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If everyone can Pay to win as much as they want, where is the competetive aspect to this game that every other p2p mmo has?
At least in other games when you buy in game currency for real money you run the risk of getting your accounts banned.
Not to mention anyone with IRL cash can buy all the high skilled characters then want through CCP's hands as well.
SP for $$
ISK for $$
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Pay to win
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The rapid growth of the super carrier ship class and their dominance in the territorial wars demonstrate how eve is becoming more pay to win then ever. These 'i win button' ships require multiple accounts and a huge income from macro 'bots' and plex selling.
I think CCP is just milking the small but hard core players they have while developing a next generation of game, thier 'carbon technology' is not really for eve.
If you are suggesting that people are paying real money for access to Super Carrier class ships I think you should rethink that. 15billion isk = $750 if you bought it with PLEX. (at current market value). And thats just for the ship. Add another 10billion at least to pay for a character that can actually fly one, and it becomes even less feseable.
Also ISK is so easy to get if you know what you are doing that there is absolutly no reason to buy PLEX. The only people who do are newer players.
Edit: Also, super carriers are hardly "i win buttons". Go check how many are killed each day/week.
Eve isn't pay to win. If anyhing it's time to win. A broke 1 year old account could devastate an ultra rich 3 month old account in any ship, any time.
I think PLEX is the greatest idea of all time. I have seen the alternative (asian bot farms) and it aint pretty.
This made me LoL. So untrue.
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Can you point me in the direction of an MMO which has a competitive side which is not absolutely hilarious? Where skill really matters?
You can buy high end characters in any MMO. A truly competitive game, which MMOs are not, does not require you to have a super geared char.
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I personally like how plex's work. It allows plenty of people to play the game for free. As for pay to win, I can see where you get that from. But as a player actually plays the game, and learns where to make isk it isn't too bad.
When I decide to grind up isk, I can make 130 mil/hr (And that is with a buddy, so 260 mil/hr total). In 3 hours I can buy a months game time. In 115 hours we could each have one of these magical super carriers you talk about. And just for grins, know that my buddies character is only a few months old (less than 7 mil SP). And that does not reflect any other money making endevors, that is just strait up isk from grinding, turn around and sell loot. No production, no investments, nothing but going out and killing stuff and making cash. We can do this day in and day out.
Last week, between the 2 of us we made 3.3 bil. Had a total of just over 11 hours in actual grinding. Are we the quickest possible at it? No. Does it take much to do it? No. 2x Drakes and some time to figure out how things work (Can also solo for about the same isk/hr but I don't enjoy solo), and you are good to go. We do run alt accounts at the same time, but the income pays for the alt accounts. An alt to be useful, only needs a handful of SP. Within a week or 2 an alt (Or even trial account) can help your main's out. It is just a matter of knowing what to do and where.
So anyone paying for these big toys with PLEX's either have too much IRL money layin around, or are just plain stupid. But I highly doubt many super carriers have been bought with plex's. If a character played the game to the point they can fly one, they should know how to make some isk, or have an extremely generous corp with plenty of cash to throw around.
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You can fly a Battleship in less than a month. You could probably fit a BC in mostly T2 equipment in 3.
In 1 month 3 days, I flew and fully T2 fit Caldari Transport ships. You can accomplish quite a bit in 3. If you chose to screw up your initial build and waste your 100% training speed, there is no reason to blame anyone but yourself.
I've been playing since 03/04, I have 70mil SP, and my main ship is still a T1 BC. I can fly and fully fit every single BC in the game, but my main ship is still a BC and I can only fly one at a time.
Honestly, if it wasn't for the skills I had put into learning skills that were reset, I would have never had a single Battleship skill trained to 5. But, I put those SP in Amarr Battleships and kicked it over to 5. I've still never flown anything bigger than a Battleship.
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Better having Plex system, than chinese farmers spamming 24/7. It's win/win. For players and CCP. Yes you could buy a fleet, and it already happened, but all in all it does not affect the game to much.
anyone who thinks Eve is even remotely pay to win, is totally out of touch with reality, and obviously has no knowledge of the game, you can't buy time after all, no matter how much real money you spend on the game, you can't make your toon learn any faster, sure, spend a fortune and buy a Nyx, and all the skill books you'd need to qualify to fly it... in a year or so's time you'd be able to use it.. maybe.. but in that time you could have earned the isk without resorting to paying for it.. and thats where it all falls over, you can't pay to win, you can buy isk, but thats it.. you could achieve that much just by joining a corp and them buying the skills for you.. my guess is the OP tried the game and got pwned big time.. or maybe it was just too complicated for them.. either way.. total fail.
The main fact in eve is that *nothing* you can buy for money is permanent. You can lose everything, from your ships to your skill points. You can buy a titan (for some 2000$ or so?). And lose it in a matter of minutes. That doesn't happen in other games, thus if you aren't a tycoon in real life and can throw millions on eve (but why you should?) you can't really pay to win.
Without friends you're nothing more than group content in an expensive ship.
A battleship is easy to fly.
Amarr Battleship III
Spaceship Command I
That's like.... 2 week training with 100% skill bonus. That's to fly an Abaddon. It will take less than another 2 weeks to fit it. A Battleship is quite a worthy opponent with T1 mods.
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I'm sorry. It's 9 DAYS training WITHOUT the 100% skill bonus and a non Amarr Character.
Try playing the game before making up stories about time matters. Like I said earlier, I fly BCs with my 70mil SP pilot. Everything skill you could possibly have to fly a BC at 100%, is probably around 5mil SP. Take away 1.5mil if you don't want BC lvl 5.
That's including passive and active skills and the ability to fully fit T2.
If money is no object, there is a T1 mod that is the equivelent of the T2 variant for every mod in the game. It's about 2-3 times more expensive, but it exists solely for that reason. It doesn't add that much to the price, so if that's the route you want to take, go ahead and take away another 2mil SP.
5 - 1.5 - 2 = 1.5mil SP. The 100% skill train bonus lasts until 1.6mil SP. You will be exactly the same as my 70mil SP pilot in a BC.
If money really no object, a faction fit ship is a beast. Faction Mods require the same skills as T1. But, you're looking at a 3bil ISK BC, which would be stupid.
The only TIME that matters, is how much TIME you spend LEARNING the game. Nothing else. Obviously, you didn't spend too much time learning how to play.
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