My opinion: WoW PvE is the best. Combat/spells/abilities mechanics are responsive and plays smooth. Games that launches with unresponsive or annoying combat/abilities mechanics are doomed. WoW Dungeons are the best I have seen in an MMO. The dungeons I experienced from other games really didn't deliver as much as WoW's dungeons. The game runs smooth. even in low-end machines. I don't play it anymore, I admit WoW's features and mechanics are the best. For a new player that never played WoW, this game is a must play.
If graphics are an issue, some people may like more realistic graphics, I suggest to play Age of Conan. That's my second pick. Other than that, the rest of MMOs fall short. Only reason I am playing Rift is because after playing WoW for a long time, I wanted to experience the Rifts and open world PvE. Other than that, Rift doesn't deliver as much as WoW. I disagree witht he OP, WoW will die one day, it dies the day you don't play it.
Also communities is not an issue in WoW. Join a friendly guild, problem solved. Those that only talk about how bad community in WoW is really must be players that play solo all the time and fail to socialize.
Edit: have more typos but I need coffee so whatever.
#2. You know why RIFT ultimately failed? They were trying to take a piece of the pie. I've been trying to find an MMO to replace WoW for a while now and RIFT almost took it....and then I realized, why not just go play WOW? RIFT is the biggest World of Warcraft clone I have seen in my life, it even goes down to some of the skills! World of Warcraft has been out for 6 years now, unless a game has been in development for 10 years and has millions of gamers to give them feedback, WoW ain't going down.
Why? cos its a fantasy game? does WoW own all rights to the unversal terminologies & so forth?
#3. World of Warcraft has the absolute best community in any MMORPG I have played. Why? I communicate with only people I know in real life. I HATE communication with randoms because in every game there are ass holes. I started gaming with Counter-Strike 1.1, it doesn't get more ass-holey than that. Aion was full of assholes too, and RIFT's community was the final hammer (especially the forum community) for the reason why my guild and I left.
LOL SERIOUSL JUST LOL... has to be the worst community full of the most self centred,arrogant childish little gear snobs in ANY MMO
Star Wars is a WoW clone, I have seen the gameplay, it is 123812731234 spam just like WoW. I'm going to play it, because I'm like that, and I am damn sure I will leave for WoW within a month to half a year.
SWToR is a WoW clone? a sci-fi game is a clone of a fantasy game!? ...you mean they are both themeparks?
1234 spam just like WoW ...So why are you priasing WoW then?
I know what would kill World of Warcraft in East, and what would make me quit World of Warcraft, make a WoW clone with Lineage 2 style graphics. And no, Aion was not it, Aion was crap. Make it accessible, easy, and above all, A GAME. Not a second life. And if you shove this with half naked prostitute looking elves, I am 100% sure WoW will get killed in the East and I'd leave WoW for it.
You have just cried that Rift is a WoW clone but yet your saying a WoW clone is the answer!?
Yeh that will rake in the masses *CLICK* turns off sarcasm mode
It started bad with the ill choosen title & got worse, such contradictory crap, with little thought m8
The Deathstar destroyed planets...Lucas Arts destroyed Galaxies
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if I would get the same budget Blizzard had for WoW and try to replicate what Blizzard did I would fail, I mean.. all the mmo components would be there but I won't be able to recreate what WoW makes players feel.
World of Warcraft is a proof that MMORPG quality should affect schedule/budget and not the other way around.
if I would get the same budget Blizzard had for WoW and try to replicate what Blizzard did I would fail, I mean.. all the mmo components would be there but I won't be able to recreate what WoW makes players feel.
exactly, they have a niche & their community love the product, its upto other companies to come up with
something new & fresh to make their game unique, so that the player base keeps growing & the players
wont leave
The Deathstar destroyed planets...Lucas Arts destroyed Galaxies
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Played: SWG | EVE | WOW | VG | LOTRO | WAR | FML | STO | APB | AOC | MORTAL | WOT | BP | SW:TOR
if I would get the same budget Blizzard had for WoW and try to replicate what Blizzard did I would fail, I mean.. all the mmo components would be there but I won't be able to recreate what WoW makes players feel.
I'd have to agree.
I think the X factor can better be described as a fluke. I HIGHLY doubt we will ever see those kind of subscription numbers ever again. OR at least not for a very long time.
RIFT is the biggest World of Warcraft clone I have seen in my life
second this. Which to be fair it does knowingly- just offering a different kind of gameplay options than those who may have liked WoW but tired of it. I personally think that instead of cloning, something else could have been done. I mean ok lets take the racing genre as an example. Ok yes there's Mario Kart- some companies cloned that and had success with their game( Crash series?). But there also racers that strive to be different and actually get success because of that. And in the mmorpg genre there is a shortage of the latter of AA titles combining that element of difference.
RIFT was quite sparkly, in fact, so sparkly that I bought a bunch of copies and my guild went to play it. 5 days in we quit due to exams. Now it's break time, some of us have jobs, some of us have other stuff, but most importantly, we have lots of free time. Guess what game we all decided to go back to? World of Warcraft.
Why?
#1. The server I am on houses more than a dozen friends I know irl, going back I know I will always find someone to play with. Plus, with Blizzard's battle.net system, there's ALWAYS someone from my Facebook on. MANY players I know use Facebook, and prior to World of Warcraft MMORPG players consisted of paranoid individuals who made fun of others for having x amount of friends on myspace. Thank you World of Warcraft for making gaming accessible and not something to be ashamed of.
#2. You know why RIFT ultimately failed? They were trying to take a piece of the pie. I've been trying to find an MMO to replace WoW for a while now and RIFT almost took it....and then I realized, why not just go play WOW? RIFT is the biggest World of Warcraft clone I have seen in my life, it even goes down to some of the skills! World of Warcraft has been out for 6 years now, unless a game has been in development for 10 years and has millions of gamers to give them feedback, WoW ain't going down.
#3. World of Warcraft has the absolute best community in any MMORPG I have played. Why? I communicate with only people I know in real life. I HATE communication with randoms because in every game there are ass holes. I started gaming with Counter-Strike 1.1, it doesn't get more ass-holey than that. Aion was full of assholes too, and RIFT's community was the final hammer (especially the forum community) for the reason why my guild and I left.
You know what might hurt World of Warcraft?
TERA and Guild Wars 2. You know what won't touch World of Warcraft? Star Wars. Why?
Star Wars is a WoW clone, I have seen the gameplay, it is 123812731234 spam just like WoW. I'm going to play it, because I'm like that, and I am damn sure I will leave for WoW within a month to half a year.
TERA and GW2 on the other hand....I don't know much about GW2, but it's free! However, TERA's combat system is different <----This is what separates a game from another game, it's combat system. It's also what made every Final Fantasy different from one another. You can have 2387234 theme park MMOs, and if all of them had a different combat system, they are no longer clones.
And, to finish off this informative post while I wait for my dinner being cooked by my girl:
I know what would kill World of Warcraft in East, and what would make me quit World of Warcraft, make a WoW clone with Lineage 2 style graphics. And no, Aion was not it, Aion was crap. Make it accessible, easy, and above all, A GAME. Not a second life. And if you shove this with half naked prostitute looking elves, I am 100% sure WoW will get killed in the East and I'd leave WoW for it.
Not sure if it was a revolution, or if it will ever die, but I do know that Blizzard has the best marketing team on the planet. Nobody has ever known what their actual subscription numbers are, but they have a ton of people that bought into the "12 million strong" marketing campaign.
Even when I can see with my own eyes that the population has gone from all major cities fully populated, to only 1 city semi-populated, people still cling to that warcry.
Not sure if it was a revolution, or if it will ever die, but I do know that Blizzard has the best marketing team on the planet. Nobody has ever known what their actual subscription numbers are, but they have a ton of people that bought into the "12 million strong" marketing campaign.
Even when I can see with my own eyes that the population has gone from all major cities fully populated, to only 1 city semi-populated, people still cling to that warcry.
Expert marketing. Enough said.
i agree on that but I have been MMOing for a long time. Hell look at the date I joined MMORPG.com WOW is ok and will die just like other great MMO's. They problem is that a MMO stops attracting new players because older players are so muhc more advanance. EX. money, experiance, everything. I used to play UO alot in the later 90's and that is what slowed that game down, people get tried of games and move on.
I am absurdly sick of people labeling Rift as a copycat. Does wow own the exclusive rights to the mmorpg industry and all things related to a medieval fantasy mmo? NO. World of Warcraft took ideas from Everquest and games before it, dumbed it down and made it SIGNIFICANTLY easier and everyone flocked to it because few people seem to enjoy a challenge nowadays.
Rift took ideas from SEVERAL of the more known mmos in an attempt to make a better game. It is no surprise that a large bit of the influence in the game is from wow simply because it is a very popular game.
Everquest borrowed ideas from multi user dungeons (MUDs), old school dungeons and dragons, and several other games at the time to make a truly addictive experience.
All online games borrow ideas from each other, try to put their spin on it, and hope that the public likes their game more. This is a key marketing ploy in ANY serious industry company nowadays.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there has been no monk meditating in the himalayas for the past thirty years who is suddenlygoing to code a ground breaking, truly original mmo that no gaming company has even a trace of their games in. Let's get real people.
Wow absultely does -NOT- have the best community. I have played several MMOs such as Fallen Earth, Eve Online, Star Wars Galaxies, Everquest, Wow (obviously), Warhammer, Aion, Pirates of the Caribbean, Perpetuum, Ryzom, Rift, Darkfall, Mortal Online, Everquest II, and Wizard 101 (with my little boy). I would have to say that Fallen Earth and early Star Wars Galaxies were some of the best communities. As far as wow goes, it is well known to be the most populated, but quantity does not make quality and you OP should learn the difference.
And star wars is a wow clone? ITS NOT EVEN THE SAME GENRE nore has it come out yet. Wow wishes it was a star wars clone.
There was no revolution at wow's opening. Wow simply made mmos easier and has continued to go from easy, to easier, to idiot proof, to comatose approved.
Wow is still the biggest mmo and will be for a while. One day Wow will die and it will be a glorious day, however that day is nowhere in site. My personal opinion is that it will not be at the hands of some upstart company with an amazing game but rather at the hands of Blizzard themselves. They will do something completely game changing like Star wars galaxies, and then all that will be left population wise is gold farmers and bots.
#2. You know why RIFT ultimately failed?They were trying to take a piece of the pie. I've been trying to find an MMO to replace WoW for a while now and RIFT almost took it....and then I realized, why not just go play WOW? RIFT is the biggest World of Warcraft clone I have seen in my life, it even goes down to some of the skills! World of Warcraft has been out for 6 years now, unless a game has been in development for 10 years and has millions of gamers to give them feedback, WoW ain't going down.
What??
You know what might hurt World of Warcraft?
TERA and Guild Wars 2. You know what won't touch World of Warcraft? Star Wars. Why?
I think the X factor can better be described as a fluke. I HIGHLY doubt we will ever see those kind of subscription numbers ever again. OR at least not for a very long time.
I guess you didn't know Blizzard before WOW but...
...Blizzard's sure made a lot of "flukes" in a row.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
I think the X factor can better be described as a fluke. I HIGHLY doubt we will ever see those kind of subscription numbers ever again. OR at least not for a very long time.
I guess you didn't know Blizzard before WOW but...
...Blizzard's sure made a lot of "flukes" in a row.
None of their other games were MMO's, so can't really be compared to the genre. But for the sake of the discussion, you're right. Blizzard has always made quality products. But even still, none of their other games came close to the number of players WoW is pulling in (or even in copies sold). WoW was most likely a fluke. Now, if Blizzard can do it again (say with Titan) then perhaps it wasn't. But like I said, I doubt we'll ever see numbers that high again.
I'm sorry if I offended you in any way by saying Blizzard's WoW was a fluke. I didn't mean WoW itself, I mean the numbers it pulled in.
....But even still, none of their other games came close to the number of players WoW is pulling in....
Starcraft sold roughly 10 million copies worldwide and is the only game in history to be made a national sport (korea). Starcraft II hasn't been doing too shaby either...
....But even still, none of their other games came close to the number of players WoW is pulling in....
Starcraft sold roughly 10 million copies worldwide and is the only game in history to be made a national sport (korea). Starcraft II hasn't been doing too shaby either...
Diablo 1+2 were even closer to wow than starcraft. :P
(Greenwald) also noted that there are currently 11 million users still actively playing the original Starcraft and Diablo II through Blizzard's online platform, Battle.net.
People should say "failed FOR ME", when it comes to threads about a game where there's still plenty of people playing.
They had VERY big numbers at launch... moreso than LotRO(A game I love) and SWG(a game I lovED), and most definitely DCUO(no comment), all of which were huge intellectual properties. THAT MEANS SOMETHING.
...and the nigh-inevitable bleed-off of subs, which has occured in pretty much every P2P game but 2, has been very mild.
I, too, was not impressed or amused with all the WoW-killer language being spouted by folks, here, nor the whole "you're not in Azeroth, anymore" nonsense in their ads, and I said so when it happened. But to call this game a failure is laughable, at best.
I was going to write something neat in response to the OP when i realised this. Trolls dont deserve to get fed...
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
Currently Playing EVE, ESO
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
Yeah I want to see Blizzard come out with a fps that rivals the counterstrike mod or COD. They have been pretty solid at rts, rpg, and mmorpg. Time for them to try out fps. With CCP (Eve online) attempting to come out with a fps, maybe blizzard might try?
Yeah I want to see Blizzard come out with a fps that rivals the counterstrike mod or COD. They have been pretty solid at rts, rpg, and mmorpg. Time for them to try out fps. With CCP (Eve online) attempting to come out with a fps, maybe blizzard might try?
Well you don't even play WoW anymore so how can you comment on the community? When was the last time you played? Before or after the lfg system? And you can socialize all you want and have friends for a long time and then all of a sudden none of them are on due to RL so even if you have socialized you may not always have your social buddies to run with as much as I hate to tell you. This is a fact in any game RL happens sometimes and no matter how much you have socialized all of a sudden no one you know is around for long periods of time..... Therefore you have no choice but to turn to the lfg system during this time and trust me WoW community is not a nice place to have to go when your friends are dealing with RL. They can even be so bad that they are mentally abusive with words and this is a fact not an opinion. GM's have all kinds of tickets and complaints about it.
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My opinion: WoW PvE is the best. Combat/spells/abilities mechanics are responsive and plays smooth. Games that launches with unresponsive or annoying combat/abilities mechanics are doomed. WoW Dungeons are the best I have seen in an MMO. The dungeons I experienced from other games really didn't deliver as much as WoW's dungeons. The game runs smooth. even in low-end machines. I don't play it anymore, I admit WoW's features and mechanics are the best. For a new player that never played WoW, this game is a must play.
If graphics are an issue, some people may like more realistic graphics, I suggest to play Age of Conan. That's my second pick. Other than that, the rest of MMOs fall short. Only reason I am playing Rift is because after playing WoW for a long time, I wanted to experience the Rifts and open world PvE. Other than that, Rift doesn't deliver as much as WoW. I disagree witht he OP, WoW will die one day, it dies the day you don't play it.
Also communities is not an issue in WoW. Join a friendly guild, problem solved. Those that only talk about how bad community in WoW is really must be players that play solo all the time and fail to socialize.
Edit: have more typos but I need coffee so whatever.
It started bad with the ill choosen title & got worse, such contradictory crap, with little thought m8
The Deathstar destroyed planets...Lucas Arts destroyed Galaxies
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Played:
SWG | EVE | WOW | VG | LOTRO | WAR | FML | STO | APB | AOC | MORTAL | WOT | BP | SW:TOR
World of Warcraft has what I'd like to call:
The X component
if I would get the same budget Blizzard had for WoW and try to replicate what Blizzard did I would fail, I mean.. all the mmo components would be there but I won't be able to recreate what WoW makes players feel.
World of Warcraft is a proof that MMORPG quality should affect schedule/budget and not the other way around.
exactly, they have a niche & their community love the product, its upto other companies to come up with
something new & fresh to make their game unique, so that the player base keeps growing & the players
wont leave
The Deathstar destroyed planets...Lucas Arts destroyed Galaxies
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Played:
SWG | EVE | WOW | VG | LOTRO | WAR | FML | STO | APB | AOC | MORTAL | WOT | BP | SW:TOR
I'd have to agree.
I think the X factor can better be described as a fluke. I HIGHLY doubt we will ever see those kind of subscription numbers ever again. OR at least not for a very long time.
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don't you have a raid to go to?
Not sure if it was a revolution, or if it will ever die, but I do know that Blizzard has the best marketing team on the planet. Nobody has ever known what their actual subscription numbers are, but they have a ton of people that bought into the "12 million strong" marketing campaign.
Even when I can see with my own eyes that the population has gone from all major cities fully populated, to only 1 city semi-populated, people still cling to that warcry.
Expert marketing. Enough said.
i agree on that but I have been MMOing for a long time. Hell look at the date I joined MMORPG.com WOW is ok and will die just like other great MMO's. They problem is that a MMO stops attracting new players because older players are so muhc more advanance. EX. money, experiance, everything. I used to play UO alot in the later 90's and that is what slowed that game down, people get tried of games and move on.
EX- UO, EQ, SWG Player
Currrently trying out GW and WoW
Holla-At-Your-Boy
I am absurdly sick of people labeling Rift as a copycat. Does wow own the exclusive rights to the mmorpg industry and all things related to a medieval fantasy mmo? NO. World of Warcraft took ideas from Everquest and games before it, dumbed it down and made it SIGNIFICANTLY easier and everyone flocked to it because few people seem to enjoy a challenge nowadays.
Rift took ideas from SEVERAL of the more known mmos in an attempt to make a better game. It is no surprise that a large bit of the influence in the game is from wow simply because it is a very popular game.
Everquest borrowed ideas from multi user dungeons (MUDs), old school dungeons and dragons, and several other games at the time to make a truly addictive experience.
All online games borrow ideas from each other, try to put their spin on it, and hope that the public likes their game more. This is a key marketing ploy in ANY serious industry company nowadays.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there has been no monk meditating in the himalayas for the past thirty years who is suddenlygoing to code a ground breaking, truly original mmo that no gaming company has even a trace of their games in. Let's get real people.
Wow absultely does -NOT- have the best community. I have played several MMOs such as Fallen Earth, Eve Online, Star Wars Galaxies, Everquest, Wow (obviously), Warhammer, Aion, Pirates of the Caribbean, Perpetuum, Ryzom, Rift, Darkfall, Mortal Online, Everquest II, and Wizard 101 (with my little boy). I would have to say that Fallen Earth and early Star Wars Galaxies were some of the best communities. As far as wow goes, it is well known to be the most populated, but quantity does not make quality and you OP should learn the difference.
And star wars is a wow clone? ITS NOT EVEN THE SAME GENRE nore has it come out yet. Wow wishes it was a star wars clone.
There was no revolution at wow's opening. Wow simply made mmos easier and has continued to go from easy, to easier, to idiot proof, to comatose approved.
Wow is still the biggest mmo and will be for a while. One day Wow will die and it will be a glorious day, however that day is nowhere in site. My personal opinion is that it will not be at the hands of some upstart company with an amazing game but rather at the hands of Blizzard themselves. They will do something completely game changing like Star wars galaxies, and then all that will be left population wise is gold farmers and bots.
I guess you didn't know Blizzard before WOW but...
...Blizzard's sure made a lot of "flukes" in a row.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
None of their other games were MMO's, so can't really be compared to the genre. But for the sake of the discussion, you're right. Blizzard has always made quality products. But even still, none of their other games came close to the number of players WoW is pulling in (or even in copies sold). WoW was most likely a fluke. Now, if Blizzard can do it again (say with Titan) then perhaps it wasn't. But like I said, I doubt we'll ever see numbers that high again.
I'm sorry if I offended you in any way by saying Blizzard's WoW was a fluke. I didn't mean WoW itself, I mean the numbers it pulled in.
0118 999 881 999 119 725... 3
Blizzard didn't get lucky, they knew what they were doing, but they sure as hell didn't expect 1 million players in the first month. :P
I was one of the naysayers that went like : "Man, WoW looks gay as hell, i'll never play this game."
My friend made me try it.
and i played it for 5 years.
People tend to forget that it's because of WoW that MMO's went mainstream.
Posts like these are so last year
most mmos dont die
- they get less popular but they done die
Ultima Online and Everquest are over 10 years old -- EQ is still doing yearly expansions
EQ2 fan sites
Starcraft sold roughly 10 million copies worldwide and is the only game in history to be made a national sport (korea). Starcraft II hasn't been doing too shaby either...
Diablo 1+2 were even closer to wow than starcraft. :P
related to that
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/starcraftiilegacyofthevoid/news.html?sid=6271382
(Greenwald) also noted that there are currently 11 million users still actively playing the original Starcraft and Diablo II through Blizzard's online platform, Battle.net.
EQ2 fan sites
This.
People should say "failed FOR ME", when it comes to threads about a game where there's still plenty of people playing.
They had VERY big numbers at launch... moreso than LotRO(A game I love) and SWG(a game I lovED), and most definitely DCUO(no comment), all of which were huge intellectual properties. THAT MEANS SOMETHING.
...and the nigh-inevitable bleed-off of subs, which has occured in pretty much every P2P game but 2, has been very mild.
I, too, was not impressed or amused with all the WoW-killer language being spouted by folks, here, nor the whole "you're not in Azeroth, anymore" nonsense in their ads, and I said so when it happened. But to call this game a failure is laughable, at best.
troll OP is troll, as they say.
I was going to write something neat in response to the OP when i realised this. Trolls dont deserve to get fed...
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
Currently Playing EVE, ESO
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
Dwight D Eisenhower
My optimism wears heavy boots and is loud.
Henry Rollins
Yeah I want to see Blizzard come out with a fps that rivals the counterstrike mod or COD. They have been pretty solid at rts, rpg, and mmorpg. Time for them to try out fps. With CCP (Eve online) attempting to come out with a fps, maybe blizzard might try?
A mmofps currently called project titan?
My theme song.
Well you don't even play WoW anymore so how can you comment on the community? When was the last time you played? Before or after the lfg system? And you can socialize all you want and have friends for a long time and then all of a sudden none of them are on due to RL so even if you have socialized you may not always have your social buddies to run with as much as I hate to tell you. This is a fact in any game RL happens sometimes and no matter how much you have socialized all of a sudden no one you know is around for long periods of time..... Therefore you have no choice but to turn to the lfg system during this time and trust me WoW community is not a nice place to have to go when your friends are dealing with RL. They can even be so bad that they are mentally abusive with words and this is a fact not an opinion. GM's have all kinds of tickets and complaints about it.