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What is happening now with EVE, is it comparable to NGE?
Distopia
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I have seen this said many times today. "This is EVE's NGE", really? I mean really? My reply to such a post in EVE's forum will most likely be drowned in all the flames. I just want to ask what others think who also went through the NGE.
My thought:
The scenarios are not even remotely the same, in SWG's case we had a game that was horribly broken in many aspects, which were never tended to. Then they blame a lack of success on the sandbox formula used in it's creation. Not the parts they would never fix or improve on. They then gut the entirety of what made the game special and then offered up a horribly broken skeleton of what it once was.
What's all the outrage about with Eve? Conjecture, cosmetic RMT and inner corporate practices we have very few facts on the workings of or culture within.
I look at SWG as the case of child neglect.
I look at EVE as the kid who was given too much for too long, who now doesn't know how to accept the word no.
What say you, and no I'm not only seeking the opinions of those who agree with me.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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I'd say it is EVE's CU. It won't have the breif population bubp the CU had, but the playerbase of EVE, and especially the leaders of the larger player corpse seem to be pissed off enough that it'll probably result in the subscription bleedin the CU caused. The NGE is just used because it is the biggest blunder in MMO history and is the standard thing to point to when people don't like something that is happening to their MMO, much like Waterloo, the Hindenberg,Titanic etc., are used to point to blunders in other aspect of life.
Good point, I've said many times CU did the most damage, NGE just took care of those who were left. CU is what pissed me off the most for sure, by NGE I no longer gave a ^&&*.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The NGE did more damage, as far as revenue is concerned. With the CU, it would have taken several months before the population reached the levels the NGE instantly caused. That means it was possible that the CU decline could have been stopped before it reached the NGE level. Even with the CU decline, they still thought the game had enough life left to do the ToOW expansion, and had the Galactic Civil War based one in production. The implosion caused by the NGE killed the second GCW expansion, and the game never recovered to the point where another one was in production. The Restuss event and Gunships were the things that were almost finished as part of the cancelled GCW expansion, which is why they were implemented in the game when the devs thought content would bring new players in.
The CU was bad, but it is nowhere near the level of bad the NGE was.
True again, I was just referring to my own experience really and what i saw (guid being destroyed) for the most part. For most of us it seemed CU did the most damage, the PVP community was never the same on bloodfin.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I have only seen a couple of people compare what CCP is doing with EVE to what SOE did. What I have seen alot of is that the reaction is similar. I had started SWG a week before the NGE so I missed the CU, but as I was new I read the forums alot, and I will say the feedback and forum rage seem similar. Please bear in mind that I'm not saying that what CCP is doing is in any way comparable to what Sony did, I'm just saying that the player reaction is similar. Though it does seem that the forum posters on EVE are less civil than I remember the SWG forum even after the NGE, though that could have been do to different moderation levels.
Edit: I just realized that I have never posted this much in a single day, and I don't even play the game. I have though always followed the forums both here and on the EVE forums because I find the game interesting, and have just never had the time for it.
Oh man! I just caught up on the EVE thing and...wow.
Is it a CU or an NGE? Difficult to say. Most of the controversy seems to be about the new stuff that they're putting on top of the game, not the stuff that's already there (except for some interface complaints). It does, however, kind of 'corrupt' EVE from a design standpoint.
I saw a time, back when we were debating the whole 'game cards for ISK' thing that it could eventually result in a situation where the game would suffer financially, as there would be so many stockpiled cards out there that demands would outstrip revenue.
They came up with PLEX, which alleviates some of the problem, but I can't help but think there is a revenue shortfall. They need to, somehow, get those PLEX cards out of circulation. Too bad they couldn't think of that before, back when we were all screaming that game cards for ISK is not a revenue generator as much as it is a long term liability.
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--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I don't think so. NGE felt like Sony deleted my characters and gave me another game to play.
EVE's NGE would be CCP deciding to get rid of the entire skill tree system and replace the different ship types with classes and levels. Each ship would basically fill a specific role to help "direct the player experience".
This is far from it. I wouldn't even call it a CU. At the moment, it's just CCP trying to get more money out of the game. Some think it sucks - while others don't mind as long as it's vanity. Either way, I don't think it will ever affect my gameplay experience as I can always buy PLEX with in game currency with ease.
I haven't heard anyone yet calling it a comparison to NGE. What it is is a slap in the playerbases face.
I was going to explain it but if you play EvE and are capable of reading go look it up and educate yourselves.
Nobody gives a shit about the store and its items or prices. that is irrelavant, but it is what CCP is talking about trying to smoke and mirror people. Check out PC gamers take on it. Or hell any number of sites. For that matter go to eveonline page and read any one of the thousands of postings.
Hell go to goonswarms page and see what they are saying about it.
Sad sad day.
Fuck CCP.
I'm an EVE player and I have compared it to the NGE. Not because of the fact that they've completely changed the way the game works, which they haven't... yet. But because of the player reaction to their choices of trying something new within the game for the sake of greed.
EVE is a game where a small competitive edge means EVERYTHING. I pirate and as such knowing what kind of ship an enemy is flying and how old the character is, can tell you exactly what to expect in the ways of resistance and the fight you have coming up. If they're letting people buy their skill points, or a skill point training enhancer, it's going to throw things way off. Furthermore, if these people buy ships, or faction points to attain certain ships, it'll also mess a lot with the economy as there will be a massive influx of items that will either drive the market down (people trying to undercut each other) or up (people trying to gouge for a highly in-demand item).
Furthermore, CCP still hasn't dealt with the fact that there is a very small number of players out there with the ability to craft high level items. CCP stopped creating blueprints for these high level items years ago, but never lowered or removed the items importance. Therefore the blueprints for these craftable items are hard to obtain, horribly expensive, and very important, basically locking anyone who can't get their hands on them, out of that market.
All in all, yes, I'd call this an NGE of sorts. CCP is swearing this latest expansion is awesome and we just have to give it time and that player reaction is expected at this level and we'll just get used to it. Sound familiar?
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
Maybe not comparable in competence, but certainly in attitude.
Add to it that the game was doing well and growing, while SWG was bleeding and getting desperate, I have a whole lot more sympathy for the SWG folks than I do CCP right now.
I agree with rob, its is not comparable in the since of game play mechanics. However it is comparable in the attitude that ccp is showing its player base, and to me they deserve what they get. I am just glad that its been several years since I canceled my sub.
Tin foil hat alert..
None Eve players threaten to quit over kibble ratings..
Just In ... huge masses of players logged out of Eve at 1100z today,.. CCP claim its a maintanance issue ! though those logging back in again 30 minutes later declared that they would do the same again tomorrow!!!
It's hard to explain but I don't think any dev team could mess up as bad as NGE.
I think EVE is safe, just some growing pains, which need to happen every now and then to stay current.
In a word, yes I agree.
To me, NGE was a major departure from the original design, which consquently alienated the core of the user base.
On the other hand, EvE is just looking at introducing a new revenue stream opportunity. Does it completely alter the gameplay experience? Hardly. Moreover, without another comparable game to go to instead, I suspect that lots of users may complain about it, but stick around begrudgingly anyway.
EVE's NGE....
hmmm....
maybe when they introduce:
-level based characters
-battlegrounds
-no decay
-only instance rewards worthwhile
-try to copy WOW
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