The two biggest MMOs when this whole thing started were Ultima Online and Everquest.
UO, the better game, was difficult and harsh (making the "winning" feeling of it that much more rewarding). Everquest was easy and created purely to addict the consumer (a treadmill game).
All the low lives became addicted to Everquest and made it the more profitable game. Blizzard saw this and modeled its game after EQ and not UO.
Thus, EVERY high budget game has done the same.
Until a company with a large budget mimics UO's innovation - MMOs will always suck and cater mainly to low lives who are easily addicted to leveling their characters and don't care about actual gameplay or the potential that MMOs can have.
I don't remember Uo being harsh.
Oldschool UO was considered a bit harsh.
Full loot, non consenual pvp, etc... None of this exists in any big budget MMOs to my knowledge except for poorly done "PvP Servers" maybe and even then I don't think they do full loot.
The two biggest MMOs when this whole thing started were Ultima Online and Everquest.
UO, the better game, was difficult and harsh (making the "winning" feeling of it that much more rewarding). Everquest was easy and created purely to addict the consumer (a treadmill game).
All the low lives became addicted to Everquest and made it the more profitable game. Blizzard saw this and modeled its game after EQ and not UO.
Thus, EVERY high budget game has done the same.
Until a company with a large budget mimics UO's innovation - MMOs will always suck and cater mainly to low lives who are easily addicted to leveling their characters and don't care about actual gameplay or the potential that MMOs can have.
I don't remember Uo being harsh.
Oldschool UO was considered a bit harsh.
Full loot, non consenual pvp, etc... None of this exists in any big budget MMOs to my knowledge except for poorly done "PvP Servers" maybe and even then I don't think they do full loot.
I don't remember EQ being easy for that matter. Mileage really varied in that game based on the class you played. Bard = easy mode. Warrior = nightmare.
More on topic. I'd say I don't hate MMOs. I hate their design. It's like everyone played Diablo and Dungeon & Dragons then decided to make an MMO.
meh, atleast I'm enjoying Vindictus. Probably because it's combat so different than standard MMOs.
The two biggest MMOs when this whole thing started were Ultima Online and Everquest.
UO, the better game, was difficult and harsh (making the "winning" feeling of it that much more rewarding). Everquest was easy and created purely to addict the consumer (a treadmill game).
All the low lives became addicted to Everquest and made it the more profitable game. Blizzard saw this and modeled its game after EQ and not UO.
Thus, EVERY high budget game has done the same.
Until a company with a large budget mimics UO's innovation - MMOs will always suck and cater mainly to low lives who are easily addicted to leveling their characters and don't care about actual gameplay or the potential that MMOs can have.
I don't remember Uo being harsh.
Oldschool UO was considered a bit harsh.
Full loot, non consenual pvp, etc... None of this exists in any big budget MMOs to my knowledge except for poorly done "PvP Servers" maybe and even then I don't think they do full loot.
Your icon thingy makes me want to say "Different Strokes for different folks," but I won't.
I think these are preferences, most humans enjoy to entertain themselves other ways is all. The game didn't seem harsh to me then, doesn't seem so harsh now, but I can understand why a person would enjoy a different type of game more so.
Playing and LOVING Rift. If you are starting to hate MMORPGs, it's time to take a break. I get that way with TV shows and movies. Sometimes it's best to step away and come back later when your attitude is better. Yes, it all comes down to perception.
Playing and LOVING Rift. If you are starting to hate MMORPGs, it's time to take a break. I get that way with TV shows and movies. Sometimes it's best to step away and come back later when your attitude is better. Yes, it all comes down to perception.
I am enjoying Rift as well. I have video game ADD though, so I break hard and often.
I don't hate MMORPGs. Currently though, I don't play any, and value other types of games more. If I want balanced and fast-paced PvP, where not only the player who was grinding the most or spent most money on the cash shop wins, then I play TF2. If I want an RPG with nice graphics, dialogues, interesting quests: I play Dragonage. If I want a tactical challenge, I play Civ5 in multiplayer with buddies.
I don't hate MMORPGs per say, but I am very much starting to hate the direction they're going. I came to the genre because I liked the idea of having a virtual world to live and explore in. However, since WoW arrived on the scene, it's success has moved the genre away from this model. Even back when I was playing Vanilla WoW, I never really felt like I was being railroaded the way I do when playing the current version of the game or it's many knockoffs. Over time I has become less about a living, breathing, world and more about running the player on rails from one attraction to the next. Maybe it's simply a case of rose-colored glasses, but looking back at vanilla WoW I can't see how the gameplay was terribly different than it is now. Yet, at the time, I didn't feel like I was being guided along a path - I felt that the world was wide open, that I could do basically what I wanted. Perhaps part of the reason why I haven't played Cata is because I'm afraid of the answer it may give me - that WoW and the genre are going where they need to, but it's my own expectations that can no longer be satisfied.
There are plenty of MMOs out there that'll give you the sense of 'virtual world' if you more into the sandboxy type gameplay.
EVE, Mortal Online, Ryzom, Darkfall etc
To the OP, if a friend said 'i hate FPS now since everything is a COD:Black Ops clone' what would you say?
I'm in complete agreement with dreamscaper, it's the style of MMO's that are making me less and less interested in the genre. All these themepark, linear quest chain, straight line from start to end. I hate them. I'm at the stage where if I hear a game follows this same development idea then I won't even bother downloading a trial to check it out. Interest level = 0 when it comes to that sort of thing.
There are alternatives, but they're not very good alternatives. EVE I find slow and boring, and the other sandbox style games are all PvP based which I don't like in MMO's either.
Most games are going to same way though, to answer the question, everything is a Black Ops clone - or rather, the COD games that started it all. They're all becoming linear, quest driven, straight line from start to end rubbish. I had hopes for the recent Bulletstorm as it looked like it was going back to the basics of FPS play, much like Duke Nukem or Doom in style, but it turned out to be just another on rails shooter. Boooring!
I would say hate is a pretty strong word but they all seem to be exactly the same just reskinned.
I will say that WoW was easily the worst thing that ever happened to MMORPGs.
Well, it's the fact that these small companies which try to clone WoW just don't know how to do it properly. There were many Diablo clones as well and they didn't turn out to be decent games, most of them anyway.
The art of copying, compiling and polishing is not as easy as most MMO developers seem to think. I think the question they all need to ask themselves is why the hell are players gonna play my game? And for most WoW clones, the answer would be no reason really whereas when WoW came out, you could give quite a few reasons why you would prefer WoW to other MMOs mostly because it had a much different feel than previous MMOs and a different philosophy even though it picked up a lot of features.
@OP, I realised one thing. I don't like the genre for the most part. There are 2 MMOs I have ever liked soooooooooooooo I guess I really liked those two games not the genre itself. I also like a few puzzle games but that doesn't make me a puzzle fan
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
Tired of hearing about WoW. Tired of hearing about clones.
Amen on that!
And yeah, I don't like most MMORPG's out there. Mostly because hey are all alike: 2-faction based PvP, speeding up to level, auto-walk and forced quest-trackers.
But if you look good, you'll find some non-standard MMORPG's as well.
If you hate MMORPGs, posting at a site named "mmorpg.com" might not be such a constructive idea.
Just saying.
There is nothing constructive about the pile of garbage they make us play nowadays. Just saying.
"They" are forcing you to play games you don't want to play?!
Who is "they"? And how do "they" force you?
With a gun to your head?
He said make not force. There is a slight difference. Besides you know what he means so your post is jus trolling
Excuse me?
I am trolling because he states they "make" him play games he thinks are garbage, and I ask him why.
Wtf is he playing those games for? If you don't like it, don't play it.
He thinks the games are garbage, I can point you to millions of players who don't think they are garbage.
Now who is trolling?
This whole thread is a clear case of trolling. I just picked out one of the posts made by a disgruntled player (prolly sandbox lover playing since the good old UO days still waiting to catch a glimpse of that oldskool feeling again, while waiting on that pipe-dream screaming evrything else is crap), to show the intend of this thread.
I got some advice for those people. Stop whining ffs.
If those old skool games where so good ... why don't you go play those games then and use your energy in a amusing way instead of spending it all on hate.
I do know, I droped my MO sup two months ago and went to Warban and DA: series but DA2 just is not making it for me. I forced myself to do the open beta of Rift and just could not get "the" feeling. Somewhere between WoW and LOTR I lost the feeling with autotargeting and the click 1-2-3, click 1-2-3 thing. I love MMROPG's but damn, the games seem...different after all these years.
Wtf is he playing those games for? If you don't like it, don't play it.
He thinks the games are garbage, I can point you to millions of players who don't think they are garbage.
Now who is trolling?
Exactly. I get really sick of people who think they can't get through the game without playing an MMO. If you don't like MMOs, STOP PLAYING THEM COMPLETELY! Go get a life. Find something else to do! These people who think that somebody owes them an MMO to play need to grow the hell up and get over themselves.
I would say hate is a pretty strong word but they all seem to be exactly the same just reskinned.
I will say that WoW was easily the worst thing that ever happened to MMORPGs.
Well, it's the fact that these small companies which try to clone WoW just don't know how to do it properly. There were many Diablo clones as well and they didn't turn out to be decent games, most of them anyway.
The art of copying, compiling and polishing is not as easy as most MMO developers seem to think. I think the question they all need to ask themselves is why the hell are players gonna play my game? And for most WoW clones, the answer would be no reason really whereas when WoW came out, you could give quite a few reasons why you would prefer WoW to other MMOs mostly because it had a much different feel than previous MMOs and a different philosophy even though it picked up a lot of features.
@OP, I realised one thing. I don't like the genre for the most part. There are 2 MMOs I have ever liked soooooooooooooo I guess I really liked those two games not the genre itself. I also like a few puzzle games but that doesn't make me a puzzle fan
Let's not forget all the failed MMOs that people asked for something different and they were given just that and the entire community decided against it because it was different. I guess I could hoinestly say that I am also disappointed in the MMO community. They say they want something different but when it comes out they crap all over it and claim it isn't like the MMOs they are used to. So now we are stuck in a catch 22. Make something different and watch it fail or make something just like the rest of the MMOs out there and watch it fail. Nothing to do but weather the storm and hope someone comes out and breaks the glass ceiling we are at.
In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.
I'm sick of fantasy MMOs. Sick of orcs, elves, dwarves, dragons, etc. I've had my fill of them and have moved on for a while. In the process of doing so however, I realized just how pathetic the choices are out there for Sci-Fi MMOs. Currently enjoying STO very casually, dabbling in Perpetuum and EVE... but that's pretty much it until Black Prophecy is released.
We need more Scifi MMOs, for sure.
Oh, Global Agenda too, although I don't consider that to be a 'true' MMO.
Also, when did you start playing and how long did you play?
Really, DAoC was the bomb back in its time, and definitely one of the greatest games of all time.
If being a developer means being quiet, mature, well-spoken, and disconnected from the community, then by all means do me a favor and believe I'm not one.
Everything coming out or that has been out, including the F2Ps, are all literally WoW clones.
I have been playing MMOs since Ragnarok Online, and nothing has given me the memories that Final Fantasy XI did, which was a clone off EQ. By the way, if anyone in here comes mentioning DAOC, that game sucked big time.
Now with all that said, I picked up Oblivion again for some odd reason, modded it, then went onto Dragon Age: Origins and started modding it and the more and more I play those games.....
Well, I realized, MMORPGs REALLY suck gameplay wise =/
Damn, took me a long time, I suppose the only reason why I ever stuck around was for friends.
I don't hate the genre, just get bored quickly with some examples of the genre. I generally do have fun with most MMORPGs I try for a month or two, though.
I was addicted to CoX for a few years; since then, the only MMOs I've kept coming back to in more recent times are EVE, FE, AoC and CO.
All the rest, I've only played for a month or two then not gotten glued back to whenever I've tried them again (including WoW).
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Oldschool UO was considered a bit harsh.
Full loot, non consenual pvp, etc... None of this exists in any big budget MMOs to my knowledge except for poorly done "PvP Servers" maybe and even then I don't think they do full loot.
I don't remember EQ being easy for that matter. Mileage really varied in that game based on the class you played. Bard = easy mode. Warrior = nightmare.
More on topic. I'd say I don't hate MMOs. I hate their design. It's like everyone played Diablo and Dungeon & Dragons then decided to make an MMO.
meh, atleast I'm enjoying Vindictus. Probably because it's combat so different than standard MMOs.
Your icon thingy makes me want to say "Different Strokes for different folks," but I won't.
I think these are preferences, most humans enjoy to entertain themselves other ways is all. The game didn't seem harsh to me then, doesn't seem so harsh now, but I can understand why a person would enjoy a different type of game more so.
Playing and LOVING Rift. If you are starting to hate MMORPGs, it's time to take a break. I get that way with TV shows and movies. Sometimes it's best to step away and come back later when your attitude is better. Yes, it all comes down to perception.
I am enjoying Rift as well. I have video game ADD though, so I break hard and often.
Squirrel!
I don't hate MMORPGs. Currently though, I don't play any, and value other types of games more. If I want balanced and fast-paced PvP, where not only the player who was grinding the most or spent most money on the cash shop wins, then I play TF2. If I want an RPG with nice graphics, dialogues, interesting quests: I play Dragonage. If I want a tactical challenge, I play Civ5 in multiplayer with buddies.
How could any current MMORPG compete with that?
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
I would say hate is a pretty strong word but they all seem to be exactly the same just reskinned.
I will say that WoW was easily the worst thing that ever happened to MMORPGs.
In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.
There are plenty of MMOs out there that'll give you the sense of 'virtual world' if you more into the sandboxy type gameplay.
EVE, Mortal Online, Ryzom, Darkfall etc
To the OP, if a friend said 'i hate FPS now since everything is a COD:Black Ops clone' what would you say?
I'm in complete agreement with dreamscaper, it's the style of MMO's that are making me less and less interested in the genre. All these themepark, linear quest chain, straight line from start to end. I hate them. I'm at the stage where if I hear a game follows this same development idea then I won't even bother downloading a trial to check it out. Interest level = 0 when it comes to that sort of thing.
There are alternatives, but they're not very good alternatives. EVE I find slow and boring, and the other sandbox style games are all PvP based which I don't like in MMO's either.
Most games are going to same way though, to answer the question, everything is a Black Ops clone - or rather, the COD games that started it all. They're all becoming linear, quest driven, straight line from start to end rubbish. I had hopes for the recent Bulletstorm as it looked like it was going back to the basics of FPS play, much like Duke Nukem or Doom in style, but it turned out to be just another on rails shooter. Boooring!
If you hate MMORPGs, posting at a site named "mmorpg.com" might not be such a constructive idea.
Just saying.
There is nothing constructive about the pile of garbage they make us play nowadays. Just saying.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
Im just waiting for GW2 and (specially) WAR40K
then, for all I care, the MMO market can crash and burn, as long as that 2 games remain
Why, did they bomb your house?
Well, it's the fact that these small companies which try to clone WoW just don't know how to do it properly. There were many Diablo clones as well and they didn't turn out to be decent games, most of them anyway.
The art of copying, compiling and polishing is not as easy as most MMO developers seem to think. I think the question they all need to ask themselves is why the hell are players gonna play my game? And for most WoW clones, the answer would be no reason really
whereas when WoW came out, you could give quite a few reasons why you would prefer WoW to other MMOs mostly because it had a much different feel than previous MMOs and a different philosophy even though it picked up a lot of features.
@OP, I realised one thing. I don't like the genre for the most part. There are 2 MMOs I have ever liked soooooooooooooo I guess I really liked those two games not the genre itself. I also like a few puzzle games but that doesn't make me a puzzle fan
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
"They" are forcing you to play games you don't want to play?!
Who is "they"? And how do "they" force you?
With a gun to your head?
at the OP: you whole thread is a clone.....threads like this are all over the internet.....lolz talking about clones.
He said make not force. There is a slight difference. Besides you know what he means so your post is jus trolling
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
Amen on that!
And yeah, I don't like most MMORPG's out there. Mostly because hey are all alike: 2-faction based PvP, speeding up to level, auto-walk and forced quest-trackers.
But if you look good, you'll find some non-standard MMORPG's as well.
Excuse me?
I am trolling because he states they "make" him play games he thinks are garbage, and I ask him why.
Wtf is he playing those games for? If you don't like it, don't play it.
He thinks the games are garbage, I can point you to millions of players who don't think they are garbage.
Now who is trolling?
This whole thread is a clear case of trolling. I just picked out one of the posts made by a disgruntled player (prolly sandbox lover playing since the good old UO days still waiting to catch a glimpse of that oldskool feeling again, while waiting on that pipe-dream screaming evrything else is crap), to show the intend of this thread.
I got some advice for those people. Stop whining ffs.
If those old skool games where so good ... why don't you go play those games then and use your energy in a amusing way instead of spending it all on hate.
I do know, I droped my MO sup two months ago and went to Warban and DA: series but DA2 just is not making it for me. I forced myself to do the open beta of Rift and just could not get "the" feeling. Somewhere between WoW and LOTR I lost the feeling with autotargeting and the click 1-2-3, click 1-2-3 thing. I love MMROPG's but damn, the games seem...different after all these years.
Exactly. I get really sick of people who think they can't get through the game without playing an MMO. If you don't like MMOs, STOP PLAYING THEM COMPLETELY! Go get a life. Find something else to do! These people who think that somebody owes them an MMO to play need to grow the hell up and get over themselves.
Played: UO, EQ, WoW, DDO, SWG, AO, CoH, EvE, TR, AoC, GW, GA, Aion, Allods, lots more
Relatively Recently (Re)Played: HL2 (all), Halo (PC, all), Batman:AA; AC, ME, BS, DA, FO3, DS, Doom (all), LFD1&2, KOTOR, Portal 1&2, Blink, Elder Scrolls (all), lots more
Now Playing: None
Hope: None
Let's not forget all the failed MMOs that people asked for something different and they were given just that and the entire community decided against it because it was different. I guess I could hoinestly say that I am also disappointed in the MMO community. They say they want something different but when it comes out they crap all over it and claim it isn't like the MMOs they are used to. So now we are stuck in a catch 22. Make something different and watch it fail or make something just like the rest of the MMOs out there and watch it fail. Nothing to do but weather the storm and hope someone comes out and breaks the glass ceiling we are at.
In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.
I'm sick of fantasy MMOs. Sick of orcs, elves, dwarves, dragons, etc. I've had my fill of them and have moved on for a while. In the process of doing so however, I realized just how pathetic the choices are out there for Sci-Fi MMOs. Currently enjoying STO very casually, dabbling in Perpetuum and EVE... but that's pretty much it until Black Prophecy is released.
We need more Scifi MMOs, for sure.
Oh, Global Agenda too, although I don't consider that to be a 'true' MMO.
Why did you dislike DAoC?
Also, when did you start playing and how long did you play?
Really, DAoC was the bomb back in its time, and definitely one of the greatest games of all time.
If being a developer means being quiet, mature, well-spoken, and disconnected from the community, then by all means do me a favor and believe I'm not one.
I don't hate the genre, just get bored quickly with some examples of the genre. I generally do have fun with most MMORPGs I try for a month or two, though.
I was addicted to CoX for a few years; since then, the only MMOs I've kept coming back to in more recent times are EVE, FE, AoC and CO.
All the rest, I've only played for a month or two then not gotten glued back to whenever I've tried them again (including WoW).