It will be nice to just have one day of my life that doesn't see anything revolving about topics of doomsday.
It will be nice to log onto the forums and not see a pessimistic thread about some company GOING to destroy a game, give them a chance, maybe this time they will get it right, it won't kill you, hell it won't even affect you if you just don't play the game.
Just ask yourself, what have you achieve in posting this thread, other than insinuating pointless hatred against EA? or Bioware? or Lucasart?
Call me a EA fanboi or whatever, if I had to chose to listen to fanbois hyping their own game, or doomsayers saying the end is near every second day, I rather be a fanboy.
This I 100% agree with. I'd much rather listen to a happy person being excited about a game then someone who just moans and groans about every little thing.
I give every company a chance (well maybe not so much to SoE after losing my data but thats a different reason all together). EAs games like the sims gave me enjoyment. Heck i get one life i'm going to fill it with as much fun as i can physically find. Not sure why others want to just be mean or cause trouble for others *boogles my mind*
Anyway. I'm off to update the full feature list with all the new stuff and then off to play a game to have fun
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I agree, EA has spotty reputation throughout its history. Though, I beleive it treats the studio's under its umbrella differently. Dragon Age was published by EA and I thought it was pretty well made. DLC for single player game aside, I highly doubt they will have a store for items (yet)
Store items are introduced when an MMO isn't making a large profit based on subs or box sales alone.
Blizzard sells only a few things through their online store and i think if SW:TOR does well enough, it will be similar and have almost no affect on regular gameplay.
EA is trying to take over the World, MMOs, and casual games are their biggest problem right now. They wont screw this up, they will do everything they can to make sure it succeeds.
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maybe i'm just on the outside looking in buy you guys are never satisfied. indie developers with minimal funds try to creat a game gamers would like, but fail miserably due to inexperience and costs and you COMPLAIN. LArge corporations throw hundreds of millions of dollars of investment behind and ip that appeals to millions of people and you COMPLAIN even tho the game looks amazing and early feedback is hugely popular. SO what exactly is it you damn people want now? the carrot the stick or the whole damn watermelon? I am seriously at a loss with you people.
EA is trying to take over the World, MMOs, and casual games are their biggest problem right now. They wont screw this up, they will do everything they can to make sure it succeeds.
They will t least try, that Activision is raking in all the money buggs them.
Still, there is always the chance that they miss this up. Tor will probably do fine but I doubt it will be the next Wow anyways.
The name EA which lurks deep in the shadows behind TOR and its development...
Your name is Fearless yet you have fear... fear is a dangerous path , leads to the dark side it does... be calm my Padawan. Have faith in the Force for it will prevail
Sorry, but I see Activision and EA on the same level of 'corporate greed', you only have to hear Bobby Kotick talk or the story about the Infinity Ward split or the ruination of series like Guitar Hero and Tony Hawk with yearly copycat sequels (which MW tends to go the same way with the yearly sequels). Or the increased addition of paid services and items on top of WoW's sub. So no, I don't see EA as particularly 'evil' compared to other major game corporations.
As for BF3, it generated a great buzz on the E3 and I admit, it looked pretty good. Care to elaborate what's happening around BF3 that is so evil?
EA announced today that The Physical Warfare Pack (which will be available world-wide) will arm eager soldiers with the Type 88 Light Machine Gun, described as having “superior firepower;” a flash suppressor for the SKS sniper rifle that “reduces enemy awareness of your position” and is “the essential weapon mod for teamplay Recons at the front;” and armor-penetrating flechette shotgun ammo. All of these items will be 100 percent exclusive to the PWP.
Same thing happened with Bad Company 2. Since then I've spent exacly $0.00 US on anything produced by EA.
Little forum boys with their polished cyber toys: whine whine, boo-hoo, talk talk.
Sorry, but I see Activision and EA on the same level of 'corporate greed', you only have to hear Bobby Kotick talk or the story about the Infinity Ward split or the ruination of series like Guitar Hero and Tony Hawk with yearly copycat sequels (which MW tends to go the same way with the yearly sequels). Or the increased addition of paid services and items on top of WoW's sub. So no, I don't see EA as particularly 'evil' compared to other major game corporations.
As for BF3, it generated a great buzz on the E3 and I admit, it looked pretty good. Care to elaborate what's happening around BF3 that is so evil?
EA announced today that The Physical Warfare Pack (which will be available world-wide) will arm eager soldiers with the Type 88 Light Machine Gun, described as having “superior firepower;” a flash suppressor for the SKS sniper rifle that “reduces enemy awareness of your position” and is “the essential weapon mod for teamplay Recons at the front;” and armor-penetrating flechette shotgun ammo. All of these items will be 100 percent exclusive to the PWP.
Same thing happened with Bad Company 2. Since then I've spent exacly $0.00 US on anything produced by EA.
The guns that came with Bad Company 2 were easily unlockable in the game. These guns cannot be acquired by any other means.
maybe i'm just on the outside looking in buy you guys are never satisfied. indie developers with minimal funds try to creat a game gamers would like, but fail miserably due to inexperience and costs and you COMPLAIN. LArge corporations throw hundreds of millions of dollars of investment behind and ip that appeals to millions of people and you COMPLAIN even tho the game looks amazing and early feedback is hugely popular. SO what exactly is it you damn people want now? the carrot the stick or the whole damn watermelon? I am seriously at a loss with you people.
I do actually miss all the medium sized indepenant companies that used to make games 10 years back and earlier. I have seen a dump in quality for the companies that have been bought up by EA and Activision.
Take Bioware. The best games they have made was BG 1 & 2, NWN and KOTOR. I just might be me but I am neither that impressed by DA or ME. Not bad games but not in the class with the older ones either. The fault for that might not be EA but it happens with most companies that gets bought up.
The worst thing is all crappy sequels, particularly to sports game. That is typical EA sports crap.
I for one wish there was more compnies in between totally inexperienced indie company with no money and owned by a huge corporation, it wasn't that long ago that most gaming companies owned themselves.
But what annoys me most with EA is that I remember when they themselves did great and innovative games for C-64 and Amiga. That was a long time ago.
All this does not mean I wont try TOR, as a MMO fan it seems like a must to at least have tried it. If the game is good I will play it no matter who owns it.
Originally posted by Fearlessbro The name EA which lurks deep in the shadows behind TOR and its development, I'm sorry to say it, but EA will destroy this game and any potential it had to begin with. <stuff.Buy GW2, or wait for Titan, this game will be destroyed before it even begins by the corporate big wigs behind the scenes who do things behind Bioware.
The only way I'd take your advice about three games that haven't even come out yet (and some that won't come out until next year) is if you are in each of their betas.
Unfortunately based on what you wrote, it's clear you aren't in ANY of these games betas or else you would have given us GAMING facts as to why we shouldn't buy this game.
Instead it's just an opinion of yours that people shouldn't buy the game because something bad is happening to Battlefield 3. I don't play or plan to play B3 so I really don't care about what's happening in a console FPS game, sorry.
When you have a better reason someone shouldn't play SWTOR other than 'Deez guyz r da debil, I tell youz all!!!", I'll be happy to listen.
But I've had enough of this ridiculous evil company posts.
If you want to play that game, I'd counter Bioware is one of the top 3 companies in the gaming business, they've had PLENTY of money to make two mmos, and so far what I've seen/heard looks pretty darn good and enough to make me quit RIFT for now. (saving that cash!)
If I was worried about "corporate greed" ruining a game constantly and allowed that fear to dictate whether or not I bought and/or played a game, I would never play a single game ever except maybe some indy games. I cannot think of one larger publisher that I think wouldn't sell their moms kidney if they thought it would sell more units. What I do is, see how a game is on launch, and if I enjoy it and like the direction the design is going I will continue to play it. If at any point that fails to be the case I simply stop playing the game. Granted, I have a deep, abiding hatred for corporate greed, and EA in particular, and I really haven't bought any EA games since the early 2000's (not saying that I haven't played any though), I'm not going to let that stop me from enjoying things I might find enjoyable... including playing SW:TOR.
------------------------- "Searchers after horror haunt strange, far places..." ~ H.P.Lovecraft, "From Beyond"
Sorry, but I see Activision and EA on the same level of 'corporate greed', you only have to hear Bobby Kotick talk or the story about the Infinity Ward split or the ruination of series like Guitar Hero and Tony Hawk with yearly copycat sequels (which MW tends to go the same way with the yearly sequels). Or the increased addition of paid services and items on top of WoW's sub. So no, I don't see EA as particularly 'evil' compared to other major game corporations.
As for BF3, it generated a great buzz on the E3 and I admit, it looked pretty good. Care to elaborate what's happening around BF3 that is so evil?
EA announced today that The Physical Warfare Pack (which will be available world-wide) will arm eager soldiers with the Type 88 Light Machine Gun, described as having “superior firepower;” a flash suppressor for the SKS sniper rifle that “reduces enemy awareness of your position” and is “the essential weapon mod for teamplay Recons at the front;” and armor-penetrating flechette shotgun ammo. All of these items will be 100 percent exclusive to the PWP.
Same thing happened with Bad Company 2. Since then I've spent exacly $0.00 US on anything produced by EA.
The guns that came with Bad Company 2 were easily unlockable in the game. These guns cannot be acquired by any other means.
Right, but the DLC map packs were not.
I long for the days of community made content.
Little forum boys with their polished cyber toys: whine whine, boo-hoo, talk talk.
I do actually miss all the medium sized indepenant companies that used to make games 10 years back and earlier. I have seen a dump in quality for the companies that have been bought up by EA and Activision.
Take Bioware. The best games they have made was BG 1 & 2, NWN and KOTOR. I just might be me but I am neither that impressed by DA or ME. Not bad games but not in the class with the older ones either. The fault for that might not be EA but it happens with most companies that gets bought up.
The worst thing is all crappy sequels, particularly to sports game. That is typical EA sports crap.
Eh, Activision is actually doing the same, and yes, I think it's to be frowned upon, although it seems that EA has learnt at least a few lessons in the past to improve some things.
I disagree with your BW game list, personally I find the ME series better than all other BW games except for the BG series. NWN had impressive, no, actually the most awesome toolset I've seen and I wish BW would make a sequel to that toolset, but the game itself was ok, not special. ME and ME2, I found those special, but I see those 2 games for what they are, action RPG's and not traditional RPG's, I have no preference, both types of RPG's are good enough to me.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
It's in EA best interest to not kill this game. Despite what people think, EA is not the devil. Yes they are a corporation that wants to make money (what business doesn't? Non-profit organizations aside) but doesn't that mean that they would want this game to be the best it can be? They have a lot of investment put into the game, in order to get a positive ROI they need for it to be a good game. Gamers aren't going to buy a crap game (opinions aside).
Sorry, but I see Activision and EA on the same level of 'corporate greed', you only have to hear Bobby Kotick talk or the story about the Infinity Ward split or the ruination of series like Guitar Hero and Tony Hawk with yearly copycat sequels (which MW tends to go the same way with the yearly sequels). Or the increased addition of paid services and items on top of WoW's sub. So no, I don't see EA as particularly 'evil' compared to other major game corporations.
As for BF3, it generated a great buzz on the E3 and I admit, it looked pretty good. Care to elaborate what's happening around BF3 that is so evil?
EA announced today that The Physical Warfare Pack (which will be available world-wide) will arm eager soldiers with the Type 88 Light Machine Gun, described as having “superior firepower;” a flash suppressor for the SKS sniper rifle that “reduces enemy awareness of your position” and is “the essential weapon mod for teamplay Recons at the front;” and armor-penetrating flechette shotgun ammo. All of these items will be 100 percent exclusive to the PWP.
Same thing happened with Bad Company 2. Since then I've spent exacly $0.00 US on anything produced by EA.
The guns that came with Bad Company 2 were easily unlockable in the game. These guns cannot be acquired by any other means.
Right, but the DLC map packs were not.
I long for the days of community made content.
Go play City of Heroes and see exactly how bad that "community made content" really is. I avoid it like the plague, which might actually be more fun to deal with.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
It's in EA best interest to not kill this game. Despite what people think, EA is not the devil. Yes they are a corporation that wants to make money (what business doesn't? Non-profit organizations aside) but doesn't that mean that they would want this game to be the best it can be? They have a lot of investment put into the game, in order to get a positive ROI they need for it to be a good game. Gamers aren't going to buy a crap game (opinions aside).
The way you present this sounds good and all but you're ignoring some of the fundementals of business. To make sure you have a possitive ROI you have to cut costs where you can and put money in most cost effective areas. When developers are small companies a lot of them are more concerned with making the best game as possible while still staying afloat and profits become a secondary thought.
With companies like EA/activision profit is king so if EA feels that advertising, trailers, and gorgeous cutscenes will garner more profit per dollar then spending time and money on the small things that make a game great they will not hesitate to do it. While you are correct that making a quality game is good business, they want to make the game as best they can with as little money invested as possible and that's where there is the disconnect from small companies to large ones.
Also EA has made millions upon millions of dollars making crap games just by buying up franchises and IPs(think sports). They have realized that this is where the real money is and I'm sure they are laying their bets down on the Star Wars name as well as the Bioware name. Hopefully Bioware has enough say so we can have a good quality gameplay experience but don't delued yourself and others in thinking that quality is more important than profits to EA.
The name EA which lurks deep in the shadows behind TOR and its development, I'm sorry to say it, but EA will destroy this game and any potential it had to begin with. They will knickle and dime you for every penny they can get. I can see it now, preorder for exclusive weapons, and other things that are part of or needed for core gameplay. It would not suprise me in the slightest if you have to pre order a limited edition to use 4 bags slots instead of 2, or having a unique questline that rewards a powerful item as DLC in a MMO.
Look at what is going on with Battlefield 3, corporate greed has destroyed their image in the FPS genre, mass amounts of people refusing to buy it, including the great Totalbuiscuit, who thinks it is a joke, and is part of the boycott. What makes you guys think EA won't make this MMO game worse? If they can charge you to teleport to an inn, they will find a way. EA has really never had a MMO game in their library of games, and when this game hits the shelves, or their online stone because they refuse to sell it to you on steam, they will find any way necessary to charge you for every little thing.
Buy GW2, or wait for Titan, this game will be destroyed before it even begins by the corporate big wigs behind the scenes who do things behind Bioware.
My lord.. .I really don't put this much though into it. I don't have time to..lol. I watch videos of the game, read about the game and then make a decision on whether or not I want to try it. Then I either try it and like it or try it and quit. Either way, I don't think it's really fair to make these kind of assumptions. I'm currently playing Eq2 from Sony... the same company who destroyed SWG for me and ruined my life back in the day..lol. I happen to love what they're doing with eq2 and I'm having a good time. That's really all I care about. If I'm having fun, I'll pay, if not, I'll quit.
All in all, I think you need to give a game a chance and not just shit on it without playing. That's just tom foolery.
I have strongly disliked EA since Westwood Studios' fall under them. This is only heightened by my being an EnB refugee. I won't lie, when I saw the EA logo in a TOR video, I groaned. I don't think EA alone will kill this game, but it makes life more difficult for sure.
People really have two choices here. Play the game, or don't play the game. EA has their hands everywhere when it comes to gaming. You can get over that or you can complain about it, but at the end of the day, the games that come out with EAs name attached somewhere on the game are plentiful and many of them are absolutely fantastic.
the NFS series, Battlefield, the Sims, some Burnout titles, the Mass Effect series, and how about games like Kingdoms of Amalur which looks to be awesome... yeah all have EA attached to them.
What about EAs partner program? Co publishing Bulletstorm, Crysis, TSW, L4D (retail).
Of course this is just a snapshot, but if I didn't buy anything from EA, I wouldn't be playing much of anything that is actually worth playing. Just sayin.
I don't know about others here but I don't hate EA. I just think that profits are more important to them than quality. Luckily for us you have to have some quality in order to have profits. Yet I don't think they would spend extra money or time to make a game better if it wasn't going to garner them a larger ROI. Smaller companies are willing to do those things and have while the larger companes typically aren't willing to do that. Maybe that's why they've been able to become so large and profitable. Even so, to blindly hate SOE, EA or any large company is kind of silly but to ignore the fact that they care about profits and their shareholders pockets more then producing a quality game is also kind of silly.
Edit: Only time will tell whether this game will be good or not. And I can pretty much gurantee that it will be good for some people while others will hate virtually everything about it. Oh and people are just speculating that isn't the same thing as assuming.
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This I 100% agree with. I'd much rather listen to a happy person being excited about a game then someone who just moans and groans about every little thing.
I give every company a chance (well maybe not so much to SoE after losing my data but thats a different reason all together). EAs games like the sims gave me enjoyment. Heck i get one life i'm going to fill it with as much fun as i can physically find. Not sure why others want to just be mean or cause trouble for others *boogles my mind*
Anyway. I'm off to update the full feature list with all the new stuff and then off to play a game to have fun
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I agree, EA has spotty reputation throughout its history. Though, I beleive it treats the studio's under its umbrella differently. Dragon Age was published by EA and I thought it was pretty well made. DLC for single player game aside, I highly doubt they will have a store for items (yet)
Store items are introduced when an MMO isn't making a large profit based on subs or box sales alone.
Blizzard sells only a few things through their online store and i think if SW:TOR does well enough, it will be similar and have almost no affect on regular gameplay.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
EA is trying to take over the World, MMOs, and casual games are their biggest problem right now. They wont screw this up, they will do everything they can to make sure it succeeds.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
maybe i'm just on the outside looking in buy you guys are never satisfied. indie developers with minimal funds try to creat a game gamers would like, but fail miserably due to inexperience and costs and you COMPLAIN. LArge corporations throw hundreds of millions of dollars of investment behind and ip that appeals to millions of people and you COMPLAIN even tho the game looks amazing and early feedback is hugely popular. SO what exactly is it you damn people want now? the carrot the stick or the whole damn watermelon? I am seriously at a loss with you people.
so say we all
They will t least try, that Activision is raking in all the money buggs them.
Still, there is always the chance that they miss this up. Tor will probably do fine but I doubt it will be the next Wow anyways.
Your name is Fearless yet you have fear... fear is a dangerous path , leads to the dark side it does... be calm my Padawan. Have faith in the Force for it will prevail
Same thing happened with Bad Company 2. Since then I've spent exacly $0.00 US on anything produced by EA.
Little forum boys with their polished cyber toys: whine whine, boo-hoo, talk talk.
The guns that came with Bad Company 2 were easily unlockable in the game. These guns cannot be acquired by any other means.
I do actually miss all the medium sized indepenant companies that used to make games 10 years back and earlier. I have seen a dump in quality for the companies that have been bought up by EA and Activision.
Take Bioware. The best games they have made was BG 1 & 2, NWN and KOTOR. I just might be me but I am neither that impressed by DA or ME. Not bad games but not in the class with the older ones either. The fault for that might not be EA but it happens with most companies that gets bought up.
The worst thing is all crappy sequels, particularly to sports game. That is typical EA sports crap.
I for one wish there was more compnies in between totally inexperienced indie company with no money and owned by a huge corporation, it wasn't that long ago that most gaming companies owned themselves.
But what annoys me most with EA is that I remember when they themselves did great and innovative games for C-64 and Amiga. That was a long time ago.
All this does not mean I wont try TOR, as a MMO fan it seems like a must to at least have tried it. If the game is good I will play it no matter who owns it.
I actually enjoyed the ME and DA games and am willing to give ToR a chance. DLC for single player games is a nonissue to me it is optional.
Unfortunately based on what you wrote, it's clear you aren't in ANY of these games betas or else you would have given us GAMING facts as to why we shouldn't buy this game.
Instead it's just an opinion of yours that people shouldn't buy the game because something bad is happening to Battlefield 3. I don't play or plan to play B3 so I really don't care about what's happening in a console FPS game, sorry.
When you have a better reason someone shouldn't play SWTOR other than 'Deez guyz r da debil, I tell youz all!!!", I'll be happy to listen.
But I've had enough of this ridiculous evil company posts.
If you want to play that game, I'd counter Bioware is one of the top 3 companies in the gaming business, they've had PLENTY of money to make two mmos, and so far what I've seen/heard looks pretty darn good and enough to make me quit RIFT for now. (saving that cash!)
"TO MICHAEL!"
If I was worried about "corporate greed" ruining a game constantly and allowed that fear to dictate whether or not I bought and/or played a game, I would never play a single game ever except maybe some indy games. I cannot think of one larger publisher that I think wouldn't sell their moms kidney if they thought it would sell more units. What I do is, see how a game is on launch, and if I enjoy it and like the direction the design is going I will continue to play it. If at any point that fails to be the case I simply stop playing the game. Granted, I have a deep, abiding hatred for corporate greed, and EA in particular, and I really haven't bought any EA games since the early 2000's (not saying that I haven't played any though), I'm not going to let that stop me from enjoying things I might find enjoyable... including playing SW:TOR.
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Right, but the DLC map packs were not.
I long for the days of community made content.
Little forum boys with their polished cyber toys: whine whine, boo-hoo, talk talk.
Eh, Activision is actually doing the same, and yes, I think it's to be frowned upon, although it seems that EA has learnt at least a few lessons in the past to improve some things.
I disagree with your BW game list, personally I find the ME series better than all other BW games except for the BG series. NWN had impressive, no, actually the most awesome toolset I've seen and I wish BW would make a sequel to that toolset, but the game itself was ok, not special. ME and ME2, I found those special, but I see those 2 games for what they are, action RPG's and not traditional RPG's, I have no preference, both types of RPG's are good enough to me.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
and they will kill secret world..
It's in EA best interest to not kill this game. Despite what people think, EA is not the devil. Yes they are a corporation that wants to make money (what business doesn't? Non-profit organizations aside) but doesn't that mean that they would want this game to be the best it can be? They have a lot of investment put into the game, in order to get a positive ROI they need for it to be a good game. Gamers aren't going to buy a crap game (opinions aside).
Go play City of Heroes and see exactly how bad that "community made content" really is. I avoid it like the plague, which might actually be more fun to deal with.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
The way you present this sounds good and all but you're ignoring some of the fundementals of business. To make sure you have a possitive ROI you have to cut costs where you can and put money in most cost effective areas. When developers are small companies a lot of them are more concerned with making the best game as possible while still staying afloat and profits become a secondary thought.
With companies like EA/activision profit is king so if EA feels that advertising, trailers, and gorgeous cutscenes will garner more profit per dollar then spending time and money on the small things that make a game great they will not hesitate to do it. While you are correct that making a quality game is good business, they want to make the game as best they can with as little money invested as possible and that's where there is the disconnect from small companies to large ones.
Also EA has made millions upon millions of dollars making crap games just by buying up franchises and IPs(think sports). They have realized that this is where the real money is and I'm sure they are laying their bets down on the Star Wars name as well as the Bioware name. Hopefully Bioware has enough say so we can have a good quality gameplay experience but don't delued yourself and others in thinking that quality is more important than profits to EA.
I think in a years time we will say EA = SOE.
My lord.. .I really don't put this much though into it. I don't have time to..lol. I watch videos of the game, read about the game and then make a decision on whether or not I want to try it. Then I either try it and like it or try it and quit. Either way, I don't think it's really fair to make these kind of assumptions. I'm currently playing Eq2 from Sony... the same company who destroyed SWG for me and ruined my life back in the day..lol. I happen to love what they're doing with eq2 and I'm having a good time. That's really all I care about. If I'm having fun, I'll pay, if not, I'll quit.
All in all, I think you need to give a game a chance and not just shit on it without playing. That's just tom foolery.
I have strongly disliked EA since Westwood Studios' fall under them. This is only heightened by my being an EnB refugee. I won't lie, when I saw the EA logo in a TOR video, I groaned. I don't think EA alone will kill this game, but it makes life more difficult for sure.
Its popular to be angsty against large things , be that a certain Mmo , or game developing companies ( SoE , EA ).
You're not cool on the mmorpg.com forums unless you hate one of three things.
1. WoW
2. SoE
3. EA
I will be pre-ordering BF3 for those weapons, unless they change the plans .. I will enjoy my purchased "advantage".
People really have two choices here. Play the game, or don't play the game. EA has their hands everywhere when it comes to gaming. You can get over that or you can complain about it, but at the end of the day, the games that come out with EAs name attached somewhere on the game are plentiful and many of them are absolutely fantastic.
the NFS series, Battlefield, the Sims, some Burnout titles, the Mass Effect series, and how about games like Kingdoms of Amalur which looks to be awesome... yeah all have EA attached to them.
What about EAs partner program? Co publishing Bulletstorm, Crysis, TSW, L4D (retail).
Of course this is just a snapshot, but if I didn't buy anything from EA, I wouldn't be playing much of anything that is actually worth playing. Just sayin.
I don't know about others here but I don't hate EA. I just think that profits are more important to them than quality. Luckily for us you have to have some quality in order to have profits. Yet I don't think they would spend extra money or time to make a game better if it wasn't going to garner them a larger ROI. Smaller companies are willing to do those things and have while the larger companes typically aren't willing to do that. Maybe that's why they've been able to become so large and profitable. Even so, to blindly hate SOE, EA or any large company is kind of silly but to ignore the fact that they care about profits and their shareholders pockets more then producing a quality game is also kind of silly.
Edit: Only time will tell whether this game will be good or not. And I can pretty much gurantee that it will be good for some people while others will hate virtually everything about it. Oh and people are just speculating that isn't the same thing as assuming.
OP i couldnt care less about your conspiracy theories concerning TOR. but youre naive t if you think people will boycott BF3 cuz it's published by EA.