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Rift down to 39.99?

Kw22Kw22 Member UncommonPosts: 21

So i played this game in the first couple of betas and it really didn't do it for me, I figured eventually all the "OMG, theres so many souls look how customizable it can be!" fodder would eventually break into if you're a pvp rogue your 1-2 options are X and Y, so on so forth mixed in with a leveling exploit where very little was done so i hear, crazy class imbalance (champions/warriors, saboteurs)... Made this like every other MMO launch i had tried in the past 5 years.

I know I ask too much but these beta events are a joke, they're way more a sneak preview of the game than the players really helping them fix what needs to be changed.  Granted in Beta 1 when I finished the newbie area and was stranded on the beach with 400 other players waiting for the same 15 mobs to spawn that was addressed, so there is some good that comes out of it.  I don't understand why games don't beta-buff people to specific levels and test how end game class balance works.  Would it have been terrible to buff people to 40 or so and let them enter the pvp instances?? PvP is usually always a solid indicator as to which classes need tweaks when warriors are destroying everything in sight.

Anyhoo I was on ebgames to preorder Battlefield 3 and i saw Rift had already come down to 40 bucks.  Is this some sort of promotion is the box price reduced 20% already in a month and a half?  Not a bad gig since most games run you 60.00 these days, what do you guys think is the main cause of the price decrease so soon?  Is the game struggling population-wise already?

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  • Ender4Ender4 Member UncommonPosts: 2,247

    They paid to get a lot of good press in the magazines (nothing against Trion that is just how it works) so now they are hoping to turn that into as many box sales as they can before the next wave of MMO come out and turn Rift into a ghostland. They have to realize the timing of their release is about as good as it can be, far enough after the WoW expansion that people are quitting that and far enough before the next big MMOs that people are willing to play just about anything that gets released.

  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657

    I guess you could call it struggling when servers only have occasional log-in queues during prime playing times. I wouldn't.

    "I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone.  It's not.  The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone."  Robin Williams
  • daemondaemon Member UncommonPosts: 680

    People are saving for Tera, GW2 and ToR of course..

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247

    Originally posted by proh

    Anyhoo I was on ebgames to preorder Battlefield 3 and i saw Rift had already come down to 40 bucks.  Is this some sort of promotion is the box price reduced 20% already in a month and a half?  Not a bad gig since most games run you 60.00 these days, what do you guys think is the main cause of the price decrease so soon?  Is the game struggling population-wise already?

    Do any MMOs still sell for $60 after the first couple months? Oh wait... DCUO and Earthrise. You didn't really think this one through. :)

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  • sudosudo Member UncommonPosts: 697

    My server's population has grown lately. My guild have recruited lots of new members, the AH is more alive, there are more people doing dungeons around.

    Rift is doing just fine. My only worry for it is we might get queues on weekends if we keep going like this :)

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    Only in a quiet mind is adequate perception of the world."
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  • midmagicmidmagic Member Posts: 614

    Checked Amazon pricing.

    $35 standard game box/download.

    $65 box collectors game box.

    $45 collectors game download version.

    $23-$24 dollar 60 day gamecards.

    Prices have dropped quite a bit. However, sales on Amazon are still strong. 7th and 8th place for pc game sales. Rift has been in the top 10 with more than 1 edition of the game for a quite a long time.

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  • Ender4Ender4 Member UncommonPosts: 2,247


    Originally posted by sudo
    My server's population has grown lately. My guild have recruited lots of new members, the AH is more alive, there are more people doing dungeons around.
    Rift is doing just fine. My only worry for it is we might get queues on weekends if we keep going like this :)

    Prime time on a week night and 5 servers are on high, I really don't think Rift is growing in population. When I checked just a tiny bit before prime time which was right after EU prime time we had 1 high US server and all of the EU were medium already. Even after the free time it isn't really growing.

  • boognish75boognish75 Member UncommonPosts: 1,540

    i just subbed, and love the game, sorry for not posting so much lately but i am too busy playing rift that leaves me little time to bitch about mmo's

    playing eq2 and two worlds

  • Cik_AsalinCik_Asalin Member Posts: 3,033

    Originally posted by midmagic

    Checked Amazon pricing.

    $23-$24 dollar 60 day gamecards.

    This is a good deal.  Essentially the same price as a pre-order's 3-month Founders Club Rate, but for 60-days.

     

  • ErstokErstok Member Posts: 523

    Does no one pay attention in school anymore? Basic economics, supply and demand.

    image
    When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?

  • EbonHawkEbonHawk Member Posts: 545

    Originally posted by Erstok

    Does no one pay attention in school anymore? Basic economics, supply and demand.

    Right?!

    Good call...

    Also people try, please try to realise,  Rift a.k.a Trion sells their product to wholesalers (Bestbuy, Amazon.com, Gamestop) at a flat rate usually much lower from what the end-user (you!) pays.  So when you see a mark down in pricing it's the wholesalers that make that call.  And this type of price reduction is a norm in all industries.

    Oh, and in case you can't fathom what it is I'm saying... Check this little tid bit out.

    http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?169947-Press-Release-Trion-Worlds-and-CJ-E-amp-M-Games-to-bring-RIFT-to-Korea

    Nuff said

  • Cik_AsalinCik_Asalin Member Posts: 3,033

    Originally posted by EbonHawk

    Originally posted by Erstok

    Does no one pay attention in school anymore? Basic economics, supply and demand.

    Right?!

    Good call...

    Also people try, please try to realise,  Rift a.k.a Trion sells their product to wholesalers (Bestbuy, Amazon.com, Gamestop) at a flat rate usually much lower from what the end-user (you!) pays.  So when you see a mark down in pricing it's the wholesalers that make that call.  And this type of price reduction is a norm in all industries.

    Right.  When demand is low, prices usually fluctuate down to be more enticing to move said product.

  • superdfcsuperdfc Member Posts: 56

    Originally posted by daemon

    People are saving for Tera, GW2 and ToR of course..

    Lol

    But sadly, I think this is true. People need innovation and change or the MMORPG genre will die out. 

  • Crusix221Crusix221 Member UncommonPosts: 100

    I wait in a 1-2 hr que every weekend is this really a topic of debate?

  • OberholzerOberholzer Member Posts: 498

    Amazon has had the game for 35 even before the first free weekend they ran, so getting the game cheaper is not new.

  • EbonHawkEbonHawk Member Posts: 545

    Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

    Originally posted by EbonHawk


    Originally posted by Erstok

    Does no one pay attention in school anymore? Basic economics, supply and demand.

    Right?!

    Good call...

    Also people try, please try to realise,  Rift a.k.a Trion sells their product to wholesalers (Bestbuy, Amazon.com, Gamestop) at a flat rate usually much lower from what the end-user (you!) pays.  So when you see a mark down in pricing it's the wholesalers that make that call.  And this type of price reduction is a norm in all industries.

    Right.  When demand is low, prices usually fluctuate down to be more enticing to move said product.

    Okay?...

    Let's just see if we're on the same page here, strictly from a business stand point.

    If a wholesaler buys a product from a manufacturer in bulk at say $10.00 per unit and it's sold to the general public at first at say $30.00 per unit.  That gives said wholesaler a bus-load of room to "adjust suggested retail price" to whatever said wholesaler decides.

    Now the average end-user would see this as a "liquidation" type move (i.e. we have too much product and we must move it at all cost).  But trust me when I say in business when a product is offered at a reasonably lower price it doesn't mean there is a problem in sales.  It just means a wholesaler has plenty of room to move the product at a reduced rate and still make money.  It happens all the time.

    Bottom line is a reduction in price does not equate to a problem in selling a product.

  • ValentinaValentina Member RarePosts: 2,108

    Originally posted by Crusix221

    I wait in a 1-2 hr que every weekend is this really a topic of debate?

    .

  • InfalibleInfalible Member Posts: 204

    Originally posted by EbonHawk

    Originally posted by Cik_Asalin


    Originally posted by EbonHawk


    Originally posted by Erstok

    Does no one pay attention in school anymore? Basic economics, supply and demand.

    Right?!

    Good call...

    Also people try, please try to realise,  Rift a.k.a Trion sells their product to wholesalers (Bestbuy, Amazon.com, Gamestop) at a flat rate usually much lower from what the end-user (you!) pays.  So when you see a mark down in pricing it's the wholesalers that make that call.  And this type of price reduction is a norm in all industries.

    Right.  When demand is low, prices usually fluctuate down to be more enticing to move said product.

    Okay?...

    Let's just see if we're on the same page here, strictly from a business stand point.

    If a wholesaler buys a product from a manufacturer in bulk at say $10.00 per unit and it's sold to the general public at first at say $30.00 per unit.  That gives said wholesaler a bus-load of room to "adjust suggested retail price" to whatever said wholesaler decides.

    Now the average end-user would see this as a "liquidation" type move (i.e. we have too much product and we must move it at all cost).  But trust me when I say in business when a product is offered at a reasonably lower price it doesn't mean there is a problem in sales.  It just means a wholesaler has plenty of room to move the product at a reduced rate and still make money.  It happens all the time.

    Bottom line is a reduction in price does not equate to a problem in selling a product.

    This.

    As anyone who has worked in marketting will know, marking down a product for consumers is not JUST a tool to move items that have not been selling well, but also a tool to compound the sales of items that have been selling well anyway.

    http://www.themmoquest.com - MMO commentary from an overly angry brit. OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED!

  • DredphyreDredphyre Member Posts: 601

    Gawd, what is this obsession some people have with Rift numbers? It's kinda pathetic.

  • Cik_AsalinCik_Asalin Member Posts: 3,033

    Originally posted by Infalible

    Originally posted by EbonHawk


    Originally posted by Cik_Asalin


    Originally posted by EbonHawk


    Originally posted by Erstok

    Does no one pay attention in school anymore? Basic economics, supply and demand.

    Right?!

    Good call...

    Also people try, please try to realise,  Rift a.k.a Trion sells their product to wholesalers (Bestbuy, Amazon.com, Gamestop) at a flat rate usually much lower from what the end-user (you!) pays.  So when you see a mark down in pricing it's the wholesalers that make that call.  And this type of price reduction is a norm in all industries.

    Right.  When demand is low, prices usually fluctuate down to be more enticing to move said product.

    Okay?...

    Let's just see if we're on the same page here, strictly from a business stand point.

    If a wholesaler buys a product from a manufacturer in bulk at say $10.00 per unit and it's sold to the general public at first at say $30.00 per unit.  That gives said wholesaler a bus-load of room to "adjust suggested retail price" to whatever said wholesaler decides.

    Now the average end-user would see this as a "liquidation" type move (i.e. we have too much product and we must move it at all cost).  But trust me when I say in business when a product is offered at a reasonably lower price it doesn't mean there is a problem in sales.  It just means a wholesaler has plenty of room to move the product at a reduced rate and still make money.  It happens all the time.

    Bottom line is a reduction in price does not equate to a problem in selling a product.

    This.

    As anyone who has worked in marketting will know, marking down a product for consumers is not JUST a tool to move items that have not been selling well, but also a tool to compound the sales of items that have been selling well anyway.

    I get it.  Rift is a good game.  I enjoyed 2-months of it.  Selling boxes and subscriptions at 2-months post-launch when there is a noticable online participation decline, not drastic, but slightly noticable, can see execution of lower pricing to entice folks to buy who were on the fence or entice one that might not otherwise have payed $15/month to come back for another month or 2.

     

    No biggie.

  • InfalibleInfalible Member Posts: 204

    Furthermore, I can't see where all of this Rift hate is coming from.

    Firstly, to the haters saying that it is "just another MMO"... Yes... it is. And Trion never claimed otherwise. IN FACT the main selling point of the title was that it was a traditional MMO through and through, as opposed to a nextgen "how do we make MMOs not MMOs" game that everyone else and their mothers are making right now. And at the core of it is that Rift succeeds in being a thoroughly entertaining traditional MMO where so many others have failed. And it's doing that in 2011.

    Secondly, to the haters saying that the soul system offers no real options... You're right, to a degree, and wrong at the same time. The soul system in Rift comes with some things that you have to accept: firstly you have to accept that Trion need to balance out the game, which means that you have to accept that your choices will be limited. It's not an all-you-can-eat buffet, but a series of set menus. The fundamentally important thing is that you have those choices in the first place. World of Warcraft offers one-two specs per tree for most classes, depending on what you want to do (and for tanks, it's generally one spec or you may as well not play). In Rift, you can chose from one, two or maybe three different soul combos depending on what you want to do (the combos are role specific; if you though they wouldn't be you're an idiot), but within those choices there are a few specs for you to toy around with. For example, on my mage I have a choice of three different "solo" soul builds, and within those solo builds at least one of the trees is variable. So yeah, you are limited to certain choices but you have WAAAAY more choices than you're likely to find in any other traditional MMO. Rift is - imho - unrivalled in this regard.

    I'm not saying it's the perfect title, but in my mind Rift is more than deserving of the praise it has been getting from all corners of the gaming world. It's not a game designed to raise eyebrows outside of the established order. It's not trying to redefine the genre. It's a game that's throroughly rooted in tradition, and revels in the nuances of old. It's a game that is proud to wear the cliches of the genre on its sleeve.

    If you're expecting something more than that then you will be direly disappointed. Hating on the game, however, is pointless because Trion have made everyone quite aware of what they're selling with Rift and if you go in expecting anything other than that then it's your fault you are disappointed.

    http://www.themmoquest.com - MMO commentary from an overly angry brit. OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED!

  • EbonHawkEbonHawk Member Posts: 545

    Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

    Originally posted by Infalible


    Originally posted by EbonHawk


    Originally posted by Cik_Asalin


    Originally posted by EbonHawk


    Originally posted by Erstok

    Does no one pay attention in school anymore? Basic economics, supply and demand.

    Right?!

    Good call...

    Also people try, please try to realise,  Rift a.k.a Trion sells their product to wholesalers (Bestbuy, Amazon.com, Gamestop) at a flat rate usually much lower from what the end-user (you!) pays.  So when you see a mark down in pricing it's the wholesalers that make that call.  And this type of price reduction is a norm in all industries.

    Right.  When demand is low, prices usually fluctuate down to be more enticing to move said product.

    Okay?...

    Let's just see if we're on the same page here, strictly from a business stand point.

    If a wholesaler buys a product from a manufacturer in bulk at say $10.00 per unit and it's sold to the general public at first at say $30.00 per unit.  That gives said wholesaler a bus-load of room to "adjust suggested retail price" to whatever said wholesaler decides.

    Now the average end-user would see this as a "liquidation" type move (i.e. we have too much product and we must move it at all cost).  But trust me when I say in business when a product is offered at a reasonably lower price it doesn't mean there is a problem in sales.  It just means a wholesaler has plenty of room to move the product at a reduced rate and still make money.  It happens all the time.

    Bottom line is a reduction in price does not equate to a problem in selling a product.

    This.

    As anyone who has worked in marketting will know, marking down a product for consumers is not JUST a tool to move items that have not been selling well, but also a tool to compound the sales of items that have been selling well anyway.

    I get it.  Rift is a good game.  I enjoyed 2-months of it.  Selling boxes and subscriptions at 2-months post-launch when there is a noticable online participation decline, not drastic, but slightly noticable, can see execution of lower pricing to entice folks to buy who were on the fence or entice one that might not otherwise have payed $15/month to come back for another month or 2.

     

    No biggie.

    hehe...

    Okay Cik,  then you and I shall agree to disagree...

  • Cik_AsalinCik_Asalin Member Posts: 3,033

    Originally posted by EbonHawk

    Originally posted by Cik_Asalin


    Originally posted by Infalible


    Originally posted by EbonHawk


    Originally posted by Cik_Asalin


    Originally posted by EbonHawk


    Originally posted by Erstok

    Does no one pay attention in school anymore? Basic economics, supply and demand.

    Right?!

    Good call...

    Also people try, please try to realise,  Rift a.k.a Trion sells their product to wholesalers (Bestbuy, Amazon.com, Gamestop) at a flat rate usually much lower from what the end-user (you!) pays.  So when you see a mark down in pricing it's the wholesalers that make that call.  And this type of price reduction is a norm in all industries.

    Right.  When demand is low, prices usually fluctuate down to be more enticing to move said product.

    Okay?...

    Let's just see if we're on the same page here, strictly from a business stand point.

    If a wholesaler buys a product from a manufacturer in bulk at say $10.00 per unit and it's sold to the general public at first at say $30.00 per unit.  That gives said wholesaler a bus-load of room to "adjust suggested retail price" to whatever said wholesaler decides.

    Now the average end-user would see this as a "liquidation" type move (i.e. we have too much product and we must move it at all cost).  But trust me when I say in business when a product is offered at a reasonably lower price it doesn't mean there is a problem in sales.  It just means a wholesaler has plenty of room to move the product at a reduced rate and still make money.  It happens all the time.

    Bottom line is a reduction in price does not equate to a problem in selling a product.

    This.

    As anyone who has worked in marketting will know, marking down a product for consumers is not JUST a tool to move items that have not been selling well, but also a tool to compound the sales of items that have been selling well anyway.

    I get it.  Rift is a good game.  I enjoyed 2-months of it.  Selling boxes and subscriptions at 2-months post-launch when there is a noticable online participation decline, not drastic, but slightly noticable, can see execution of lower pricing to entice folks to buy who were on the fence or entice one that might not otherwise have payed $15/month to come back for another month or 2.

     

    No biggie.

    hehe...

    Okay Cik,  then you and I shall agree to disagree...

    heh...im just bored. I dont care either way.  Though the game would have gone from good to great if they had the RvR that the devs said they would implement if the player-base showed interest;  a combine 4000 posts later of mostly support and nothing happened.

  • EbonHawkEbonHawk Member Posts: 545

    Originally posted by Infalible

    Furthermore, I can't see where all of this Rift hate is coming from.

    Firstly, to the haters saying that it is "just another MMO"... Yes... it is. And Trion never claimed otherwise. IN FACT the main selling point of the title was that it was a traditional MMO through and through, as opposed to a nextgen "how do we make MMOs not MMOs" game that everyone else and their mothers are making right now. And at the core of it is that Rift succeeds in being a thoroughly entertaining traditional MMO where so many others have failed. And it's doing that in 2011.

    Secondly, to the haters saying that the soul system offers no real options... You're right, to a degree, and wrong at the same time. The soul system in Rift comes with some things that you have to accept: firstly you have to accept that Trion need to balance out the game, which means that you have to accept that your choices will be limited. It's not an all-you-can-eat buffet, but a series of set menus. The fundamentally important thing is that you have those choices in the first place. World of Warcraft offers one-two specs per tree for most classes, depending on what you want to do (and for tanks, it's generally one spec or you may as well not play). In Rift, you can chose from one, two or maybe three different soul combos depending on what you want to do (the combos are role specific; if you though they wouldn't be you're an idiot), but within those choices there are a few specs for you to toy around with. For example, on my mage I have a choice of three different "solo" soul builds, and within those solo builds at least one of the trees is variable. So yeah, you are limited to certain choices but you have WAAAAY more choices than you're likely to find in any other traditional MMO. Rift is - imho - unrivalled in this regard.

    I'm not saying it's the perfect title, but in my mind Rift is more than deserving of the praise it has been getting from all corners of the gaming world. It's not a game designed to raise eyebrows outside of the established order. It's not trying to redefine the genre. It's a game that's throroughly rooted in tradition, and revels in the nuances of old. It's a game that is proud to wear the cliches of the genre on its sleeve.

    If you're expecting something more than that then you will be direly disappointed. Hating on the game, however, is pointless because Trion have made everyone quite aware of what they're selling with Rift and if you go in expecting anything other than that then it's your fault you are disappointed.

    This^

    Infalible, I think you and I are on the same page. 

    Rift is not a perfect game or a "next gen" game nor did Trion try to suggest otherwise.  As of this moment I enjoy Rift, tomorrow?  Who knows?

    Rift has problems, but for a goofy reason I'm enjyoing to go through the game.  Is it the be-all to end-all of MMO's, nope.  Is it fun for me and many others yep.  I just hope a game will come along that the vast majority of us can enjoy.

    ...But remember as the saying goes,  "you can please some of the people some of the time, but ya can't please all of the people all of the time"

  • SnarkRitterSnarkRitter Member Posts: 316

    Actually, I've been watching RIFT's sale amazon since the start and RIFT have never fallen out of the top 5 best selling in the games download section, so I wouldn't say the demand is low. This is actually a pretty smart move by Trion to combat the exodus at the end of the first month.

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