In my country Rift is allover Ebay for about 30$, with 60 days GC slightly below 30$.
At release it was WAY too expensive in many EU -countries and like 15$ above every other mmorpg released in the last years. But recently the price dropped by ~ 50% over here (unless you go to buy it in the big warehouses' software corners where it is still at 65$+)
Now with 30$ i'm even tempted to get it myself, but i don't want to play alone and can't get any of my friends to play it with me. Server population seems to be another major issue on EU servers and the upcoming summer will make it even worse.
Wasn't there an offer by a digital distributer for this price before, during and after the game launched? I remember a lot of people posting here so they would get referenced and get some sort of discount.
Furthermore, I can't see where all of this Rift hate is coming from.
Firstly, to the haters saying that it is "just another MMO"... Yes... it is. And Trion never claimed otherwise. IN FACT the main selling point of the title was that it was a traditional MMO through and through, as opposed to a nextgen "how do we make MMOs not MMOs" game that everyone else and their mothers are making right now. And at the core of it is that Rift succeeds in being a thoroughly entertaining traditional MMO where so many others have failed. And it's doing that in 2011.
Secondly, to the haters saying that the soul system offers no real options... You're right, to a degree, and wrong at the same time. The soul system in Rift comes with some things that you have to accept: firstly you have to accept that Trion need to balance out the game, which means that you have to accept that your choices will be limited. It's not an all-you-can-eat buffet, but a series of set menus. The fundamentally important thing is that you have those choices in the first place. World of Warcraft offers one-two specs per tree for most classes, depending on what you want to do (and for tanks, it's generally one spec or you may as well not play). In Rift, you can chose from one, two or maybe three different soul combos depending on what you want to do (the combos are role specific; if you though they wouldn't be you're an idiot), but within those choices there are a few specs for you to toy around with. For example, on my mage I have a choice of three different "solo" soul builds, and within those solo builds at least one of the trees is variable. So yeah, you are limited to certain choices but you have WAAAAY more choices than you're likely to find in any other traditional MMO. Rift is - imho - unrivalled in this regard.
I'm not saying it's the perfect title, but in my mind Rift is more than deserving of the praise it has been getting from all corners of the gaming world. It's not a game designed to raise eyebrows outside of the established order. It's not trying to redefine the genre. It's a game that's throroughly rooted in tradition, and revels in the nuances of old. It's a game that is proud to wear the cliches of the genre on its sleeve.
If you're expecting something more than that then you will be direly disappointed. Hating on the game, however, is pointless because Trion have made everyone quite aware of what they're selling with Rift and if you go in expecting anything other than that then it's your fault you are disappointed.
I completely agree with you. I'll even add that Trion worlds said the game was supposed to take 'the best' out of existing MMO's if you ask me they did a very good job and not only at taking the best out of the existing MMO's, thats something everyone can do, but also at making all those things coherent and fitting in the game as a whole.
The people who still troll on this game are most likely WoW fanboys who can't accept the fact that WoW is, finally if you ask me, slowly dieing and some games, like Rift, are taking over it's rule.
I will now pull out a little bit of concrete information that has been said about Rift sales. Now this is the only information that I know that's not subjective.
"The agreement comes hot on the heels of NPD’s March Report which lists Rift as the month’s top-selling PC game at retail in North America. While digital sales have significantly outpaced retail sales, the report details a strong retail performance for Trion’s first premium online title. "
heh...im just bored. I dont care either way. Though the game would have gone from good to great if they had the RvR that the devs said they would implement if the player-base showed interest; a combine 4000 posts later of mostly support and nothing happened.
I'm thinking they are listening and are working on something. It is just taking them awhile.
I absolutely believe that Rift was intended to have a primary focus on PvE and secondary focus on PvP.
I believe their priorities have now changed significantly due to the demand you mentioned.
I would expect a lot more PvP stuff within 6 months. Also expect a significant discount and free trials for PvPers whom have left to come back and try the new content for free.
A developer really does need to make a three faction RvR game like DAoC. The demand for it is undeniable even by hardcore PvEers. The community really wants a new game like that.
Infalible, I think you and I are on the same page.
Rift is not a perfect game or a "next gen" game nor did Trion try to suggest otherwise. As of this moment I enjoy Rift, tomorrow? Who knows?
Rift has problems, but for a goofy reason I'm enjyoing to go through the game. Is it the be-all to end-all of MMO's, nope. Is it fun for me and many others yep. I just hope a game will come along that the vast majority of us can enjoy.
...But remember as the saying goes, "you can please some of the people some of the time, but ya can't please all of the people all of the time"
This is from an interview with Trion CEO Lars Buttler: "We believe living worlds, powered by dynamically refreshed content represent the next generation, and Rift will be there on release."
It looks like they actually were suggesting that Rift would be "next gen".
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
My brother paid 35 for standard, ( allthough by some fluke he got all the CE gear ).
This was in early entry, I got mine from steam he got it from some other direct download site, not sure which.
39 seems like an increase in price!
To be honest raising the price at this point seems stupid as well.
I am pretty sure that these price fluctuations is more due to single distributers more then anything.
Furthermore, as an european, or Swede as the case is, ( who are not part of the EURO ), 39 dollars is dirt cheap, and so was 50.
If I have the choice I always pay in dollars, because in dollars I am rich, in swedish crowns I am just middle class..
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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Furthermore, I can't see where all of this Rift hate is coming from.
Firstly, to the haters saying that it is "just another MMO"... Yes... it is. And Trion never claimed otherwise. IN FACT the main selling point of the title was that it was a traditional MMO through and through, as opposed to a nextgen "how do we make MMOs not MMOs" game that everyone else and their mothers are making right now. And at the core of it is that Rift succeeds in being a thoroughly entertaining traditional MMO where so many others have failed. And it's doing that in 2011.
Secondly, to the haters saying that the soul system offers no real options... You're right, to a degree, and wrong at the same time. The soul system in Rift comes with some things that you have to accept: firstly you have to accept that Trion need to balance out the game, which means that you have to accept that your choices will be limited. It's not an all-you-can-eat buffet, but a series of set menus. The fundamentally important thing is that you have those choices in the first place. World of Warcraft offers one-two specs per tree for most classes, depending on what you want to do (and for tanks, it's generally one spec or you may as well not play). In Rift, you can chose from one, two or maybe three different soul combos depending on what you want to do (the combos are role specific; if you though they wouldn't be you're an idiot), but within those choices there are a few specs for you to toy around with. For example, on my mage I have a choice of three different "solo" soul builds, and within those solo builds at least one of the trees is variable. So yeah, you are limited to certain choices but you have WAAAAY more choices than you're likely to find in any other traditional MMO. Rift is - imho - unrivalled in this regard.
I'm not saying it's the perfect title, but in my mind Rift is more than deserving of the praise it has been getting from all corners of the gaming world. It's not a game designed to raise eyebrows outside of the established order. It's not trying to redefine the genre. It's a game that's throroughly rooted in tradition, and revels in the nuances of old. It's a game that is proud to wear the cliches of the genre on its sleeve.
If you're expecting something more than that then you will be direly disappointed. Hating on the game, however, is pointless because Trion have made everyone quite aware of what they're selling with Rift and if you go in expecting anything other than that then it's your fault you are disappointed.
This^
Infalible, I think you and I are on the same page.
Rift is not a perfect game or a "next gen" game nor did Trion try to suggest otherwise. As of this moment I enjoy Rift, tomorrow? Who knows?
Rift has problems, but for a goofy reason I'm enjyoing to go through the game. Is it the be-all to end-all of MMO's, nope. Is it fun for me and many others yep. I just hope a game will come along that the vast majority of us can enjoy.
...But remember as the saying goes, "you can please some of the people some of the time, but ya can't please all of the people all of the time"
I love all the Trion never said this and never said that posts have a look at this trailer and get back to me on that.
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I think the next-gen comment relates to their server technology and the toolset available to them. Doesn't mean the statement they made isn't misleading. They have a strong foundation, now they need to execute what they say is capable of their system. Last weekends World Event was not impressive and they need to do better, as they've admitted themselves.
Only time will tell if they can actually execute what they've been saying they can do.
Does no one pay attention in school anymore? Basic economics, supply and demand.
Right?!
Good call...
Also people try, please try to realise, Rift a.k.a Trion sells their product to wholesalers (Bestbuy, Amazon.com, Gamestop) at a flat rate usually much lower from what the end-user (you!) pays. So when you see a mark down in pricing it's the wholesalers that make that call. And this type of price reduction is a norm in all industries.
Right. When demand is low, prices usually fluctuate down to be more enticing to move said product.
Okay?...
Let's just see if we're on the same page here, strictly from a business stand point.
If a wholesaler buys a product from a manufacturer in bulk at say $10.00 per unit and it's sold to the general public at first at say $30.00 per unit. That gives said wholesaler a bus-load of room to "adjust suggested retail price" to whatever said wholesaler decides.
Now the average end-user would see this as a "liquidation" type move (i.e. we have too much product and we must move it at all cost). But trust me when I say in business when a product is offered at a reasonably lower price it doesn't mean there is a problem in sales. It just means a wholesaler has plenty of room to move the product at a reduced rate and still make money. It happens all the time.
Bottom line is a reduction in price does not equate to a problem in selling a product.
This.
As anyone who has worked in marketting will know, marking down a product for consumers is not JUST a tool to move items that have not been selling well, but also a tool to compound the sales of items that have been selling well anyway.
An example of that last point is Steam, which had a 200% increase in revenue last year as a result of lowering price on hot selling items to move more units.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I think the next-gen comment relates to their server technology and the toolset available to them. Doesn't mean the statement they made isn't misleading.
Agreed, and their server tech is pretty advanced. Here's a few articles on it:
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I think the next-gen comment relates to their server technology and the toolset available to them. Doesn't mean the statement they made isn't misleading. They have a strong foundation, now they need to execute what they say is capable of their system. Last weekends World Event was not impressive and they need to do better, as they've admitted themselves.
Only time will tell if they can actually execute what they've been saying they can do.
Though the problem is that and I quote from the video I linked "Next Gen means that the game will advance the genre the DAY IT RELEASES" now ask yourself has that happened? The tech might be incredible but they haven't shown how incredible it can be so it hasn't advanced the genre at all, meaning the Next Gen tag is false.
My main point though was that many of the defenders of Trion act as if they were stating from the get go that they were going to release a generic uninventive pastiche of every other themepark MMO that had come before, but they were not saying that at all and that pre-release video is confirmation of that fact.
Cal.
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In my country Rift is allover Ebay for about 30$, with 60 days GC slightly below 30$.
At release it was WAY too expensive in many EU -countries and like 15$ above every other mmorpg released in the last years. But recently the price dropped by ~ 50% over here (unless you go to buy it in the big warehouses' software corners where it is still at 65$+)
Now with 30$ i'm even tempted to get it myself, but i don't want to play alone and can't get any of my friends to play it with me. Server population seems to be another major issue on EU servers and the upcoming summer will make it even worse.
Wasn't there an offer by a digital distributer for this price before, during and after the game launched? I remember a lot of people posting here so they would get referenced and get some sort of discount.
I completely agree with you. I'll even add that Trion worlds said the game was supposed to take 'the best' out of existing MMO's if you ask me they did a very good job and not only at taking the best out of the existing MMO's, thats something everyone can do, but also at making all those things coherent and fitting in the game as a whole.
The people who still troll on this game are most likely WoW fanboys who can't accept the fact that WoW is, finally if you ask me, slowly dieing and some games, like Rift, are taking over it's rule.
I will just post the link that Ebonhawk put up again.
http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?169947-Press-Release-Trion-Worlds-and-CJ-E-amp-M-Games-to-bring-RIFT-to-Korea
I will now pull out a little bit of concrete information that has been said about Rift sales. Now this is the only information that I know that's not subjective.
"The agreement comes hot on the heels of NPD’s March Report which lists Rift as the month’s top-selling PC game at retail in North America. While digital sales have significantly outpaced retail sales, the report details a strong retail performance for Trion’s first premium online title. "
Take that information for whatever it's worth.
I'm thinking they are listening and are working on something. It is just taking them awhile.
I absolutely believe that Rift was intended to have a primary focus on PvE and secondary focus on PvP.
I believe their priorities have now changed significantly due to the demand you mentioned.
I would expect a lot more PvP stuff within 6 months. Also expect a significant discount and free trials for PvPers whom have left to come back and try the new content for free.
A developer really does need to make a three faction RvR game like DAoC. The demand for it is undeniable even by hardcore PvEers. The community really wants a new game like that.
This is from an interview with Trion CEO Lars Buttler: "We believe living worlds, powered by dynamically refreshed content represent the next generation, and Rift will be there on release."
It looks like they actually were suggesting that Rift would be "next gen".
Link.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I paid 50 something for CE.
My brother paid 35 for standard, ( allthough by some fluke he got all the CE gear ).
This was in early entry, I got mine from steam he got it from some other direct download site, not sure which.
39 seems like an increase in price!
To be honest raising the price at this point seems stupid as well.
I am pretty sure that these price fluctuations is more due to single distributers more then anything.
Furthermore, as an european, or Swede as the case is, ( who are not part of the EURO ), 39 dollars is dirt cheap, and so was 50.
If I have the choice I always pay in dollars, because in dollars I am rich, in swedish crowns I am just middle class..
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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I love all the Trion never said this and never said that posts have a look at this trailer and get back to me on that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldI3ypm1gHg
Cal.
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I think the next-gen comment relates to their server technology and the toolset available to them. Doesn't mean the statement they made isn't misleading. They have a strong foundation, now they need to execute what they say is capable of their system. Last weekends World Event was not impressive and they need to do better, as they've admitted themselves.
Only time will tell if they can actually execute what they've been saying they can do.
An example of that last point is Steam, which had a 200% increase in revenue last year as a result of lowering price on hot selling items to move more units.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Agreed, and their server tech is pretty advanced. Here's a few articles on it:
http://www.develop-online.net/news/35960/Trion-has-built-a-server-equivalent-to-Sonys-Cell
http://h20435.www2.hp.com/t5/The-Next-Bench-Blog/Trion-Rift-Opens-on-HP-Servers/ba-p/61333
http://www.gamingbusinessreview.com/trionrift.htm
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Though the problem is that and I quote from the video I linked "Next Gen means that the game will advance the genre the DAY IT RELEASES" now ask yourself has that happened? The tech might be incredible but they haven't shown how incredible it can be so it hasn't advanced the genre at all, meaning the Next Gen tag is false.
My main point though was that many of the defenders of Trion act as if they were stating from the get go that they were going to release a generic uninventive pastiche of every other themepark MMO that had come before, but they were not saying that at all and that pre-release video is confirmation of that fact.
Cal.
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