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Dreamstrike idea
selika
Member Posts: 79
So I don't know if this has been discussed or not, I know dreamstrike has been brought up in other threads though for various reasons.
When using dreamstrike, if it's the same as it is in UL...If the Striker is Struck, then all his victims (if he had any) can come back. If someone avenges him with Strike, then he can come back. Basically saying, no one is permanently struck if revenge is sought.
Striker A has dreamstruck 3 others.
Striker B comes around to get revenge. He strikes Striker A.
Three dreamstruck return.
Stricker C comes around to get revenge for A, B disappears and A returns.
...and so on.
That, or if A were to come back because of C, then the 3 victims of A would disappear again.
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Sounds interesting, but would probably directly interfere with Illuminated ideology. "He came back to life?!" hehe
The walking dead, or it's a ghost could easily explain it
If illuminates believed their souls traveled to another plain to dream, what's to keep them from saying the ghost of someone is lost
It does make the Illuminate Belief harder to argue, but aside from that one amuzing thought...
Striker A comes back, successfully strikes two of the original three again, but the third strikes A, and the other two come back, again. Now if C wants A to come back, he/she would have to strike the third originall dreamer now (assuming B never came back).
....and life goes on
Guys, remember that Reclamation is NOT Underlight. Who says there will even BE illuminates?
Personally I think the idea has a lot of potential and could make things very interesting...
...however, when a character is dreamstruck you have to start over (In UL) with a new character.
When (and if) the dreamer that was struck has been avenged what would happen to their new character, assuming they have one of course. Would it become a secondary character? Would it be deleted? Would you be given the choice of your old character versus your new character? Where do babies come from? Why is Lyra so mysterious? Are they really a secret cult dedicated to taking over the world? If they are, can I be an evil overlord? If not, will you please not kill me Lyra? Also, what would happen to the people who were avenged if their dreamstriker's dreamstriker was dreamstruck? Would they all be re-struck?
-Questionhawk
Illuminate and Freesoul are the two beliefs on the Rec site
Perhaps if someone was struck and able to return, they lose a sphere or two, or all ranks they may have had in a house, some kind of downfall.
nighthawk there you go again thinking like an illuminate!!!! (he he he)
I like the idea Selika of course thats the freesoul in me :-P
Lyra should agree on what happens when you dreamstrike someone APPARENTLY. This is kinda big because while most people don't know each other in the waking world and are all on completely different shards. There is the possibility of osmeone rping that they are on a shard with person a) when this happens BSRP. They could try to rp it either way to counter the affect.
Mind you, a mental block that keeps you from dreaming is even MORE in support of illuminate then the dern person just dropping dead.
I like the drop dead idea, it's permanent and it makes you think before whipping it out. Of course IMHO it'd be cooler if it was a ceremony that involved several dreamers laying the final strike upon a soul sphere. Perhaps one should throw in an art to teporarily bind down a soulsphere in order to keep that person around long enough for the final blow.
But honestly, I like dead being dead. Then you odn't ahve people fragging each other like some crazy deathmatch trying to overturn strikes left and right.
Something to consider though with people dying in both planes. All the freesoul is trying to argue is that the dream is a mass hallucination with rules. The illuminate is trying to argue that the dream is a higher state of existence, a plane that is linked with the waking world.
Now an illuminate is going to pull his usual argument. "Oh yeah, dreamstrike can kill someone."
Freesoul, "And? Just because it's a shared dream doesn't make it seem real. Everything that happens here still involves emotion and a psychological response from the body. Who's to say this "magic" transcendent dreamstrike art is not in fact inflicting a severe psychosomatic trauma upon the body that is so severe that they die of shock? It isn't a direct strike at the living person, they just percieve it as direct enough to kill them, or at least break their psyche."
It's not too much of a stretch really....
Now, if dreamstrike just placed a block, hell I could go to town on that as an illuminate.
Freesoul "Dreamstrike doesn't kill the waking body though, it just blocks them from the dream?"
Illuminate "So, it places a ward so powerful upon the person that he is unable to dream lucidly anymore?"
Freesoul "yes"
illuminate "So, explain to me, how does it do this without actually affecting the person in the physical world? it sounds like you changed the actual victim on a fundamental level. How can you say that and still claim that nothing that happens in the dream directly affects someone."
And a thought on the binding of a soulsphere down to keep it around long enough for a dreamstrike, it would make soul evoke a LOT more important. Now that you can't just wake, you might need a means to force a restore on yourself long enough regain coherence so you an skeedadle.
Remember freesouls, admitting that something in the dream affected you in the waking world does not mean that you contradicted your beliefs. Just always point to it being an indirect side affect from the percieved reality of the dream. Think of it in terms of the matrix. Of course it's not as pronounced or major as in that movie. But it gives you a base to counter argue your point. In fact, once you bring that up, it opens you up to a counter, something along the lines of the illuminate and their hysterical "all this is another reality" is deluding the masses into thinkin this dreamstate is in fact another reality, and in this belief it is only making the reaction from various mental traumas much worse on their physical states because they are thinking it's all real. The illuminate in fact are promoting injury, chaos, and many other tragedies from people who are letting their minds get the better of them.
If I was a freesoul, at least, I'd argue along those lines. Suddenly you can take that illuminate arguing that you are harming the dream, and twist it around making it look like the illuminate is harming the dream. Also helps to sound incredulous, it's far fetched for these illuminate schmoes to be calling all this a linked reality with ours, make'em come up with proof.
Because only someone as deranged as me would have a rubber chicken Named Alfredo Sanchez
If anyone remembers the Chaos Ritual in UL, a certain amount of players were needed and a specific kind.
Striker reminded me of it with this... "Of course IMHO it'd be cooler if it was a ceremony that involved several dreamers laying the final strike upon a soul sphere. Perhaps one should throw in an art to teporarily bind down a soulsphere in order to keep that person around long enough for the final blow."
If more were involved in the 'Striking of someone, then at least it wouldn't be just a personal grudge (in most cases) or whatever. So many involved would also include more players and make it more of an RP to be played out instead of just BAM you're gone.
That's exactly the point Selika. The thing is I don't think it was technically possible in UL, but reclamation already has a few instances game wise where you need multiple people working together. This opens the door for other things doing the same deal, such as multiple poeple geting involved in a dreamstrike.
Anything major that involves a few people is always good since it forces them to coodrinate and rise above grudges.
Because only someone as deranged as me would have a rubber chicken Named Alfredo Sanchez
stfu freesoul = P
Guess I should read more before I post... Too bad I'm illiterate.
*floats Josh for being a banisher too*
BANISHING ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!
*floats nighthawk for being an imprisoner
....and life goes on