I'm surprised one of the staff members mentioned actually enjoying reading the quest text. This is one game where I was passing on most of the quest text 'cause it was simply too boring. It was fine at the beginning during the tutorial area, but not long after got boring.
Honesly, nowadays, I'd prefer if there were fewer quests in an MMO - but the quests there were actually mattered and were awesome. I'd rather long, drawn-out quest chains that are awesome from the beginning and end very epic and rewardingly.
But that's just me.
No, not just you. I am SO tired of mindless quests. :I
Agreed, it's not quests that are the problem, it's 'jobs'.
Rift is rammed full of 'jobs'.
EQ2's heritage quests are a great example of what I would like to see in a themepark game (for now at least, until we evolve out of this WoW/ Aion/ Rift ghetto we have found ourself in).
@Divlas Let's keep in mind that this is NOT a review, merely the game experiences of a couple players. The review will be issued in a month or so.
For those who want more coverage of sandbox titles: There is a box on the right side of your screen that says "know something we don't" that allows you to submit news tips.
Teh, IMVPO even staff is permitted to their own opinion.
This idea that reviews are objective is just a myth anyway. So I advise the advanced reader to try to differ between what is opinion and what is fact. It's not so hard to read.
That aside, I can't share the notion of the staff, however. (While I can respect that some see the game this way.) I agree it is beautiful. I can't understand why some say otherwise here. But I found the game quests utterly bland, the combat conservative, replayability zero and overall I felt quited bored around level 20+. And as I said many times, the respawn is WAAAAY too fast and hectic for my taste.
I agree that the cities and hubs are lifeless. Alas an issue of many MMOs. Something WOW just has made SO much better.
I think the environments are lovely in terms of art, no problems with saying that, but I think the models and gear design are crud.
Really? Really people? get over yourselves. 1: ui is like WAR, LOTRO 2: no mods, no macros to speak of yet 3: 4 specs and pvp trees that are separate from pve trees.
EQ2's heritage quests are a great example of what I would like to see in a themepark game (for now at least, until we evolve out of this WoW/ Aion/ Rift ghetto we have found ourself in).
Heh, funny, I was under the impression that no one is chained or tied up to any MMORPG let alone WoW, Aion or Rift.
Meaning, there's Earthrise, DCUO, Ryzom, classic EQ, EVE, Xsyon, GW, CoX, VG, Darkfall, FE and a whole bunch of other non-WoW style/themepark MMO's around.
Or to stay in the analogy, you don't have to live in the WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto, there's a lot of other different districts to stay in. If you find yourselves in the WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto that you dislike while there are so many other districts around, then that's because you chose to be there
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Rift has one thing many of the recent MMO releases did not. A complete endgame at release.
One you are level 50, there are 10 "expert" mode dungeons to do. These are the same dungeons you went to while leveling, with different bosses, a slightly different layout/story and MUCH harder difficulty. Plus, there are several 10 man "raid rifts" which are like mini raids you do in the open zones using a crafted lure to open the raid. Also, there is currently one 20 man raid in the game.
On top of that, Trion has two more raids already completed and slated for release within 60 days. One is another tier 1 raid, and the other is Hammerknel, which is a tier 2 raid rumored to have a double digit amount of bosses and be quite large in size.
If your looking for a new MMO, and like the traditional high fantasy type of game, give Rift a look. The dev team at Trion is top notch, and knows that to keep their customers they need to keep the game fresh with content. I know I sound fanboyish here, but seriously Trion does not mess around, and they have done nothing but impress throughout beta and into release. If they can keep it up, Rift will be a major player in the market for quite some time.
EQ2's heritage quests are a great example of what I would like to see in a themepark game (for now at least, until we evolve out of this WoW/ Aion/ Rift ghetto we have found ourself in).
Heh, funny, I was under the impression that no one is chained or tied up to any MMORPG let alone WoW, Aion or Rift.
Meaning, there's Earthrise, DCUO, Ryzom, classic EQ, EVE, Xsyon, GW, CoX, VG, Darkfall, FE and a whole bunch of other non-WoW style/themepark MMO's around.
Or to stay in the analogy, you don't have to live in the WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto, there's a lot of other different districts to stay in. If you find yourselves in the WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto that you dislike while there are so many other districts around, then that's because you chose to be there
where did I say I was chained anywhere?
And no, I choose NOT to be there, hence me not playing this particular themepark MMO.
I will indeed wait for another district to be opened in the sub genre that suits me, one that is built by passionate devs and not accountants.
I'm surprised one of the staff members mentioned actually enjoying reading the quest text. This is one game where I was passing on most of the quest text 'cause it was simply too boring. It was fine at the beginning during the tutorial area, but not long after got boring.
Honesly, nowadays, I'd prefer if there were fewer quests in an MMO - but the quests there were actually mattered and were awesome. I'd rather long, drawn-out quest chains that are awesome from the beginning and end very epic and rewardingly.
But that's just me.
No, not just you. I am SO tired of mindless quests. :I
Agreed, it's not quests that are the problem, it's 'jobs'.
Rift is rammed full of 'jobs'.
EQ2's heritage quests are a great example of what I would like to see in a themepark game (for now at least, until we evolve out of this WoW/ Aion/ Rift ghetto we have found ourself in).
Good quests:
- many of LOTRO's quests, especially the Book Quest
- AoC in Tortage
- WOW new "old World" post Cata, like Westfall or Redridge
Just imvpo^^
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Rift has one thing many of the recent MMO releases did not. A complete endgame at release.
One you are level 50, there are 10 "expert" mode dungeons to do. These are the same dungeons you went to while leveling, with different bosses, a slightly different layout/story and MUCH harder difficulty. Plus, there are several 10 man "raid rifts" which are like mini raids you do in the open zones using a crafted lure to open the raid. Also, there is currently one 20 man raid in the game.
On top of that, Trion has two more raids already completed and slated for release within 60 days. One is another tier 1 raid, and the other is Hammerknel, which is a tier 2 raid rumored to have a double digit amount of bosses and be quite large in size.
If your looking for a new MMO, and like the traditional high fantasy type of game, give Rift a look. The dev team at Trion is top notch, and knows that to keep their customers they need to keep the game fresh with content. I know I sound fanboyish here, but seriously Trion does not mess around, and they have done nothing but impress throughout beta and into release. If they can keep it up, Rift will be a major player in the market for quite some time.
That's the problem, though, having a few raid dungeons at launch isn't anything special as just about every mmo matures to encompass an endgame, but the critical point is that by selling the game on end-game you are basically saying that the game to get there isn't particularly worthwhile. Aion was the same grind away then PvP siege at max level.
Rift is a big well made chocolate cake. If you want chocolate cake and if you like chocolate cake then you won't be disappointed in Rift. It is moist and has a well made buttercream frosting and they have even added sprinkles and a few candles to make it a bit special.
But no matter how well made a chocolate cake it might be if you are looking for beef stew then you are not going to be impressed and you are not going to be happy and at the end you will be unfullfilled and full of useless calories.
Don't be fooled by the pictures of a chocolate cake on the cover of the Rift box as what is inside is just chocolate cake please go purchase a can of stew if that is what you are in the mood for. Don't blame us if you end up fat and with pimples after you consume your share of Rift.
That's the problem, though, having a few raid dungeons at launch isn't anything special as just about every mmo matures to encompass an endgame, but the critical point is that by selling the game on end-game you are basically saying that the game to get there isn't particularly worthwhile. Aion was the same grind away then PvP siege at max level.
I'm skeptical of this whole end-game business, but I'm an ex-DAOC player. No game can even compare to DAOC's endgame, and I doubt Rift will be much different. More of that gear grinding raiding bs I couldn't care less about, I'm afraid. That said, I'm enjoying the levelling up bit. I find it feels less repetitive than most MMOs (e.g. WoW and Aion) and I love the character development system.
My biggest complaints are the lack of RP fluff and diversity. Too much of the armor looks the same, and most of it looks like crap. No item remodelling or appearance slots. Visual aesthetic stuff like that, but overall, I'm liking it more than any other MMO I've tried in a long time.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
All that matters is that I am having a blast! I can't stop playing this game. The more I get into the soul trees the more badass my charecter is to play. The graphics are so good turned all the way up that sometimes I just stopped and look around. I've been playing a ton and can't wait to hit cap. In fact I will most likely be making an alt as soon as I hit 50 to level slower in conjunction with doing end game stuff on my warrior. SO MUCH FUN!!!
Rift is a big well made chocolate cake. If you want chocolate cake and if you like chocolate cake then you won't be disappointed in Rift. It is moist and has a well made buttercream frosting and they have even added sprinkles and a few candles to make it a bit special.
But no matter how well made a chocolate cake it might be if you are looking for beef stew then you are not going to be impressed and you are not going to be happy and at the end you will be unfullfilled and full of useless calories.
Don't be fooled by the pictures of a chocolate cake on the cover of the Rift box as what is inside is just chocolate cake please go purchase a can of stew if that is what you are in the mood for. Don't blame us if you end up fat and with pimples after you consume your share of Rift.
Haha, a nice analogy.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
EQ2's heritage quests are a great example of what I would like to see in a themepark game (for now at least, until we evolve out of this WoW/ Aion/ Rift ghetto we have found ourself in).
Heh, funny, I was under the impression that no one is chained or tied up to any MMORPG let alone WoW, Aion or Rift.
Meaning, there's Earthrise, DCUO, Ryzom, classic EQ, EVE, Xsyon, GW, CoX, VG, Darkfall, FE and a whole bunch of other non-WoW style/themepark MMO's around.
Or to stay in the analogy, you don't have to live in the WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto, there's a lot of other different districts to stay in. If you find yourselves in the WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto that you dislike while there are so many other districts around, then that's because you chose to be there
and since Ryzom is going Freemium, a game that some people consider the ultimate sandbox, there really is no reason.
But people will find issue with Ryzom as well.
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Oh no!! Not another positive Rift article! Haters and Trolls incomming!! ^^ I feel much the way about Rift myself. Its an enjoyable, well polished game. I'm not looking for the One True Game(tm) as some here seem to be. But I do wish all of those still engaged in that endless chase, the very best of luck. I'm quite enjoying Rift. The rifts and invasions add quite a bit to the game, and make it feel more alive. Not to mention not having to spam chat for a group is really nice.
But seriously, isnt there ANYONE on the MMORPG.COM staff that likes sandbox titles with a little bit of depth?
I thought everyone here loved EVE
It is old news, and space based, FFA PvP which makes it quite of a nische game (even more so than for just sandbox).
My argument is that we haven't seen a sandbox title with a bit of depth since EVE.
Given what these titles cost to produce, and the limited audience for them in the western markets, thats hardly surprising. Lets face it, "sand box" games tend to attract more than their share of a certain type of player. These players tend to get their jollies from ruining the play experience of other players. Thats just not good for a companies business model in the modern western markets. Theme park games (like WoW and Rift) on the other hand, target a much larger section of the audience. Thus its hardly a surprise that the suits and investors focus on theme park games.
But anyhow, using the analogy anyhow, a lot of people were in fact looking for choccy cake and after reading the box thought this was gonna be a luxury giant choccy cake that might last them a while.
When they opened the box though they found out that the cake was tiny, undecorated, and tasted stale.
But seriously, isnt there ANYONE on the MMORPG.COM staff that likes sandbox titles with a little bit of depth?
I thought everyone here loved EVE
It is old news, and space based, FFA PvP which makes it quite of a nische game (even more so than for just sandbox).
My argument is that we haven't seen a sandbox title with a bit of depth since EVE.
Given what these titles cost to produce, and the limited audience for them in the western markets, thats hardly surprising. Lets face it, "sand box" games tend to attract more than their share of a certain type of player. These players tend to get their jollies from ruining the play experience of other players. Thats just not good for a companies business model in the modern western markets. Theme park games (like WoW and Rift) on the other hand, target a much larger section of the audience. Thus its hardly a surprise that the suits and investors focus on theme park games.
A game that is a sandbox in design doesn't necessarily have to have FFA PvP. SWG:Pre-NGE is often held up as a fantastic sandbox game, and it had no FFA PVP. I would guess that most people who like sandbox games aren't advocating for pre-Trammel UO style gameplay.
EQ2's heritage quests are a great example of what I would like to see in a themepark game (for now at least, until we evolve out of this WoW/ Aion/ Rift ghetto we have found ourself in).
Heh, funny, I was under the impression that no one is chained or tied up to any MMORPG let alone WoW, Aion or Rift.
Meaning, there's Earthrise, DCUO, Ryzom, classic EQ, EVE, Xsyon, GW, CoX, VG, Darkfall, FE and a whole bunch of other non-WoW style/themepark MMO's around.
Or to stay in the analogy, you don't have to live in the WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto, there's a lot of other different districts to stay in. If you find yourselves in the WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto that you dislike while there are so many other districts around, then that's because you chose to be there
where did I say I was chained anywhere?
And no, I choose NOT to be there, hence me not playing this particular themepark MMO.
I will indeed wait for another district to be opened in the sub genre that suits me, one that is built by passionate devs and not accountants.
You're (purposely?) missing the point: there's already a lot of different districts to be in, no need for waiting at all.
As for saying that you're chained, these are your words: until we evolve out of this WoW/ Aion/ Rift ghetto we have found ourself in
'you have found yourselves in?'
Get real. There's all kinds of choice, saying that you've 'found yourself in a WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto' negates any active choosing from your side or looking for different MMO's, as if there are no other MMO's around.
Which is a blatant lie, there are lots of all kinds of MMO's, you just chose not to seek them out if the situation happens that you 'find yourself in a WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto'. Simple as that.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
It’s interesting that people demand sandbox games but then don’t play them. Then spend all their time on blogs posting comments on how theme park games suck. I don’t classify Eve as sandbox; it is a very large single server theme park game…just my opinion.
I have been able to be in the beta for Rift since day 1 but found nothing that commanded my attention.I have evolved personally away from just ranting because because . I really have nothing positive to say about Rift.It's another new game.It doesn't bring to me what I am looking for, which is a game with a great 24/7 faction vs faction element.So I play Civilization 5 and wait for GW 2 ....End of nations....or Planetside 2.
It quickly becomes possible to solo minor rifts 2 levels above your current level.
In fact, I noticed a pattern here. I could always solo any mobs exactly 2 levels above me, but mobs 3 levels above me only occasionally, and only if I used every skill I had on a long cooldown. This seems intentional, but it felt awkward, because it was predictable. Always with the two level thing.
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Agreed, it's not quests that are the problem, it's 'jobs'.
Rift is rammed full of 'jobs'.
EQ2's heritage quests are a great example of what I would like to see in a themepark game (for now at least, until we evolve out of this WoW/ Aion/ Rift ghetto we have found ourself in).
I think the environments are lovely in terms of art, no problems with saying that, but I think the models and gear design are crud.
IMO ofc.
"Rift is a WoW clone"
Really? Really people? get over yourselves. 1: ui is like WAR, LOTRO 2: no mods, no macros to speak of yet 3: 4 specs and pvp trees that are separate from pve trees.
sooooo how is it a wow clone again??? hmm hmm?
Heh, funny, I was under the impression that no one is chained or tied up to any MMORPG let alone WoW, Aion or Rift.
Meaning, there's Earthrise, DCUO, Ryzom, classic EQ, EVE, Xsyon, GW, CoX, VG, Darkfall, FE and a whole bunch of other non-WoW style/themepark MMO's around.
Or to stay in the analogy, you don't have to live in the WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto, there's a lot of other different districts to stay in. If you find yourselves in the WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto that you dislike while there are so many other districts around, then that's because you chose to be there
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I absolutely cannot wait for the information to come out on The Secret World, Kinda hoping this means it's getting a bit closer to being released
The Secret World is the game I'm waiting for. Ragnar is the developer... I was in when the name started with an R!
Rift has one thing many of the recent MMO releases did not. A complete endgame at release.
One you are level 50, there are 10 "expert" mode dungeons to do. These are the same dungeons you went to while leveling, with different bosses, a slightly different layout/story and MUCH harder difficulty. Plus, there are several 10 man "raid rifts" which are like mini raids you do in the open zones using a crafted lure to open the raid. Also, there is currently one 20 man raid in the game.
On top of that, Trion has two more raids already completed and slated for release within 60 days. One is another tier 1 raid, and the other is Hammerknel, which is a tier 2 raid rumored to have a double digit amount of bosses and be quite large in size.
If your looking for a new MMO, and like the traditional high fantasy type of game, give Rift a look. The dev team at Trion is top notch, and knows that to keep their customers they need to keep the game fresh with content. I know I sound fanboyish here, but seriously Trion does not mess around, and they have done nothing but impress throughout beta and into release. If they can keep it up, Rift will be a major player in the market for quite some time.
where did I say I was chained anywhere?
And no, I choose NOT to be there, hence me not playing this particular themepark MMO.
I will indeed wait for another district to be opened in the sub genre that suits me, one that is built by passionate devs and not accountants.
Thanks for your input!
Good quests:
- many of LOTRO's quests, especially the Book Quest
- AoC in Tortage
- WOW new "old World" post Cata, like Westfall or Redridge
Just imvpo^^
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
That's the problem, though, having a few raid dungeons at launch isn't anything special as just about every mmo matures to encompass an endgame, but the critical point is that by selling the game on end-game you are basically saying that the game to get there isn't particularly worthwhile. Aion was the same grind away then PvP siege at max level.
Rift is a big well made chocolate cake. If you want chocolate cake and if you like chocolate cake then you won't be disappointed in Rift. It is moist and has a well made buttercream frosting and they have even added sprinkles and a few candles to make it a bit special.
But no matter how well made a chocolate cake it might be if you are looking for beef stew then you are not going to be impressed and you are not going to be happy and at the end you will be unfullfilled and full of useless calories.
Don't be fooled by the pictures of a chocolate cake on the cover of the Rift box as what is inside is just chocolate cake please go purchase a can of stew if that is what you are in the mood for. Don't blame us if you end up fat and with pimples after you consume your share of Rift.
I'm skeptical of this whole end-game business, but I'm an ex-DAOC player. No game can even compare to DAOC's endgame, and I doubt Rift will be much different. More of that gear grinding raiding bs I couldn't care less about, I'm afraid. That said, I'm enjoying the levelling up bit. I find it feels less repetitive than most MMOs (e.g. WoW and Aion) and I love the character development system.
My biggest complaints are the lack of RP fluff and diversity. Too much of the armor looks the same, and most of it looks like crap. No item remodelling or appearance slots. Visual aesthetic stuff like that, but overall, I'm liking it more than any other MMO I've tried in a long time.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
All that matters is that I am having a blast! I can't stop playing this game. The more I get into the soul trees the more badass my charecter is to play. The graphics are so good turned all the way up that sometimes I just stopped and look around. I've been playing a ton and can't wait to hit cap. In fact I will most likely be making an alt as soon as I hit 50 to level slower in conjunction with doing end game stuff on my warrior. SO MUCH FUN!!!
Haha, a nice analogy.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
and since Ryzom is going Freemium, a game that some people consider the ultimate sandbox, there really is no reason.
But people will find issue with Ryzom as well.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Oh no!! Not another positive Rift article! Haters and Trolls incomming!! ^^ I feel much the way about Rift myself. Its an enjoyable, well polished game. I'm not looking for the One True Game(tm) as some here seem to be. But I do wish all of those still engaged in that endless chase, the very best of luck. I'm quite enjoying Rift. The rifts and invasions add quite a bit to the game, and make it feel more alive. Not to mention not having to spam chat for a group is really nice.
Given what these titles cost to produce, and the limited audience for them in the western markets, thats hardly surprising. Lets face it, "sand box" games tend to attract more than their share of a certain type of player. These players tend to get their jollies from ruining the play experience of other players. Thats just not good for a companies business model in the modern western markets. Theme park games (like WoW and Rift) on the other hand, target a much larger section of the audience. Thus its hardly a surprise that the suits and investors focus on theme park games.
It really isnt...
But anyhow, using the analogy anyhow, a lot of people were in fact looking for choccy cake and after reading the box thought this was gonna be a luxury giant choccy cake that might last them a while.
When they opened the box though they found out that the cake was tiny, undecorated, and tasted stale.
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Rift is a solid title and tons of people are enjoying it.
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A game that is a sandbox in design doesn't necessarily have to have FFA PvP. SWG:Pre-NGE is often held up as a fantastic sandbox game, and it had no FFA PVP. I would guess that most people who like sandbox games aren't advocating for pre-Trammel UO style gameplay.
You're (purposely?) missing the point: there's already a lot of different districts to be in, no need for waiting at all.
As for saying that you're chained, these are your words: until we evolve out of this WoW/ Aion/ Rift ghetto we have found ourself in
'you have found yourselves in?'
Get real. There's all kinds of choice, saying that you've 'found yourself in a WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto' negates any active choosing from your side or looking for different MMO's, as if there are no other MMO's around.
Which is a blatant lie, there are lots of all kinds of MMO's, you just chose not to seek them out if the situation happens that you 'find yourself in a WoW/Aion/Rift ghetto'. Simple as that.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
It’s interesting that people demand sandbox games but then don’t play them. Then spend all their time on blogs posting comments on how theme park games suck. I don’t classify Eve as sandbox; it is a very large single server theme park game…just my opinion.
I have been able to be in the beta for Rift since day 1 but found nothing that commanded my attention.I have evolved personally away from just ranting because because . I really have nothing positive to say about Rift.It's another new game.It doesn't bring to me what I am looking for, which is a game with a great 24/7 faction vs faction element.So I play Civilization 5 and wait for GW 2 ....End of nations....or Planetside 2.
It quickly becomes possible to solo minor rifts 2 levels above your current level.
In fact, I noticed a pattern here. I could always solo any mobs exactly 2 levels above me, but mobs 3 levels above me only occasionally, and only if I used every skill I had on a long cooldown. This seems intentional, but it felt awkward, because it was predictable. Always with the two level thing.
WoW = McDonalds
WAR = Burger King
Rift = Carl's Jr.
GW2 = TGIFriday's
Please keep the discussion civil. Thanks!
Staff Impressions: They Like it. Good for them.
General population of fans: They like it. Good for them.
General poulation of non-fans: They don't like it. Good for them.
Folks arguing about it on the web: Pretty silly.
I'm indifferent and neither care or like Rift. I just don't play it.
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