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How many old CO players started again?
Wildbeard
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Hey , just wondering how many restarted with CO with the so called free to play model they have going atm?
I really enjoyed the game, the different power sets and looks, enjoyed the active combat and graphics.
just not enough to pay monthly,
so was glad it went free to play,
i update , admire my old characters and eager to see them back in action.....i try to log in ......and i cant ???
i need to convert to silver? change their powers to a preset made build? and then i can never even convert them back ?
This is not free to play , its jsut a trial with some made characters .
Biggest draw of CO is making your own character and seeing it in action....even more stupid is that you can play when you sub again , but then 'loose' your characters when you dont sub anymore .
Its a rip off i feel , and am thinking they shooting themselves in the foot with this....
am thinking if they did more like ddo , i would spend money and hen even resub out of respect, now they just dissapôint me. too bad, i was looking forward to trying it out again with my old characters.
must be tons "free to play " models they can use , instead of this
just curious if any former Champion online players restarted with this free to play game?
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beggars can't be choosers unfortunately... and you didnt have to convert your character to silver.... I played for a couple weeks after launch then stopped... I just started with the f2p and made a new toon.. i love it.. it's free... really what DO you want from a FREE to play game.. they want you to pay the 15 bucks a month.. if it upsets you that much then pay 15 bucks and recreate your old character... and im pretty certain that it gives you a screen saying.. ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO CONVERT THIS CHARACTER TO SILVER, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO BACK... i know it does.. i almost converted my old toon
erm...i didnt convert because i would lose the character, hence the questionmarks at end of sentence
i just find it quite stupid that it went free to play , yet i cant play my characters unless i pay.
i dont think you quite got the point , but dont matter . it is nice to see people thinking they are smug yet landing their face flat against that invisible wall that is embarresment.
In my opinion they failed the free to play model, Turbine got it right, and i believe it will show in the revenue in a couple of months .
But hey , enjoy that premade character because i do like Champions online , its fun. Though i would avoid the pvp arena
i just find it quite stupid that it went free to play , yet i cant play my characters unless i pay.
i dont think you quite got the point , but dont matter . it is nice to see people thinking they are smug yet landing their face flat against that invisible wall that is embarresment.
In my opinion they failed the free to play model, Turbine got it right, and i believe it will show in the revenue in a couple of months .
But hey , enjoy that premade character because i do like Champions online , its fun. Though i would avoid the pvp arena
The big draw of Champions is the character customization, not the content. The content is pretty mediocre at best. Gating is off behind a pay wall would prevent people from even being able to level to the max level. However, all the content is available to everyone who plays.
It does make perfect sense that they make the best feature of the game the part that people would have to pay for. I would personally be a little surprised if they made money off of this myself, but I think they made the right choice on what to gate off and what to provide for free.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
yea, I reloaded the client, got irritated that I as being forced to delete/convert character already made. Converted a low end character, played about 2-3 hours and realized the character generator was the only thing I liked and uninstalled it again.
There are AT-only PvP games which give a level playing field for non-freeform characters.
Just thought I'd mention that.
I think it would have been stupid to give away the customization for free, and for old subbers to be able to still play their old toons in Silver status. They might have allowed you maybe to pick ONE old toon to play Freeform while Silver, out of courtesy to subscribers who stuck with the game before, but that's about it.
Even with LOTRO, you are only allowed a few of your old toons to play with free status - you have to choose. But LOTRO has tons more content on its side, the customization is CO's "family jewels".
But anyway, even the restricted ATs are still decent enough for pootling about with PvE. I will be re-subbing (in fact I'm considering a Lifetime now), but for now it's fun to play the game for free, and it's heartwarming to see the game filling up nicely (something like 40 instances of MC open today) and to see chat buzzing.
Most of what was wrong with CO was "suit" decisions IMHO, not developer decisions per se. The core gameplay is basically good fun, and I think this will become a well-liked game, as it deserves to be.
As to the DCUO/CO/CoX argument, I think it's silly. The more superhero games the better, as far as I am concerned - the more people see "superhero" as a legitimate genre alongside "fantasy", the better - it means more and better superhero games will be made. DCUO has raised the profile, and that's actually a good thing for CO and CoX.
I do like champions online now, its quite fun. I love how everyone can be so different in pvp battlegrouns.
And the main reason i love co is because my character has a wolf head xD, so awesome
I went back and subscribed! really enjoying the game again and to be fair enjoyed it when it was released i just loose intrest in things real fast.
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i went back and subbed too. at least for a month, then i have 7 months of rift waiting for me. But if i get too bored of rift right off, i'll stick to CO.
I was going to give the F2P try. I even downloaded the game and logged in, but being that I played in the past and was already over the F2P character slot limit which is set to 2 slots, I would have to convert my characters to silver and lose all that hard work. I could delete, but I have two favorite toons and silver like I said only gives two free slots. I guess I will have to resub when I decide to play CO again, but soon I might have to put my money into Rift , depending how the last two betas are. Its too bad you lose so much in CO when converting characters. They should allow you to keep what you have from when you were a subscriber, and anything you dont have yet that otherwise is limited in the F2P service, you cant gain until subbing again or paying for it.
I don't think you should "keep what you have when you were a subscriber", if by that you mean ALL your old Freeform toons back to play with as you normal. That would be giving away too much, effectively giving you more or less what you had as a subscriber for free.
Turbine, with LOTRO and DDO allows you to keep a limited number of your previous toons intact to play for free, but that's because, on balance, they have a ton of content that's locked away, so it balances out.
I do think that Cryptic might have let ex-subscribers keep ONE "favourite" toon Freeform on Silver, as a courtesy gesture for support through lean times. I'm guessing they probably would have liked to have done that but it would have been too much extra efffort to code when they had other things to concentrate on.
I also think that you should be able to either purchase Freeform slots on Silver account, or purchase Freeform-ability for one of your old Freeform toons while you are playing Silver, but, again, this is something I think Cryptic would only feel justified offering when they've got a whole bunch more content that's locked (i.e. more Adventure Packs). I think it does ultimately make financial sense to have a "pay as you go" option as well as subscription, like Turbine do, but I think Cryptic probably need to get some more data in from the current situation before they can do that.
On the whole I think Cryptic have gotten it right considering their position (i.e. excellent Freeform system, slightly thin content at this stage), and I'm pretty sure they'll be reviewing the business model in time.
Certainly, I'm really cheered by the activity in the game now, it's truly heartwarming to see so many people having a ball. And I have indeed heard in Zone chat of quite a few people liking their free play so much that they have gone Gold, so hopefully this will pay big dividends for Cryptic, enough for them to really get the game to where it deserves to be, and where they no doubt want it to be - a real AAA title (albeit in the modern "casual MMO" mould).
I actually agree. I was DLing while reading about it, just to look, but then i read this fact. I cancelled it.
You would think the fact that they obviously bought the box would be enough to let old customers play the characters they have already created on silver. It definitely would have bought them in some customer good will and respect from their old player base returning to give their product another go.
Instead they create this bad taste right at the start... way to go
Apply the new system to new characters, sure, but c'mon.. these people ahve already spent money on your game.
Do they actually give customers who have bought the box previously any bonuses at all?
I wouldn't go back to CO UNLESS I paid for the privledge. By that I mean that having made several characters and having more then on at or near level cap, I would not be willing to give that up for the so-called "f2P" model. I would much rather pay a subscritption or purchase the LTS. However, I am already involved in three MMO's and don't see me laying down any more cash for another at the moment. CO to me was a pretty good game. I just have never been that much into comic books or any of the comic types characters. I my case, when I played CO, it was just a waypoint on the way to a game I was more interested in but had not been published yet. Still, CO is a good game and I recommend it to those that do like comics and/or action oriented games....IF you are going to pay. If you don't pay just remember, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
Let's party like it is 1863!
Went back for an hour checked out the changes and uninstalled
You get a game with enough content to level from 1-40 FOR FREE, playing an archetype toon that's basically analogous to the class-based toons in other MMOs.
Granted, the content is only just enough for 1-40 and there's little in the way of alternative levelling paths. But that's still a pretty decent free offering, IMHO. That's a fair amount of fun for the cost of nothing, if the gameplay clicks with you.
Come on, surely you didn't love ALL your old toons equally? I had 8 slots filled, with a couple of 40s. I looked at all my toons, weighed their "belovedness factor" and realised there was one of them I only got to early teens and hadn't really gotten into that much, so I deleted it, and started an AT (Marksman). (I could have converted it but I wanted to experience the tutorial and early mission flow changes from the start)
Now I'm having a whale of a time with the AT toon. For free.
As others have remarked on the messageboards, people keep wanting Cryptic's f2p business model to be like Turbine's, but they can't be the same because of CO's content thinness problem. IOW, CO can't afford to have a full "pay as you go" option with buyable or convertible Freeform slots yet. Maybe they will in the future, when they've made more Adventure Packs that can serve as the analogue of Turbine's locked content, but at the moment, the Freeform toon building is their only really big ace in the hole that they can offer to a subscriber, so it's understandable that as a returning ex-subscriber you can't get that for free.
I agree it would have made sense to have allowed pre-f2p ex-subscribers to keep maybe one or two toons as Freeform, as a courtesy, and so far as I am aware they have said that they did look at that option, among many others; but my guess is that would have been too much coding work when they had other more urgent things to code for the transition.
On the whole, though, I don't find much of a problem with the way Cryptic have handled it, even as an ex-subscriber. I thought I would, because I was mistrustful of the AT concept, but the ATs do seem to be perfectly viable for standard difficulty setting solo, while at the same time leaning on each other enough to make it worthwhile teaming on higher difficulty settings - i.e. much like CoX.
And I'm also looking forward to the next time I'll be able to justify a sub to CO so I can play some of my old beloved Freeform toons again
I had an account back after launch but was involved in another game at the time. So I closed my account my toon was only lvl 26 so I was not to concerned when the game went F2P. As for there pricing matrix I say it when you bought the box version you didnt buy the game you bought the rights to play there game you bought an account. This is what was told to me so many time in Lotro when it went F2P buy some many players. So ok we all didnt buy this game we bought right to have an account woohoo. But I didnt bother me that I had time vested in the game what matters to me is doing ethier type of pvp with my F2P toon and doing good or playing the game and having fun and thats what I am doing.]
Now sense it went to F2P I have spent enough for almost a 6 month sub and feel it was worth it bought
2 character slots
both Adventure packs
2 travel powers
couple bag slots
and extra bank space
And I still have points left over to see what new archtypes they will add over the next few months. I dont think playing F2P is all that bad the archtypes work out pretty good for what they are. I have tried each one, I even know few goold members and a Lifer who made some to see what there like and said they really like there archtype toon. So try it spend $12.50 and get some Atari points and buy 2 character slots make a few archtype toons and have fun.
To me this game has alot of good to it from character creation which is OMG IMO all the way down to the great and somewhat comical storys that if you seen alot of movies old and new you will catch the alot of what the games storys are based on. So if your a fan of Crimefighting or Superhero action this game has it, If your a fan of low budget movies or cult classic movies you see what I mean, And even if you just want to run around and beat up the bad guys and have some fun you can in this for free. So to all the haters of F2P model games and to all the old subbers I tell you what try it out it's free it wont hurt you to try it and it wont kill you ethier.
Well enjoy and have fun game are what you as a player make of it not what everyone else thinks.
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My comments have nothing to do with "content". My comments were based upon my former characters I created and the reasons I would not wish to convert them to the so-called "f2p" model. For I what you CAN GET by paying, it is a much more satifying experience then if you simply attempt to "play for free". Again, this has nothing to do with content.
Let's party like it is 1863!
I had fun in CO, basically got almost everything done on one character but I know nothing has "really" changed so even though I would like to go back I know there is nothing there for me. Except Zombie PVP which was awesome
I was addressing that by "analogous to class-based toons in other MMOs", i.e. what you get for free with CO, in terms of build systems, isn't noticeably of less value than what you'd pay for in an average MMO (i.e. the ATs, which amount to a fairly normal "class-based" build system) - plus you get sufficient content to level along with that.
I'd agree that the Freeform system is cool, and worth subscribing for too, but it's like something extra - the build system actually a bit more interesting than the average MMO in many ways. Whereas what you get for free is about comparable. (So the relevance of content: content is really what let CO down compared to other MMOs, because on other levels of comparison it comes out pretty well.)
Why should Cryptic give former subscribers freeform characters? Former subscribers are the people who left the game and quit paying for it. There's no mystery as to why they chose the Pay Options they did. It's the only thing they could possibly charge for. There's also no mystery about what's free and what's not. It's all on the website.
Cryptic did one of the few smart things they've done with any of their games with the F2P transition. People certainly have the privilege to whine if they want to, but Cryptic hasn't done anything in their F2P transition to deserver it.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
That is my point, I would not wish to play CO with characters that are simply "class based" cookie cutter characters. What makes CO unique is that amount of variation that can go into those free-form characters. FOR ME, it is the free-form that makes the game fun. Yes, you can play with cookie cutter characters....but it just is not as much fun. Therefore, TO ME, I would not play CO under the current so-called "f2p" model. Again, if I were to pay for a subscription or pay for the ability to make all my characters not free-form, I would do that....if I were able to go back CO. But then again, if I did that then my game would no longer be "f2p".
Let's party like it is 1863!
All the old players who stopped paying for the game? All the ones who quit? They'd be much better off getting good will from new players who aren't going to whine incessantly about how they have to pay for the freeform characters that everyone else would have to pay for.
* addendum * How about you get your freeform characters, but only for 3 months. That's about what everyone else could have freeform characters if they spent as much as the box price. Then you'd be on-par with everyone else.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
hopefully they will add an option to the store to allow a chosen character(s) to have an open open framework. From the feedback they are getting they would be stupid not to do it.