Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
Why does everyone choose the bad guy?
srsly, in WoW, Whorde alwyas out number Alliance. DC, more villans than hero's. And we all know everyone is going to roll a Sith in old republic. I don't get it, it scares me. To me this says that if America were invaded by "anyone", they would go with whom ever they see as the bad guy. Am I missing something here?
Comments
Yes actually.
Who told you that Horde are the bad guys? Those Alliance scams?
And who says that Sith are the bad guys? Those Rebel scams?
The reason I choose to be the bad guy in game is due to the fact that in real life you have to be the good guy all the time. It's fun to be the bad guy in game because it has no real life repercussions. At least that's how it is for me.
He makes a fair point...If you read te actual history and non pop culture reference stories in WoW you'll soon come to realise that the Alliance come soff as much more the bad guy than the Horde does but it not black adn white.
The Star Wars films on the other hand did tend to be more blakc and white however the KOTOR games and SW literature is less so with much more grey areas and personal motivations.
In a lot of cases though it's because the bad guys get cooler clothes and better lines!
ha, I knew someone was going to bring up this philisophical point of view, and heres my rebuttal...
Whorde: I will admit Orc's and Tauren's don't necisarily belong, however, they are part of a whole. I could tel you the little lore I know about each race, but you can't get past the fact that they have UNDEAD on their side. I mean common, they are hell bent on destroying all life and EAT flesh. Trolls - Shamanistic culture that believe in cannabalism.
Sith: Hmm, wanting people to live in piece and harmony vs. wanting everything to be dead and under the power of one "empire".
These don't neccicarily attack the philisophical reasoning, nothing really can as every side has its own point of view, however, their is the view of the mass "population" that usually win's something like this. If everyone would rather live in piece, then so be it. anyone who disurpts that is being evil.
Neither horde or alliance are evil in wow. They just don't get along with each other. The evil factions in wow are the scourge, burning legion, and such. Obviously there is evil members within both Horde, and Alliance. The sith aren't necessarily evil. In the expanded universe of Star Wars we see good people that have the best intentions going down the path of the sith, and getting corrupted by the dark side. But at the same time several non-jedi force religions revere both light, and dark sides or see no such distinciton without the members of the religeon ever becoming corrupted. The jedi philosophy requires them to sacrifice everything they are trying to protect in order to protect it. The Sith philosophy requires them to embrace those emotions that make you who you are in order to control. Not really a good/evil thing. Just a world view thing. The issue is that they have the ability to see possible futures, but outside of any context they don't have the full picture. That is why the Jedi require their members to sacrice family ties in order to protect families. I really don't know the comic book lore of DC so I can't make any arguements there. When you say America, and bring real world wars up. There is usually no clear distiction between good, and evil in a real world war. Most people on both sides are usually just regular people fighting to protect their families/homes. Such distictions about good/evil are made well after the fact.
<p align="center" style="font-family: arial;"><a href="http://www.wizards.com/magic/playmagic/whatcolorareyou.asp"; target="_blank"><img src="http://www.wizards.com/magic/images/whatcolor_isblue.jpg"; border="0"><br/><b>Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.</b></a></p>
Because who wants to be good all the time ? That is no fun.
well i'd say personally its because playing the 'good guy' is often boring.. being the bad guy.. can be a lot of fun.. Evil is the new Black.. er.. or something like that..
Huh, I guess things have changed a lot since I played WoW.
This, plus the bad guys usually look cooler, have better uniforms and other stuff.
I self identify as a monkey.
Yea but your argument on good and evil fails because you set the premise that the un-DEAD are bad cause they want everyone DEAD and that Trolls are evil because they are cannibals. You could EASILY make the same arguements about religion.
If you TRULY want to make the arguement, I could make a very strong case for the humans and the elves being deceptive and manipulative as well. In DC, some of the villains really AREN'T villains but people doing what they must to survive (whether it be steal, etc).
If I stole from a bank, you'd think I was a bad guy. But if I stole from a bank to feed my wife and kid, it'd be a different story? Instead of being a villain, I'd be Robin Hood.
I think that there are HUGE shades of gray. Sith aren't all necessarily evil, they just believe that peace comes through subjugation (and a very good point could be made here about some of the most civil/peaceful civilizations being very totalitarian in nature).
I don't play good guys OVER bad guys. But that's because I tend to be able to turn my perspective around. I CAN'T play Horde (I just don't dig the atmospheres). I, on the other hand, can easily play a Villain and act as such in DCUO. I like stuff like Eve, DAOC, and Rift because neither is right nor wrong. Just a LOT of grays and YOU decide what you prefer to believe (you pick your truth).
"srsly, in WoW, Whorde alwyas out number Alliance. "
Wrong
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php
And I would like to see your proof on the DCU matter.
I think to begin with it was more that you finally had to option to play the "other" side. I have noticed (and only my opion not ffact) that people are now starting to move back towards the good sides as they are now more of the under dog class/faction.
Who says America is the good guys?
My theme song.
My analisis by watching games and even movies only target to make pathetic losers feel better suggests that 90% of the world has really low self confidence and needs to feel better somehow and get confirmation that doesnt suck so he doesnt realise he sucks so hard and suicide...(last part=overexageration)
Games now give a really good FAKE feeling at making pathetic losers feel better and since ppl are stupid, they like that.
Paying money to feel better, hmm that reminds me of drugs
In case u are epicly stupid, it implies that pathetic losers need to feel better, groups also count for the same thing, entering a group that is known for being awesome or badass helps them psychologically and makes them live in a fake world
Playing the bad guys aka the badass for them is just another group that makes them feel better
How, or why would you waste your time, our time... on an unsubstantiated claim....?
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
Yeah, America is only the good guys if you are American. To the rest of the world you're the baddies!
I'd also like to see proof of your statistics, cos I was under the impression that more people played Alliance.
Always read the small print.
I'd like to see his DCUO proof. From what I've seen the Heroes far outway the villains on every server. Granted on the PvP servers the gap isn't as wide, but I still see more Heroes than VIllains when I log in. My que times as a Villain are 3x what they are as a Hero.
Personally in WoW I picked Hore because of the story in Warcraft 3. Alliance was full of self rightious ass hats too busy trying to stick to status quo instead of the greater good. Plus the kiddies like to play hero so they tend to pick alliance more.
I didn't play DC, but I'll tell you this much, the heros are just too damn 1 dimensional in general in the DC Multiverse. Yes there's batman, but he's not a typical hero either.
I personally play gray characters, if the choice is only black and white, I pick black, cause white in stories tend to force their morals and perspective on others.
I play 'the bad guy' in most games, because in my line of work, I'm forced to be 'the good guy'.
I am an American. LMAO
My theme song.
I tihnk one quote can resolve this conversation and end this thread...
"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb"
Sorry i am 2 lazy to put my entire thought process for stupid ppl to understand since they cant see how could someone reach that result, but with the current level of stupidity in earth someone must work for game industry to know such thinks i guess... sigh
playing the villian is preferred due to not having to stick to some shitty status quo and being able to do whatever the fuck i want.
Often there isn't real evil in games, or atleast can't play as one. It's not evil to hit a child, it's evil to cause life long pain for him and his family so they suffer for rest of their lives(not a short time)... And do this just for laughs or personal gain...
Evil is luring and it should offer better rewards and such... Of course it's all about perspective, terrorist <=> freedom fighters etc.
Only game which I have this far played which doesn't have neither good or evil is Withcer, and I'm waiting for Withcer 2, just because there isn't one truly moral option...
In WoW I played Horde, however, I do not see them as the bad guys, they are merely the underdogs. The Tauren are a peacful, natureloving race, the Orcs are ready for war but do not seek it, the Trolls have been torn apart by civil war and the undead...well okay maybe they're bad.
The Humans push to conquer the world and drive out the Orcs and Tauren on prejudicial bias and greed, the Gnomes are destructive by nature and ruin everything they touch, the Dwarves are much like the orcs and the Night Elves are much like the Tauren.
The short version is, the only truely evil race in WoW, IMO, are the humans.
In DCUO the badguys normally get the "sexier" things. Same with Star Wars; granted SWTOR will be better, but if you recall in KoTR Jedi's were given all light and happy spells while dark side players got choke and push and the fun stuff.