS) games.
the devs need to choose a rev model imo and stick with it... sub, F2P, or B2P... this trying to heap all of them into one game just stinks of greed and profiteering to me.
Its probably the major reason I am not a SOE customer tbh and I can't see EA's shop being any more reasonable (based on how they charge for content for the Sims etc).
I will probably walk by SW for exactly the same reason I did DCUO, which is a shame.
SOE is horrible though, they use to put out an expansion like every 2-3 months instead of content updates when I played EQ2.
And EA are...?
(though you are incorrect in your statement here, 2-3 months? instead of updates? might wanna check those facts)
Was an exaggeration, not fact heh. Just seemed like they released expansion and adventure packs every month.
Adventure packs havent been released in literally years as far as I am aware, and no, never nearly 'every month'.
But at least adventure packs were playable content to be experenced, learned, and beaten. They were actually great value for money in terms of what they offered (which is why SOE now prefer to sell EQ2 players a mount or new race for more or less the price of an entire expansion.. why spend money making actual gameplay when folks will stump up more for just a single model?).
EA will have this store packed like you have never seen imo, if Sims etc is anything to go by, full of instant rewards to buy that don't require any of that from you.
The fact that DA2 us launching with DLC available is also a very bad sign as to how the new Bioware is being handled imo... simplified games squeezed for every bean.
Most MMOs now a days have a cash shop of some sort. I'd prefer all the content to be in game of course, but it's simply not heading in that direction. With the inclusion of EQ2 and WoW both having cash shops and a sub. We are going to see more of this as time goes by. The only way to stop it would be for everyone to boycott MMOs.
/shrug I just don't buy double dip (well, triple dip really, what with box cost, sub and CS) games.
the devs need to choose a rev model imo and stick with it... sub, F2P, or B2P... this trying to heap all of them into one game just stinks of greed and profiteering to me.
Its probably the major reason I am not a SOE customer tbh and I can't see EA's shop being any more reasonable (based on how they charge for content for the Sims etc).
I will probably walk by SW for exactly the same reason I did DCUO, which is a shame.
SOE is horrible though, they use to put out an expansion like every 2-3 months instead of content updates when I played EQ2.
And EA are...?
(though you are incorrect in your statement here, 2-3 months? instead of updates? might wanna check those facts)
Was an exaggeration, not fact heh. Just seemed like they released expansion and adventure packs every month.
Adventure packs havent been released in literally years as far as I am aware, and no, never nearly 'every month'.
But at least adventure packs were playable content to be experenced, learned, and beaten. They were actually great value for money in terms of what they offered (which is why SOE now prefer to sell EQ2 players a mount or new race for more or less the price of an entire expansion.. why spend money making actual gameplay when folks will stump up more for just a single model?).
EA will have this store packed like you have never seen imo, if Sims etc is anything to go by, full of instant rewards to buy that don't require any of that from you.
The fact that DA2 us launching with DLC available is also a very bad sign as to how the new Bioware is being handled imo... simplified games squeezed for every bean.
DA2 isn't new with this. DA and ME2 were the same. If I remember people were making a stink about it when DA first came out. Bioware's reasoning/excuse was that they have different people working on different things. That and being able to produce new content between when the game went gold and release.
I prefer knowing that after paying I've gotten the whole game, that everyone I'm playing with is on the same footing and that I can just relax and not have to think about real life things like money while I play. But thats just me.
I have to agree with you here Paradigm68. I hate Cash Shops as well. After buying the game and paying a monthly subscription, I don't think it is right to have to pay ANY additional costs for the game. After all, if my subscription price is not paying for maintenance AND upgrades, then why should I give them more money to throw away. Personally I would rather pay an extra dollar or two a month for my subscription than be forced to buy content in a Cash Shop.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I'm happy enough paying a subscription for as long as there is content and it is fun, and then, when it's done, I'm happy enough resubscribing as long as there is new content to explore and fun to be had.
As long as that keeps a functional cash shop out of the game. I am not tolerant of playing a game while there are legal means for someone else to just go and use his credit card instead of playing to progress faster proportionally to money spent. I spend time in games, money is a consequence. It shouldn't be the other way. Not to mention how NOT tangible virtual goods are, with arbitrary prices done by a developer monopoly which also can change the world to match how desirable they want their virtual goods to be.
Not going to happen, even hypothetically. Simplest reason of all. Someone has to pay to keep the servers up and running. Money just doesn't fall out of the sky in the real world.
No offense, but this is a pointless hypothetical, since a subscription based plan is already confirmed. It will not be B2P.
I haven't been following GW2, but isn't that going to have a cash shop?
Edit: I actually prefer a subscription model after seeing the severe decline of LotRO's community with their hybrid model. If $15 a month keeps out a significant number of people that make accounts solely to a jackholes, it's a small price to pay.
Hypothetical scenario and NOT to be confused with F2P.
When I say B2P I mean you pay for the game and every subsequent major expansion instead of a monthly sub.
Also assume that this model will include a cash shop, but the only things available are purely cosmetic.
So with all this in mind, how would you feel about seeing an announcement like this? Would you prefer it or not?
No agenda other than plain curiosity.
I am sorry but this is just stupid and a little irrelevant. Curiosity could kill the genre not sure you have thought this out at all.
Happy to pay for additional content rather than have no additional, even happy to [ay increased subs if it keeps the unemployed and homeless out.
This game is subscription based.
I think we should start a thread assuming that the IP will no longer be Star Wars , makes sense for a laugh right !!!!!
Go ahead. No one's stopping you.
If you don't understand the words 'if' and 'hypothetical' then it's not my fault that you feel this thread is irrelevant. For me, I have found this thread quite interesting and worth the time making it.
Also, I fail to see how a simple thread like this could bring down the whole mmo genre, so please explain that one. I'm sure it will be a good read.
Maybe Interesting but Irrelevant and for anyone who understands , I am sure you could come up with something that may ever have a chance of happening other than something that wont the payment method has been announced.
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I just don't like cash shops.
I prefer knowing that after paying I've gotten the whole game, that everyone I'm playing with is on the same footing and that I can just relax and not have to think about real life things like money while I play. But thats just me.
I am definately getting the Collectors Edition of the game. Not sure about lifetime sub though. But I am really excited for this game.
In Bioware we trust!
Not going to happen, even hypothetically. Simplest reason of all. Someone has to pay to keep the servers up and running. Money just doesn't fall out of the sky in the real world.
When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?
/shrug I just don't buy double dip (well, triple dip really, what with box cost, sub and CS) games.
the devs need to choose a rev model imo and stick with it... sub, F2P, or B2P... this trying to heap all of them into one game just stinks of greed and profiteering to me.
Its probably the major reason I am not a SOE customer tbh and I can't see EA's shop being any more reasonable (based on how they charge for content for the Sims etc).
I will probably walk by SW for exactly the same reason I did DCUO, which is a shame.
Yet somehow the Arenanet feels they can do so with GW2, will be interesting to see if they can pull it off.
I am indifferent, as long as the game isn't designed around a F2P model such as ROM (and we know it's not).
B2P wouldn't bother me, I'd still play it.
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I dont care what the payment model is for this game. They can make me pay in blood as far as im concerned. Im going to play this game so damn hard when it comes out, my computer is going to melt.
SOE is horrible though, they use to put out an expansion like every 2-3 months instead of content updates when I played EQ2.
In Bioware we trust!
My suggestion would be a wait and see approach, they haven't said the game would have a shop yet at all. Let alone if anything game breaking is included. Closest that has been said to my knowledge is they are looking at all types.
It's likely but hasn't really been confirmed yet.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
And EA are...?
(though you are incorrect in your statement here, 2-3 months? instead of updates? might wanna check those facts)
I voted happy because I'm poor.
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Was an exaggeration, not fact heh. Just seemed like they released expansion and adventure packs every month.
In Bioware we trust!
I just think the title should be changed to just "hypothetical question"
I want to own property too
Adventure packs havent been released in literally years as far as I am aware, and no, never nearly 'every month'.
But at least adventure packs were playable content to be experenced, learned, and beaten. They were actually great value for money in terms of what they offered (which is why SOE now prefer to sell EQ2 players a mount or new race for more or less the price of an entire expansion.. why spend money making actual gameplay when folks will stump up more for just a single model?).
EA will have this store packed like you have never seen imo, if Sims etc is anything to go by, full of instant rewards to buy that don't require any of that from you.
The fact that DA2 us launching with DLC available is also a very bad sign as to how the new Bioware is being handled imo... simplified games squeezed for every bean.
DA2 isn't new with this. DA and ME2 were the same. If I remember people were making a stink about it when DA first came out. Bioware's reasoning/excuse was that they have different people working on different things. That and being able to produce new content between when the game went gold and release.
I have to agree with you here Paradigm68. I hate Cash Shops as well. After buying the game and paying a monthly subscription, I don't think it is right to have to pay ANY additional costs for the game. After all, if my subscription price is not paying for maintenance AND upgrades, then why should I give them more money to throw away. Personally I would rather pay an extra dollar or two a month for my subscription than be forced to buy content in a Cash Shop.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I'm happy enough paying a subscription for as long as there is content and it is fun, and then, when it's done, I'm happy enough resubscribing as long as there is new content to explore and fun to be had.
As long as that keeps a functional cash shop out of the game. I am not tolerant of playing a game while there are legal means for someone else to just go and use his credit card instead of playing to progress faster proportionally to money spent. I spend time in games, money is a consequence. It shouldn't be the other way. Not to mention how NOT tangible virtual goods are, with arbitrary prices done by a developer monopoly which also can change the world to match how desirable they want their virtual goods to be.
Unless you work for the government tbh.
If it was a F2P or a B2P I would not even consider playing it. All F2P and B2P are crap IMHO.
I voted indifferent. I really don't care.
The way MMOs are these days, I see no difference in quality (take that how you want good or bad)
They all seem to have some kind of item mall selling something that makes someone better than you
They all have grindy quests that get on your nerves eventually
Someone with more time on their hands and money in their pockets will always be better than you
They all have stupid bugs, or exploits
They both have those less desirable community members who enjoy griefing people.
ect ect
In either case, you are never truly happy and will find something to bitch about eventually in either case
No offense, but this is a pointless hypothetical, since a subscription based plan is already confirmed. It will not be B2P.
I haven't been following GW2, but isn't that going to have a cash shop?
Edit: I actually prefer a subscription model after seeing the severe decline of LotRO's community with their hybrid model. If $15 a month keeps out a significant number of people that make accounts solely to a jackholes, it's a small price to pay.
I am sorry but this is just stupid and a little irrelevant. Curiosity could kill the genre not sure you have thought this out at all.
Happy to pay for additional content rather than have no additional, even happy to [ay increased subs if it keeps the unemployed and homeless out.
This game is subscription based.
I think we should start a thread assuming that the IP will no longer be Star Wars , makes sense for a laugh right !!!!!
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I enjoy B2P and for some games it just makes sense.
The only thing that would make me skeptical in such news would be the fact that EA would be handling the microtransactions to make a profit.
Quite frankly the King doesn't sit well with that notion.
Maybe Interesting but Irrelevant and for anyone who understands , I am sure you could come up with something that may ever have a chance of happening other than something that wont the payment method has been announced.
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