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What a bunch of sheep you are...
Faxxer
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in EVE Online
This letter is NOT verified, yet you all pounce over what... a monocle?
here's a little idea....if you don't like the price...don't buy it!
all this talk of "NGE" as if ccp has somehow betrayed you personally is a laughable joke ....ON YOU.
you people need to stop lemming knee jerking and question the source of the letter rather than accept anything you read as gospel.
name ONE single company that has listened to it's playerbase MORE than ccp?...... *crickets* that's what i thought.
now get back to playing your game without the monocle, i bet your toon can pew pew just as good without it.
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Oh the irony. Talk about a knee-jerk reaction. Its not about the monocle.
what then? the unverified possibly fake letter?
It's mainly about people taking Fearless as a definite source for CCP's future plans, the fact that CCP won't straight-up say, "We won't introduce Microtransaction items that directly affect the game", a loss of trust in CCP in general, and the ever-present Slippery Slope fear that's associated with Microtransactions in any game: they start with vanity items, then minor gameplay affected items, then major gameplay affecting items, then "Pay-to-Win."
It's all been done a dozen times before, except this is the first time it's been done in a sandbox. Thus the initial rage.
As usual Faxxer you've missed the point entirely. Nobody gives a rats ass about a monocle.
Bren
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If you don't know then you too are a knee-jerk responding sheep.
What's it all about then? An internal letter leaked that has been explained as a hypothetical rather than a reality?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
that's the big rage? That they have a microtransaction? really?
and this monocle certainly doesn't affect my game....NOR WILL IT.
Read my post?
BREN!
A FAKE LETTER? is THAT THE POINT?
i think YOU missed the point.
Quote:
"None of CSM's concerns -- the ones the players were asking about -- were addressed; in particular:
* Will non-vanity virtual goods be introduced?"
I'd say that's the biggie.
The email that just got dumped. Said to be from the same source as the other thing. Could explain the silence.
The most damning of them all I think is the big giant 'STAY THE COURSE!' vibe from the email.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
No an already confirmed factual leaked newsletter. This was confirmed by a CCP Pann on the official forums as authentic. That and the seriously game changing effects that ships/fittings/implants being sold for Aur could have on the economy. You're a little late to the party if you don't know this already.
Also there are currently thousands of players protesting in all of the major trade hubs in game. I've seen Amarr personally... 1400 players there when I was logged in. Jita is capped right now and every jump point in has thousands of more players waiting to get in. If you don't think this is something majorly game changing you're a fool. This IS EVE's NGE.
Bren
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I think you should head over to the official forums if you're unsure/looking for more info.
The letter isn't fake. Verified by one of the devs.
/thread?
....No, I don't expect you to take my word for it, so here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065&page=5#126
You will have to scroll down a few posts, CCP Pann is what you're looking for.
And, once again, it isn't about the monocle.
Who really cares? They've had RMT for years. You can buy game time and sell it for ISK, thus being able to purchase whatever you want in game.
Seriously, I will not call DOOM but this is a serious arterial strike to the jugular of EvE. Allowing players to buy modules, implants, and FACTION? Their reasoning is that faction is just something you spend time getting and why not allow players to pay for that time. Well guess what, so are skill points. Are we going to see people having the ability to simply pay cash for a million SP to distribute as they like? This evidently is not a case of one captain asleep at the wheel. This is a case of an entire crew actively pointing out the largest iceburg in site and screaming "RAMMING SPEED!"
I was writing mine when you posted it. I read it after I posted
Bren
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I'm no EvE player. But. lets see here...
Cryptic
Level 5
ArenaNet
Theres prolly a few more I don't know about because I dont play their games, like I didn't know about EvE's company because I don't play it. What YOU know isn't all there IS to know.
ok...going to take a nap.
i'll come back clearer headed.
and then i'll rant and rave about a new topic
I'm sceptic about this statement. After all, itemshops and micro transactions have been introduced in other MMO's as well and you didn't see all those turn into pay-2-win games even after years. Best example GW, where the things you could buy didn't affect gameplay into a pay-to-win scenario, even after 5 years or so. Same for a number of those other MMO's that introduced micro transactions (like WoW, or LotrO or AoC or EQ2 etc)
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
ok i've had time to cool down.
first off, I apologize for those that I insulted. (eats humble pie out in public)
I can see how that letter, although meant to be internal jibber jabber, would offend some....BUT...
they're talking about raw internals, not stuff that's shaken and pressed down for public consumption....The letter is at the very best an initial thought, more than formed policy....in fact it even says that they're watching what WE PLAYERS DO about the new microtransactions...
is that REALLY the breach of trust to you guys?
you're comparing this to SOE is so far off base i can't fathom why any would make it...really, i lived in the thick of that one.
that all being said....let's give ccp another day to do the PR and damage control.....we give it to everyone else....(i'm thinking of the current president in office)
that being said....i'm still happily playing EVE. it's not like they killed off crafting or nerfed our drakes.
THAT would be more like the NGE.
CCP, much like SOE during the NGE, is suffering from a lack of trust from the playerbase.
Neural remapping was CCP's first bright idea on how to squeeze more money out of their players. When it was pointed out that it would unbalance gameplay they announced that the item shop would be for vanity items only, but can CCP be trusted to keep their store to strictly vanity items?
After assuring the playerbase that the item shop was going to be for vanity items only they announce that they were going to sell a red battleship without trading regular battleship for it (that would come at some undetermined later date sometime in the future...)
After assuring us that the item shop was for vanity items only we get a leaked document telling us that CCP is considering selling us convenience in the item shop. If the item shop is going to be for vanity items only why is CCP bothering to discuss things that are never going to be implemented? The answer is simply that it's not off the table even tho they're telling us it is.
Trust in what CCP says is broken right now.
nm
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Yup, and a SUB BASED sandbox at that.
As they already get money from all players, they chose to fine-tune their cash-shop for those who are able (and willing) to really spend massively on ingame pixel stuff.
That's very different from the average FTP cash-shop model were they go for a great many token purchases from a much wider audience.
My brand new bloggity blog.
Well there is one major difference between EVE and all of those games you mentioned. In EVE the economy is much more than just a simple AH like it is in those other games. In EVE the economy is the backbone the game play mechanics are built on. Almost every other aspect of the game is tied to it either directly or indirectly. What affects the economy in EVE has a trickle down effect to almost every other aspect of gameplay. If they stick to just vanity items this will be a non-issue but they wont commit to that and that is what has people so mad. If the economy in EVE tanks because they start straight up selling ships/fittings/implants/faction in the NeX the entire 'EVE experience' will suffer for almost everyone.
It's not that they are selling p2w items... It's that it has been proven that they have been discussing it internally and CCP wont rule out the possibility with a simple, "No, we wont do that".
Bren
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Going to lock the thread. The title is pretty much bait at this point, and the topic is being discussed elsewhere on the forum.
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