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SONY should be SUED for more than 25billion USD
Fadedbomb
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SONY makes billions each year in profit, so why do you think only a handful of cases worth a total of 5billion will hurt them too harshly?
Make a statement in regards to information security (SONY literally laxed on TONS of mandatorial security), and sue the CRAP out of them until they actually feel it.
/Just Sayin
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That seems like a bit much too me... I think the company should be forced to pay for credit protection and pay for any fraud damages people actually have.
Maybe a penalty too.. but 25 billion is a bit much.. that would put the company out of business (if they paid) and put a lot of people out of jobs.
A billion dollar fraud "fund" for its customers would be sufficient imo
They should make vangaurd saga of heroes free to play and I would be happy.
Also, give me free months on all their currently online mmorpgs. (on top of these downtime days)
I don't need money. Just fix FFXIV, work vangaurd a little bit, make it free to play, and don't screw up your games in the future.
(I also would take stock options)
I am entitled to my opinions, misspellings, and grammatical errors.
OP- I have no idea where you get your statistics from but they are grossly inflated. Sony made a combined profit in 2010 of just under 300million USD from all combined departments in one quarter, around 800M total for the year.
SOE makes less then 6m a year on profits and paid over 27m in upkeep last year.
Suing is not the answer to anything when it ultimately did not hurt the consumer. The people who are suing over this are just doing so cause of greed. It wasn't like they lost anything or have been injured due to this.
So sick of people suing over stupid shit, when it mames or injuries you then by all means sue but to ask for monetary damages in excess of anything reasonable it's just plain greed and stupidity.
Sony makes some the leading technological advances in the past couple decades, lets just say this company has shaped modern technology to what you enjoy today. Without it you probably wouldn't have lots of the things we take for granted today.
If anything people should sue the hackers if they ever get caught.
The hackers have no money.. and somebody has to pay for any damages from identity theft.
If sony doesn't pay for damages... it will end up falling onto credit card companies who I can assure you will not sit by and just pay for it.
All the recent data thefts makes me wonder if people are fed up with hackers in general.
How much does fraud protection actually cost?
Would you pay an extra dollar or two a month on top of your montly gaming bill to have fraud insurance if a game company offered it?
I know i would.
There is something that nobody else considers when they say Sony is at fault. You know they have insurance for this very reason, and because SOE is an LLC based company the shareholders and any employee can't sell stock prior to this happening, which makes me think if it was an inside job then wouldn't it make sense for them to sell their shares off sometime before. I am sure the FBI looked into this.
Also insurance protects them from liability here, if anything the insurance company is now going to have pay all the damages out if it gets that far, maybe they are paying already for the downtime.
Something else is when you insure a multi million dollar company the insurance company will make sure security is adequate before they insure you and subsequently every quarter to make sure they are protected. This is why I don't think SOE was inadequate on the personal information database they had, it must of been up to date and secure enough to make the insurance company give them the go ahead every quarter.
I only said we should sue the hackers if anything because it was them who done this not SOE, but yeah no kidding we wouldn't get anything but it's just delightful idea.
I dont have an opinion about this either way as I lost faith in sony loooong ago, and some of what you say is true, but you dont think sony is at fault here, while i agre with many other posts that " you connect to the net your never safe" BUT sony lost some 25 million CC numbers and account info's AND have admitted to having an outdated version of the server software and not even a basic firewall. while this is sad for sony and maybe not there fault entirely they could have at least tried to protect the consumers just a wee bit
I'm guessing the OP doesn't realize that Sony is offering free ID protection service for 1 year for all PSN users. My guess would be that this was put into place before Sony realized that SOE accounts were compromised as well. Hopefully Sony has a similar option in the works for SOE users do not have a PSN account as well.
It was announced last Thursday via Sony's Blog, which can be found here.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/05/sony-offering-free-allclear-id-plus-identity-theft-protection-in-the-united-states-through-debix-inc/
FFXIV is Square Enix, not SOE.
The bottom line: In the end, this is going to cost yet more freedoms. Yep, thats right - one or two more freedoms gone. It's the same old thing that happens all the time. Someone does something immorale and everyone else pays for it. The only thing that truely resolve these issues in holding the person(s) responcible with their lives. Rest assured, if we, as people would do that with everything, these issues would stop.
I heard something on the internet so im gonna jump on the bandwagon and make stuff up. LETS SUE SOE FOR 1666667777101010 billion dollars because they wronged me so much.
I think even 1 billion is too high. That is just insane.
Also, I would not pay an extra dollar a month for fraud protection. I GET THOSE SERVICES FOR FREE!!!!!!
No one is out anything. No one lost any money due to fraud. If my credit card gets stolen, well guess what I do? I deny the charges and get a new card. Simple as that really. I didnt pay any thing to make a phone call. I didnt lose anything.
INTERWEBS FRAUD
I DESERVE MONEY JUST IN CASE I MIGHT HAVE ILLEGAL CHARGES BROUGHT AGAINST MY CREDIT CARD ONE DAY, ONE DAY, MAYBE, AT SOME POINT, MAYBE... PAY LOTS OF MONEY JUST IN CASE
I do agree there should be stiffer penalties for large scale thefts.
like you steal more than a million dollars you get an automatic 20 years in prison or something like that.
Nope..thats just means a vacation, three hot meals and I have to pay for it. Just off them and be done with it. Case closed..
Trust me.. there are ways to get money out of inmates...
Some states put them to work in fields or clearing ditches.. growing food.. other random knick knacks or w/e
Hell even if it was just making big rocks into small rocks could sell that for landscaping ^^
Why would anyone sue Sony? It's not their fault they got hacked. I don't know why anyone's blaming Sony for their problems anyway, even if they did respond too "harshly" to someone modifying THEIR product and redistributing their knowledge. Do you want PSN to be filled with hackers? No!
So get a grip, you'll get through this, and in a few days time you'll be back to playing CoD, bored, because you've already played it for hundreds of hours.
its not just the stolen but the damages. lost revenues to developers are losing big $$$ everyday.
indeed they should pass a strict & harsher law.
True. To bad there are too many people out there who think it's wrong and humiliating for inmates to have to do such a thing. I agree with you though 100%. Average inmate cost around $33k a year. Put them to work with shock collars and armed guards.
It works like this
Sony Customer A gets their identity stolen.. they lose 200 thousand dollars
Customer A goes to the credit card company and files a claim... they get the money stolen reimbursed to their account but unfortunately the money was already spent and unrecoverable.
Credit Card Company is now out 200 thousand dollars... so they go to their insurance company..
Insurance company reimburses the credit card company...
Now the insurance company paid like a good company should.. but if they stand a good chance of getting part of the money back by suing Sony.. you bet your ass their gonna sue Sony.
Sony does seem to be offering fraud insurance to people..
but what about the people who haven't gotten word yet or were already stolen from before they could enroll... or people who didn't bother and still got their money stolen.
Doh, thats right. Good ol' Square Enix. Guess my previous comment in another thread about FFXIV being the "final" fantasy was off track.
Though I don't think any of my ideas will work as making vangaurd free to play will cost them money, not make it.
I am entitled to my opinions, misspellings, and grammatical errors.
Sony is responsible for the security of the account info and credit information of it's customers. That being said the people sue'n them for huge amounts of money = lame. (At this point "no blood no foul" rule should apply imo)
If they are found negligence in not protecting the information with updated security measures (with all there modern technology laying around and all)and also in waiting a week to tell the affected acount holders they will probably land in some type of breach of trust lawsuits or what ever, with at least a couple different countries and those shady gamer types alike. Fines and maybe small payouts is all I could really imagine coming from those.
As some one that hates soe for killing swg I think all this is zomg funnys, but as an adult at least by the standard of age I'd hate to think that anymore people would lose there jobs at Sony this year. The axe has already come down pretty hard lately....
The hackers (who are full of win) just pulled the largest hack job ever and you can bank on someone going down big time for it guilty or no.
let me 1st off say i have a ps3 and it was collecting dust before all this happened
and why should sony be sued? sue them because u couldnt play online for a couple of weeks or play games?
u should know by now that the interwebz is not a safe place and NO1 or single thing is ever safe or 100% safe from anything
there have been other consoles out there that tanked that had online play as well ..and yes people still bought those games before knowing they had no online play..it was their own stupidity **dreamcast** that was back in the days before there were cash shops and such..<<--i know this..but things in the world evolve and so does the interwebz as we see it doing so before our very eyes with sercurity and hard/software and now instead of protesting in the streets they do it via interweb
im far from a sony lover..
if it was up to me id put sony in a seat and force them to play their own products that was released at day 1 to exp. the greatness of their games and then put eye clamps on their eyes to make em stay open untill they bleed and to see how fast their great games turn to piles of hulking crap..but im sure they wont care much cuz as with 99% of all companys want is the almighty $$ ..why would they make 1 or 2 great long lasting games that can last for years when they can make new ones every other week or every 3-4 months and make $m$i$l$l$i$o$n$s of dollars..sadly it is now the nature of the beast
if they are smart they will tank ps3 and move quickly on a new console asap..ya they may lose some money..but all the bad press will soon turn to good press as soon as the kiddies see the NEW flashy thing in stores come christmass time
Doesn't really bother me, I have 2 SOE accounts, but the database accessed was from 2007 and my card info on that database is obsolete. The other info they received is info they could have gained through other means if they really wanted to. I'm not going to let that data theft take over my day to day life. Too many people freaking out over it all.
Think about it this way, 100 million accounts had their info stolen and odds are you have under 10 of those. Imagine how many of the credit cards tied to those accounts are invalid or were invalidated right after the news broke. This hack seems more like a message to Sony than anything and the people involved will eventually be caught. If they are smart, they won't try and use the info they've stolen.
I'm not mad at Sony for this. If someone kills another person with a gun, do you go after the killer or the company that made the gun? If someone uses a kitchen knife to stab someone to death, do you go after the maker of the knife? Now this does apply in the same way to the guy being targeted by sony, but the hackers chose the wrong route.
If you think about it, the hackers went after YOU to send a message to a corporation they have an issue with. They could have chosen other tactics, but they chose to steal from you instead. You're pointing the blame at Sony, but shouldn't you be pointing it at the ones who really deserve the blame? They not only stole your information, but they also caused two networks to be shut down in the process. So, place the blame where it is due and stop blaming Sony for this.
Glad to see sensible people. Was afraid of seeing people spam this with agreeing posts to the OP. 25billion +... are you serious?
For what?
The potential of your information being used/taken?
Like the previous posts said if you did get a charge you didn't do you can call up and have it removed and get a new card etc. No effort needed really.
To sue them simply for the possibility is rediculous. Would you sue the guys that invented card scanners simply because they can be physically hacked to scan stuff even in your wallets? It's much in the same but you don't have people pitching a bitch like they are with the PS3 fiasco.
It's people like this that make people encouraged to charge monthly fees for everything. They need to make vast incomes to cover any sue happy idiots out there trying to make a quick buck off of nothing.