Top RVR player on my shard hit 50 after 6 days and proceeded to pvp. The grind to 50 was bad and after lvl 12 or so you have seen the full content of the game. I would avoid this game if you can.
Entertaining for a month maybe longer if you play very slow.
If you must play be a mage or cleric. They have the best choice's for high end play as you can fill any role in a group other then tank.
Rogue's and warriors are horrible in pvp compared to the other 2 class's and make no real difference in a pvp match. The team with the most heals win's 90% of the time so make sure you take a healing path.
Quit just before hitting rank 6 on Tearfall server as a warrior.
Speaknspell
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Stopped reading after that, anytime someone calls 6 days of ANYTHING a GRIND, I am afraid they can't be saying anything useful to me.
Top RVR player on my shard hit 50 after 6 days and proceeded to pvp. The grind to 50 was bad and after lvl 12 or so you have seen the full content of the game. I would avoid this game if you can.
Entertaining for a month maybe longer if you play very slow.
If you must play be a mage or cleric. They have the best choice's for high end play as you can fill any role in a group other then tank.
Rogue's and warriors are horrible in pvp compared to the other 2 class's and make no real difference in a pvp match. The team with the most heals win's 90% of the time so make sure you take a healing path.
Quit just before hitting rank 6 on Tearfall server as a warrior.
Speaknspell
50 War-Rank5 Tearfall
Stopped reading after that, anytime someone calls 6 days of ANYTHING a GRIND, I am afraid they can't be saying anything useful to me.
Thanks, and back to my *grinding* in Rift.
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So he's warning other likeminded (PvP) players away from the game.
I find it highly amusing how many people personally attack the guy for not liking a game they play.
Different strokes for different folks. The guy liked to PvP, and the game has crappy PvP.
I find it more amusing that someone went into a pve game, a game that has been touted a pve game since beta and then decries it as a bad pvp game. he has every right to hate the game but why would anyone who considered themselves a "top pvp'er" go into a game without any research at all, bowl through the content in a week (and calling it a grind no less) and then once at the top say "hey! The pvp sucks".
If I like action movies I'm not going to go to "27 Dresses" and start warning people that there are no car chases and the action sucks.
sigh. oh who am I kidding, the action in "27 Dresses" is sublime and the car chases only sweeten the deal.
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What ever happened to not liking something and moving on? OP is just mad he/she/it wasted time on RIFT before deciding he/she/it did not like it after all.
I played the Free Weekend event, found some things I found really neat like Rifts and the soul system, but was overall uninspired by the rest of the gameplay. Don't see me whineing like a spoiled brat about it though. And I wish the game, and all who play it and enjoy it the best. Just not for me.
Posts like this disgust me. What's the point of having a forum if all that's ever in it are posts & threads praising the game's good points without revealing the bad?
I praise the OP for his honesty & experience when it comes to this game. I too have been looking for another "Daoc II" with no luck, and was contemplating buying this game. Thank you for steering me clear of this game . I had my suspiciouns about the game's emptyness & lack of decent PvP or depth just from videos, descriptions, walkthroughs for classes, and class abilities.
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Posts like this disgust me. What's the point of having a forum if all that's ever in it are posts and threads jumping all over a games bad points without ever revealing the good?
I condemn the OP for his dishonesty and lack of experience, as I doubt he's even played the game. I too have been looking for another game, and was contemplating this one.
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Enough people already talk about the good points, it's only recently that people are posting the bad points of Rift cause they refuse to see the bad points before the game comes out.
No there's been a handful of people that have been coming on the Rift forums over and over since beta talking about the bad points already.
I find it more amusing that someone went into a pve game, a game that has been touted a pvp game since beta and then decries it as a bad pvp game. he has every right to hate the game but why would anyone who considered themselves a "top pvp'er" go into a game without any research at all, bowl through the content in a week (and calling it a grind no less) and then once at the top say "hey! The pvp sucks".
If I like action movies I'm not going to get to "27 Dresses" and start warning people that there are no car chases and the action sucks.
sigh. oh who am I kidding, the action in "27 Dresses" is sublime and the car chases only sweeten the deal.
Prior to release, there were very few posts regarding PvP, specifically endgame PvP, aside from "Nerf Sab" posts.
The OP stated in his second post that he wished someone has made a post similar to his prior to launch, so he could have saved the money.
So we are all in agreeance then that the game has bad PvP.
Enough people already talk about the good points, it's only recently that people are posting the bad points of Rift cause they refuse to see the bad points before the game comes out.
No there's been a handful of people that have been coming on the Rift forums over and over since beta talking about the bad points already.
As of typing out this post, there are 3 out of 19 unstickied threads on the front page that are saying remotely negative things about Rift as a game. One of them is locked, and one of this is asking if you've quit. This is the third.
Well everyone is entitled to their opinion so I will share mine as well. is Rift grounbreaking? No. Is Rift a great PvP game? No again. Is Rift the one game to rule them all? Not a chance. Is Rift worth the $50 and free month. To me absolutely. While I haven't reached eng game as of yet (lev 38 Bladedancer on Greenscale) I will say it has been a blast playing a game that released with few actual flaws (broken zones, bugs, busted game mechanics, etc...) The fact that they offer free trial weekends shows Trion, at least, stands by their product and aren't afraid to let those that are on the fence give it a shot. Grind has been normal imo. Content has been there and the rifts do a great job of breaking up the monotiny of questing. And the community isn't bad.
It is something that is entertaining enough to keep me busy untill something better comes out and I know I willl get my moneys worth. Hell I had to buy 2 copies (1 for the wife) and I's still say it was an investment well spent.
While I won't knock to OP for the garbage I had to read, I will say I agree with the negative words thrown his way. He opted to give his opinion and base his reasonings on false claims and that is where he went wrong. An opinion isn't worth squat if you back it up with untruths. The game may not be for everyone, but I am not so jaded that I can't find my entertainment.
I find it more amusing that someone went into a pve game, a game that has been touted a pvp game since beta and then decries it as a bad pvp game. he has every right to hate the game but why would anyone who considered themselves a "top pvp'er" go into a game without any research at all, bowl through the content in a week (and calling it a grind no less) and then once at the top say "hey! The pvp sucks".
If I like action movies I'm not going to get to "27 Dresses" and start warning people that there are no car chases and the action sucks.
sigh. oh who am I kidding, the action in "27 Dresses" is sublime and the car chases only sweeten the deal.
Prior to release, there were very few posts regarding PvP, specifically endgame PvP, aside from "Nerf Sab" posts.
The OP stated in his second post that he wished someone has made a post similar to his prior to launch, so he could have saved the money.
So we are all in agreeance then that the game has bad PvP.
Of course I have to concede the fact that very few people (closed beta testers maybe?) knew about end game pvp. But we did know about pvp prior to "end game" since beta.
which was essentially these battlegrounds.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would go into a game as a pvp player when there was info on pvp prior to end game and hope against all hopes that the top lvl pvp was going to be great.
or here's an idea, before he purchased the game (he hasn't been playing that long) come to these forums (or others if they suited him) and ask "hey, I'm a pvp'er and I want good pvp. I haven't seen too much on the pvp so could someone fill me in before I buy the game?"
As far as whether or not the pvp in this game is good or bad? It's a battleground pvp, it is what it is. I personally don't believe in "balance" and would rather put my trust in good group mates. For my taste not every class needs to be balanced, it just needs to be able to do something well. I know for my part as a defensive melee character I was able to chase people off the healers so that was good enough for me.
And I've harassed several players "to death" as they tried to get away from me or try to kill me and not succeding because they were essentialy whittling down a meat shield.
Besides, his post is "this game is horrible - skip it". Not "this game is great but the pvp is horrible - skip it". He really doesn't touch on the rest of the game, just calls it a grind for the week he was playing.
The game does what it does well ehough for it to be a "fun" game. My opinion would be that it needs more depth which will only come in time should he developers want to add it.
But since it does what it does well enough and is rather fun for those who allow themselves to have fun (or who did their research beforehand) I wouldn't say it was horrible.
But as he seemingly just bought the game in the last few weeks I still ask where are his "hey guys, this is the type of game I am looking for/things I like - does rift have it?" posts.
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I find it more amusing that someone went into a pve game, a game that has been touted a pvp game since beta and then decries it as a bad pvp game. he has every right to hate the game but why would anyone who considered themselves a "top pvp'er" go into a game without any research at all, bowl through the content in a week (and calling it a grind no less) and then once at the top say "hey! The pvp sucks".
If I like action movies I'm not going to get to "27 Dresses" and start warning people that there are no car chases and the action sucks.
sigh. oh who am I kidding, the action in "27 Dresses" is sublime and the car chases only sweeten the deal.
Prior to release, there were very few posts regarding PvP, specifically endgame PvP, aside from "Nerf Sab" posts.
The OP stated in his second post that he wished someone has made a post similar to his prior to launch, so he could have saved the money.
So we are all in agreeance then that the game has bad PvP.
Of course I have to concede the fact that very few people (closed beta testers maybe?) knew about end game pvp. But we did know about pvp prior to "end game" since beta.
which was essentially these battlegrounds.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would go into a game as a pvp player when there was info on pvp prior to end game and hope against all hopes that the top lvl pvp was going to be great.
or here's an idea, before he purchased the game (he hasn't been playing that long) come to these forums (or others if they suited him) and ask "hey, I'm a pvp'er and I want good pvp. I haven't seen too much on the pvp so could someone fill me in before I buy the game?"
As far as whether or not the pvp in this game is good or bad? It's a battleground pvp, it is what it is. I personally don't believe in "balance" and would rather put my trust in good group mates. For my taste not every class needs to be balanced, it just needs to be able to do something well. I know for my part as a defensive melee character I was able to chase people off the healers so that was good enough for me.
And I've harassed several players "to death" as they tried to get away from me or try to kill me and not succeding because they were essentialy whittling down a meat shield.
Besides, his post is "this game is horrible - skip it". Not "this game is great but the pvp is horrible - skip it". He really doesn't touch on the rest of the game, just calls it a grind for the week he was playing.
The game does what it does well ehough for it to be a "fun" game. My opinion would be that it needs more depth which will only come in time should he developers want to add it.
But since it does what it does well enough and is rather fun for those who allow themselves to have fun (or who did their research beforehand) I wouldn't say it was horrible.
But as he seemingly just bought the game in the last few weeks I still ask where are his "hey guys, this is the type of game I am looking for/things I like - does rift have it?" posts.
Actually the pvp end game is raiding other city capital/hubs this has not been enabled yet.
Top RVR player on my shard hit 50 after 6 days and proceeded to pvp. The grind to 50 was bad and after lvl 12 or so you have seen the full content of the game. I would avoid this game if you can.
Entertaining for a month maybe longer if you play very slow.
If you must play be a mage or cleric. They have the best choice's for high end play as you can fill any role in a group other then tank.
Rogue's and warriors are horrible in pvp compared to the other 2 class's and make no real difference in a pvp match. The team with the most heals win's 90% of the time so make sure you take a healing path.
Quit just before hitting rank 6 on Tearfall server as a warrior.
Speaknspell
50 War-Rank5 Tearfall
At first, I was just going to slam your inability to form a complete sentence in your post topic. However, unfortunately I kept reading. You are wrong on all of your points. Factually wrong.
First of all, when you reach level 12... you've only seen 12 levels of content. You can't obtain new souls until 13. You also can't do much PvP due to not being at the end of the 10-19 pvp level range. You also shouldn't even try the first dungeon until you're around level 16 or so. In fact, at level 12, you probably haven't even reached Meridian or Sanctum yet. So on all accounts, you are factually wrong.
Secondly, you say that people should be a cleric or a mage. One, mages have JUST gotten a nice calling-wide damage buff. So they have only JUST become somewhat balanced. They are harder to play due to the fact that they have little armor and little health. To suggest mage as a starting calling is quite silly to me for those reasons.
Third, you claim that clerics cannot be tanks. Actually they can be very effective tanks. The Justicar soul is a tank soul. and a pretty good one at that. I'd suggest to anyone just getting into the game who hasn't played WoW to pick a cleric, it's kind of like a Paladin. Good survivability, good versatility, good damage, good healing, etc.
And lastly, you are completely and utterly factually wrong when it comes to rogues and warriors in PvP. Rogues and warriors are the most OP callings in PvP right now actually. Either you are joking or you are playing a different game than the rest of us. Look at the forums. All the complaints are about teams full of bards and 2 handed weilding warriors. Too much damage and too much healing. I have no clue where you could have gotten your information from. You certainly haven't played much of the game. There's no way you'd be that far off base with all of the information that you've given if you actually played.
You claim to be level 50 and rank 5 as a warrior. even if this is true, it's quite obvious that you blasted through the content and breakneck speeds. You didn't even bother to slow down and take your time. Learn the lore. Explore. Craft. Run dungeons and rifts. Collect artifacts. Titles. All the other parts of the game that you've missed because you grinded like a madman through the instanced PvP. No wonder people get burned out and pissed off. When you play 10 hours a day from launch, DUH?
I call BS on this post. Just my opinion. If you're interested in a very polished fantasy MMO, you owe it to yourself to give it a shot. It's not going to be for everyone, but don't take the opinion of some hardcore gamer that burned themselves out and quit as your own. Big woop, you lost 50 bucks.
Enough people already talk about the good points, it's only recently that people are posting the bad points of Rift cause they refuse to see the bad points before the game comes out.
No there's been a handful of people that have been coming on the Rift forums over and over since beta talking about the bad points already.
As of typing out this post, there are 3 out of 19 unstickied threads on the front page that are saying remotely negative things about Rift as a game. One of them is locked, and one of this is asking if you've quit. This is the third.
That mean rift is a good game then!!..
All the other game are alll 50/50 ..usally more people hating
I love how people who are not even 50 post here saying how much they love the game. Yeah its ok until 50. Nothing new or spectacular, but its kinda fun. Thing about mmos is the leveling is only part of the game. There is supposed to be a thing we call end-game.
In rift end game is doing more pve, or roaming around the open world looking for someone to fight, but there is no one cause they are all in an instance, or you can do warfronts, or you can do daily quests.
Basically you can do all the same things you could do before, only you have already done it for 50 levels.
I had a 50 rogue 40 cleric and 26 warrior, like i said was fun for a while, but the only reason i played as much as i did was because of my friends. After a while i would log on, and if none of my friends were on i would get so bored twiddling my thumbs between boring warfronts, that i would log off. Eventually you will stop logging in altogether.
Unless you like carrots, then this game will keep you happy for a little longer. I have a couple hardcore friends who were doing greenscale, and they spend most of their time standing around in the city .
I wouldn't say horrible. It is fun for a while. But once you hit 50, everything is just a grind. To get to prestige rank 5, the OP obviously invested a lot of time into it and likely feels short-changed. I uninstalled after I realized how much time it would take to get the level 6 prestige gear AND after a particularly buggy week with the lead-up to the now delayed world event.
Once they get they the LFG tool up and running it will be better. Sadly, it will be too late for a lot of people.
It's not horrible, it's just extremely bland, unimaginative and completely run-of-the-mill MMO that noone but the few diehard fans will care about in three months.
Top RVR player on my shard hit 50 after 6 days and proceeded to pvp. The grind to 50 was bad and after lvl 12 or so you have seen the full content of the game. I would avoid this game if you can.
Entertaining for a month maybe longer if you play very slow.
If you must play be a mage or cleric. They have the best choice's for high end play as you can fill any role in a group other then tank.
Rogue's and warriors are horrible in pvp compared to the other 2 class's and make no real difference in a pvp match. The team with the most heals win's 90% of the time so make sure you take a healing path.
Quit just before hitting rank 6 on Tearfall server as a warrior.
Speaknspell
50 War-Rank5 Tearfall
At first, I was just going to slam your inability to form a complete sentence in your post topic. However, unfortunately I kept reading. You are wrong on all of your points. Factually wrong.
First of all, when you reach level 12... you've only seen 12 levels of content. You can't obtain new souls until 13. You also can't do much PvP due to not being at the end of the 10-19 pvp level range. You also shouldn't even try the first dungeon until you're around level 16 or so. In fact, at level 12, you probably haven't even reached Meridian or Sanctum yet. So on all accounts, you are factually wrong.
Secondly, you say that people should be a cleric or a mage. One, mages have JUST gotten a nice calling-wide damage buff. So they have only JUST become somewhat balanced. They are harder to play due to the fact that they have little armor and little health. To suggest mage as a starting calling is quite silly to me for those reasons.
Third, you claim that clerics cannot be tanks. Actually they can be very effective tanks. The Justicar soul is a tank soul. and a pretty good one at that. I'd suggest to anyone just getting into the game who hasn't played WoW to pick a cleric, it's kind of like a Paladin. Good survivability, good versatility, good damage, good healing, etc.
And lastly, you are completely and utterly factually wrong when it comes to rogues and warriors in PvP. Rogues and warriors are the most OP callings in PvP right now actually. Either you are joking or you are playing a different game than the rest of us. Look at the forums. All the complaints are about teams full of bards and 2 handed weilding warriors. Too much damage and too much healing. I have no clue where you could have gotten your information from. You certainly haven't played much of the game. There's no way you'd be that far off base with all of the information that you've given if you actually played.
You claim to be level 50 and rank 5 as a warrior. even if this is true, it's quite obvious that you blasted through the content and breakneck speeds. You didn't even bother to slow down and take your time. Learn the lore. Explore. Craft. Run dungeons and rifts. Collect artifacts. Titles. All the other parts of the game that you've missed because you grinded like a madman through the instanced PvP. No wonder people get burned out and pissed off. When you play 10 hours a day from launch, DUH?
I call BS on this post. Just my opinion. If you're interested in a very polished fantasy MMO, you owe it to yourself to give it a shot. It's not going to be for everyone, but don't take the opinion of some hardcore gamer that burned themselves out and quit as your own. Big woop, you lost 50 bucks.
I'm afraid that (highlighted) is out of date, since 1.1 was released. The current OP class in PvP and PvE is Mage, and to be more precise Pyro/Chloro Mage. To the extent that they are even more OP than Champion (PvP) and Reaver (solo PvE) focused Warriors used to be.
Currently dps wise its mage>cleric>warrior>rogue. Warrior and Rogue damage got gutted, along with the flexibility the soul system used to offer for a viable build. There is one high dps build for Warriors (Champion/Beast Master/Paragon), that will push them above Cleric damage. However, in PvP that build gets ripped apart.
Rogues, are currently a joke. They have the lowest DPS, and while they can heal through the Bard soul, both Mages and Clerics are much stronger in that area. Warriors are even worse off, as its one build for dps (if you want to raid), or become a tank.
The game is currently less balanced than it was at launch. Which leads me onto my biggest concern with Rift. It had a good launch and came across as polished, but with each patch since it seems to be loosing that. 1.1 also introduced more elitist stances from raiding guilds, as builds are being much closely monitored. I play a level 50 Warrior, and am in a raiding guild, but because of having to play a build I don't enjoy I've lost interest (even before attending my first raid).
Rift has quite dull quests, with a lot of back and forth. Plus a not very well hidden mob grind, i.e. such a high concentration of mobs and re-spawn rates that one is constantly fighting through just to reach quest objectives. Only to be sent back through all the mobs upon the next update, and in many cases several times. XP in Rift mostly doesn't come from quests, its from killing mobs. The difference between pure mob grinding simply being the quests directing you through the masses, instead of having no apparent reason other than for XP.
For example many quests are kill X of Y, but at the same time you'll receive a speak to/collect quest. To complete the latter you typically have to kill (probably) three times the number of mobs required for the other quest, to simply reach it.
Only 50 levels, not that bad of a grind. OP is a cry baby, ALL MMOs suffer from a grind, but the best part about this MMO is you can literally change your class at will. Mix up your souls, try new combos
What's amazing is that the souls that are lame at low levels mature into fun ones at higher levels, and the ones that you levelled with will likely not be the one you play as in PVP or even use much at 50.
This is a solid game, Crafting leaves something to be desired, but other than that it's quite impressive.
I wouldn't suggest PVP though. and it looks SOOOOOOO much better than it's often compared to competition.
Some people just hate this game to hate it. I don't know why, but they do. If you liked EQ, EQ2, WoW, and/or LotRO, you'll most likely like this game. This game is very similar to all of them in most ways, however instead of just having a single class for your character you have 9, to mix and match as you want to play them. Rift just took everything that has worked well in the past and just made it a little better.
It's so easy to tell if someone is new to MMOs are if they're older. The fact that in Rift you can easily get to 50 in a week, and casually in a month (maybe 2 for slower people), this game's level grind is nothing compared to older games. It used to take a month just to get from 40-50 in DAoC, and it's one of the greatest games ever made.
So what if he says the grind is horrible, but he stuck through it anyway. That's pretty much every single MMO on the list. Who hasn't stuck through the grind for as long as possible hoping it would get better?
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And No content after level 12? He's right, from a different point-of-view. So what if there's cascades of endless content that would fill mountains? If it's all the same thing over and over again, what's the difference of not having any passed the first? Some people aren't satisfied by the mind-crushing quest grind, or the boring-after-awhile Rift system.
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While some of my opinions may differ from the OP and everyone else as well, just trying to play Devil's Advocate here.
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Stopped reading after that, anytime someone calls 6 days of ANYTHING a GRIND, I am afraid they can't be saying anything useful to me.
Thanks, and back to my *grinding* in Rift.
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I find it more amusing that someone went into a pve game, a game that has been touted a pve game since beta and then decries it as a bad pvp game. he has every right to hate the game but why would anyone who considered themselves a "top pvp'er" go into a game without any research at all, bowl through the content in a week (and calling it a grind no less) and then once at the top say "hey! The pvp sucks".
If I like action movies I'm not going to go to "27 Dresses" and start warning people that there are no car chases and the action sucks.
sigh. oh who am I kidding, the action in "27 Dresses" is sublime and the car chases only sweeten the deal.
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No there's been a handful of people that have been coming on the Rift forums over and over since beta talking about the bad points already.
Prior to release, there were very few posts regarding PvP, specifically endgame PvP, aside from "Nerf Sab" posts.
The OP stated in his second post that he wished someone has made a post similar to his prior to launch, so he could have saved the money.
So we are all in agreeance then that the game has bad PvP.
.. But in a good way.
As of typing out this post, there are 3 out of 19 unstickied threads on the front page that are saying remotely negative things about Rift as a game. One of them is locked, and one of this is asking if you've quit. This is the third.
.. But in a good way.
Well everyone is entitled to their opinion so I will share mine as well. is Rift grounbreaking? No. Is Rift a great PvP game? No again. Is Rift the one game to rule them all? Not a chance. Is Rift worth the $50 and free month. To me absolutely. While I haven't reached eng game as of yet (lev 38 Bladedancer on Greenscale) I will say it has been a blast playing a game that released with few actual flaws (broken zones, bugs, busted game mechanics, etc...) The fact that they offer free trial weekends shows Trion, at least, stands by their product and aren't afraid to let those that are on the fence give it a shot. Grind has been normal imo. Content has been there and the rifts do a great job of breaking up the monotiny of questing. And the community isn't bad.
It is something that is entertaining enough to keep me busy untill something better comes out and I know I willl get my moneys worth. Hell I had to buy 2 copies (1 for the wife) and I's still say it was an investment well spent.
While I won't knock to OP for the garbage I had to read, I will say I agree with the negative words thrown his way. He opted to give his opinion and base his reasonings on false claims and that is where he went wrong. An opinion isn't worth squat if you back it up with untruths. The game may not be for everyone, but I am not so jaded that I can't find my entertainment.
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Of course I have to concede the fact that very few people (closed beta testers maybe?) knew about end game pvp. But we did know about pvp prior to "end game" since beta.
which was essentially these battlegrounds.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would go into a game as a pvp player when there was info on pvp prior to end game and hope against all hopes that the top lvl pvp was going to be great.
or here's an idea, before he purchased the game (he hasn't been playing that long) come to these forums (or others if they suited him) and ask "hey, I'm a pvp'er and I want good pvp. I haven't seen too much on the pvp so could someone fill me in before I buy the game?"
As far as whether or not the pvp in this game is good or bad? It's a battleground pvp, it is what it is. I personally don't believe in "balance" and would rather put my trust in good group mates. For my taste not every class needs to be balanced, it just needs to be able to do something well. I know for my part as a defensive melee character I was able to chase people off the healers so that was good enough for me.
And I've harassed several players "to death" as they tried to get away from me or try to kill me and not succeding because they were essentialy whittling down a meat shield.
Besides, his post is "this game is horrible - skip it". Not "this game is great but the pvp is horrible - skip it". He really doesn't touch on the rest of the game, just calls it a grind for the week he was playing.
The game does what it does well ehough for it to be a "fun" game. My opinion would be that it needs more depth which will only come in time should he developers want to add it.
But since it does what it does well enough and is rather fun for those who allow themselves to have fun (or who did their research beforehand) I wouldn't say it was horrible.
But as he seemingly just bought the game in the last few weeks I still ask where are his "hey guys, this is the type of game I am looking for/things I like - does rift have it?" posts.
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Huge analytical flaw made by op.
Grind is short =/= grind is bad.
Actually the pvp end game is raiding other city capital/hubs this has not been enabled yet.
At first, I was just going to slam your inability to form a complete sentence in your post topic. However, unfortunately I kept reading. You are wrong on all of your points. Factually wrong.
First of all, when you reach level 12... you've only seen 12 levels of content. You can't obtain new souls until 13. You also can't do much PvP due to not being at the end of the 10-19 pvp level range. You also shouldn't even try the first dungeon until you're around level 16 or so. In fact, at level 12, you probably haven't even reached Meridian or Sanctum yet. So on all accounts, you are factually wrong.
Secondly, you say that people should be a cleric or a mage. One, mages have JUST gotten a nice calling-wide damage buff. So they have only JUST become somewhat balanced. They are harder to play due to the fact that they have little armor and little health. To suggest mage as a starting calling is quite silly to me for those reasons.
Third, you claim that clerics cannot be tanks. Actually they can be very effective tanks. The Justicar soul is a tank soul. and a pretty good one at that. I'd suggest to anyone just getting into the game who hasn't played WoW to pick a cleric, it's kind of like a Paladin. Good survivability, good versatility, good damage, good healing, etc.
And lastly, you are completely and utterly factually wrong when it comes to rogues and warriors in PvP. Rogues and warriors are the most OP callings in PvP right now actually. Either you are joking or you are playing a different game than the rest of us. Look at the forums. All the complaints are about teams full of bards and 2 handed weilding warriors. Too much damage and too much healing. I have no clue where you could have gotten your information from. You certainly haven't played much of the game. There's no way you'd be that far off base with all of the information that you've given if you actually played.
You claim to be level 50 and rank 5 as a warrior. even if this is true, it's quite obvious that you blasted through the content and breakneck speeds. You didn't even bother to slow down and take your time. Learn the lore. Explore. Craft. Run dungeons and rifts. Collect artifacts. Titles. All the other parts of the game that you've missed because you grinded like a madman through the instanced PvP. No wonder people get burned out and pissed off. When you play 10 hours a day from launch, DUH?
I call BS on this post. Just my opinion. If you're interested in a very polished fantasy MMO, you owe it to yourself to give it a shot. It's not going to be for everyone, but don't take the opinion of some hardcore gamer that burned themselves out and quit as your own. Big woop, you lost 50 bucks.
Well, then that's certainly something to look forward to now isn't it?
as a note, I'm flipping back throug all the rift threads and it seems there is no end on "I just played rift this is my opinion" threads".
There seems to be enough info on this forum alone to at least give a person some pause before they buy this game.
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Whenever it is added, I'm sure that will give PvPers a good reason to play.
Until then, the endgame PvP is Warfronts.
.. But in a good way.
That mean rift is a good game then!!..
All the other game are alll 50/50 ..usally more people hating
I love how people who are not even 50 post here saying how much they love the game. Yeah its ok until 50. Nothing new or spectacular, but its kinda fun. Thing about mmos is the leveling is only part of the game. There is supposed to be a thing we call end-game.
In rift end game is doing more pve, or roaming around the open world looking for someone to fight, but there is no one cause they are all in an instance, or you can do warfronts, or you can do daily quests.
Basically you can do all the same things you could do before, only you have already done it for 50 levels.
I had a 50 rogue 40 cleric and 26 warrior, like i said was fun for a while, but the only reason i played as much as i did was because of my friends. After a while i would log on, and if none of my friends were on i would get so bored twiddling my thumbs between boring warfronts, that i would log off. Eventually you will stop logging in altogether.
Unless you like carrots, then this game will keep you happy for a little longer. I have a couple hardcore friends who were doing greenscale, and they spend most of their time standing around in the city .
Game is Horrible, Skip it. » Agreed.
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I wouldn't say horrible. It is fun for a while. But once you hit 50, everything is just a grind. To get to prestige rank 5, the OP obviously invested a lot of time into it and likely feels short-changed. I uninstalled after I realized how much time it would take to get the level 6 prestige gear AND after a particularly buggy week with the lead-up to the now delayed world event.
Once they get they the LFG tool up and running it will be better. Sadly, it will be too late for a lot of people.
It's not horrible, it's just extremely bland, unimaginative and completely run-of-the-mill MMO that noone but the few diehard fans will care about in three months.
I'm afraid that (highlighted) is out of date, since 1.1 was released. The current OP class in PvP and PvE is Mage, and to be more precise Pyro/Chloro Mage. To the extent that they are even more OP than Champion (PvP) and Reaver (solo PvE) focused Warriors used to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzLGOhdm4Ds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjIgeIJ8efg
Currently dps wise its mage>cleric>warrior>rogue. Warrior and Rogue damage got gutted, along with the flexibility the soul system used to offer for a viable build. There is one high dps build for Warriors (Champion/Beast Master/Paragon), that will push them above Cleric damage. However, in PvP that build gets ripped apart.
Rogues, are currently a joke. They have the lowest DPS, and while they can heal through the Bard soul, both Mages and Clerics are much stronger in that area. Warriors are even worse off, as its one build for dps (if you want to raid), or become a tank.
The game is currently less balanced than it was at launch. Which leads me onto my biggest concern with Rift. It had a good launch and came across as polished, but with each patch since it seems to be loosing that. 1.1 also introduced more elitist stances from raiding guilds, as builds are being much closely monitored. I play a level 50 Warrior, and am in a raiding guild, but because of having to play a build I don't enjoy I've lost interest (even before attending my first raid).
I've not played Rift so I can't comment on the game.
However, you are saying someone got to 50 in 6 days but the grind was bad? I don't think you've played many MMOs if you think that is true.
I think he just means a boring grind.
Rift has quite dull quests, with a lot of back and forth. Plus a not very well hidden mob grind, i.e. such a high concentration of mobs and re-spawn rates that one is constantly fighting through just to reach quest objectives. Only to be sent back through all the mobs upon the next update, and in many cases several times. XP in Rift mostly doesn't come from quests, its from killing mobs. The difference between pure mob grinding simply being the quests directing you through the masses, instead of having no apparent reason other than for XP.
For example many quests are kill X of Y, but at the same time you'll receive a speak to/collect quest. To complete the latter you typically have to kill (probably) three times the number of mobs required for the other quest, to simply reach it.
Only 50 levels, not that bad of a grind. OP is a cry baby, ALL MMOs suffer from a grind, but the best part about this MMO is you can literally change your class at will. Mix up your souls, try new combos
What's amazing is that the souls that are lame at low levels mature into fun ones at higher levels, and the ones that you levelled with will likely not be the one you play as in PVP or even use much at 50.
This is a solid game, Crafting leaves something to be desired, but other than that it's quite impressive.
I wouldn't suggest PVP though. and it looks SOOOOOOO much better than it's often compared to competition.
Some people just hate this game to hate it. I don't know why, but they do. If you liked EQ, EQ2, WoW, and/or LotRO, you'll most likely like this game. This game is very similar to all of them in most ways, however instead of just having a single class for your character you have 9, to mix and match as you want to play them. Rift just took everything that has worked well in the past and just made it a little better.
It's so easy to tell if someone is new to MMOs are if they're older. The fact that in Rift you can easily get to 50 in a week, and casually in a month (maybe 2 for slower people), this game's level grind is nothing compared to older games. It used to take a month just to get from 40-50 in DAoC, and it's one of the greatest games ever made.
I am mostly trying to balance uber unrealistic positive threads, but this is just ridiculous.
People have the right to try it at least..
I hate the threads that praise Rift like the freaking 2nd coming, but I see the other side does just as much harm.
Wow, calm down guys. You don't have to be rude.
So what if he says the grind is horrible, but he stuck through it anyway. That's pretty much every single MMO on the list. Who hasn't stuck through the grind for as long as possible hoping it would get better?
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And No content after level 12? He's right, from a different point-of-view. So what if there's cascades of endless content that would fill mountains? If it's all the same thing over and over again, what's the difference of not having any passed the first? Some people aren't satisfied by the mind-crushing quest grind, or the boring-after-awhile Rift system.
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While some of my opinions may differ from the OP and everyone else as well, just trying to play Devil's Advocate here.