Is this the end

Warny · May 2011

With all the dramas etc there is know doubt we will loss Subs to SOE and VG,

So my question is will it be the end to VG, we all know that it's a great game but has suffered from low Pop for a long time, is this enough to tip SOE to turning it off, or could it be a saving grace.

Nethermancer · May 2011

TBH the end should have come a long time ago so I will just enjoy the time i have and not care if its the end or not.

erictlewis · May 2011

To be honest I think its the end of the line for SOE in general. Games like vanguard, swg, pax nora, pirates of the carabine probably will not come back online.

It is still a guessing game about the two flagship games EQ, and EQ2. We been down 9 days now and keep getting the same expansion, were working on it.

We have to be real, at some point it has to cost more to fix the game than save it. I think we are rapidly getting close to that point for all the pc games at soe.

Now the PSN stuff they have 21 million ps3, psp out in the field so they still have a chance to save face their. however I don't see how they can compensate for the games who already are suffering low populations. If SOE keeps this up for the PC side games there not going to have much of a player base left. Most of the people playing the PC based games are doing it because they truly loved them, however at some point even those folks will realize there just another sub number.

I think its a dark day for all us subscribers.

ArcheAge · May 2011

Originally posted by erictlewis
To be honest I think its the end of the line for SOE in general. Games like vanguard, swg, pax nora, pirates of the carabine probably will not come back online.

It is still a guessing game about the two flagship games EQ, and EQ2. We been down 9 days now and keep getting the same expansion, were working on it.

We have to be real, at some point it has to cost more to fix the game than save it. I think we are rapidly getting close to that point for all the pc games at soe.

Now the PSN stuff they have 21 million ps3, psp out in the field so they still have a chance to save face their. however I don't see how they can compensate for the games who already are suffering low populations. If SOE keeps this up for the PC side games there not going to have much of a player base left. Most of the people playing the PC based games are doing it because they truly loved them, however at some point even those folks will realize there just another sub number.

I think its a dark day for all us subscribers.

Lol more nonsense ,seriously i bet you any money that all the games you mention will come back online as soon as this is sorted out.

Belive it or not but players are still playing those games whether you like it or not.

ArcheAge · May 2011

Originally posted by Warny
With all the dramas etc there is know doubt we will loss Subs to SOE and VG,

So my question is will it be the end to VG, we all know that it's a great game but has suffered from low Pop for a long time, is this enough to tip SOE to turning it off, or could it be a saving grace.

If SOE have any sence they should allow a 30-60 day opening of all Vanguard accounts,it could be the saving grace. Many of the 200k plus who bought Vanguard but left after the first 30 days or 3 months have not played since then.

They don't relaise that Vanguard is not the same buggy mess it was 4 years ago and even with lack of updates a noob would have plenty to do.

Just levelling adventuring to top level 55 would take them 3+ months let alone crafting and diplomacy.

Reizla · May 2011

It might be yet an other blow for SOE games like VG indeed, but the end? As long as the subscribing players earn enough to keep those servers up & running, I doubt that SOE will cancel VG (or the other lowly populated games). But if things will take a lot longer, population of games like VG will most likely decline indeed because players hop to an other (previously) played MMORPG and not return...

erictlewis · May 2011

Originally posted by ArcheAge

Originally posted by erictlewis

To be honest I think its the end of the line for SOE in general. Games like vanguard, swg, pax nora, pirates of the carabine probably will not come back online.

It is still a guessing game about the two flagship games EQ, and EQ2. We been down 9 days now and keep getting the same expansion, were working on it.

We have to be real, at some point it has to cost more to fix the game than save it. I think we are rapidly getting close to that point for all the pc games at soe.

Now the PSN stuff they have 21 million ps3, psp out in the field so they still have a chance to save face their. however I don't see how they can compensate for the games who already are suffering low populations. If SOE keeps this up for the PC side games there not going to have much of a player base left. Most of the people playing the PC based games are doing it because they truly loved them, however at some point even those folks will realize there just another sub number.

I think its a dark day for all us subscribers.

Lol more nonsense ,seriously i bet you any money that all the games you mention will come back online as soon as this is sorted out.

Belive it or not but players are still playing those games whether you like it or not.

Just go ahead and think that. I been with soe since SWG and EQ2 rolled out. I can tell you I watched our game populations decline a long time. Right now our guild forums are full of unhappy folks, the longer were down the more folks are going to look at other games, even the die hard defenders are questioning whats really going on.

Phry · May 2011

Originally posted by erictlewis

Originally posted by ArcheAge

Originally posted by erictlewis

To be honest I think its the end of the line for SOE in general. Games like vanguard, swg, pax nora, pirates of the carabine probably will not come back online.

It is still a guessing game about the two flagship games EQ, and EQ2. We been down 9 days now and keep getting the same expansion, were working on it.

We have to be real, at some point it has to cost more to fix the game than save it. I think we are rapidly getting close to that point for all the pc games at soe.

Now the PSN stuff they have 21 million ps3, psp out in the field so they still have a chance to save face their. however I don't see how they can compensate for the games who already are suffering low populations. If SOE keeps this up for the PC side games there not going to have much of a player base left. Most of the people playing the PC based games are doing it because they truly loved them, however at some point even those folks will realize there just another sub number.

I think its a dark day for all us subscribers.

Lol more nonsense ,seriously i bet you any money that all the games you mention will come back online as soon as this is sorted out.

Belive it or not but players are still playing those games whether you like it or not.

Just go ahead and think that. I been with soe since SWG and EQ2 rolled out. I can tell you I watched our game populations decline a long time. Right now our guild forums are full of unhappy folks, the longer were down the more folks are going to look at other games, even the die hard defenders are questioning whats really going on.

don't worry.. didnt they say they'd have the servers etc up again at the end of may (31st) ..... ... guess its things like this that highlight just how low SOE/Sony has fallen.. Seriously.. SOE/Sony are a joke now.. i know i wouldnt trust them again.. and i don't actually know anyone who will be returning even if they do manage to get their servers online again at the end of the month..

they think its all over...... it is now

Sovrath · May 2011

Well, I don't know about you guys but when Vanguard does come back online (if indeed it does, not sure why it wouldn't though maybe they will consider shortening it's life span)) I'll be there.

It''s only been a few weeks. I'm sure people don't always be to be plugged into a game.

There are plenty of other things in life to do, one doesn't have to always be playing a game.

Loktofeit · May 2011

Originally posted by ArcheAge

Originally posted by erictlewis

To be honest I think its the end of the line for SOE in general. Games like vanguard, swg, pax nora, pirates of the carabine probably will not come back online.

It is still a guessing game about the two flagship games EQ, and EQ2. We been down 9 days now and keep getting the same expansion, were working on it.

We have to be real, at some point it has to cost more to fix the game than save it. I think we are rapidly getting close to that point for all the pc games at soe.

Now the PSN stuff they have 21 million ps3, psp out in the field so they still have a chance to save face their. however I don't see how they can compensate for the games who already are suffering low populations. If SOE keeps this up for the PC side games there not going to have much of a player base left. Most of the people playing the PC based games are doing it because they truly loved them, however at some point even those folks will realize there just another sub number.

I think its a dark day for all us subscribers.

Lol more nonsense ,seriously i bet you any money that all the games you mention will come back online as soon as this is sorted out.

Belive it or not but players are still playing those games whether you like it or not.

Agreed.

Eric, why do you think they wouldn't bring those games back online, especially when the resources of several games just piggyback off of the extra resources for others? Add to that, the multiple games are added value for Station Pass. And didn't PotBS go F2P? Is there public data indicating the shift isn't proving profitable? "My friend said his guild stopped playing," isn't data, btw.

NightAngell · May 2011

Originally posted by erictlewis

Originally posted by ArcheAge

Originally posted by erictlewis

To be honest I think its the end of the line for SOE in general. Games like vanguard, swg, pax nora, pirates of the carabine probably will not come back online.

It is still a guessing game about the two flagship games EQ, and EQ2. We been down 9 days now and keep getting the same expansion, were working on it.

We have to be real, at some point it has to cost more to fix the game than save it. I think we are rapidly getting close to that point for all the pc games at soe.

Now the PSN stuff they have 21 million ps3, psp out in the field so they still have a chance to save face their. however I don't see how they can compensate for the games who already are suffering low populations. If SOE keeps this up for the PC side games there not going to have much of a player base left. Most of the people playing the PC based games are doing it because they truly loved them, however at some point even those folks will realize there just another sub number.

I think its a dark day for all us subscribers.

Lol more nonsense ,seriously i bet you any money that all the games you mention will come back online as soon as this is sorted out.

Belive it or not but players are still playing those games whether you like it or not.

Just go ahead and think that. I been with soe since SWG and EQ2 rolled out. I can tell you I watched our game populations decline a long time. Right now our guild forums are full of unhappy folks, the longer were down the more folks are going to look at other games, even the die hard defenders are questioning whats really going on.

Lol, and ive been with SOE since EQ1 rolled out under SOE .

You guild does not make up the whole of SOE player base.

Speak for your guild not everyone else.

You are going to look silly once the server come back online lol.

Mardy · May 2011

For a game like Vanguard where it cost them very minimal amount of money to turn "on" and keep running, there's less chance of it shutting down. All they have to do is turn it on, and they make some money off it. No development staff, no extra resources spent. It'd be dumb for them to not turn it back on.

What may hurt as a result are games that have a development team, games that cost them money. Chances are we'll see some more layoffs.

I do predict with the free month + however many days the game is down in May, gamers will flood back into SOE games and take advantage to those free play time. Gamers love free stuff, so I wouldn't look too much into people who are spouting off stream on the forums right now. When servers come back up and they're offered over a couple of months worth of free play time, they'll hop back in no doubt.

Daffid011 · May 2011

Vanguard cost SOE almost nothing to run and SOE owns the game 100%. There are no developers working on it, so it basically just costs bandwidth and electricity. Even with the tiny playerbase, it offers SOE almost pure profit and a filler game to pad the all access station pass.

Shutting the game down right now would only cause SOE negative image to further slide.

This will most likely cause a drop in population, but doubtful any of the SOE games will close down as a result.

The only two that might are SWG and DCU, since those have other parties invovled and there may be contractual uptime obligations or whatever. Still doubtful.

Thorkune · May 2011

Originally posted by erictlewis
the longer were down the more folks are going to look at other games, even the die hard defenders are questioning whats really going on.

This /

The die hards are now trying the games that they always wanted to but were too involved in an SOE game to try. They are probably taking that step to try them out now, and they will probably be there for at least a subscription month now (if it is a P2P game). Now would be the time for SOE to look at their best titles and start designing a F2P version of them.

Decadentia · May 2011

Originally posted by bigsmiff

Originally posted by erictlewis

the longer were down the more folks are going to look at other games, even the die hard defenders are questioning whats really going on.

This /

The die hards are now trying the games that they always wanted to but were too involved in an SOE game to try. They are probably taking that step to try them out now, and they will probably be there for at least a subscription month now (if it is a P2P game). Now would be the time for SOE to look at their best titles and start designing a F2P version of them.

I wouldnt say that with such certainty, personally im playing single player games and a combo of Bad Company 2 (which i always played) and Brink (which is pretty bad in its current state). I've tried most other mmos. Though I would say there is a likelihood that yes Vanguardians are trying other games to an extent.

JohnnyMotrin · May 2011

Anyone can make up their own opinion about the future of SOE, but what I find appalling and not positive for SOE games going forward is that you can't even go to the game's (Vanguard) website at the present time to at least gain info about what the game is about. I clicked on the Vanguard weblink from this site and all you get is this!

I'm waiting to upgrade my rig before trying the free trial, and it would be nice to read up on the races, classes, etc. but I can't as well as anyone else. They didn't even provide a link on the SOE Security page. This does not bode well for SOE going forward no matter what opinions we have for their future.

gauge2k3 · May 2011

Originally posted by Sovrath
Well, I don't know about you guys but when Vanguard does come back online (if indeed it does, not sure why it wouldn't though maybe they will consider shortening it's life span)) I'll be there.

It''s only been a few weeks. I'm sure people don't always be to be plugged into a game.

There are plenty of other things in life to do, one doesn't have to always be playing a game.

{mod edit}

That isn't to say I don't agree with you. I do.

klokwurk · May 2011

As long as there are enough people playing Vanguard to keep paying whatever costs involved I can't imagine why they would shut down the game or any of their games. Also, after promising a free month to subscribers for this situation I can't imagine they would instead close down a game. That would be a terrible PR move. Though personally I would rather see them sell Vanguard to some small developer who might actually do some development.

Germaximus_S · May 2011

I just find it funny and mind boggling that you guys are willing to pay a sub for an unsupported game.

I have a good feeling SoE will recover and do just fine but this really is pretty disastrous for them.

Also they had announced like two weeks ago they wouldnt be up until the end of the month. Personally i wouldnt even expect that to happen. I hope so tho, for them and the players. Its a pretty horrible situation.

klokwurk · May 2011

Originally posted by monstermmo
I just find it funny and mind boggling that you guys are willing to pay a sub for an unsupported game.

I have a good feeling SoE will recover and do just fine but this really is pretty disastrous for them.

Also they had announced like two weeks ago they wouldnt be up until the end of the month. Personally i wouldnt even expect that to happen. I hope so tho, for them and the players. Its a pretty horrible situation.

It does seem like paying a full subscription price when there is no support is a bit ridiculous, but then I have yet to find a game I like as much as Vanguard and I've tried quite a few. There's plenty of content in there for an altoholic casual player like myself so I'll play it till I stop enjoying playing it. I'd much rather see it supported and developed but in the meantime I would rather play it than anything else.

Areanna · May 2011

Originally posted by erictlewis
To be honest I think its the end of the line for SOE in general. Games like vanguard, swg, pax nora, pirates of the carabine probably will not come back online.

It is still a guessing game about the two flagship games EQ, and EQ2. We been down 9 days now and keep getting the same expansion, were working on it.

We have to be real, at some point it has to cost more to fix the game than save it. I think we are rapidly getting close to that point for all the pc games at soe.

Now the PSN stuff they have 21 million ps3, psp out in the field so they still have a chance to save face their. however I don't see how they can compensate for the games who already are suffering low populations. If SOE keeps this up for the PC side games there not going to have much of a player base left. Most of the people playing the PC based games are doing it because they truly loved them, however at some point even those folks will realize there just another sub number.

I think its a dark day for all us subscribers.

This is pure speculation about these games you think won't be coming back when everything is fixed...unless you have some inside source?

I prefer to remain optimistic and if they do happen to go offline oh well, but until they say (vg,swg etc) are closed for good nobody knows what's going to happen.

Sovrath · May 2011

Originally posted by gauge2k3

Originally posted by Sovrath

Well, I don't know about you guys but when Vanguard does come back online (if indeed it does, not sure why it wouldn't though maybe they will consider shortening it's life span)) I'll be there.

It''s only been a few weeks. I'm sure people don't always be to be plugged into a game.

There are plenty of other things in life to do, one doesn't have to always be playing a game.

{mod edit}

That isn't to say I don't agree with you. I do.

well I suppose that depends on what you mean by "politically correct".

the thing is, I DO post exactly what I mean. However, I am a huge belliever in respecting my host (in this case mmorpg.com) and of course the people at the party (basically all of the members on this site).

And honestly, take it for what you will, my upbringing stresses a certain level of maturity. And I've lived a bit so I'm not some raw emotional individual with an axe to grind looking for a forum to let my ID explode.

Of course I can go on for hours on how we all are not mature (myself included). And I'd love to be a politician but I'm way too honest and actually believe in public service as opposed to furthering some "career and agenda".

but I'm here for discussion and the rules of the game are that we respect each other. So as long as my patience and "will" hold out, I'm going to respect you all. So help me...

thebigchin11 · May 2011

If a game has received no attention for months on end, you have to assume it is moribund.

Worstluck · May 2011

Originally posted by thebigchin11
If a game has received no attention for months on end, you have to assume it is moribund.

Thank you for making me google moribund

I see no reason why SOE will close those games down, including Vanguard. Like someone said, several of their games already recieve relatively minimal resources and just piggyback off of more successful games. The money making games aren't being closed down so why would they close down the games that don't cost them much to run. SOE probably spends little to maintain several games at the moment (been that for way forever with VG).

Guys....It's SOE. They have an uncanny ability to keep dead games going past their expiration date.

thebigchin11 · May 2011

Sorry, not being pretentious, it is a quote from Alan Partridge- Knowing Me Knowing You. 'I read a review that my show was moribund, so I looked it up in the Oxford English Dictionary and...'

Worstluck · May 2011

Originally posted by thebigchin11
Sorry, not being pretentious, it is a quote from Alan Partridge- Knowing Me Knowing You. 'I read a review that my show was moribund, so I looked it up in the Oxford English Dictionary and...'

Haha no, I was serious. It was a cool word!

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