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Am i the only sane one around here?
Either the world has gone mad, or become more desperate then i coulda sworn.
All i'm seeing is people promoting RIFT as some sorta savior to the WoW-Dominated Genre, the next "Leap" in MMOs.
And i'm left wondering what the hell they are talking about.
I played beta, did not purchase as i felt the game was a sure fire WoW-Clone, felt allot like WAR really, why did WAR get such negative reviews, and Rift didn't? Clearly it's desperation, if WAR released today, it would also be hailed in postive light methinks.
Clearly people are sick of the same crap being pushed out by devolopers, but lets be honest, this game -IS- a WoW-Clone, and a poor one at that.
Simple put, the combat system is no innovative, or refreshing, same old story, auto-attack, chance-rolls, ect.
The animinations are rudamenteray, basic, lackluster, and ackward, game feels off due to it's basic animations, nothing new in the terms of linear play, quest hubs, ect, ect.
Nothing new about the "Soul" system as it's just taking what would normally be 1 full class and breaks it into 3 sub-classes, with the superfluous notion of creating more superferical playable classes with the intent of bulking their game features marketing, hardly impressive.
The community is troll-ridden, very much like -any- blizzard title, quests are on par with the typical -vanilla- content of WoW, not even very well thought out.
Graphics are horrid -- People keep telling me the graphics are amazing.. and i'm like shellshocked... F2P WoW-Clones have better graphics then this.. with Aion being over a year old, with plans of throwing out their P3 update which includes a huge graphic update, how can -ANY- one claim this game has great graphics? The shaders are terribad.
Simply put, it's a WoW-Clone with a gimmick, and it is a WoW-Clone, taken from their OWN marketing ad....
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Its the "New MMO sydrome"...People are still feeling the hype so give it 6 month tops and people will calm down
That's a bad question to ask. It usually means that you're not the only one not sane.
Listen, people like the game. People also dislike the game, such as yourself. It's natural and its normal and it'll happen with every game.
I could put some counter arguments about the things you said about Rift, but the bottom line is that I won't change your opinion of the game and you won't change mine. So better accept that this game is not for you and just try to find something else that excites you.
I can tell you why.
Rift is the first non-POS game we have had released in about two years. Its good, its fun, and its a new game.
Regardless of mechanics similarities between Rift and WoW. It still IS a new game, new lore, new story, new world. Its polished... and thus deserves the praise it has gotten.
I say to each his own, I will pay Trion to play Rift just as I pay Blizzard to play WoW. When SWTOR comes out I will Pay Bioware to play their game. You spend your money where you want, just don't annoy the rest of us while your doing it.
So you played beta.....but to what level? I was somewhat underwhelmed when I got into beta two but I kept creating new characters in each subsequent beta and found more and more good stuff as I progressed. It's hand down the best new game I've played for the past five years or so. My experience is that the more you play it, the more you realise just how innovative it actually is.
Well you answered your own question. If WAR released today with all the patches and fixes and
devs being budged from never changing anything and all the class fixes.
How about if Aion released today? with all the massive bugs...fixes..class balances ..new
zones...dungeons
They released in Beta phases and with very poor support. Those games changed because got in
there and said this sucks and it does not deserve my 15$. Now years later they are somewhat
playable.
People are saying Rift is a god send because as sad as it is this is only game in 7 years
we can say released and was complete. It is not ground breaking in every department like
some people think GW2 is, but it moves the genre forward.
We have to face it. The genre was stagnating and Blizzard recycling ZA/ZG is just a sign
of it. The American audience wants a WoW/EQ type game, but not run by Blizzard or SoE.
Your not only one, thats for sure. But it is strange you cant see reasons. They are simple.
Game is polished.
It IS wow clone.
Players got what they were promised (at least I think they did, didnt followed it too much, just tried beta, didnt liked, uninstalled).
Problems with others games release in past years was they made promises they didnt keep, released games which was long time (at least few months up to few years) before ready. War, FFXIV are good examples of that.
Look, you are not the only sane one. Infact, I think you are insane to ignore some of the most important factors that makes Rift more popular.
Rift came out polished, almost bug free, which warranted no complains in that respect. In contrast to this, when WAR came out, things were very rough around the edges-turning alot of people off. WAR employed the public quest system, but so can Rift. Just as Newton once said "If I have seen further it is only because I stand on the shoulders of giants". Using someone else's good idea is still complimentary to the game itself, no matter how some people feel about it.
Plus, minor innovations go a long way. The Rift system is innovative. It offers a breathe of fresh air, and it is fun. The boss fight mechanics aren't all recycled either.
The community, as far as I know, is not troll ridden. There are many who dedicate their time in helping to make the game better when it grows into the polished game that it will be.
Can you name a better MMO then if you seem to dislike Rift?
I seriously question the title of your post.
I have seen no one claim that Rift is a savior of the wow dominated (whatever that is) mmo genre.
What I do see are people who either like the game or hate the game and note many of the simularities to popular theme park games.
Not a one is saying it's anything other than that. so I think you aren't really clearly reading what people are saying.
Otherwise your post goes along with the myriad other posts of people who don't like Rift because it is in the same family as most themepark games.
There's an irony there.
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I see, best reply so far as it gives me some insight into the status quo, and raises valid points.
IN all honesty I find it's the ones who think they're sane who are the insane ones and the ones who think they are going insane who are the clear headed ones...But I digress...
As for calling this a WoW clone that thread is up top...If you're going to call this a WoW clone do it there...
As for WAR if they had launched a bug free game where anything past the first area didn't suck then yeah they prob would have got great praise. They however, did not and they got what they deserved.
I'm not entirely sure how you can make combat revolutionary or non standard but the combat is run of the mill themepark MMO. It's what people are used to and like.
ANimations are a little weird but I've seen MUCH worse.
You hate the soul system but I like it. It lets me chose how i want. It's WoW's old skill systems before they fubared it up and MADE you chose 31 pts in a specific tree before you could go elsewhere. And I can choose 8 trees instead of 3...win right there...
You hate the graphics and I love them. Hate cartoonish looking graphics and these are nice and crisp for my system. I can push the graphics up to Ultra and my FPS doesn't take too much of a hit. This is all matter of opinion...or maybe your vid card is older...dunno here but I like them.
This isn't going to be for everyone...It's not innovative but it does up until now what blizzard held the title for, take other pieces of games, add them into one and make one hell of a smooth launch. And I was there for WoW launch. This luanch blows it out of the water. Basically like I keep saying this game is how WAR should have been...only they didn't hype it out the ass and let people decide on if they like it.
OP I completely feel you. But have you tried looking at it from the perspective of those who love *shudder* it?
Imagine the most boring person you know IRL. There are people who do not find that same person neither bland/boring and who love that person regardless what you or I may think
Hope you look at this hype storm differently.
I had a VIP invite, but I only played until beta 2. I jumped in on beta 3, but only for 10 minutes.. just couldn't bare it anymore.
Probably this is not for everyone. Not for me, for certain. But hey, I hate WoW, and millions love it, so..
I am subscribed to numerous newsletters from the MMO Communities, websites, blogs, MMO-Auxiliary support sites (I.E. Playerauctions), i’ve done a fair bit of reading (*including the blogs written by MMORPG.COM Staff), they all are tooting the horn of RIFT to be some sort of savior, after which i skimmed through the popular topics here, and see the general feel of Rift to be favorable well beyond that of the last year worth of hyped games, and their respective launches.
If anything I have seen most WoW fans saying, "my god finally something that will make Blizzard start putting out new content".
The smart WoW fans are not trying to destroy this game, but pray it puts up competition. It is not like 12 million WoW guys just picked up and left the day Rift came out.
It is called competition. This is about as American as it gets.
They said "We're not in Azeroth anymore". What that means if you are tired of WoW, then come try what we have to offer. It is called going after your competition.
It is identical to saying ..you tired of T-mobile? go with sprint. Sprints phone looks just like T-mobiles, but it might work better...offer a new feature!?!
I sure don't see people here saying Rift is the next gen MMO. Nor did I see the staff say that. I'm pretty sure most people enjoy the fresh, polished game.
The staff said the game reminded them of WoW among other things, but in a new light.
But I guess other peoples opinions that differ from yours makes them insane? That's cool. Everyone is a little insane.
ok that's kind of a half hearted way of looking at it though it's kind of on the nose.
Take away "boring' because I bet you that I can find people who love hockey and others who find it boring as well as people who love crossword puzzles and others who find them boring.
But the gist is right on.
Which goes back to something that many people have a hard time with "to each his own".
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Rift is a game for all the wow/war refugrees that are seeking a game that plays like their fav game. Which is a good thing i guess. All the power to them.
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I do not see how this is just not a wonderful thing for WAR and WoW fans. It gets rid of the pessimist from your game.
I havnt read any posts from anyone claiming the game to be a savoir. I have read post's from people saying the game is good and enjoyable and other posts claiming the game is blah.
each to their own I guess
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Well i agree with him and i played the beta,all 7 of them right up to level 42. From IT to Fae to DD-DM then on to Foul Cascade to King Breech and finishing with Runic Decent, that qualified enough for you?
I played two toons on both faction and done every quests on both sides except some of the souls quests. I also done more rift than i can count but from 5th beta i was not interested in rifts at all, just a big zerg fest with who can tag each mob quicker.I also done all PVP-warfronts up to level 42 and i agree with the OP.
So i can say the more you play the more boring the game becomes. Now this is my opinion having played a hell of a lot of the game.
I could give many more reasons more but i have already done that in other posts, no point in repeating myself.
Although I have not reached max level in the game I am having fun. I really do not judge the game on graphics. LOL I can remember people coming here and talking about how cartoonish WOW's graphics were. I prefer Rift's graphics to WOW's and again like you that is my opinion.
You nor I are mad. Treating other people like they have gone mad or stupid because they like a game and you do not honestly makes no sense. What I play or what I like does not effect you. Having said that you do not need to stress out because some people like Rift.
I always say different strokes for different folks. I think WOW must be your first game. My reason for stating this is WOW did the same thing Rift has done. They took ideas from previous games and improved on them and made WOW. WoW was not groundbreaking as other games that were and are live today that came before WOW. play almost the same way. I see people come here wanting the next gen MMORPG and honestly in MY Opinion you can only do an MMORPG so many time before it in fact does get old or feel like you have played it before..
We all come here and complain about the quests. We come here and complain about how we have been there and done some of this before in our last MMORPG. We all come here and talk about how great the next MMORPG will be and guess what if we have played one for any length of time, the next one will have mechanics taken from other games. I look in these forums and have been coming here for a long time. I mean come on how many different ways can you do a fetch quest or a kill something quest or a delivery quest? The answer is basically in every mmorpg they are still the same quests as you can only hide the true nature of the quest so many times.
How many ways can you do classes. Trust me even in the mighty GW2 coming out there will still be cookie cutter builds for given situations and group makeups..
I play a game to have fun and if I am not having fun then I do not play it. All the evaluations, recommendations, previews and reviews be damned, will not change the way I think about any game I play as all writers must be paid and they are paid thru advertisements.
The world has not gone mad. Some of us gamers are having a blast in Rift and that is ok for you not to like it.
Three groundbreaking MMORPG games come to my mind and they are Ultima Online, Everquest 1, and Daoc. The rest are just copies of these games to some extent. One Sci-Fi MMORPG game comes to mind EVE.
Why is it so important to you that people agree with your opinion of the game? Why can't you have your opinion and be happy with it?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Psst!
oh and one last thing don't do whatever the voices in your head are telling you to do its generally a bad idea even if they claim to be god. :P
ok so I can SORT of see where the OP is coming from. As many people have said Rift literally blind sided the MMO world with what it offered and how complete the game was at launch.
Before people heard of Rift, SWToR and GW2 were going to be the "saviours" that would fix the "injustice" Blizzard was doing to the MMO world. <--yes people do take MMO's that serious
Now a game comes along that upgrades a lot of MMO's that came before and it is gaining success. SWToR and GW2 people would no doubt be amazed by this.
As I used in my example before. When T-mobile releases a new phone do you call it the Sprint 2.0 phone because it has some sprint feature and sprint is older?
America does not work like that.
Simple minded kid of 37 here.
I liked WoW, how it started, how it felt. I don't like the direction it headed or what it became.
Rift is like a reboot in a sense. You go back to the vanilla world and start over, only this time they head to the direction you feel is right for a change.