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"WoW Clones"
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I just wanted to state that there is no such thing as a WoW clone. If, Rift, for example, "cloned" WoW, we might as we say that Call of Duty copied Duck Hunt. You shoot in both of them, but are they clones? No. Just because a game is similar, doesn't mean it's a clone, and unless you copy EVERY LAST DETAIL of the game, it's not a clone, a ripoff, a copy, or any other thing you want to call it. After all, where do you think WoW got it's idea from? That's right, other successful mmo's. And where do you think rpg's started? It all went back to one game; Dungeons and Dragons. We might as well be saying all mmo's ripped of Dungeons and Dragons.
My point: There is no WoW clone, rippoff, copy, or any other title. WoW is just top of the market right now of a major genre. Get over it.
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I completely agree. The term "wow clone" has been used far too much by the community. Some people even have the nerve to call SWTOR a wow clone. Well it is not a wow clone in anyway.
Does wow offers you choice in the story? No it does not.
Does wow have a companion system that can influence the player's storyline? No it does not.
Does wow have space combat? I hope your answer is a resounding NO!
Is wow's crafting and swtor's crafting similar in anyway? No they are not.
With the dozen or so threads that have beaten this topic to death I'm pretty sure you understand quite well what the term WOW clone means and why people use it.
But just in case you missed it, basically out of the known universe of possible design features a MMORPG game could have, WOW chose to utilize some number of them and tossed out the rest.
Since that time most new MMO's chose to employ the same feature set as WOW only varying in some small subset.
They follow the standard theme park formula (if you prefer that term) and many games are most certainly deserving of the title of WOW clone.
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I no longer play wow, canceled my sub and time ran out on the 5th.. I hadn't logged in in two months anyway.
You can like RIFT if you want. It may be just your thing but yeah... They spent a lot of time copying Warcraft. I'm not even saying WoW was innovative at launch. I honestly didn't play it then. I'm just saying that it didn't so blatantly rip everything from one competitor. I'd also think that in 6 years games should have more potential for evolution than better graphics.
Heck, on Graphics, RIFT is prettier except for a lot of complaints about combat animation and mount speed so they haven't dominated completely there.
I eagerly awaited RIFT hoping it would be different. I eagerly await other things now hoping they'll be different.
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I wouldn't consider it a clone if the MMORPG improved on that element. I would say it's a wow upgrade. I just think people do it just to make others mad and if not then they are pretty narrow minded and are more or less a wow fan boy.
Saying X is a clone of WoW, is the same as saying WoW is a clone of Asheron's Call.
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Now perhaps we can graduate to statements with context. Yes, if someone merely says a game is a WoW clone with no larger point, then they're being cliche and can rightly be ignored. However, usually the implication is that the successor hasn't innovated much. And that's a valid criticism. You might trace a line from CoD back to Duck Hunt, but you're skipping over some pretty major innovations. Most notable would be Wolfenstein 3D, who added moving around the world as you aim and thereby established FPS as a genre. Had id Software been content to make another target shooter, a near-clone with a few tweaks, then gaming would look very different today.
(Though ironically the Wii has circled us back a bit.)
Any producer would be foolish not to copy tactics from successful predecessors. But at the same time, consumers should be demanding the next big thing, some radically different invention that's so insightful it will be the next thing they all line up to "clone".
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Except that Rift DID basically copy every aspect of the game, hence why it's called that so often. Just like WoW was considered an EQ clone when it launched.
To be short, a word is defined by how its used by it's base. Sorry if you disagree, but with the currently accepted definition of the word, Rift is very much a WoW clone. It's not necessarily a bad thing, especially if you're never played WoW. But plugging your ears with your fingers and pretending that you can dictate the whims of populace simply doesn't work.
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This says it really well. I don't play and don't like RIFT because I regard it as a clone but I would recommend the game (if it sustains decent membership 2-3 months from now) to anyone who hasn't played Warcraft.
Rolling a character in RIFT feels way too much like rolling a wow alt on a different server so that I don't have access to my gold/friends/etc. I believe that if I'd never played wow, I'd enjoy RIFT every bit as much as I ever enjoyed WoW.
Thinking about trying DCUO for something different.
Secret World looks so refreshing.
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While I agree that the term "WoW clone" is way overused and mostly undeserved, if there was ever a game deserving of the title "WoW clone" Rift is it. IMO, Rift is the first 'true' WoW clone. There are so many aspects of Rift that are exactly like WoW it's not funny. And I'm not talking about superficial things like they both have quests and character advancement. I'm talking very specific, obvious, blatant, intentional similarites with WoW. Their advertising even says "We're not in Azeroth anymore". Anyone who doesn't think Rift is a clone of WoW either hasn't played Rift, or hasn't played WoW, or is blind.
All of the features in the first release of WoW were already present in EQ and DAoC. If anything WoW ripped off those two games for ideas and since then so have many others. EQ and DAoC are the mother and father of modern mmos.
I would like to correct you on the first 'true' wow clone. Runes of Magic is. That game is a replica of WOW almost and it's just as bad as wow.
Well there was UO and M59 before EQ and DAoC, but yes WoW mostly copied EQ and a few other successful MMO's from the time, imporving on some of the mechanics and simplifying others. The reason we don't call all of these games EQ clones or any other MMO though because they are trying to "clone" WoW's succcess. While there is a whole other argument as to if it is a good idea to set the bar so high, the reality is they are going for WoW like status, not EQ like status - hence WoW clones.
Sure but the heavy instancing and level purely through Quests aspects of WoW weren't there in EQ and DAOC and neither were BG style PvP (which I know was added later but that is just because they released before they were ready to, we were told over and over in beta they would be tested before release).
I'd argue that Rift is more of a WAR clone than a WoW one, but WAR was more or less a WoW clone with a tiny bit of DAOC thrown in for PvP, so it would just be semantics. I just tried LOTRO the other day and that is more or less a WOW clone now as well.
Games like GW2 and Tera certainly aren't WoW clones, SWTOR might be though.
There are no clones only innovation.
There are wow clones. The term is just used to much by people that don't know how to use it.
quite right here .i recall at wow launch ,eq players called it either a eq clone or a eq upgrade depending if they liked or hated it.
only difference is there were only a "small" crowd playing mmo back then to be as vocal as the new millions we have in mmo genre nowadays.
rift is going thru the same been called an upgrade or clone now.maybe thats actually a good sign for the game!
Wrong!
Check out Alganon, that is a WoW clone. Not as much now maybe due to the endless work by self-proclaimed super genius Derek Smart, but that was pretty much a shitty WoW clone.
Rift is a WoW Clone that has essentially been modded. That is all. It brings upon certain changes that Blizzard will probably never do and hence appeals, to ex-WoW players or soon-to-be ex-WoW players.
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hmm but what do u call a clone of a clone then.if you played everquest you would see loads of wow features came from there.refined but from there like rift did.bottom line is it fun.if I based my judgement of a game on copying other game I would have missed out on wow and all the fun I had.rift has done the same for me.I feel it upgraded wow and war Features imho.