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Bye Guys, IGE Costs you yet another member!
Armant
Member Posts: 6
Since you guys refuse to respond concerning your support for the INFECTIOUS organization that destroys gameplay for hundreds of thousands of mmorpg players, I have decided to find a different community for my general mmorpg needs. It is a real shame that you who we are supposed to trust and who are supposed to be integrated in this industry are so willing to compromise the integrity of the industry that supports you. If you really are so desperate for money, check out the porn industry rather than advertise for the mmorpg virus that is IGE.
Its a real shame guys. I wish you hadn't sold out, and I look forward to your apology so that I can return.
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We have responded, apparently you didn't look very hard for said responses.
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Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Guild Wars is still an MMO.
Where have you responded? I've yet to see a single staff response to this subject myself.
Your dismissive attitude toward honest gamers is disgusting. This really is nothing more than a site for cheats and farmers.
There have been numerous posts in the past regarding IGE and our stance towards it and other website such as enotts. As for cheats and farmers, we deleted all threads regarding cheats and hacks in MMO's. I don't really think the site has anything to offer farmers other than what is on offer for the normal player.
*Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author... got sick of holding backspace.
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
Point to one, all I've ever found are the ignored complaints. And why is there still no poll to see what your membership thinks of your sellout?
Out-of-game trading is one of the most contentious issues in the MMOG player community today, but mmorpg.com won't start any poll that touches on it. Is that an indication of IGE restricting what you're allowed to show on this site? And if so, are there other sorts of information we might expect to be restricted or modified in return for their sponsorship?
you make a serious inquiring with them about a poll and then get "sell-out" in at the end? That was rather ignorant. Next time you might want to try actually being polite, you might find you get more responses that way.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Actually, we have responded SEVERAL times, back in the begining, but you know, we really only care to say the same things over and over so many times. New threads on this topic are started on a weekly, if not daily basis by people too lazy to search through the forums and find tone of the billion previous threads where it was discussed. And yes, if I remember correct there was even a poll in one of them.
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
*Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author... got sick of holding backspace.
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
"you make a serious inquiring with them about a poll and then get "sell-out" in at the end? That was rather ignorant. Next time you might want to try actually being polite, you might find you get more responses that way."
You know as well as I do they're never going to come clean. The difference is that it doesn't matter to you. The domain name mmorpg.com has unfortunately been squatted on by profiteers who don't respect the genre, and that will affect the type of membership they'll attract.
The point was really just to show support for an honest gamer like Armant for making a stand. No amount of politeness would ever produce that poll.
And I started the poll in question made on the boards. The mmorpg.com staff did not respond in any way to the vote, which was decidedly not indifferent. But what I'm asking for is an official poll that covers a statistically significant portion of the membership.
Odd, I have seen them explain themselves several times and I honestly don't feel they have a thing to "come clean" about. So I think you need to speak for yourself on that and not assume that everyone is backing your cause.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Actually no, thats NOT the poll in question, the polls in question were posted way back when we first put up the ads (starting with Enott's).
Come clean? Come clean about what exactly? Ok, here goes...
I admit, it costs money to run a site this large...
I admit, the bandwidth bills for this site must be astronomical...
I admit, yes, we infact do allow IGE to PAY US for advertising space on our site...
I admit, that it is through the sale of ad space like that that we're able to keep the site running and free to all of you, not how we line our pockets (trust me, only thing lining my pockets is lint)...
I admit, that if you don't like IGE, don't use them, looking at their ads alone isn't supporting them...
I admit, the secondary market isn't going anywhere, ever, as long as there are MMORPGs there will be a secondary market, get over it already...
I admit, I'm running out of things to admit to here...
I admit, this topic is probably the deadest horse in the history of dead horses...
I admit, we need to just make one stickied thread to discuss this on and anytime someone starts a new thread just delete the damn thing, cause the daily new thread on the subject is getting quite damn old...
I admit, I'm done now.
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
While I admire anyone who takes a stand for their beliefs, the fact of the matter is that no matter what MMO community you may go to...IGE still exists. They may not advertise on the sites you frequent, but they will keep on doing what they do. The best way to take a stand against IGE is not to buy their stuff. Apparently, not enough people have a similar opinion, otherwise they'd be out of business. The bottom line is that IGE sales will always affect you no matter where you run. Someone you play aginst tomorrow, will have bought from IGE yesterday.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Blaming our moderators about IGE advertising is like...
Blaming the US governement to have open trades with any non-democratic country. As far as I know, the US are doing a HUGE load of trades with non-democratics countries, who in turn abuse and kill innocents.
If you want, you can become an exile and leave the US, however, I am not sure there is any developped country option, they are all trading with non-democratics countries. As far as I know, Greenpeace is still located in the US despite all it complains.
IGE harm DAoC, EQ, WoW...but strangely, it dont even scratch games like CoH! Blame the devs, leave non-devs outside of this topic. They wont do the job the devs are supposed to do themselves with well thinked games, rather then lame setting where peoples farm stuff rather then ENJOY playing.
Please, dont forget to close the door when you exit, I dont want to get a cold.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I admit, this topic is probably the deadest horse in the history of dead horses...
That horse was zorro's horse wasnt it?
CoH isn't affected by out-of-game trading because it has no game economy.
That's not an answer, that's just another example of how profit farmers damage MMOGs; in this case by convincing developers to take these kinds of extreme measures to keep them out. The market economies of MMOGs are fun to play. Or at least they are when they aren't ruined by cheats, or disabled to discourage cheaters.
And this 'dead horse' topic continues because the majority of gamers are honest and are bothered by it, it's just a few cheats out there stinking things up for the rest of us. Even here on mmorpg.com, despite alienating honest gamers with their profit farmer friendly attitude, their own poll shows that a significant majority of thier remaining visitors feel that out-of-game sales "ruin games."
Think again!
CoH @ IGE: http://www.ige.com/games.aspx?CatId=14&lang=en
Not sure why people get so excited about virtual trading - come on all - these are GAMES people...GAMES!
Oh boy, this site really has some problems when you have more than 1 window open to it....
-In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08-
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RISING DRAGOON ~AION US ONLINE LEGION for Elyos
"making a stand" on forums that you're not paying for is easy to do. There are lots and lots of forums out there, and the good news is, it's easy to find one that fits your particular political bent. So, go and find one.
If these forums charged a fee, then it would be different. Then you'd have the right to complain as loudly as you like. But you're not a customer here, you're a guest. Your "rights" are limited, and your presence is welcome so long as the host tolerates your impoliteness.
Wipe your feet at the door, remember to put the lid down, and stop complaining about the ads. If your political views won't allow you to stop complaining about the ads, then please complain somewhere else. I'm sure that there are plenty of other places that share your views and would be more receptive of your politics.
Cheers!
-Mark
Now this is a member who needs to be around.
The people in that last topic need to learn from this.
-In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08-
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RISING DRAGOON ~AION US ONLINE LEGION for Elyos
I used to run my own gaming-related board, called Wildfire, some time ago. I've had a bit of practice with this argument.
Another ebayer joins the mix, and another honest player leaves. That's the story of the mmorpg.com forums.
Obviously cheats are going to have their fansites too. But as long as you're squatting on a generic domain name, you're going to get visits by gamers who haven't figured out what you are yet. Thus this regular stream of 'what the hell are you doing?' posts.
As many honest players as mmorpg.coms core fan base of 'win-by-ebay' gamers drive off, new ones will keep stopping by. Want it to end? Move to a more appropriate domain name. Otherwise you'll just have to deal.
Okay, I'm not an ebayer, as a matter of fact, I've never macro'd, used anyone else's account, been "power leveled". I do admit to a little twinking, when in Asheron's Call I designed a character to be as much like a "cleric" as I could, and the end result was he couldn't advance without significant help. That got to be so tiring I eventually deleted the character.
But aside from that, I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to MMORPGs. I don't like outside help. I find the idea of buying money, accounts, or items off of eBay to be a little repugnant.
However, I find "evangelicals" to be even more repugnant.
I am a bit of a newcomer here... so I guess I don't understand the issue over the domain name. Why, exactly, is there a problem with a MMORPG news site being called MMORPG.COM? Is this a problem because you don't like their advertisers? Or am I missing something?
Edit: I just re-read your post. Did you mean to imply that I'm not honest because of my viewpoint? That would be a shame if you felt that way.
I can remember a time when I found ebayers merely repugnant. It's a holdover attitude from single-player games, where the cheats only hurt themselves.
But we eventually run into one too many farmers, one too many unearned toons, one too many ballooned economies, and our impression of cheats and what they do to MMOGs begins to change.
It's not something we can simply not support and avoid its effects. The 5-10% of gamers that do cheat change the environment for everyone. Look at Lineage-2, that game ended up being competely soured by farmers and ebayers, despite the fact that the majority of its players never participated.
So I'm of the opinion that this is a subject that requires an active stance rather than passive acceptance. No tolerance for players that cheat, no acceptance of cheat companies, and debate opposing any organization that attempts to pass it off as a legitimate tactic. If that makes me an "evangelical" thats even more repugnant to you than a profit farmer, so be it.
Mmorpg.coms choice to partner with IGE is changing the makeup of its forum participants, because it's alienating the gamers that most strongly oppose cheating while attracting more of the gamers that do cheat. Time will tell how well you'll fit in.
You might have a better time getting converts if you take the intellectual high road and refrain from making statements designed primarily to inflame. If inflammatory tactics are all you've got, then all you'll attract will be 14-year-old PvP weenies who like to "protest" because it feels good. That won't help you.
Accusing MMORPG.COM of being a cybersquatter becuase you don't like what they allow on their site is quite silly.
However, there is another approach: Start a writing campaign. Put together a letter that uses facts (not emotional outbursts) to calmly and clearly state your case, get a lot of people to sign it, or endorse it somehow electronically, and get your message out.
If you get enough attention, you can build a site that praises MMORPG's that discourage eBaying and similar behavior, and chastises those who don't.
Gamers love bandwagons. Why not make one?
I volunteer to help write the letter.