My private time is just that. Why would I pay for something just for someone in my guild can bug me to help them with whatever raid they need help with.
If I am not logged in then. I don't desire to play.
Pure greed move. blizzard needs to stick some of those billions they make each year to hire better devs. The old girl must be loosing subs.
LOL sure it is losing subs. You can not monopolize the MMO world. Do you honeslty think Blizz would come out and say to the public oh we had 11 mill subs now only 9 mill not likely. They got to save face and go the other way. Truth of the matter is that they count those subs from day one EVEN if that person no longer plays.
It's pretty easy in game to just tab out to a messenger and chat with other folk, while keeping an eye on what's going on in game. It may be possible that one of these addon people would make a WoW addon that is a messenger interface in game just to say F- that to $2.99
Listen to me WoW players! Considering the fortune you spent on this freaking game, things like this MUST be FREE for you! Otherwise this is just a pure greed. Dont feed blizz's greed!
Another feature WoW's subscribers have to pay extra money for. Selling mounts like cash shop items and disabling features unless customers fork over the extra cash.
I'm sorry but this game used to be strictly sub based but now their headed in a sub/cash shop direction (to those who may disagree: call those mounts a "gift system" all you want but it's the same principle as a cash shop). Don't get me wrong I don't dislike a cash shop based game but stick to one or the other not both. I've always said you were a greedy coorporation Blizz but now your just pissen people off.
More features unavailable to your $15 a month subscribers unless they fork more cash your way. Nice one.
p.s. If any WoW sub fanboy comes at me for playing F2P games I'm going to punch him in the face for not paying attention.
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Where did that come from xD? Who said I hadn't played WoW..
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I played WoW. For way too long, and had considerably good memories until everything started going way down hill. Then I stopped. Am I not allowed to stop and not like them anymore? {mod edit} I havn't always had a negative opinion. And my opinion wouldn't be negative now if Blizzard would stop all this non-sense.
Why does it matter? It matters to me because I've considered going back to WoW but things just keep getting progressively worse. Current players should care because Blizzards driving more and more money out of them for bogus content, updates once every month if that and a new system where subs can pay more money for extra features and pretty pony mounts, and people like you are letting them get away with it.
Now if your going to argue for Blizzard I'd like to hear what you have to say about this. {mod edit}
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Most people go through life pretending to be a boss. I go through life pretending I'm not.
Listen to me WoW players! Considering the fortune you spent on this freaking game, things like this MUST be FREE for you! Otherwise this is just a pure greed. Dont feed blizz's greed!
EXACTLY!!!
Only the players have the ability to stop this RMT (Cash Shop) binge game Devs are on. As long as you keep buying stuff like this, they'll keep selling more and more.
This article describes me to a tee. There are many people from my old guild (Knights of Ni on Quel'Thalas - hi if any of you are reading this, still have huge nostalgia, but I'll never go back to Azeroth :-P And you Darren, you sorry f****r, why aren't you on Facebook any more? :-P) that I would have loved to have kept in touch with. I had a real emotional connection not only to some of my guildmates but also the guild itself. Unfortunately I deleted my toons and the guild website we used cancelled my account once the armoury updated. I would consider paying the £8.99 a month sub just to stay in touch. I would even consider keeping just a chat sub active for a few notes a month.
Really surprised to see that the reaction here is generally negative, I expected that by posting this I would be among a sea of "me too"s. I'm genuinely surprised, something the internet generally fails to do to me any more :-P
Octo
I have an honest question for you. You say you had an emotional attachment. I do with my guild mates as well. I am just wondering this. Did you not have their personal email, an im messenger of some sort, phone numbers. I mean with all the communication options we have now days there should have been a way to keep in touch. I'm just wondering why it only had to be though your guild portal web page, and even then I don't think guild portal removes you from that site, it takes a click for me to move somebody off my guild portal site.
I know I have personal emails, phones, and im for all the guild mates who I consider friends. I am just wondering why folks need just another tool.
Also in your case you did what I did when i left wow 5 years ago. I deleted all my toons and left. this tool would require you still having a toon in the guild in wow. And I can tell you that back then and now I know 30 days of inactivity is usually enough to get folks gone. So that raises question two how would you pay 8 pounds to talk to folks in a guild after you deleted your toons.
Just saying im got questions about your post. Looking forward to hearing your answers.
I started using the internet back in 1999. Not a particularly early adopter, but the prevailing attitude back then was to keep your real identity a very well kept secret, hide behind a nick. Be real online, but not with your actual identity was what I tried to do. This carried over into WoW for me and I was generally cagey. Not because I'd thought about it and decided that was the way to be, but out of habit.
There are other factors too. I'm naturally quite passive when it comes to interpersonal relationships, I tend to make friendships with people who want to be friends with me, rather than being pro-active. So if someone had told me their personal contact info I would have reciprocated if I liked them, but wouldn't risk initiating it. The risk being rejection, as in all attempts to take any kind of relationship to the next level.
Further complicated by the fact that I express a lot of opinions online that employers might take exception to, so I try to keep my private and public internet personas separated for that reason too (an increasingly common problem I think).
i am friends on Facebook and have an email address for the MT for my original guild from 2006, but no other contact details for anyone else from Azeroth.
Posting this prompted some big nostalgia and I actually spent a while on battlenet and wowstead last night checking out my old guild. I miss them but not WoW itself. And of course, if keeping in touch required me to still have a toon in the guild then I would have left a toon in the guild instead of deleting them all. I offed them because I had already tried to quit twice and knew I had to be ruthless with myself. My guild was always casual friendly, they would not have had a problem with keeping me in the guild just for social reasons. If I understand the armoury correctly then they have still have some toons on the roster for people who have no active sub but have been in the guild since the year dot.
If it ain't free despite paying a sub already, forget it Blizz. I'll use a free messenger service with any guildees I might want to know outside the game and we hit it off enough to know each other like that. And on a PC too, not just a smartphone. Goddaminitt.
This article describes me to a tee. There are many people from my old guild (Knights of Ni on Quel'Thalas - hi if any of you are reading this, still have huge nostalgia, but I'll never go back to Azeroth :-P And you Darren, you sorry f****r, why aren't you on Facebook any more? :-P) that I would have loved to have kept in touch with. I had a real emotional connection not only to some of my guildmates but also the guild itself. Unfortunately I deleted my toons and the guild website we used cancelled my account once the armoury updated. I would consider paying the £8.99 a month sub just to stay in touch. I would even consider keeping just a chat sub active for a few notes a month.
Really surprised to see that the reaction here is generally negative, I expected that by posting this I would be among a sea of "me too"s. I'm genuinely surprised, something the internet generally fails to do to me any more :-P
Octo
I have an honest question for you. You say you had an emotional attachment. I do with my guild mates as well. I am just wondering this. Did you not have their personal email, an im messenger of some sort, phone numbers. I mean with all the communication options we have now days there should have been a way to keep in touch. I'm just wondering why it only had to be though your guild portal web page, and even then I don't think guild portal removes you from that site, it takes a click for me to move somebody off my guild portal site.
I know I have personal emails, phones, and im for all the guild mates who I consider friends. I am just wondering why folks need just another tool.
Also in your case you did what I did when i left wow 5 years ago. I deleted all my toons and left. this tool would require you still having a toon in the guild in wow. And I can tell you that back then and now I know 30 days of inactivity is usually enough to get folks gone. So that raises question two how would you pay 8 pounds to talk to folks in a guild after you deleted your toons.
Just saying im got questions about your post. Looking forward to hearing your answers.
I started using the internet back in 1999. Not a particularly early adopter, but the prevailing attitude back then was to keep your real identity a very well kept secret, hide behind a nick. Be real online, but not with your actual identity was what I tried to do. This carried over into WoW for me and I was generally cagey. Not because I'd thought about it and decided that was the way to be, but out of habit.
There are other factors too. I'm naturally quite passive when it comes to interpersonal relationships, I tend to make friendships with people who want to be friends with me, rather than being pro-active. So if someone had told me their personal contact info I would have reciprocated if I liked them, but wouldn't risk initiating it. The risk being rejection, as in all attempts to take any kind of relationship to the next level.
Further complicated by the fact that I express a lot of opinions online that employers might take exception to, so I try to keep my private and public internet personas separated for that reason too (an increasingly common problem I think).
i am friends on Facebook and have an email address for the MT for my original guild from 2006, but no other contact details for anyone else from Azeroth.
Posting this prompted some big nostalgia and I actually spent a while on battlenet and wowstead last night checking out my old guild. I miss them but not WoW itself. And of course, if keeping in touch required me to still have a toon in the guild then I would have left a toon in the guild instead of deleting them all. I offed them because I had already tried to quit twice and knew I had to be ruthless with myself. My guild was always casual friendly, they would not have had a problem with keeping me in the guild just for social reasons. If I understand the armoury correctly then they have still have some toons on the roster for people who have no active sub but have been in the guild since the year dot.
Hope this answer doesn't disappoint ... :-P
Octo
Wow that is one heck of an answer, and thanks that cleared up a lot of things. I been around a long time myself. Back before we had internet we had buliten boards back durring the day of modems at 300 bps, back when I had a kayrpo desktop. LoL think that was back in 1980. I guess I was always and early adopter of tech stuff myself. I can remember my first 96k modem and playing twitch games over that connection.
I totally get where you coming from, sharing personal information is always risky. I use 8 different email addresses one for family, friends, business to keep it all sorted out. I never give folks my email unless I really trust them.
The facebook thing nowadays is mainly for networking for me as part of a new job search, even then your out there and open to all kinds of bad stuff happening to you if somebody decides to be mean. I am not a fan of facebook.
I can say out of all the games I played the only person who I keep in contact with was a fellow Jedi from swg. We still send yahoo back and forth at each other even though that game is long since dead. I think I have only a total of 9 folks over the years that I have played different games with that I actually still communicate with using yahoo.
I mostly use my guild forums now days as a means of communication with the guild that I am in in eq2. I would never pay cash to use a feature like the one in wow, there are to many free options out there I can use.
So now WoW is a pay 2 play, but also with a "cash shop" service, microtransactions and what not, aint we abit greedy ^^
personally i think anyone that pays for this is beyond stupid, don't feed the capitalists pig more money, sooner or later every company will think they can go this way, and it will only ruin them, blizzard can do it because people are stupid enough to keep paying for their shitty game, because its so child friendly, but we've all seen the recorded emo rage crying kids being pulled away from their computer , or the girlfriend who deletes the boyfriends wow character and then he trashes the entire computer.
Why the outrage over this, yet little to no concern over the fact that Blizzard charges their consumers for the authenticator program, which given how frequently WoW accounts are hacked, is far more essential to gameplay than mobile guild chat?
I don't necessarily believe that providing a messenging service outside of the game will prolong a players decision to continue playing if they're already at the quitting point. Even if the service was free, most guilds and players including the hundreds that I kept in touch with on Ultima and Guild Wars kept in touch utilizing other free services such as Skype, ICQ and other services. Most gamers that have an established presence in their community tend to exchange information anyways, and casual gamers that enjoy games for short periods of time tend to fall in and out of games frequently and don't find it too hard to move on to newer, more interesting concepts where they will also encounter new people.
There are already social fabrics for players/peoples to keep in touch, and services like Facebook make it even easier by creating groups and adding friends. Integrating a new messenging service per game that is unstandardized will just create bloatware for small handhelds and computers.
On the other hand, if a company (Steam is on the right track) is willing to create a standard, organized app that can manage all mmos that use its service, I could see it being a benefit to players and the games that they play.
I don't think Blizzard is taking the wrong approach however. Making it free would certainly issue a better business strategy, but as per your arguement of inclining players to play just a little bit longer, I don't foresee it creating that much of a hype. It may sway a players decision but generally if it effects the players decision, they probably were looking for an excuse to continue playing the game rather than moving on to something else (which is by no means a bad thing).
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My private time is just that. Why would I pay for something just for someone in my guild can bug me to help them with whatever raid they need help with.
If I am not logged in then. I don't desire to play.
LOL sure it is losing subs. You can not monopolize the MMO world. Do you honeslty think Blizz would come out and say to the public oh we had 11 mill subs now only 9 mill not likely. They got to save face and go the other way. Truth of the matter is that they count those subs from day one EVEN if that person no longer plays.
Why would someone want to pay for a MS Messenger?
It's pretty easy in game to just tab out to a messenger and chat with other folk, while keeping an eye on what's going on in game. It may be possible that one of these addon people would make a WoW addon that is a messenger interface in game just to say F- that to $2.99
Listen to me WoW players! Considering the fortune you spent on this freaking game, things like this MUST be FREE for you! Otherwise this is just a pure greed. Dont feed blizz's greed!
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Where did that come from xD? Who said I hadn't played WoW..
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I played WoW. For way too long, and had considerably good memories until everything started going way down hill. Then I stopped. Am I not allowed to stop and not like them anymore? {mod edit} I havn't always had a negative opinion. And my opinion wouldn't be negative now if Blizzard would stop all this non-sense.
Why does it matter? It matters to me because I've considered going back to WoW but things just keep getting progressively worse. Current players should care because Blizzards driving more and more money out of them for bogus content, updates once every month if that and a new system where subs can pay more money for extra features and pretty pony mounts, and people like you are letting them get away with it.
Now if your going to argue for Blizzard I'd like to hear what you have to say about this. {mod edit}
V
Most people go through life pretending to be a boss. I go through life pretending I'm not.
EXACTLY!!!
Only the players have the ability to stop this RMT (Cash Shop) binge game Devs are on. As long as you keep buying stuff like this, they'll keep selling more and more.
I started using the internet back in 1999. Not a particularly early adopter, but the prevailing attitude back then was to keep your real identity a very well kept secret, hide behind a nick. Be real online, but not with your actual identity was what I tried to do. This carried over into WoW for me and I was generally cagey. Not because I'd thought about it and decided that was the way to be, but out of habit.
There are other factors too. I'm naturally quite passive when it comes to interpersonal relationships, I tend to make friendships with people who want to be friends with me, rather than being pro-active. So if someone had told me their personal contact info I would have reciprocated if I liked them, but wouldn't risk initiating it. The risk being rejection, as in all attempts to take any kind of relationship to the next level.
Further complicated by the fact that I express a lot of opinions online that employers might take exception to, so I try to keep my private and public internet personas separated for that reason too (an increasingly common problem I think).
i am friends on Facebook and have an email address for the MT for my original guild from 2006, but no other contact details for anyone else from Azeroth.
Posting this prompted some big nostalgia and I actually spent a while on battlenet and wowstead last night checking out my old guild. I miss them but not WoW itself. And of course, if keeping in touch required me to still have a toon in the guild then I would have left a toon in the guild instead of deleting them all. I offed them because I had already tried to quit twice and knew I had to be ruthless with myself. My guild was always casual friendly, they would not have had a problem with keeping me in the guild just for social reasons. If I understand the armoury correctly then they have still have some toons on the roster for people who have no active sub but have been in the guild since the year dot.
Hope this answer doesn't disappoint ... :-P
Octo
If it ain't free despite paying a sub already, forget it Blizz. I'll use a free messenger service with any guildees I might want to know outside the game and we hit it off enough to know each other like that. And on a PC too, not just a smartphone. Goddaminitt.
Wow that is one heck of an answer, and thanks that cleared up a lot of things. I been around a long time myself. Back before we had internet we had buliten boards back durring the day of modems at 300 bps, back when I had a kayrpo desktop. LoL think that was back in 1980. I guess I was always and early adopter of tech stuff myself. I can remember my first 96k modem and playing twitch games over that connection.
I totally get where you coming from, sharing personal information is always risky. I use 8 different email addresses one for family, friends, business to keep it all sorted out. I never give folks my email unless I really trust them.
The facebook thing nowadays is mainly for networking for me as part of a new job search, even then your out there and open to all kinds of bad stuff happening to you if somebody decides to be mean. I am not a fan of facebook.
I can say out of all the games I played the only person who I keep in contact with was a fellow Jedi from swg. We still send yahoo back and forth at each other even though that game is long since dead. I think I have only a total of 9 folks over the years that I have played different games with that I actually still communicate with using yahoo.
I mostly use my guild forums now days as a means of communication with the guild that I am in in eq2. I would never pay cash to use a feature like the one in wow, there are to many free options out there I can use.
So now WoW is a pay 2 play, but also with a "cash shop" service, microtransactions and what not, aint we abit greedy ^^
personally i think anyone that pays for this is beyond stupid, don't feed the capitalists pig more money, sooner or later every company will think they can go this way, and it will only ruin them, blizzard can do it because people are stupid enough to keep paying for their shitty game, because its so child friendly, but we've all seen the recorded emo rage crying kids being pulled away from their computer , or the girlfriend who deletes the boyfriends wow character and then he trashes the entire computer.
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Why the outrage over this, yet little to no concern over the fact that Blizzard charges their consumers for the authenticator program, which given how frequently WoW accounts are hacked, is far more essential to gameplay than mobile guild chat?
I don't necessarily believe that providing a messenging service outside of the game will prolong a players decision to continue playing if they're already at the quitting point. Even if the service was free, most guilds and players including the hundreds that I kept in touch with on Ultima and Guild Wars kept in touch utilizing other free services such as Skype, ICQ and other services. Most gamers that have an established presence in their community tend to exchange information anyways, and casual gamers that enjoy games for short periods of time tend to fall in and out of games frequently and don't find it too hard to move on to newer, more interesting concepts where they will also encounter new people.
There are already social fabrics for players/peoples to keep in touch, and services like Facebook make it even easier by creating groups and adding friends. Integrating a new messenging service per game that is unstandardized will just create bloatware for small handhelds and computers.
On the other hand, if a company (Steam is on the right track) is willing to create a standard, organized app that can manage all mmos that use its service, I could see it being a benefit to players and the games that they play.
I don't think Blizzard is taking the wrong approach however. Making it free would certainly issue a better business strategy, but as per your arguement of inclining players to play just a little bit longer, I don't foresee it creating that much of a hype. It may sway a players decision but generally if it effects the players decision, they probably were looking for an excuse to continue playing the game rather than moving on to something else (which is by no means a bad thing).