Dude, thank you for that link, hadn't seen that article before, and there were some interesting things in there. One thing in particular stood out to me: The MMO they're doing with SyFy, that will run side-by-side with a tv show? Trion gets ownership of the IP. That's huge. I means that even after the show is long over, Trion can continue to develop 'canon' material for the world.
On topic, I do agree with you. While Rift as a game might be fairly standard fare in terms of it being a themepark MMO with a bit of dynamic content splashed on top of it, the server technology is definitely impressive, and what I would call 'next-gen'. From the things I've read about it, it does a few things different than other current server technologies, with the way they allocate resources being the most prominent.
Since all servers (shards being a more correct term here) basically run on the same network of machines, all utilizing the same massive amount of computing and storage power, moving processing power between them is easy for them. As far as I know, resources are dynamically allocated based on zone and shard populations so that the power goes where it's most needed. It can also be manually allocated in preparation for special events and such.
Also, in this video interview, it's stated that they can create, test and implement new events/content in a matter of days, due to the setup of their tools and servers. I don't think I've seen any other MMO do that yet, and having your actual server architecture support this dynamic approach to content is something I'd regard as 'next-gen'.
You are correct, I fail to appriciate a lurker, with no stated reason to stop lurking....Then to argue opinion based titles...then to be a tense nazi....
So Rift is the first game to upset you in 3+ years? First game to make you quit lurking?
It must be doing something right! You can't resist it! It is next gen lurker bait!
It was smooth release because they did not have server crashes (WoW) or massive client side DCs/LAG (WAR).
They did have issues like the backdoor hacks, but I actually think they just set a record for how fast they fixed hacking in an MMO.
They have CS issues IMO because they never expected the game to pass 500k subs because I think that is all they needed to break even. I mean they spent 50mil and that is actually pocket change in MMO's.
So by your definition, all MMOs are failed products and havent lived up the the promises of the company that made them.
Interesting you draw such a conclusion from my statements, seeing as I not once called Rift, or any other MMORPG a failure.
The point I drove home is that Rift did not live up to the hype it's creators generated. Their server security was, and arguably still is, sub par. Trion's security team had no idea how their servers were being compromised until a user pointed out a blatant authentication vulnerability to them.
Originally posted by DeathTouch
And since we have to use your opinion what polished means, im asking for compensation(money) to have to think on a level lower then my standard. If i can log into a game without it crashing, having game play issues, or having to reboot the game because of memory leakes, then that is polished. crafting works, the rifts work, end game raids are working, the 1st dragon is working. hmm, i do think that qualifies as polished.
How would you feel if you were to log onto your decked out raiding character, only to find him/her naked, and without game currency? This would undoubtedly make you mad. Then imagine you call Trion to get your stuff back, and they say, "we can get your stuff back to you".
One week later... you still don't have your stuff, and call to find out what is going on. Once you call Trion, they tell you it will take a few more days to get your gear back to you, but any changes you made on your account since you were hacked, would be reversed.
That's right, if you had buddies craft you stuff, and you just kept playing, all that game time would be wiped out.
This is exactly what happened to over 1% of Rift's gaming community when their servers were compromised on the 4th of March. There are players who still have not received their items nearly 3 weeks later.
Originally posted by DeathTouch
From what I read, you havent given a critical review of anything. you came to this game forum to pick a fight which is against this forums RoC. Flaming, trolling, game hating arent allowed.
Game hating? Are you even reading my posts completely? In at least one of my posts, I distinctly recall addressing players who enjoy the game Rift offers.
Flaming? Cite an example of me "flaming" another user.
Trolling? It appears to me that this term has evolved from "one who baits others into anger for personal satisfaction" to "someone who says something that is completely at odds with my own axioms".
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[b] There are so many levels of "ignorance" in this statement I dont even know where to begin.
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You could start by reading the rest of my posts in this very thread.
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Originally posted by alderdale
Better yet we all troll from time to time so I recant my earlier statement and will just give ya a high five laughing with you not at you.[/b]
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Deal
Lets see how i can do this. it requires me to post quite a few of your comments. You stated "Which is why Trion's claim of "polished" is laughable. Now, if they had made the claim of "most polished", or "more polished than" then it would be more understandable.
Not so though bro. Trion made the claim that Rift would be "unlike any other MMORPG", in that it would be "polished"."
In that statement you are trying to claim that trion's game isnt polished. For some reason I cant recall Trion having said their game was polished, i recall anyone having played the game, calling it polished. so one has to look at your statement as it is comparing to any/all mmos. So, if you think Rift's isnt polished, then you think any game that has had to have patches of any kind isnt polished. there for, to your own statement all mmos would be a failure. "The game has been out for nearly 3 weeks now, and there have been at least 8 published hotfixes. That is a far cry from a "finished" product." Again another post of yours with the implications that if a game has patches it's a failure. Just because a game creator puts out tweaks to a game doesnt make it non-polished from a users point of view. it just means that there are things people found or suggested would be better. It's a plus mark in the good side when a developer listens to its player base.
i played from, i think, the 5th beta, running on a machine that would be considered 3 years old, by the release of the tech, except the video card which is a 9800 GTX+(pretty old by standards.) The game ran flawlessly for me on ultra minus shadows. even now with shadows im getting a steady 22 fps thats just as smooth on my tv as a game running 200 fps(guild wars.)
"The point I drove home is that Rift did not live up to the hype it's creators generated." The problem is you havent driven home anything. It's been stated many times in these forums that the hype for this game has been from the players not Trion.
You also equate server security with game polish, its apples to oranges. your banks server security has nothing to do with you going to an atm and having the atm be without cash or deposit slips. why would the security for a game have anything to do with me not being able to craft or get into a warfront?
"How would you feel if you were to log onto your decked out raiding character, only to find him/her naked, and without game currency? This would undoubtedly make you mad. Then imagine you call Trion to get your stuff back, and they say, "we can get your stuff back to you".
One week later... you still don't have your stuff, and call to find out what is going on. Once you call Trion, they tell you it will take a few more days to get your gear back to you, but any changes you made on your account since you were hacked, would be reversed.
That's right, if you had buddies craft you stuff, and you just kept playing, all that game time would be wiped out.
This is exactly what happened to over 1% of Rift's gaming community when their servers were compromised on the 4th of March. There are players who still have not received their items nearly 3 weeks later."
As it happened once to me in WoW, i can say its a pain in the ass. but again it has nothing to do with a game being polished. It's unfortunate that this happened and just like when it happened in WoW, Trion will get better at saving a characters info so they can restore it without having to roll back the toon from a backup copy.
"I am sure there are countless players out there who realize that playing Rift, looks, feels, and flows like Warhammer Online, only without crappy castle and siege design. This doesn't take away from the fact that many of them like the new storyline and quest lines Rift offers, or the new class concepts."
"Game hating? Are you even reading my posts completely? In at least one of my posts, I distinctly recall addressing players who enjoy the game Rift offers." this post is the only one i found that relates to you addressing players. nothing there says anything about them enjoying rift, its a bash saying "hey, if you liked the boring shit in War you'll like rift." well i hated War, got it installed because friends of mine wanted to play it, and its F2P for the most part. I enjoy rift, and the best part is i can play at my own pace without worrying ill fall behind, because others are enjoying the game and are going the same rate i am.
As for game hating, here: "So much for being "polished"." "Letting Trion off the hook for their lofty claims of exceptionalism, simply because others in that genre are of a lower standard is asinine." need to make a quick statement. this is you putting words into Trion's mouth. Nothing i recall from Trion was "lofty claims of exceptionalism." "This doesn't even go into the fact that the server, and game technology is an exact copy of the Gamebryo Game Engine. On that link I provided, you will find the list of games that utilize this game engine, including Rift, The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (2002), and Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning (2008).
That's right, Trion's "Next Gen Game Engine" is almost 9 years old, and is the the less costly DX9 version at that."
again it's been pointed out that yes they use gamebryo in these forums, its also been pointed out that it's a very modified version of that engine. To date its the best DX9 looking game in my opinion.
now lets move on to you flaming/trolling. you asked, ill provide. "It also doesn't take a genius to realize that when a company says their game will be unlike any MMORPG." "You seem to be having trouble coming to grip with tense in English." what's the most humorous part about this last sentense is, he stone walled your whole arguement about how you feel the game isnt next gen and that in fact it wasnt the game being next-gen it was the server technology, even more puntuated later by another poster with a link to exactly what that person was stating.
The worst part of it al,l is the fact that all of your posts look like it came from someone very ill informed wanting to start a fight, was given facts to his arguements and then ignored them to continue on another tangent. you completely failed to take any of the given facts against your arguments with any heart. i mean even here you agree your trolling.
Originally posted by alderdale
Better yet we all troll from time to time so I recant my earlier statement and will just give ya a high five laughing with you not at you.[/b]
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Deal
so after all the posts i read of yours, you at minimum dislike the game and you wont listen to reason when its presented. with that its time for lunch, have a good day.
P.S. again it sucks to have had equipment and money lost in game, so for all those that were hacked, i hope all is well in the end.
When they refer to next generation, it does not need to be the physical game we see, but what lies underneath. The server technology is without a doubt Next Gen, and if all the rumors are true there are going to be some pretty interesting stuff coming our way regarding the way we can access the Trion worlds. If they don't deliver on these claims then so be it, but i honestly will give them a chance to bring on what they got!
You seem to be having trouble coming to grip with tense in English. Are you a native English speaker?
To state the server technology is next-gen is laughable. Trion was stuck scratching their heads trying to figure out why their servers were vulnerable, when a user pointed out the blatant vulnerability in their authentication code. Of course, this blatant vulnerability was then dubbed, in a terribly typed memo, as a "subtle vulnerability". The user who found the vulnerability was significantly downplayed, and given the amazing credit of providing an "assist" in the discovery of the vulnerability.
This doesn't even go into the fact that the server, and game technology is an exact copy of the Gamebryo Game Engine. On that link I provided, you will find the list of games that utilize this game engine, including Rift, The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (2002), and Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning (2008).
That's right, Trion's "Next Gen Game Engine" is almost 9 years old, and is the the less costly DX9 version at that.
Well thanks for going in to all that, but you may want to re-read. I say server technology (the hardware it sits on). Where do I mention game engine? Where to I mention security in regards to next gen.
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When they refer to next generation, it does not need to be the physical game we see, but what lies underneath. The server technology is without a doubt Next Gen, and if all the rumors are true there are going to be some pretty interesting stuff coming our way regarding the way we can access the Trion worlds. If they don't deliver on these claims then so be it, but i honestly will give them a chance to bring on what they got!
You seem to be having trouble coming to grip with tense in English. Are you a native English speaker?
To state the server technology is next-gen is laughable. Trion was stuck scratching their heads trying to figure out why their servers were vulnerable, when a user pointed out the blatant vulnerability in their authentication code. Of course, this blatant vulnerability was then dubbed, in a terribly typed memo, as a "subtle vulnerability". The user who found the vulnerability was significantly downplayed, and given the amazing credit of providing an "assist" in the discovery of the vulnerability.
This doesn't even go into the fact that the server, and game technology is an exact copy of the Gamebryo Game Engine. On that link I provided, you will find the list of games that utilize this game engine, including Rift, The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (2002), and Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning (2008).
That's right, Trion's "Next Gen Game Engine" is almost 9 years old, and is the the less costly DX9 version at that.
Well thanks for going in to all that, but you may want to re-read. I say server technology (the hardware it sits on). Where do I mention game engine? Where to I mention security in regards to next gen.
I was going to point that out, but I doubt it would really matter at this point. You know how forum wars go. From what I've seen so far, Rift is an entertaining game, and Trion seems to be able to react MUCH faster than Blizzard did back at its launch of WoW. I'd be fascinated to learn more about their server tech, but I doubt we will until later on.
I did note that Trions GM's have been overwhelmed by the usual tidal wave of reports. They should have had more, but then experienced GM's do not grow on trees. It takes time, talent and experience to be a good GM. Over all, I'd say that Rift has had a first class launch. I'm quite looking forward to seeing how the game develops over the next few years.
When they refer to next generation, it does not need to be the physical game we see, but what lies underneath. The server technology is without a doubt Next Gen, and if all the rumors are true there are going to be some pretty interesting stuff coming our way regarding the way we can access the Trion worlds. If they don't deliver on these claims then so be it, but i honestly will give them a chance to bring on what they got!
You seem to be having trouble coming to grip with tense in English. Are you a native English speaker?
To state the server technology is next-gen is laughable. Trion was stuck scratching their heads trying to figure out why their servers were vulnerable, when a user pointed out the blatant vulnerability in their authentication code. Of course, this blatant vulnerability was then dubbed, in a terribly typed memo, as a "subtle vulnerability". The user who found the vulnerability was significantly downplayed, and given the amazing credit of providing an "assist" in the discovery of the vulnerability.
This doesn't even go into the fact that the server, and game technology is an exact copy of the Gamebryo Game Engine. On that link I provided, you will find the list of games that utilize this game engine, including Rift, The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (2002), and Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning (2008).
That's right, Trion's "Next Gen Game Engine" is almost 9 years old, and is the the less costly DX9 version at that.
Well thanks for going in to all that, but you may want to re-read. I say server technology (the hardware it sits on). Where do I mention game engine? Where to I mention security in regards to next gen.
I was going to point that out, but I doubt it would really matter at this point. You know how forum wars go. From what I've seen so far, Rift is an entertaining game, and Trion seems to be able to react MUCH faster than Blizzard did back at its launch of WoW. I'd be fascinated to learn more about their server tech, but I doubt we will until later on.
I did note that Trions GM's have been overwhelmed by the usual tidal wave of reports. They should have had more, but then experienced GM's do not grow on trees. It takes time, talent and experience to be a good GM. Over all, I'd say that Rift has had a first class launch. I'm quite looking forward to seeing how the game develops over the next few years.
This should not be called any kind of forum war,nor should anyone hate on Rift,i just look at facts,not from a fanbois or haters view.
We had Aion who made a huge mistake on Que ues during their launch,Trion would have witnessed that for sure.Trion also ran a fairly extensive BEta campaign and showed signs of increasing popularity,not decreasing.
You cannot say a "first class" launch if you had que ues,i am sorry,but you just can't.If no que ues,then i would agree on the first class launch,but facts are facts.
I would say from my playing experience that i witnessed NO problems what so ever in Rift,but i also saw very little that intrigued me,to say WOW that took some polish.The game utilizes a simple design,therefore is simple to polish,not sure Trion deserves any accolades..just yet,in the future?maybe but not yet.
As for the other FACT,EVERY single game has bugs/exploits,some not as prevalent,but no game is perfect,that is for sure.
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Dude, thank you for that link, hadn't seen that article before, and there were some interesting things in there. One thing in particular stood out to me: The MMO they're doing with SyFy, that will run side-by-side with a tv show? Trion gets ownership of the IP. That's huge. I means that even after the show is long over, Trion can continue to develop 'canon' material for the world.
On topic, I do agree with you. While Rift as a game might be fairly standard fare in terms of it being a themepark MMO with a bit of dynamic content splashed on top of it, the server technology is definitely impressive, and what I would call 'next-gen'. From the things I've read about it, it does a few things different than other current server technologies, with the way they allocate resources being the most prominent.
Since all servers (shards being a more correct term here) basically run on the same network of machines, all utilizing the same massive amount of computing and storage power, moving processing power between them is easy for them. As far as I know, resources are dynamically allocated based on zone and shard populations so that the power goes where it's most needed. It can also be manually allocated in preparation for special events and such.
Also, in this video interview, it's stated that they can create, test and implement new events/content in a matter of days, due to the setup of their tools and servers. I don't think I've seen any other MMO do that yet, and having your actual server architecture support this dynamic approach to content is something I'd regard as 'next-gen'.
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You are correct, I fail to appriciate a lurker, with no stated reason to stop lurking....Then to argue opinion based titles...then to be a tense nazi....
So Rift is the first game to upset you in 3+ years? First game to make you quit lurking?
It must be doing something right! You can't resist it! It is next gen lurker bait!
They did have issues like the backdoor hacks, but I actually think they just set a record for how fast they fixed hacking in an MMO.
They have CS issues IMO because they never expected the game to pass 500k subs because I think that is all they needed to break even. I mean they spent 50mil and that is actually pocket change in MMO's.
Looks like coin lock has followers now. Here's steam updating their own security with something similar.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=8232-WSGZ-8021&snr=1_41_4__42&l=english
Lets see how i can do this. it requires me to post quite a few of your comments. You stated "Which is why Trion's claim of "polished" is laughable. Now, if they had made the claim of "most polished", or "more polished than" then it would be more understandable.
Not so though bro. Trion made the claim that Rift would be "unlike any other MMORPG", in that it would be "polished"."
In that statement you are trying to claim that trion's game isnt polished. For some reason I cant recall Trion having said their game was polished, i recall anyone having played the game, calling it polished. so one has to look at your statement as it is comparing to any/all mmos. So, if you think Rift's isnt polished, then you think any game that has had to have patches of any kind isnt polished. there for, to your own statement all mmos would be a failure. "The game has been out for nearly 3 weeks now, and there have been at least 8 published hotfixes. That is a far cry from a "finished" product." Again another post of yours with the implications that if a game has patches it's a failure. Just because a game creator puts out tweaks to a game doesnt make it non-polished from a users point of view. it just means that there are things people found or suggested would be better. It's a plus mark in the good side when a developer listens to its player base.
i played from, i think, the 5th beta, running on a machine that would be considered 3 years old, by the release of the tech, except the video card which is a 9800 GTX+(pretty old by standards.) The game ran flawlessly for me on ultra minus shadows. even now with shadows im getting a steady 22 fps thats just as smooth on my tv as a game running 200 fps(guild wars.)
"The point I drove home is that Rift did not live up to the hype it's creators generated." The problem is you havent driven home anything. It's been stated many times in these forums that the hype for this game has been from the players not Trion.
You also equate server security with game polish, its apples to oranges. your banks server security has nothing to do with you going to an atm and having the atm be without cash or deposit slips. why would the security for a game have anything to do with me not being able to craft or get into a warfront?
"How would you feel if you were to log onto your decked out raiding character, only to find him/her naked, and without game currency? This would undoubtedly make you mad. Then imagine you call Trion to get your stuff back, and they say, "we can get your stuff back to you".
One week later... you still don't have your stuff, and call to find out what is going on. Once you call Trion, they tell you it will take a few more days to get your gear back to you, but any changes you made on your account since you were hacked, would be reversed.
That's right, if you had buddies craft you stuff, and you just kept playing, all that game time would be wiped out.
This is exactly what happened to over 1% of Rift's gaming community when their servers were compromised on the 4th of March. There are players who still have not received their items nearly 3 weeks later."
As it happened once to me in WoW, i can say its a pain in the ass. but again it has nothing to do with a game being polished. It's unfortunate that this happened and just like when it happened in WoW, Trion will get better at saving a characters info so they can restore it without having to roll back the toon from a backup copy.
"I am sure there are countless players out there who realize that playing Rift, looks, feels, and flows like Warhammer Online, only without crappy castle and siege design. This doesn't take away from the fact that many of them like the new storyline and quest lines Rift offers, or the new class concepts."
"Game hating? Are you even reading my posts completely? In at least one of my posts, I distinctly recall addressing players who enjoy the game Rift offers." this post is the only one i found that relates to you addressing players. nothing there says anything about them enjoying rift, its a bash saying "hey, if you liked the boring shit in War you'll like rift." well i hated War, got it installed because friends of mine wanted to play it, and its F2P for the most part. I enjoy rift, and the best part is i can play at my own pace without worrying ill fall behind, because others are enjoying the game and are going the same rate i am.
As for game hating, here: "So much for being "polished"." "Letting Trion off the hook for their lofty claims of exceptionalism, simply because others in that genre are of a lower standard is asinine." need to make a quick statement. this is you putting words into Trion's mouth. Nothing i recall from Trion was "lofty claims of exceptionalism." "This doesn't even go into the fact that the server, and game technology is an exact copy of the Gamebryo Game Engine. On that link I provided, you will find the list of games that utilize this game engine, including Rift, The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (2002), and Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning (2008).
That's right, Trion's "Next Gen Game Engine" is almost 9 years old, and is the the less costly DX9 version at that."
again it's been pointed out that yes they use gamebryo in these forums, its also been pointed out that it's a very modified version of that engine. To date its the best DX9 looking game in my opinion.
now lets move on to you flaming/trolling. you asked, ill provide. "It also doesn't take a genius to realize that when a company says their game will be unlike any MMORPG." "You seem to be having trouble coming to grip with tense in English." what's the most humorous part about this last sentense is, he stone walled your whole arguement about how you feel the game isnt next gen and that in fact it wasnt the game being next-gen it was the server technology, even more puntuated later by another poster with a link to exactly what that person was stating.
The worst part of it al,l is the fact that all of your posts look like it came from someone very ill informed wanting to start a fight, was given facts to his arguements and then ignored them to continue on another tangent. you completely failed to take any of the given facts against your arguments with any heart. i mean even here you agree your trolling.
Originally posted by alderdale
Better yet we all troll from time to time so I recant my earlier statement and will just give ya a high five laughing with you not at you.[/b]
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Deal
so after all the posts i read of yours, you at minimum dislike the game and you wont listen to reason when its presented. with that its time for lunch, have a good day.
P.S. again it sucks to have had equipment and money lost in game, so for all those that were hacked, i hope all is well in the end.
Well thanks for going in to all that, but you may want to re-read. I say server technology (the hardware it sits on). Where do I mention game engine? Where to I mention security in regards to next gen.
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I was going to point that out, but I doubt it would really matter at this point. You know how forum wars go. From what I've seen so far, Rift is an entertaining game, and Trion seems to be able to react MUCH faster than Blizzard did back at its launch of WoW. I'd be fascinated to learn more about their server tech, but I doubt we will until later on.
I did note that Trions GM's have been overwhelmed by the usual tidal wave of reports. They should have had more, but then experienced GM's do not grow on trees. It takes time, talent and experience to be a good GM. Over all, I'd say that Rift has had a first class launch. I'm quite looking forward to seeing how the game develops over the next few years.
This should not be called any kind of forum war,nor should anyone hate on Rift,i just look at facts,not from a fanbois or haters view.
We had Aion who made a huge mistake on Que ues during their launch,Trion would have witnessed that for sure.Trion also ran a fairly extensive BEta campaign and showed signs of increasing popularity,not decreasing.
You cannot say a "first class" launch if you had que ues,i am sorry,but you just can't.If no que ues,then i would agree on the first class launch,but facts are facts.
I would say from my playing experience that i witnessed NO problems what so ever in Rift,but i also saw very little that intrigued me,to say WOW that took some polish.The game utilizes a simple design,therefore is simple to polish,not sure Trion deserves any accolades..just yet,in the future?maybe but not yet.
As for the other FACT,EVERY single game has bugs/exploits,some not as prevalent,but no game is perfect,that is for sure.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.