I knew it was fake once I saw the female player had boobs.
But yeah... anybody saying Rift looks like WoW needs their eyes and brains examined. Rift's graphics are up to date and look pretty good. AAAAND they run pretty smooth, even in ultra. Not the best, evvah, but top tier for an MMO.
Although taste is a personal thing and differs from one person to another, saying that Rift's graphics are (almost) as bad as WoW's I find severely colored opinion.
I think they're pretty good, not the best that there will be, but certainly beating a lot of other MMO's.
Here you see a collection of ingame sceneries and visuals, made by a fan:
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Debating graphics is pointless because its all about personal preference.
At the end of the day, its about what someone likes and that is neither good or bad or right or wrong.
So, if someone said Pong's gfx look better than Bioshock, you'd say their opinion has weight?
Nope,I would think they were crazy or blind or a combination of both (personally). However, I would understand that they must have a reason to prefer Pong. Maybe they like squares or played the game daily with their Brother who they miss or something like that so there is an added reason to like Pong over Bioshock.
Its the same with anything, especially entertainment, that people like. I prefer NASCAR to the NBA/MLB. I think 500 Days of Summer is the best movie made. I think Coldplay is the best band in existence. 99% of the people out there might disagree with me but since its my opinion and up for me to decide for myself, it doesn't make my opinion invalid.
The issue is we no longer (as a society) accept people's opinions for what they are but feel we MUST convincce them they are wrong and that MY opinion is the only right one. This is truly the sad state of society today and it really worries me about the years to come.
Funny, it seems to me a case more that in todays society no one is allowed to be right or wrong, we all just have opinions and everyone should just accept that and get along....far out dude. Let's face it, it will always boil down to an opinion and people are well and truly entitled to them, hell that's what forums are for. But some things can be somewhat black and white without the need to blame questioning someones perspective on something on a general malaise in society.
If someone loves and I mean really fucking loves squares/rectangles they may prefer the 'look' of Pong, but it's graphics ARE worse than that of the likes of Bioshock.
I'm amazed people are allowed to add scores to a review nowadays for fear of offending some poor soul.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
If someone says gravity isn't there and that you can fly away when you jump off a building, then that may be that person's opinion but he's still wrong.
If someone says the color red is better than blue or that icecream is better than pie, then that's just his opinion and personal taste. He may be right to some people with the same taste and wrong to other people with a different taste.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Debating graphics is pointless because its all about personal preference.
At the end of the day, its about what someone likes and that is neither good or bad or right or wrong.
So, if someone said Pong's gfx look better than Bioshock, you'd say their opinion has weight?
Nope,I would think they were crazy or blind or a combination of both (personally). However, I would understand that they must have a reason to prefer Pong. Maybe they like squares or played the game daily with their Brother who they miss or something like that so there is an added reason to like Pong over Bioshock.
Its the same with anything, especially entertainment, that people like. I prefer NASCAR to the NBA/MLB. I think 500 Days of Summer is the best movie made. I think Coldplay is the best band in existence. 99% of the people out there might disagree with me but since its my opinion and up for me to decide for myself, it doesn't make my opinion invalid. As long as I do not force my opinion on other's and my opinions does no harm to other's, then everything SHOULD be okay.
The issue is we no longer (as a society) accept one person's opinion for what it is but feel we MUST convincce them they are wrong and that MY opinion is the only right one. This is truly the sad state of society today and it really worries me about the years to come. There is no longer grey in our society and we want to see everything as right or wrong, good or bad, etc... Why? I have no clue but I think its that most people do not want to take the time and energy to formulate their own opinion based on research and the vailidity of data at hand.
For example, the WOW clone argument with Rift. Rift is not a WOW clone. Clone implies they are identical. YEs, there are similarities and Rift definately took its inspirtation from WOW, but they are two different games. However, the clone argument is easier and allows people to compartmentalize their thinking into good or bad. its easier; its the drive thru version of logical thinking.
It really is sad when you think about it because good debate gets lost in the pointless details. Sorry for the soapbox...going back to work now.
They may have a reason, but that doesn't give their argument weight when you are talking specifically about the graphics in the game. People are saying Rift looks like WoW, or Allods, and it's simply not true, and you can't just say their argument has weight "because opinions on such things are subjective". If someone tells you Anne Hathaway looks like Aunt Jemima, their opinion is worthless.
And on the last comment, sure, I agree with that. But this topic is explicitly about the gfx in the game. It's not about whether they prefer WoW or some other game to Rift; it's comparing the graphics, specifically. And it's one thing to say, "meh, the graphics don't do anything for me.", and quite another to say, "looks like WoW".
Sure. And Liv Tyler looks like Gary Coleman.
Edited last bit from Busey. My point isn't about Pretty vs. Ugly. My point is about things looking distinctively different.
I recently fired up AOC on my new gaming build and I have to say Rift ultra looks just as good as AOC on highest settings. Since Rift hasn't implemented DX11 settings yet, that's pretty impressive.
And the difference is, with the first example, scientific data can be utilized to prove him incorrect without a shadow of a doubt and tests can be performed to prove it as well.
Although it isn't as concrete a measure as scientific calculations and empiric evidence towards gravity, still polygon count and texture detail can be utilized to determine which MMO graphics have the edge, combined with the more subjective measurement of art design.
To use an extreme example:
newer MMO's have better graphics than EQ. While EQ's world was definitely atmospheric - good art design - the difference in texture detail and polygon counts makes it so that newer AAA MMO's without a doubt beat EQ in the graphics department.
So, higher texture detail and polygon count enables designers to create better graphics. Doesn't mean that they always will be better - as LotrO's environment graphics compared with newer MMO's prove - but they have the potential of being better if texture detail and polygon count are higher.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Although taste is a personal thing and differs from one person to another, saying that Rift's graphics are (almost) as bad as WoW's I find severely colored opinion.
I think they're pretty good, not the best that there will be, but certainly beating a lot of other MMO's.
Here you see a collection of ingame sceneries and visuals, made by a fan:
The graphics themselves really are not great at all. Games nowadays add so much bloom effect, it tricks your eyes to think that the graphics are better then they actually are.
Anyone that thinks this game looks like WoW needs to get their eyes examined or try another game other than WoW.
Lotro, FFXIV,WAR,GW2 and AoC all extensively use zoning, where as Rift is seamless world like WoW and VG so you can't compare them.
I am not sure on SWTOR but i believe it also using zoning.
LotrO, FFXIV and SWTOR don't use extensive zoning at all, they're seamless as WoW and even better in SWTOR's case (seamless transitioning between instances and open world)
The discussion wasn't about how each MMORPG makes it happen, it was about the quality of their graphics. Of course they can be compared.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Even in ultra its pants. Can u honestly say the water effects are good???? erm no
Erm, yes. I'm actually playing the game on ultra instead of trying to desypher an opinion over some youtube video of unknown quality.
The underwater distortion effect is hands down the most believable thing I've seen in an MMO as far as water is concerned. It actually looks like water, as opposed to other MMOs that looks like you're swimming through thick glass. Above water surface is decent (among the better ones), but I've seen better ones in DX10+ able games.
I agree and was going to say the same thing.
the underwater effects are one of the first I've seen that emulate what it's like to be under water. Above water is ok, lotro is better. But underwater looks like water.
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I played in the beta and I think the graphics looked pretty good.
The only "gotcha" that I see is that when I look at the hardware requirements for Rift and compare them to AoC which, IMO, is a much better looking game, I have to wonder about the underlying engine. AoC does so much more from animations on down with much less of a hardware requirement.
Of course, with enough hardware you can overpower anything and it becomes a moot point. Even then, if graphics is your main draw to a game, then you're definitely playing in the wrong genre. Rift covers the bases quite well. Its not the best but if the game play is great it doesn't have to be.
Lotro, FFXIV,WAR,GW2 and AoC all extensively use zoning, where as Rift is seamless world like WoW and VG so you can't compare them.
I am not sure on SWTOR but i believe it also using zoning.
LotrO, FFXIV and SWTOR don't use extensive zoning at all, they're seamless as WoW and even better in SWTOR's case (seamless transitioning between instances and open world)
The discussion wasn't about how each MMORPG makes it happen, it was about the quality of their graphics. Of course they can be compared.
I thought FFXIV had load screens between each and very region not sure so i can't confirm. Lotor was kinda of hybrid it used zones in buildings and so on. The design matters because zoning will allow you keep poly count much higher than having a seamless game world design. For example AoC when it first came out the player cap for each instance of tortaga was much lower cause engine ( as well as most PCs) simply couldn't large number of players.
tbh ..and all jokeing aside...it looks like a f2p game..if i didnt know what it was i would think its some new f2p game because the interface / hotbuttons look the same as allods / wow
We both realize this is a lie and yet you still post this. I wonder what the reasoning is. It
Although taste is a personal thing and differs from one person to another, saying that Rift's graphics are (almost) as bad as WoW's I find severely colored opinion.
I think they're pretty good, not the best that there will be, but certainly beating a lot of other MMO's.
Here you see a collection of ingame sceneries and visuals, made by a fan:
- Rift beats WoW, EQ2, Vanguard, WAR, LotrO, SWTOR
- TERA, GW2, AoC, Aion and FFXIV have better character model graphics
environment graphics (imo):
- Rift beats WoW, EQ2 and WAR
- Rift is slightly better than VG (VG can have incredible vista shots) and Aion
- Rift is on par with TERA
- FFXIV, LotrO, and AoC are slightly better than Rift, LotrO having less detail but more atmospheric while AoC has more detail but is less atmospheric
- GW2, SWTOR and ArcheAge beat Rift
I think Rift's character models do beat WoW, EQ2 and Vanguard as well as lotro. I will want to see SWToR in action first on release.
As far as envrionments I was looking at some expansive vistas last night and Vangaurd does have Rfit beat in that department. There simply is more detail in a Vanguard shot where the Rift shot seems rather bland. LOTRO is also better and has more detail.
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I think Rift's character models do beat WoW, EQ2 and Vanguard as well as lotro. I will want to see SWToR in action first on release.
As far as envrionments I was looking at some expansive vistas last night and Vangaurd does have Rfit beat in that department. There simply is more detail in a Vanguard shot where the Rift shot seems rather bland. LOTRO is also better and has more detail.
Vanguard is a severely system heavy game. It better have incredible graphics, but there is
also a reason it is not owning the market either. An easy criticism from the most hardcore
fan is the animations need some work in Rift.
The enviroment is on par with Korean style games. It is something you have to play to
understand, but it is pretty nice without burning out your gfx card.
i know still not great but rift is not a whole shit ton ahead... WoW is 7 years old give me a break if rifts graphics are good you are naive.
Finally someone posting current WoW-screenshots, and not BETA-screens... !
WoW has up to date graphics engines sort of. When they talk about WoW they mean the art style.
People are looking for more realism in their characters and WoW art style just does not head
that direction.
"People"? Some perhaps, some not. It's a matter of taste in that case, not a matter of which is a matter of fact "better". I simply wanted to point out that the screenshot used by the OP was grossly understated in terms of how nice it looks. But it works great for his/hers lackluster and biased argument.
i know still not great but rift is not a whole shit ton ahead... WoW is 7 years old give me a break if rifts graphics are good you are naive.
Finally someone posting current WoW-screenshots, and not BETA-screens... !
Every time someone wants to show how great current WoW graphics are, this exact same officially released picture is being shown, none other. I'm unconvinced. I've seen a lot of post-CATA screenshots on highest settings from friends and guildforums I visit, so I know how current WoW can look like.
Rift looks a hell of a lot better, simple as that.
NB: I'm talking about graphical quality here, not art design which is a matter of taste.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
i know still not great but rift is not a whole shit ton ahead... WoW is 7 years old give me a break if rifts graphics are good you are naive.
Finally someone posting current WoW-screenshots, and not BETA-screens... !
Every time someone wants to show how great current WoW graphics are, this exact same officially released picture is being shown, none other. I'm unconvinced. I've seen a lot of post-CATA screenshots on highest settings from friends and guildforums I visit, so I know how current WoW can look like.
Rift looks a hell of a lot better, simple as that.
NB: I'm talking about graphical quality here, not art design which is a matter of taste.
There is no doubt Blizzard updated their water (then again, so did Paragon with CoX). However, WoW trees are still WoW trees - garbage 2D giving the pseudo appearance of 3D.
These days everybody has water and environmental effects...
...but not everybody has decent trees. The leaves and brances in WoW trees are garbage. There is no getting around that. Hop on your flying mount - go look... painful.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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http://www.gamingweez.com/resources/rift_mmo_dwarf1.jpg
a "Next Gen" MMO should not have this low of poly counts lol... its sad realy.
I knew it was fake once I saw the female player had boobs.
But yeah... anybody saying Rift looks like WoW needs their eyes and brains examined. Rift's graphics are up to date and look pretty good. AAAAND they run pretty smooth, even in ultra. Not the best, evvah, but top tier for an MMO.
Is this trying to be sarcastic? I don't understand the joke.
So, if someone said Pong's gfx look better than Bioshock, you'd say their opinion has weight?
Although taste is a personal thing and differs from one person to another, saying that Rift's graphics are (almost) as bad as WoW's I find severely colored opinion.
I think they're pretty good, not the best that there will be, but certainly beating a lot of other MMO's.
Here you see a collection of ingame sceneries and visuals, made by a fan:
short Rift ingame video
extended Rift ingame video
If I had to compare graphics, I'd say
character models:
- Rift beats WoW, EQ2, Vanguard, WAR, LotrO, SWTOR
- TERA, GW2, AoC, Aion and FFXIV have better character model graphics
environment graphics (imo):
- Rift beats WoW, EQ2 and WAR
- Rift is slightly better than VG (VG can have incredible vista shots) and Aion
- Rift is on par with TERA
- FFXIV, LotrO, and AoC are slightly better than Rift, LotrO having less detail but more atmospheric while AoC has more detail but is less atmospheric
- GW2, SWTOR and ArcheAge beat Rift
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Funny, it seems to me a case more that in todays society no one is allowed to be right or wrong, we all just have opinions and everyone should just accept that and get along....far out dude. Let's face it, it will always boil down to an opinion and people are well and truly entitled to them, hell that's what forums are for. But some things can be somewhat black and white without the need to blame questioning someones perspective on something on a general malaise in society.
If someone loves and I mean really fucking loves squares/rectangles they may prefer the 'look' of Pong, but it's graphics ARE worse than that of the likes of Bioshock.
I'm amazed people are allowed to add scores to a review nowadays for fear of offending some poor soul.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
If someone says gravity isn't there and that you can fly away when you jump off a building, then that may be that person's opinion but he's still wrong.
If someone says the color red is better than blue or that icecream is better than pie, then that's just his opinion and personal taste. He may be right to some people with the same taste and wrong to other people with a different taste.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
They may have a reason, but that doesn't give their argument weight when you are talking specifically about the graphics in the game. People are saying Rift looks like WoW, or Allods, and it's simply not true, and you can't just say their argument has weight "because opinions on such things are subjective". If someone tells you Anne Hathaway looks like Aunt Jemima, their opinion is worthless.
And on the last comment, sure, I agree with that. But this topic is explicitly about the gfx in the game. It's not about whether they prefer WoW or some other game to Rift; it's comparing the graphics, specifically. And it's one thing to say, "meh, the graphics don't do anything for me.", and quite another to say, "looks like WoW".
Sure. And Liv Tyler looks like Gary Coleman.
Edited last bit from Busey. My point isn't about Pretty vs. Ugly. My point is about things looking distinctively different.
Although it isn't as concrete a measure as scientific calculations and empiric evidence towards gravity, still polygon count and texture detail can be utilized to determine which MMO graphics have the edge, combined with the more subjective measurement of art design.
To use an extreme example:
newer MMO's have better graphics than EQ. While EQ's world was definitely atmospheric - good art design - the difference in texture detail and polygon counts makes it so that newer AAA MMO's without a doubt beat EQ in the graphics department.
So, higher texture detail and polygon count enables designers to create better graphics. Doesn't mean that they always will be better - as LotrO's environment graphics compared with newer MMO's prove - but they have the potential of being better if texture detail and polygon count are higher.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Lotro, FFXIV,WAR,GW2 and AoC all extensively use zoning, where as Rift is seamless world like WoW and VG so you can't compare them.
I am not sure on SWTOR but i believe it also using zoning.
The graphics themselves really are not great at all. Games nowadays add so much bloom effect, it tricks your eyes to think that the graphics are better then they actually are.
Anyone that thinks this game looks like WoW needs to get their eyes examined or try another game other than WoW.
LotrO, FFXIV and SWTOR don't use extensive zoning at all, they're seamless as WoW and even better in SWTOR's case (seamless transitioning between instances and open world)
The discussion wasn't about how each MMORPG makes it happen, it was about the quality of their graphics. Of course they can be compared.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I agree and was going to say the same thing.
the underwater effects are one of the first I've seen that emulate what it's like to be under water. Above water is ok, lotro is better. But underwater looks like water.
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I played in the beta and I think the graphics looked pretty good.
The only "gotcha" that I see is that when I look at the hardware requirements for Rift and compare them to AoC which, IMO, is a much better looking game, I have to wonder about the underlying engine. AoC does so much more from animations on down with much less of a hardware requirement.
Of course, with enough hardware you can overpower anything and it becomes a moot point. Even then, if graphics is your main draw to a game, then you're definitely playing in the wrong genre. Rift covers the bases quite well. Its not the best but if the game play is great it doesn't have to be.
I thought FFXIV had load screens between each and very region not sure so i can't confirm. Lotor was kinda of hybrid it used zones in buildings and so on. The design matters because zoning will allow you keep poly count much higher than having a seamless game world design. For example AoC when it first came out the player cap for each instance of tortaga was much lower cause engine ( as well as most PCs) simply couldn't large number of players.
We both realize this is a lie and yet you still post this. I wonder what the reasoning is. It
makes me question your intentions.
I think Rift's character models do beat WoW, EQ2 and Vanguard as well as lotro. I will want to see SWToR in action first on release.
As far as envrionments I was looking at some expansive vistas last night and Vangaurd does have Rfit beat in that department. There simply is more detail in a Vanguard shot where the Rift shot seems rather bland. LOTRO is also better and has more detail.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Vanguard is a severely system heavy game. It better have incredible graphics, but there is
also a reason it is not owning the market either. An easy criticism from the most hardcore
fan is the animations need some work in Rift.
The enviroment is on par with Korean style games. It is something you have to play to
understand, but it is pretty nice without burning out your gfx card.
Finally someone posting current WoW-screenshots, and not BETA-screens... !
WoW has up to date graphics engines sort of. When they talk about WoW they mean the art style.
People are looking for more realism in their characters and WoW art style just does not head
that direction.
"People"? Some perhaps, some not. It's a matter of taste in that case, not a matter of which is a matter of fact "better". I simply wanted to point out that the screenshot used by the OP was grossly understated in terms of how nice it looks. But it works great for his/hers lackluster and biased argument.
Every time someone wants to show how great current WoW graphics are, this exact same officially released picture is being shown, none other. I'm unconvinced. I've seen a lot of post-CATA screenshots on highest settings from friends and guildforums I visit, so I know how current WoW can look like.
Rift looks a hell of a lot better, simple as that.
NB: I'm talking about graphical quality here, not art design which is a matter of taste.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
There is no doubt Blizzard updated their water (then again, so did Paragon with CoX). However, WoW trees are still WoW trees - garbage 2D giving the pseudo appearance of 3D.
These days everybody has water and environmental effects...
...but not everybody has decent trees. The leaves and brances in WoW trees are garbage. There is no getting around that. Hop on your flying mount - go look... painful.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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This is the reality of current WoW graphics. Highest settings. Not sure what game the screenshot the other guy posted is from.
http://img209.imageshack.us/i/craparmor.jpg/
That is pretty much as good as it gets. Not that it's bad. It's just different.