Then we have a definition problem. Because for me a themepark is a game that works much like a themepark. I.e. you got to different spots in certain zones to ride different rides. Be it quests or any other content. The world is divided in such a way that it is quite linear with little player interaction.
So according to the definition I know then DAoC and EQ certainly are themeparks. If not what would they be, sandbox games? Hardly
There is no real definition problem, since there's no clear cut definition like in Encyclopedia Brittanica or wikipedia, we go with how the majority of people regard what themepark MMO's are since it's a term that has grown by common usage. The majority of people don't regard DAoC and EQ, nor AO or AC for that matter, as being themepark MMO's. It may be shocking to know, but sandbox or themepark MMO's don't define every single MMORPG that ever existed, they're just subgenres, there's enough MMO's that don't make good fits to either of those subgenres.
Wrong in what? I dont agree that WAR is a WoW clone as it is mainly PvP driven where as WoW is not. It does borrow alot of WoW though so there are many similarities.
You might not agree, heck, you might call LotrO or AoC not a WoW clone, but the vast majority of people have been calling WAR a WoW clone, as much or maybe even more than it has been called a themepark MMO.
Again it seems that we have a definition issue and as long as we cannot agree as to what a ThemePark is then this discussion is pointless.
True. I go with how the majority uses terms as themepark MMO's/WoW clones.
Factually correct? There is a factual definition of a ThemePark MMORPG? If so point me to it.
And this haters/critics angle is your subjective opinion. I like the therm as it is far more informative besides just saying ThemePark, which is proven by this thread where the definition of it seems unclear but everyone knows what WoW has and has not.
This haters/critics thing is how things are: 99% of the cases where 'WoW clone' is used the first time in a discussion, it's by someone who dislikes the MMO that's being talked about or dislikes themepark MMO's in general. You could surf these forums or other forums to test it, but these are facts. Heck, in this same thread and the other thread about 'WoW clones' you have themepark critics themselves admitting that they use it to express scorn, disgust and dislike when they use the term. So, what, you want to call them all liars? They use the term 'WoW clone' just as you do, in fact, you fit the profile as well as someone who dislikes themepark MMO's and favors the term 'WoW clone'.
Themepark MMO is more correct because it describes the features an MMO uses that makes it fit into the themepark subgenre, where as 'WoW clone' often describes just an emotion or feeling, a negative association with WoW that someone experiences.
Maybe the best description would be: 'WoW clone' is the term someone uses to describe some themepark MMO that reminds him negatively of WoW when he plays or reads about it.
And to throw in some more terms that could be used: WoW-style MMO or WoW-type MMO
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
The term WoW clone isn't going anywhere. *cue chants of YAY! and BOO!* But go ahead if you'd like to add to the discussion already here, the thread thread will stay open as long as things remain as they are.
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Again it seems that we have a definition issue and as long as we cannot agree as to what a ThemePark is then this discussion is pointless.
True. I go with how the majority uses terms as themepark MMO's/WoW clones.
Haha, you're so full of yourself. Just because you think that way then that is how majority sees it? Unless there is a clear definition, or some kind of poll, that the majority of people equal WoW clone with ThemePark then you cannot claim any such thing.
Factually correct? There is a factual definition of a ThemePark MMORPG? If so point me to it.
And this haters/critics angle is your subjective opinion. I like the therm as it is far more informative besides just saying ThemePark, which is proven by this thread where the definition of it seems unclear but everyone knows what WoW has and has not.
This haters/critics thing is how things are: 99% of the cases where 'WoW clone' is used the first time in a discussion, it's by someone who dislikes the MMO that's being talked about or dislikes themepark MMO's in general. You could surf these forums or other forums to test it, but thoese are facts. Heck, in this same thread and the other thread about 'WoW clones' you have themepark critics themselves admitting that they use it to express scorn, disgust and dislike when they use the term. So, what, you want to call them all liars? They use the term 'WoW clone' just as you do, in fact, you fit the profile as well as someone who dislikes themepark MMO's and favors the term 'WoW clone'.
Themepark MMO is more correct because it describes the features an MMO uses that makes it fit into the themepark subgenre, where as 'WoW clone' often describes just an emotion or feeling, a negative association with WoW that someone experiences.
Maybe the best description would be: 'WoW clone' is the term someone uses to describe some themepark MMO that reminds him negatively of WoW when he plays or reads about it.
Ok, it seems you have some personal issues with this therm so I am not going to address this thing you have with the term and haters/critics.
I, and many others, just find it as an easy way to describe a game that plays like WoW and since WoW is by far the most known MMORPG most people will know what you are talking about.
Again as proven by our discussion, it seems that the term ThemePark is not easily agreed upon but everyone have played WoW and would know what a WoW like game would play like.
If we go by the actual word Theme Park it would not be easily understood by people what it means, specially people who are not so seasoned in the MMORPG lingo so in any case it is a bad substitute for WoW clone.
I've never seen people so up in arms over something so silly.
That said, i like the term wow clone. Its a very quick way to describe how a game plays. Is it 100% accurate? Nope, but i can get a general idea of gameplay, end game, levelling and such.
Is it derogatory? perhaps.
But we're talking about a video game, not a human being, I don't think people need to be banned for using the term, or have the term taken away from the forums...
Ok, it seems you have some personal issues with this therm so I am not going to address this thing you have with the term and haters/critics.
I, and many others, just find it as an easy way to describe a game that plays like WoW and since WoW is by far the most known MMORPG most people will know what you are talking about.
Again as proven by our discussion, it seems that the term ThemePark is not easily agreed upon but everyone have played WoW and would know what a WoW like game would play like.
As our discussion has proven, it also seems that the term 'WoW clone' is not easily agreed upon, even less so than the term themepark MMO.
If we go by the actual word Theme Park it would not be easily understood by people what it means, specially people who are not so seasoned in the MMORPG lingo so in any case it is a bad substitute for WoW clone.
Nonsense. I already described earlier and many times that it just is what it is, 'WoW clone' is being used by critics and haters of an MMO or of the themepark MMO design when they talk about one MMO or the other.
Which is a fact. You hardly see any fans who like an MMO or WoW-style gameplay use the term 'WoW clone' to describe it.
I just find it hilarious how some users of the term 'WoW clone' want to try to give all kinds of excuses or validation to use the term while at the core it's very simple: someone doesn't like an MMORPG, for whatever reason it reminds him of WoW, so he calls it 'WoW clone'. It's intended to be derogatory and demeaning (towards the game, not persons), not just to give a neutral description of a discussed MMO but also to express dislike.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
"Oh indeed, you played Alganon? Wasn't that game awfully Azeroth-alike?"
Or: "I'd very much appreciate it if you would stop proclaiming that Rift is Azeroth-alike."
Yes that is very smart and interesting, DarkPony.
But Meowhead suggested something much better in the locked counter thread:
"WOW-tribute": noone has to feel offended anymore as tributes are very positive things and often make a lot of money too.
Of course WOW needs to die first to call other games a WOW-tribute but that won't be a problem since it has been dying for the past 5 years or so according to many well-informed people all over the internet. It shouldn't take long now, I suppose.
Actually, I liked your term too, since it has alliteration, though I was thinking of other possible methods that sound even classier!
How about 'Azerothesque'? That sounds foreign and exotic!
I also am a big fan of portmanteaus, so what about 'WoWspired', using the word inspired?
We just need to come up with a term so classy and awesome that when people say 'WoW clone', they're laughed at snobbishly with a roll of the eyes and a 'Oh. That's SO 2010.'
I've never seen people so up in arms over something so silly.
Sure you have, remember all the great threads arguing over whether or not Guild Wars is a MMORPG and did it deserve to be on these forums? Memorable.
Just like carebear, wow-clone is a term that will never die. (Unless of course SWTOR or GW2 manages to swat WOW into oblivion, than everything can be a SWTOR-clone.)
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Ok, it seems you have some personal issues with this therm so I am not going to address this thing you have with the term and haters/critics.
I, and many others, just find it as an easy way to describe a game that plays like WoW and since WoW is by far the most known MMORPG most people will know what you are talking about.
Again as proven by our discussion, it seems that the term ThemePark is not easily agreed upon but everyone have played WoW and would know what a WoW like game would play like.
As our discussion has proven, it also seems that the term 'WoW clone' is not easily agreed upon, even less so than the term themepark MMO.
If we go by the actual word Theme Park it would not be easily understood by people what it means, specially people who are not so seasoned in the MMORPG lingo so in any case it is a bad substitute for WoW clone.
Nonsense. I already described earlier and many times that it's just is what it is, 'WoW clone' is being used by critics and haters of an MMO or of the themepark MMO design when they talk about one MMO or the other.
Which is a fact. You hardly see any fans who like an MMO or WoW-style gameplay use the term 'WoW clone' to describe it.
I just find it hilarious how some users of the term 'WoW clone' want to try to give all kinds of excuses or validation to use the term while at the core it's very simple: someone doesn't like an MMORPG, for whatever reason it reminds him of WoW, so he calls it 'WoW clone'. It's intended to be derogatory and demeaning (towards the game, not persons), not just to give a neutral description of a discussed MMO but also to express dislike.
Who cares?
Does it really bother you that much? Someone is tired of the trend of similiar themeparks and calls it a WoW clone.. Thats their opinion. Two birds, one stone. Does that make them right? No
Obviously, theres plenty of people who use the term to their advantage, as these "WoW clones" still tend to sell a whole lot of boxes, so some folks really like them. Perhaps they see the term WoW clone, and decide they will purchase it just for that reason.
The term WoW clone isn't going anywhere. *cue chants of YAY! and BOO!* But go ahead if you'd like to add to the discussion already here, the thread thread will stay open as long as things remain as they are.
I actually enjoy threads like this. Yes, on some posts I want to pull out my hair, but on others I laugh hysterically. Still, other times I gleen some new insight or prespective on how I view MMORPGS and how maybe... just maybe... not everyone else is the same as me.
Something I hadn't considered before: is a derogatory term for a game on a video game forum okay?
I've never seen people so up in arms over something so silly.
Sure you have, remember all the great threads arguing over whether or not Guild Wars is a MMORPG and did it deserve to be on these forums? Memorable.
Just like carebear, wow-clone is a term that will never die. (Unless of course SWTOR or GW2 manages to swat WOW into oblivion, than everything can be a SWTOR-clone.)
Right.
But if you recall, the question if guild wars is a mmorpg is answered in the official Guild Wars website.
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"Oh look! theres actual classes in that game! its a WOW Clone!".
WOW is a clone of the games before it then.
Sigh,... Do the 8 classes in the new game pretty much mimic the 8 in WOW? (including making the same classes available to all factions?) Or did they create 40+ classes like DAOC did with each of the realms having a unique feel to them (of course there was significant overlap, a tank is a tank after all)
The difference is all in the presentation and it sometimes is a fine line between a MMO being labeled a clone or not.
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I've never seen people so up in arms over something so silly.
Sure you have, remember all the great threads arguing over whether or not Guild Wars is a MMORPG and did it deserve to be on these forums? Memorable.
Just like carebear, wow-clone is a term that will never die. (Unless of course SWTOR or GW2 manages to swat WOW into oblivion, than everything can be a SWTOR-clone.)
Right.
But if you recall, the question if guild wars is a mmorpg is answered in the official Guild Wars website.
LOL, but just like some folks don't believe Obama is a US citizen, or that Osama is really dead, there's just no convincing some folks now, is there.
Maybe we could ask the other game makers to post in their websites that yes, indeed, they are in fact WOW clones.
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"Oh indeed, you played Alganon? Wasn't that game awfully Azeroth-alike?"
Or: "I'd very much appreciate it if you would stop proclaiming that Rift is Azeroth-alike."
Yes that is very smart and interesting, DarkPony.
But Meowhead suggested something much better in the locked counter thread:
"WOW-tribute": noone has to feel offended anymore as tributes are very positive things and often make a lot of money too.
Of course WOW needs to die first to call other games a WOW-tribute but that won't be a problem since it has been dying for the past 5 years or so according to many well-informed people all over the internet. It shouldn't take long now, I suppose.
Actually, I liked your term too, since it has alliteration, though I was thinking of other possible methods that sound even classier!
How about 'Azerothesque'? That sounds foreign and exotic!
I also am a big fan of portmanteaus, so what about 'WoWspired', using the word inspired?
We just need to come up with a term so classy and awesome that when people say 'WoW clone', they're laughed at snobbishly with a roll of the eyes and a 'Oh. That's SO 2010.'
Does it really bother you that much? Someone is tired of the trend of similiar themeparks and calls it a WoW clone.. Thats their opinion, two birds, one stone. Does that make them right? No
Obviously, theres plenty of people who use the term to their advantage, as these "WoW clones" still tend to sell a whole lot of boxes, so some folks really like them. Perhaps they see the term WoW clone, and decide they will purchase it just for that reason.
I don't care.
Unless haters/critics of an MMO try to pretend that the term is neutral, devoid of any negativity or emotional coloring.
In 99% of the cases when used initially it isn't meant to say 'this game is a themepark MMO', but more something like 'this game sucks, I don't like how it makes me think of WoW'.
The replies when someone uses that term are in line with what a poster was actually trying to say when he posted 'this game is a WoW clone'.
Originally posted by Meowhead
Actually, I liked your term too, since it has alliteration, though I was thinking of other possible methods that sound even classier!
How about 'Azerothesque'? That sounds foreign and exotic!
I also am a big fan of portmanteaus, so what about 'WoWspired', using the word inspired?
We just need to come up with a term so classy and awesome that when people say 'WoW clone', they're laughed at snobbishly with a roll of the eyes and a 'Oh. That's SO 2010.'
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Does it really bother you that much? Someone is tired of the trend of similiar themeparks and calls it a WoW clone.. Thats their opinion, two birds, one stone. Does that make them right? No
Obviously, theres plenty of people who use the term to their advantage, as these "WoW clones" still tend to sell a whole lot of boxes, so some folks really like them. Perhaps they see the term WoW clone, and decide they will purchase it just for that reason.
I don't care.
Unless haters/critics of an MMO try to pretend that the term is neutral, devoid of any negativity or emotional coloring.
In 99% of the cases when used initially it isn't meant to say 'this game is a themepark MMO', but more something like 'this game sucks, I don't like how it makes me think of WoW'.
The replies when someone uses that term are in line with what a poster was actually trying to say when he posted 'this game is a WoW clone'.
Originally posted by Meowhead
Actually, I liked your term too, since it has alliteration, though I was thinking of other possible methods that sound even classier!
How about 'Azerothesque'? That sounds foreign and exotic!
I also am a big fan of portmanteaus, so what about 'WoWspired', using the word inspired?
We just need to come up with a term so classy and awesome that when people say 'WoW clone', they're laughed at snobbishly with a roll of the eyes and a 'Oh. That's SO 2010.'
Sometimes when someone uses the term 'WoW clone' he hates/dislikes WoW, but other times he doesn't mind WoW but he dislikes how much another MMO reminds him of WoW, so the negative feelings aren't so much directed towards WoW but more towards the MMO he compares with WoW.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Sometimes when someone uses the term 'WoW clone' he hates/dislikes WoW, but other times he doesn't mind WoW but he dislikes how much another MMO reminds him of WoW, so the negative feelings aren't so much directed towards WoW but more towards the MMO he compares with WoW.
Well if the mmos coming out are any indication, the "clone wars" might be coming to an end. Then maybe the term "WoW-clone" will be a thing of the past. lol
Sometimes when someone uses the term 'WoW clone' he hates/dislikes WoW, but other times he doesn't mind WoW but he dislikes how much another MMO reminds him of WoW, so the negative feelings aren't so much directed towards WoW but more towards the MMO he compares with WoW.
I know this might sound illogical but some people use "WoW clone" as an actual term and not as an expression of how they feel towards a game. They can either feel negative or positive (I have seen quite a few very positive reviews of a specific game even if the posters use the "WoW clone" word) but the use of that term has little to do with it.
Does it really bother you that much? Someone is tired of the trend of similiar themeparks and calls it a WoW clone.. Thats their opinion, two birds, one stone. Does that make them right? No
Obviously, theres plenty of people who use the term to their advantage, as these "WoW clones" still tend to sell a whole lot of boxes, so some folks really like them. Perhaps they see the term WoW clone, and decide they will purchase it just for that reason.
I don't care.
Unless haters/critics of an MMO try to pretend that the term is neutral, devoid of any negativity or emotional coloring.
In 99% of the cases when used initially it isn't meant to say 'this game is a themepark MMO', but more something like 'this game sucks, I don't like how it makes me think of WoW'.
The replies when someone uses that term are in line with what a poster was actually trying to say when he posted 'this game is a WoW clone'.
I can't recall many (if any) cases where folks using that term tried to pretend anything like you said..
I use the term, and freely admit you're right in your assesment of why i use it. Though a game doesn't neccasarily suck if its a WoW clone... but i probably won't be playing it, as its not the type of game i'm looking for...
I just find it hilarious how some users of the term 'WoW clone' want to try to give all kinds of excuses or validation to use the term while at the core it's very simple: someone doesn't like an MMORPG, for whatever reason it reminds him of WoW, so he calls it 'WoW clone'. It's intended to be derogatory and demeaning (towards the game, not persons), not just to give a neutral description of a discussed MMO but also to express dislike.
Who cares?
Does it really bother you that much? Someone is tired of the trend of similiar themeparks and calls it a WoW clone.. Thats their opinion. Two birds, one stone. Does that make them right? No
Obviously, theres plenty of people who use the term to their advantage, as these "WoW clones" still tend to sell a whole lot of boxes, so some folks really like them. Perhaps they see the term WoW clone, and decide they will purchase it just for that reason.
I second your "who cares?" and would like to add that I actually encouraged a RL friend (whom I introduced to WoW) to play two different mmos by describing them as WoW clones. I wasn't being derogatory, I was just well aware of how much he loved WoW and would likely appreciate the new games. Of course, I went into more detail than merely labelling them as WoW clones, but that quick and simple to understand term got him on the right page quickly.
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Well if the mmos coming out are any indication, the "clone wars" might be coming to an end. Then maybe the term "WoW-clone" will be a thing of the past. lol
Heh, I sure hope so
Originally posted by chikso
I know this might sound illogical but some people use "WoW clone" as an actual term and not as an expression of how they feel towards a game. They can either feel negative or positive (I have seen quite a few very positive reviews of a specific game even if the posters use the "WoW clone" word) but the use of that term has little to do with it.
In the vast majority of the cases, however, it's being used negatively.
You just have to ask 2 questions when someone brings that term into a discussion: do you like the game? Do you like how some things of the game remind you of WoW?
In the majority of cases, the answer to both questions will be 'no'.
You don't see a lot of people who really like an MMO or the themepark features that resemble WoW in it use the term 'WoW clone' to describe it.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
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This haters/critics thing is how things are: 99% of the cases where 'WoW clone' is used the first time in a discussion, it's by someone who dislikes the MMO that's being talked about or dislikes themepark MMO's in general. You could surf these forums or other forums to test it, but these are facts. Heck, in this same thread and the other thread about 'WoW clones' you have themepark critics themselves admitting that they use it to express scorn, disgust and dislike when they use the term. So, what, you want to call them all liars? They use the term 'WoW clone' just as you do, in fact, you fit the profile as well as someone who dislikes themepark MMO's and favors the term 'WoW clone'.
Themepark MMO is more correct because it describes the features an MMO uses that makes it fit into the themepark subgenre, where as 'WoW clone' often describes just an emotion or feeling, a negative association with WoW that someone experiences.
Maybe the best description would be: 'WoW clone' is the term someone uses to describe some themepark MMO that reminds him negatively of WoW when he plays or reads about it.
And to throw in some more terms that could be used: WoW-style MMO or WoW-type MMO
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
The term WoW clone isn't going anywhere. *cue chants of YAY! and BOO!*
But go ahead if you'd like to add to the discussion already here, the thread thread will stay open as long as things remain as they are.
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Ok, it seems you have some personal issues with this therm so I am not going to address this thing you have with the term and haters/critics.
I, and many others, just find it as an easy way to describe a game that plays like WoW and since WoW is by far the most known MMORPG most people will know what you are talking about.
Again as proven by our discussion, it seems that the term ThemePark is not easily agreed upon but everyone have played WoW and would know what a WoW like game would play like.
If we go by the actual word Theme Park it would not be easily understood by people what it means, specially people who are not so seasoned in the MMORPG lingo so in any case it is a bad substitute for WoW clone.
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This thread is hysterical....
I've never seen people so up in arms over something so silly.
That said, i like the term wow clone. Its a very quick way to describe how a game plays. Is it 100% accurate? Nope, but i can get a general idea of gameplay, end game, levelling and such.
Is it derogatory? perhaps.
But we're talking about a video game, not a human being, I don't think people need to be banned for using the term, or have the term taken away from the forums...
Nonsense. I already described earlier and many times that it just is what it is, 'WoW clone' is being used by critics and haters of an MMO or of the themepark MMO design when they talk about one MMO or the other.
Which is a fact. You hardly see any fans who like an MMO or WoW-style gameplay use the term 'WoW clone' to describe it.
I just find it hilarious how some users of the term 'WoW clone' want to try to give all kinds of excuses or validation to use the term while at the core it's very simple: someone doesn't like an MMORPG, for whatever reason it reminds him of WoW, so he calls it 'WoW clone'. It's intended to be derogatory and demeaning (towards the game, not persons), not just to give a neutral description of a discussed MMO but also to express dislike.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Actually, I liked your term too, since it has alliteration, though I was thinking of other possible methods that sound even classier!
How about 'Azerothesque'? That sounds foreign and exotic!
I also am a big fan of portmanteaus, so what about 'WoWspired', using the word inspired?
We just need to come up with a term so classy and awesome that when people say 'WoW clone', they're laughed at snobbishly with a roll of the eyes and a 'Oh. That's SO 2010.'
Sure you have, remember all the great threads arguing over whether or not Guild Wars is a MMORPG and did it deserve to be on these forums? Memorable.
Just like carebear, wow-clone is a term that will never die. (Unless of course SWTOR or GW2 manages to swat WOW into oblivion, than everything can be a SWTOR-clone.)
Right.
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How about just "sucks too"?
Who cares?
Does it really bother you that much? Someone is tired of the trend of similiar themeparks and calls it a WoW clone.. Thats their opinion. Two birds, one stone. Does that make them right? No
Obviously, theres plenty of people who use the term to their advantage, as these "WoW clones" still tend to sell a whole lot of boxes, so some folks really like them. Perhaps they see the term WoW clone, and decide they will purchase it just for that reason.
I agree, hate the term.
"Oh look! theres actual classes in that game! its a WOW Clone!".
WOW is a clone of the games before it then.
I actually enjoy threads like this. Yes, on some posts I want to pull out my hair, but on others I laugh hysterically. Still, other times I gleen some new insight or prespective on how I view MMORPGS and how maybe... just maybe... not everyone else is the same as me.
Something I hadn't considered before: is a derogatory term for a game on a video game forum okay?
But if you recall, the question if guild wars is a mmorpg is answered in the official Guild Wars website.
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Sigh,... Do the 8 classes in the new game pretty much mimic the 8 in WOW? (including making the same classes available to all factions?) Or did they create 40+ classes like DAOC did with each of the realms having a unique feel to them (of course there was significant overlap, a tank is a tank after all)
The difference is all in the presentation and it sometimes is a fine line between a MMO being labeled a clone or not.
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LOL, but just like some folks don't believe Obama is a US citizen, or that Osama is really dead, there's just no convincing some folks now, is there.
Maybe we could ask the other game makers to post in their websites that yes, indeed, they are in fact WOW clones.
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Nice. I vote for this.
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Agreed.
How about "Wowishly"? Hmm ...
No, no, I know: ... "Wowlicious!"
Let's test it.
"Oh man, this game is so Wowlicious!"
I think we have a winner ...
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I don't care.
Unless haters/critics of an MMO try to pretend that the term is neutral, devoid of any negativity or emotional coloring.
In 99% of the cases when used initially it isn't meant to say 'this game is a themepark MMO', but more something like 'this game sucks, I don't like how it makes me think of WoW'.
The replies when someone uses that term are in line with what a poster was actually trying to say when he posted 'this game is a WoW clone'.
Mmm. Ok, I'll contribute:
- WoW styled?
- WoWesque?
- WoW cousin?
- Azeroth alias?
- WoW wannabe?
- WoW breed?
- WoWpark?
- Azeroth colony?
- WoW descendant?
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I guess if you hate WoW it's negative.
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Sometimes when someone uses the term 'WoW clone' he hates/dislikes WoW, but other times he doesn't mind WoW but he dislikes how much another MMO reminds him of WoW, so the negative feelings aren't so much directed towards WoW but more towards the MMO he compares with WoW.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Well if the mmos coming out are any indication, the "clone wars" might be coming to an end. Then maybe the term "WoW-clone" will be a thing of the past. lol
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I know this might sound illogical but some people use "WoW clone" as an actual term and not as an expression of how they feel towards a game. They can either feel negative or positive (I have seen quite a few very positive reviews of a specific game even if the posters use the "WoW clone" word) but the use of that term has little to do with it.
I can't recall many (if any) cases where folks using that term tried to pretend anything like you said..
I use the term, and freely admit you're right in your assesment of why i use it. Though a game doesn't neccasarily suck if its a WoW clone... but i probably won't be playing it, as its not the type of game i'm looking for...
I agree.
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I second your "who cares?" and would like to add that I actually encouraged a RL friend (whom I introduced to WoW) to play two different mmos by describing them as WoW clones. I wasn't being derogatory, I was just well aware of how much he loved WoW and would likely appreciate the new games. Of course, I went into more detail than merely labelling them as WoW clones, but that quick and simple to understand term got him on the right page quickly.
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Heh, I sure hope so
In the vast majority of the cases, however, it's being used negatively.
You just have to ask 2 questions when someone brings that term into a discussion: do you like the game? Do you like how some things of the game remind you of WoW?
In the majority of cases, the answer to both questions will be 'no'.
You don't see a lot of people who really like an MMO or the themepark features that resemble WoW in it use the term 'WoW clone' to describe it.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."