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Hotfix #8 - Coin Lock exploit/pvp bugs

Ren54Ren54 Member Posts: 67

SECURITY

* Characters cannot be deleted while an account is Coin Locked.

* Characters cannot accept CoD mail if they are coin locked.

* Decreased the cooldown between requests to re-send Coin Lock key emails.

* Logging into an account with an existing connection will now force the connected account to fully exit the game.



GENERAL

* We now correctly refund your money in edge cases where you bid on an auction while it is no longer available.

* Being feared should no longer allow you to be scared right through solid objects or underground!

* Reduced Plaque of Achievement rewards from second-tier Expert Dungeon quests to 4 per completion.



ZONES

* Fixed a bug involving zone event Wardstone targets being destroyed by NPCs just before an event begins.

* The Battle for Port Scion, Whitefall Steppes: Using Riftstalker's Flashback will cause you to drop the Sourcestone.

* The Battle for Port Scion: Stealth abilities no longer work when carrying Sourcestone.

 

http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?130476-Hotfix-8-NA-5-50pm-PDT-3-18-11-EU-1-20am-GMT-3-19-11&p=1750291&viewfull=1#post1750291

 

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  • skeaserskeaser Member RarePosts: 4,222

    Originally posted by Ren54

    SECURITY

    * Characters cannot be deleted while an account is Coin Locked.

    * Characters cannot accept CoD mail if they are coin locked.

    * Decreased the cooldown between requests to re-send Coin Lock key emails.

    * Logging into an account with an existing connection will now force the connected account to fully exit the game.



    GENERAL

    * We now correctly refund your money in edge cases where you bid on an auction while it is no longer available.

    * Being feared should no longer allow you to be scared right through solid objects or underground!

    * Reduced Plaque of Achievement rewards from second-tier Expert Dungeon quests to 4 per completion.



    ZONES

    * Fixed a bug involving zone event Wardstone targets being destroyed by NPCs just before an event begins.

    * The Battle for Port Scion, Whitefall Steppes: Using Riftstalker's Flashback will cause you to drop the Sourcestone.

    * The Battle for Port Scion: Stealth abilities no longer work when carrying Sourcestone.

     

    http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?130476-Hotfix-8-NA-5-50pm-PDT-3-18-11-EU-1-20am-GMT-3-19-11&p=1750291&viewfull=1#post1750291

     

    YEAH! More grind! I'm almost through T1 and now I find out T2 is going to be slower.

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  • Ren54Ren54 Member Posts: 67

    Originally posted by skeaser

     

    YEAH! More grind! I'm almost through T1 and now I find out T2 is going to be slower.

    I doubt the intent of the content was to make it last for one week then you goto raids. Pretty sure they have a timeline and traced it back to this and also tuning on Greenscale.

    Everyone has noticed the speed guilds blasted the content and this is a primary reason.

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    It was not normal anyway for T1 to give 2 coins and T2 to give 15. A definite oversight.

  • Tyvolus1Tyvolus1 Member Posts: 815

    Originally posted by skeaser

    Originally posted by Ren54

    SECURITY

    * Characters cannot be deleted while an account is Coin Locked.

    * Characters cannot accept CoD mail if they are coin locked.

    * Decreased the cooldown between requests to re-send Coin Lock key emails.

    * Logging into an account with an existing connection will now force the connected account to fully exit the game.



    GENERAL

    * We now correctly refund your money in edge cases where you bid on an auction while it is no longer available.

    * Being feared should no longer allow you to be scared right through solid objects or underground!

    * Reduced Plaque of Achievement rewards from second-tier Expert Dungeon quests to 4 per completion.



    ZONES

    * Fixed a bug involving zone event Wardstone targets being destroyed by NPCs just before an event begins.

    * The Battle for Port Scion, Whitefall Steppes: Using Riftstalker's Flashback will cause you to drop the Sourcestone.

    * The Battle for Port Scion: Stealth abilities no longer work when carrying Sourcestone.

     

    http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?130476-Hotfix-8-NA-5-50pm-PDT-3-18-11-EU-1-20am-GMT-3-19-11&p=1750291&viewfull=1#post1750291

     

    YEAH! More grind! I'm almost through T1 and now I find out T2 is going to be slower.

     EQ '99 -- in case you want to know what a real grind is little boy.

  • michamusmichamus Member Posts: 14

    So much for being "polished".

    This is not my only post. Please read the rest of this thread before commenting on this attention grabbing post.

  • Professor78Professor78 Member UncommonPosts: 611

    Originally posted by michamus

    So much for being "polished".

    Lol you obviously don't read other MMOs patch notes. They have had phenomenally little to patch since launch.

    Just look at other games, even lately I belive WOW had a bug where a class that is supposed to be able to Dual Wield, could not learn the skill!!!

    And thats 6+ years in???

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  • michamusmichamus Member Posts: 14

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    Lol you obviously don't read other MMOs patch notes. They have had phenomenally little to patch since launch.

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    Polished -verb (used with object)

    to render finished

     

    So, explain to me again how this game is polished (finished) when they are having to:

    A. Circumvent hackers who have already gained access to their servers

    B. Create "fixes" for "content oversights".

     

    Interesting you compareRift to World of Warcraft, as if somehow comparing the two absolves Trion of their claim of Rift being "Polished".

    The game has been out for nearly 3 weeks now, and there have been at least 8 published hotfixes. That is a far cry from a "finished" product.

  • michamusmichamus Member Posts: 14

     






    gessekai332 said.

    have you lived under a rock your entire life? do you realize that an mmorpg is never "finished?"



    Which is why Trion's claim of "polished" is laughable. Now, if they had made the claim of "most polished", or "more polished than" then it would be more understandable.

    Not so though bro. Trion made the claim that Rift would be "unlike any other MMORPG", in that it would be "polished".

     






    gessekai332 said.

    It doesnt take a genius to realize that when people mean "polished," they mean it within the context of mmorpgs.



    It also doesn't take a genius to realize that when a company says their game will be unlike any MMORPG, and that it's the "Next Generation of MMORPGs", that they are claiming just that. Letting Trion off the hook for their lofty claims of exceptionalism, simply because others in that genre are of a lower standard is asinine.

    If you don't want to hold Trion to their claims, then so be it.

     






    gessekai332 said.

    If you compare rift with all the past mmorpg launches, it is no doubt polished.



    Polished is a past tense verb, that was used by Trion in the context of "Finished". You can't even say it's polished in any other sense, because they are still "polishing it" with each subsequent "hotfix".

    This doesn't even go into the security vulnerabilities of their servers that allowed thousands of clients to be hacked, and lose a week of game time.

  • Professor78Professor78 Member UncommonPosts: 611

    Originally posted by michamus

     






    gessekai332 said.

    have you lived under a rock your entire life? do you realize that an mmorpg is never "finished?"




    Which is why Trion's claim of "polished" is laughable. Now, if they had made the claim of "most polished", or "more polished than" then it would be more understandable.

    Not so though bro. Trion made the claim that Rift would be "unlike any other MMORPG", in that it would be "polished".

    I see polished as being a playable game, no gaping holes, no extended downtime, no loose ends and mainly the feel that the game has not just come out for release - It lives up to all those .

     






    gessekai332 said.

    It doesnt take a genius to realize that when people mean "polished," they mean it within the context of mmorpgs.




    It also doesn't take a genius to realize that when a company says their game will be unlike any MMORPG, and that it's the "Next Generation of MMORPGs", that they are claiming just that. Letting Trion off the hook for their lofty claims of exceptionalism, simply because others in that genre are of a lower standard is asinine.

    If you don't want to hold Trion to their claims, then so be it.

    When they refer to next generation, it does not need to be the physical game we see, but what lies underneath. The server technology is without a doubt Next Gen, and if all the rumors are true there are going to be some pretty interesting stuff coming our way regarding the way we can access the Trion worlds. If they don't deliver on these claims then so be it, but i honestly will give them a chance to bring on what they got!

     






    gessekai332 said.

    If you compare rift with all the past mmorpg launches, it is no doubt polished.




    Polished is a past tense verb, that was used by Trion in the context of "Finished". You can't even say it's polished in any other sense, because they are still "polishing it" with each subsequent "hotfix".

    This doesn't even go into the security vulnerabilities of their servers that allowed thousands of clients to be hacked, and lose a week of game time.

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  • michamusmichamus Member Posts: 14



    Originally posted by Professor78
    When they refer to next generation, it does not need to be the physical game we see, but what lies underneath. The server technology is without a doubt Next Gen, and if all the rumors are true there are going to be some pretty interesting stuff coming our way regarding the way we can access the Trion worlds. If they don't deliver on these claims then so be it, but i honestly will give them a chance to bring on what they got!

    You seem to be having trouble coming to grip with tense in English. Are you a native English speaker?

    To state the server technology is next-gen is laughable. Trion was stuck scratching their heads trying to figure out why their servers were vulnerable, when a user pointed out the blatant vulnerability in their authentication code. Of course, this blatant vulnerability was then dubbed, in a terribly typed memo, as a "subtle vulnerability". The user who found the vulnerability was significantly downplayed, and given the amazing credit of providing an "assist" in the discovery of the vulnerability.

    This doesn't even go into the fact that the server, and game technology is an exact copy of the Gamebryo Game Engine. On that link I provided, you will find the list of games that utilize this game engine, including Rift, The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (2002), and Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning (2008).

    That's right, Trion's "Next Gen Game Engine" is almost 9 years old, and is the the less costly DX9 version at that.

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,495

    Next Gen is an over used term about as realistic MMO wise as words and phrases like 'WoW Clone', 'fail', 'polish', 'iconic', 'WoW killer'.

    These terms are thrown around with hardly any appeciaton of what they actually mean and so they are often not appropiate.

  • XthosXthos Member UncommonPosts: 2,740

    I have 7 posts, and they are all hating on one game!    Nice over 3 year old account.

     

    Did a Rift come down and steal your woman, or kill your dog?!

     

    The english nazi has to be pissed he didn't think of being the tense nazi!

  • michamusmichamus Member Posts: 14

    Apparently you fail to appreciate lurking.

     

    I find it amusing how many people get emotional once an unbiased, critical review of their favored game is made. It's as though any revelation of fact made, that is counter to their apriori conclusion is a slap in their face, rather than the design team that made such silly claims in the first place.

     

    To claim a game based on a nearly decade old engine is a  "polished next gen game", is a shameless marketing ploy to garner more supporters than would be received on merit alone.

     

    I am sure there are countless players out there who realize that playing Rift, looks, feels, and flows like Warhammer Online, only without crappy castle and siege design. This doesn't take away from the fact that many of them like the new storyline and quest lines Rift offers, or the new class concepts.

     

    In all honesty I would rank Rift as yet another MMORPG to hit the markets, hardly worthy of any lofty titles like "polished", "next gen", or "exceptional".

  • DeathTouchDeathTouch Member UncommonPosts: 508

    Originally posted by michamus

    Apparently you fail to appreciate lurking.

     

    I find it amusing how many people get emotional once an unbiased, critical review of their favored game is made. It's as though any revelation of fact made, that is counter to their apriori conclusion is a slap in their face, rather than the design team that made such silly claims in the first place.

     

    To claim a game based on a nearly decade old engine is a  "polished next gen game", is a shameless marketing ploy to garner more supporters than would be received on merit alone.

     

    I am sure there are countless players out there who realize that playing Rift, looks, feels, and flows like Warhammer Online, only without crappy castle and siege design. This doesn't take away from the fact that many of them like the new storyline and quest lines Rift offers, or the new class concepts.

     

    In all honesty I would rank Rift as yet another MMORPG to hit the markets, hardly worthy of any lofty titles like "polished", "next gen", or "exceptional".

    So by your definition, all MMOs are failed products and havent lived up the the promises of the company that made them. And since we have to use your opinion what polished means, im asking for compensation(money) to have to think on a level lower then my standard. If i can log into a game without it crashing, having game play issues, or having to reboot the game because of memory leakes, then that is polished. crafting works, the rifts work, end game raids are working, the 1st dragon is working. hmm, i do think that qualifies as polished. 

    From what I read, you havent given a critical review of anything. you came to this game forum to pick a fight which is against this forums RoC. Flaming, trolling, game hating arent allowed.

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  • alderdalealderdale Member Posts: 301

    Originally posted by michamus

    So much for being "polished".

     There are so many levels of "ignorance" in this statement I dont even know where to begin.  I am not "attacking" you for having an opinion this is not an opinion, this statement is like coming to these forums and saying 2 + 2 no longer equals four because the batteries died in my calculator.   Better yet we all troll from time to time so I recant my earlier statement and will just give ya a high five laughing with you not at you.

  • Darkheart00Darkheart00 Member Posts: 521

    Originally posted by michamus

     






    Originally posted by Professor78

    When they refer to next generation, it does not need to be the physical game we see, but what lies underneath. The server technology is without a doubt Next Gen, and if all the rumors are true there are going to be some pretty interesting stuff coming our way regarding the way we can access the Trion worlds. If they don't deliver on these claims then so be it, but i honestly will give them a chance to bring on what they got!






    You seem to be having trouble coming to grip with tense in English. Are you a native English speaker?

    To state the server technology is next-gen is laughable. Trion was stuck scratching their heads trying to figure out why their servers were vulnerable, when a user pointed out the blatant vulnerability in their authentication code. Of course, this blatant vulnerability was then dubbed, in a terribly typed memo, as a "subtle vulnerability". The user who found the vulnerability was significantly downplayed, and given the amazing credit of providing an "assist" in the discovery of the vulnerability.

    This doesn't even go into the fact that the server, and game technology is an exact copy of the Gamebryo Game Engine. On that link I provided, you will find the list of games that utilize this game engine, including Rift, The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (2002), and Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning (2008).

    That's right, Trion's "Next Gen Game Engine" is almost 9 years old, and is the the less costly DX9 version at that.

    Gamebyro engine is tool it is very open and it can heavily modified also you cannot compared the gamebyro engine of WAR with Rift they are different versions. Mythic used earlier variant from DAoC, its like saying Tera will suck because it uses same engine as Lineage :p.

     

    As saying goes every network has a security hole you just have to poke it correctly to find it, take a look at Flash multi billion dollar platform still has security issues.

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,806

    Originally posted by michamus

    Apparently you fail to appreciate lurking.

     

    I find it amusing how many people get emotional once an unbiased, critical review of their favored game is made. It's as though any revelation of fact made, that is counter to their apriori conclusion is a slap in their face, rather than the design team that made such silly claims in the first place.

     

    To claim a game based on a nearly decade old engine is a  "polished next gen game", is a shameless marketing ploy to garner more supporters than would be received on merit alone.

     

    I am sure there are countless players out there who realize that playing Rift, looks, feels, and flows like Warhammer Online, only without crappy castle and siege design. This doesn't take away from the fact that many of them like the new storyline and quest lines Rift offers, or the new class concepts.

     

    In all honesty I would rank Rift as yet another MMORPG to hit the markets, hardly worthy of any lofty titles like "polished", "next gen", or "exceptional".

     

    Talk about amusing... Some peoples idea of "unbiased" leaves much to be desired... ^^  EVERYONE has an agenda. I do, you obviously do, everyone does.  That being the case, shall we dispense with the pretense?  I've given up the endless chase for the One True Game(tm).  All I'm interested in now is an entertaining game, that I enjoy. The fact that its well polished(compared to many of the recent launches) is a plus.  Rift fits that rather well.   As for what its based upon, who cares, as long as its entertaining?  If you don't find it so, then by all means go play something else.

    "If you can't kill it, don't make it mad."
  • michamusmichamus Member Posts: 14

     






    Originally posted by DeathTouch

    So by your definition, all MMOs are failed products and havent lived up the the promises of the company that made them.



    Interesting you draw such a conclusion from my statements, seeing as I not once called Rift, or any other MMORPG a failure.

    The point I drove home is that Rift did not live up to the hype it's creators generated. Their server security was, and arguably still is, sub par. Trion's security team had no idea how their servers were being compromised until a user pointed out a blatant authentication vulnerability to them.

     






    Originally posted by DeathTouch

    And since we have to use your opinion what polished means, im asking for compensation(money) to have to think on a level lower then my standard. If i can log into a game without it crashing, having game play issues, or having to reboot the game because of memory leakes, then that is polished. crafting works, the rifts work, end game raids are working, the 1st dragon is working. hmm, i do think that qualifies as polished.



    How would you feel if you were to log onto your decked out raiding character, only to find him/her naked, and without game currency? This would undoubtedly make you mad. Then imagine you call Trion to get your stuff back, and they say,  "we can get your stuff back to you".

    One week later... you still don't have your stuff, and call to find out what is going on. Once you call Trion, they tell you it will take a few more days to get your gear back to you, but any changes you made on your account since you were hacked, would be reversed.

    That's right, if you had buddies craft you stuff, and you just kept playing, all that game time would be wiped out.

    This is exactly what happened to over 1% of Rift's gaming community when their servers were compromised on the 4th of March. There are players who still have not received their items nearly 3 weeks later.

     






    Originally posted by DeathTouch

    From what I read, you havent given a critical review of anything. you came to this game forum to pick a fight which is against this forums RoC. Flaming, trolling, game hating arent allowed.



    Game hating? Are you even reading my posts completely? In at least one of my posts, I distinctly recall addressing players who enjoy the game Rift offers.



    Flaming? Cite an example of me "flaming" another user.

    Trolling? It appears to me that this term has evolved from "one who baits others into anger for personal satisfaction" to "someone who says something that is completely at odds with my own axioms".

    [quote]

    Originally posted by alderdale

    [b] There are so many levels of "ignorance" in this statement I dont even know where to begin.

    [/quote]

    You could start by reading the rest of my posts in this very thread.

    [quote]

    Originally posted by alderdale

    Better yet we all troll from time to time so I recant my earlier statement and will just give ya a high five laughing with you not at you.[/b]

    [/quote]

    Deal

  • CeridithCeridith Member UncommonPosts: 2,980

    Originally posted by michamus

    So much for being "polished".

    This is either extreme ignorance, or trolling.

    Compared to any MMO release in well, ever, Rift's release was extremely smooth and the game is still very polished despite it's otherwise mostly minor issues. Of the more 'major' issues, Trion has been extremely quick in responding to and  fixing them.

    The next most "polished" MMO was WoW. WoWs release was significantly more buggy, unstable, and generally riddled with balance issues than Rift has right now. Not only that, but of the issues that have come up, Trion has been ridiculously more agile in responding to and correcting those issues that have popped up.

    At release WoW had terrible PvP balance issues, and didn't even have any PvP infrastructure at release past the generic flagging system. WoW's endgame was (and still is) a gear grind, and in fact WoW's first raid was extremely buggy and unfinished at release.

    Everything people are griping about concerning Rift right now, WoW had pretty much the same issues when it was released... only much worse.

  • michamusmichamus Member Posts: 14

    Read the rest of my posts before replying further.

    Thank you.

  • CeridithCeridith Member UncommonPosts: 2,980

    Originally posted by michamus

    Read the rest of my posts before replying further.

    Thank you.

    I have, you're still wrong.

    Rift has by no means had a perfect release. But then again, no MMO has. In fact, Rift's release has still been one of the smoothest releases in the most complete state compared to any other MMO, even despite the issues that have cropped up.

    Yes there have been a couple more major issues, but Trion has been extremely responsive in combating and correcting them. Much more so than even Blizzard has done in the past.

    Rift is still a far more polished and complete game right now, than WoW was six months after release.

  • michamusmichamus Member Posts: 14

     



    Originally posted by Ceridith
    I have, you're still wrong.

    Obviously you haven't, because you wouldn't have made this statement:


    Originally posted by Ceridith
    Rift has by no means had a perfect release. But then again, no MMO has.

    I clearly explain this to be the case in multiple posts, yet here you are, pretending that this statement is in disagreement with my own.
    Also, I already explain why making a comparison between Rift, and other MMORPGs does not absolve Trion of their claims. One cannot claim exceptionalism, and then fall back onto a bell curve grading system.
  • Darkheart00Darkheart00 Member Posts: 521

    Originally posted by michamus

     






    Originally posted by Ceridith

    I have, you're still wrong.






    Obviously you haven't, because you wouldn't have made this statement:





    Originally posted by Ceridith

    Rift has by no means had a perfect release. But then again, no MMO has.






    I clearly explain this to be the case in multiple posts, yet here you are, pretending that this statement is in disagreement with my own.

    Also, I already explain why making a comparison between Rift, and other MMORPGs does not absolve Trion of their claims. One cannot claim exceptionalism, and then fall back onto a bell curve grading system.

    It was smooth release because they did not have server crashes (WoW) or massive client side DCs/LAG (WAR).

  • CeridithCeridith Member UncommonPosts: 2,980

    Originally posted by michamus

     






    Originally posted by Ceridith

    I have, you're still wrong.






    Obviously you haven't, because you wouldn't have made this statement:





    Originally posted by Ceridith

    Rift has by no means had a perfect release. But then again, no MMO has.






    I clearly explain this to be the case in multiple posts, yet here you are, pretending that this statement is in disagreement with my own.

    Also, I already explain why making a comparison between Rift, and other MMORPGs does not absolve Trion of their claims. One cannot claim exceptionalism, and then fall back onto a bell curve grading system.

    Then how do you rate or grade anything if, according to you, you are not able to 'claim exceptionalism' and then use comparison against previous products to gague quality?

    Sorry, but your logic is flawed. It's obvious that you have some bone to pick with Trion and/or Rift. Feel free to hate on Rift all you want, just do us all a favor and stop trolling the Rift section of the forums. Despite your opinions, Rift is still a pretty damn solid MMO, particularly for it's state of polish and features at release.

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