My original guess ages ago was September 2011. It looks like I won't be too far off. I think there is about a 99% chance it will be betwee September and December :-) lol
Ohh and one more thing.... after seeing how SW:TOR is being designed, it's artwork, etc,* I am fairly certain MMO Gamers are NOT the target audience of customers for SW:TOR.*
Who's the target Audience?
I would imagine the target audience works like this
from the order of who they are targeting more to less
Kotor fans
then
Bioware fans
Then
star wars fans
Then
MMo fans
So while MMO fans are the least likely target they are still a target, if they weren't, it wouldn't look like an MMO.
But first and foremost it's directed to kotor fans as it takes a lot of features and storyline from that game. Then you have the story telling feature Bioware fans tend to like. Follow by it's star wars so they are a targeted audience and lastly MMo fans, which are probably the hardest of the bunch to please.
And what they are hoping is that word of mouth from the KotOR fans, and BioWare fans will tap into the Star Wars fans over time. Its the nearly unlimited pool of Star Wars fans they want to draw from.
Kotor was the best selling game for Bioware nearly 7 million. Those numbers are out of reach for an MMO. Mass Effect sold three million plus while Dragon Age Origins sold four million. I feel that two million box sales are pretty reasonable. How many non-traditional MMO players stay is up in the air.
If they aren't the next major release before diablo 3 and Gw2 and whatever else is out there.. This game will suffer huge with a xmas launch.. what a stupid marketing decision. The best launch dates are sept-nov.. You don't need a holiday to sell games.. most people have a ton of crap to buy and I bet this game aint on the list..
SWG is closing the 15th of December which means that SWTOR wil be launched soon after (20th December)
3 years ago I said that SWTOR will launch when SWG would shut down, because you can't have the same IP used by 2 different developers at the same time
And that's exactly what is going to happen
I remember a few years ago how SOE was assuring their community that SWG wouldn't be effected by TOR enough to shut down. This was talk about post release TOR.
An xmas release is risky. That guarantees a ton of copies sold, which gurantees crashing servers, inadequate customer support, lag. This along with the fact that I believe this may be some peoples first mmo ( remember just because someone watched the star wars movies does not = mmo gamer) will amount to a shitstorm of bad press like "ToR ruins Christmas".
Nah, they are going to have a huge amount of people buying the game "christmas or no christmas".
They will either be able to accomodate people or not.
Agreed. I don't think it makes any difference.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
SWG is closing the 15th of December which means that SWTOR wil be launched soon after (20th December)
3 years ago I said that SWTOR will launch when SWG would shut down, because you can't have the same IP used by 2 different developers at the same time
And that's exactly what is going to happen
I remember a few years ago how SOE was assuring their community that SWG wouldn't be effected by TOR enough to shut down. This was talk about post release TOR.
It shutting down is absolutely nothing to do with SWTOR , anyone thinks so is deluded.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
The Investors do not care about crashing servers, inadequate customer support, or lag. Those are things that Players and Devs care about. If the problems get too bad the Investors will just start pink slippin' and hiring and blame the Devs for not doing their job (when in fact the Investors probably won't have enough servers ready because they cost too much.).
But in the big scheme of things Players and Devs don't matter. Only Investors and their cronies matter. This is MMO Gaming in 2011.
i would not be surprised by a Christmas Release... in fact I am betting on it.
Investors and Shareholders just LOVE merchandise to be released for sale at Christmas time. It gives them warm fuzzies as they count their profits.
Ohh and one more thing.... after seeing how SW:TOR is being designed, it's artwork, etc,* I am fairly certain MMO Gamers are NOT the target audience of customers for SW:TOR.*
The last sentence of this post is ridiculous. Most of the graphics of MMO's are fairly unrealistic and are stylized. So what standard are you talking about? Examples of games that are aiming at the MMO audience?
SWG is closing the 15th of December which means that SWTOR wil be launched soon after (20th December)
3 years ago I said that SWTOR will launch when SWG would shut down, because you can't have the same IP used by 2 different developers at the same time
And that's exactly what is going to happen
I remember a few years ago how SOE was assuring their community that SWG wouldn't be effected by TOR enough to shut down. This was talk about post release TOR.
It shutting down is absolutely nothing to do with SWTOR , anyone thinks so is deluded.
Maybe before calling people names it is better you learn how this kind of business works
Star Wars is an IP, when a company agree a licence with George Lucas, usually (99% of the times) it is exclusive for a certain market sector, and/or a certain country (or it can be worldwide like in the case of a MMO or a Movie)
You will never see in the cinemas 2 Star Wars movies produced by 2 different studios at the same time.
You will never see Star Wars shirt produced by 2 different manufacturers in the same country at the same time.
So you can't have 2 Star Wars MMO running at the same time produced by 2 different developers, because that would mean sharing the same target audiance, and when a company pays for a licence, certainly do not want that trouble.
The fact that SWG is virtually dead and won't influence SWTOR sales it doesn't really matter, that's not how business works
Companies protect their investiment very aggressively, even if the competitor has no teeth to bite.
SoE lost the Licence when the NGE failed to turn around SWG, therefore Lucas Arts decided to look for another developer which could make a better job...........enter Bioware
That's as simple as that.
I hope you got the point, because it is not very difficult too understand
That makes no sense, since you also have CWA that will still be available, so you'll always have at least 2 developers that are working with the same IP even if SWG will close before SWTOR is launched. And yes, those 2 aren't working in totally different genres, CWA is still listed as an MMO game.
Besides, if I'm correct development for SWTOR started in 2005.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
That makes no sense, since you also have CWA that will still be available, so you'll always have at least 2 developers that are working with the same IP even if SWG will close before SWTOR is launched. And yes, those 2 aren't working in totally different genres, CWA is still listed as an MMO game.
Besides, if I'm correct development for SWTOR started in 2005.
Yeah, why the "bleep" do pople keep acting like Clone Wars Adventures does not exist? Sure its a kiddie broswer game, sure it sucks rocks, but it is still a freaking SW license MMO game held by a company other than Bioware.
And yes you are correct development did start in 2005. They just didn't announce what the game was until 2008.
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SWG is closing the 15th of December which means that SWTOR wil be launched soon after (20th December)
3 years ago I said that SWTOR will launch when SWG would shut down, because you can't have the same IP used by 2 different developers at the same time
And that's exactly what is going to happen
^^Agreed
Not a chance, IMO. Releasing a new MMO during a holiday week is a recipe for disaster. First off 90% of holiday shopping is complete by then, so they lose a bunch of holiday sales. Second, the initial release push takes at least 2 weeks to calm down and that means all hands on deck until that happens. Bioware knows that launches are a HUGE deal for MMO's and I doubt they would risk a launch less than a week before the biggest holiday of the year.
I avoid posting here like I avoid coddling plague rats.. but frankly you people need some perspective.
First of all, the licence for SWG runs out at the end of the year. Thus they simply decided NOT to take it into 2012. End of discussions. Had NOTHING to do with anything but that’s simply when the contract runs out. Now then about Xmas.. um NO.
Lets take some things into consideration here. From a purely publishing and thus Business standpoint. Now then, Dec is out. You NEVER release an MMO in Dec, the past has proven this is simply not a good time for sales. And if you think their after something OTHER than money, your smoking some good shit.
So when DO you release.. This is simple deduction time. Yes Nov sounds like a great time, UNTILL you look at the list of AAA titles to be released in Nov. There’s about 8 of them, not the least of which is BF3. One of EA’s own and might I say LARGEST franchisees.
Now then, you don’t release your 2 biggest games of the year in the same month. This is marketing at it’s most basic form. People have X budget with which to buy games. You don’t press them to buy 2 of yours in the same week. Because it won’t happen and sales WILL take a hit for it.
Now then we back track a couple weeks into October. This would also be a good window.. except one thing. Activision will be releasing Modern Warfare 3. So EA will be throwing ALL it’s money and add space behind the MW/BF battle for those 2 months. It’s just how it will be because of the holliday rush. This leaves us with only ONE answer. The game will release sometime in September. Why? Because it’s the most logical time to work with, nothing else is coming out, EA can spend a good month without cross Hype to get people to buy it.
Try to keep some perspective in your random claims. ^^ I have said my bit *puts on fireproof suit and waits to be burnt at the stake*
P.S. theres of corse the chance it won't release at ALL This year.. but I'm still backing the most logical window personaly.
I avoid posting here like I avoid coddling plague rats.. but frankly you people need some perspective.
First of all, the licence for SWG runs out at the end of the year. Thus they simply decided NOT to take it into 2012. End of discussions. Had NOTHING to do with anything but that’s simply when the contract runs out. Now then about Xmas.. um NO.
Lets take some things into consideration here. From a purely publishing and thus Business standpoint. Now then, Dec is out. You NEVER release an MMO in Dec, the past has proven this is simply not a good time for sales. And if you think their after something OTHER than money, your smoking some good shit.
So when DO you release.. This is simple deduction time. Yes Nov sounds like a great time, UNTILL you look at the list of AAA titles to be released in Nov. There’s about 8 of them, not the least of which is BF3. One of EA’s own and might I say LARGEST franchisees.
Now then, you don’t release your 2 biggest games of the year in the same month. This is marketing at it’s most basic form. People have X budget with which to buy games. You don’t press them to buy 2 of yours in the same week. Because it won’t happen and sales WILL take a hit for it.
Now then we back track a couple weeks into October. This would also be a good window.. except one thing. Activision will be releasing Modern Warfare 3. So EA will be throwing ALL it’s money and add space behind the MW/BF battle for those 2 months. It’s just how it will be because of the holliday rush. This leaves us with only ONE answer. The game will release sometime in September. Why? Because it’s the most logical time to work with, nothing else is coming out, EA can spend a good month without cross Hype to get people to buy it.
Try to keep some perspective in your random claims. ^^ I have said my bit *puts on fireproof suit and waits to be burnt at the stake*
P.S. theres of corse the chance it won't release at ALL This year.. but I'm still backing the most logical window personaly.
How are you any different than the people making random claims?
You really have no clue when it will release,your statements our as random as the others in this thread.
Everything you say could be wrong or right but don't knock anyone else for making random claims when you yourself are doing the same.
That makes no sense, since you also have CWA that will still be available, so you'll always have at least 2 developers that are working with the same IP even if SWG will close before SWTOR is launched. And yes, those 2 aren't working in totally different genres, CWA is still listed as an MMO game.
Besides, if I'm correct development for SWTOR started in 2005.
It makes no sense to you because you have no knowledge how licensing works.
You can work at different projects with the same IP as long as they are not live at the same time, production work is not included in the Licence exclusivity clause.
That's why I predicted 3 years ago that SWTOR will launch as soon as SWG will close, because once SWG closes it means that the production process of SWTOR ends and it is ready to go live
Also CWA is not an MMO, get your fact straight at least, even SoE stated that at the last PAX
wow people are ignorant the game may be released after SWG shuts down but do not get a date set in your head if you think the game is gonna be online a few days after the other shuts down you are gonna be disapointed because bioware will not rush a release date on there games. they made that mistake with KOTOR 2. It in my opinion was still an amazing game and i thuroughly enjoyed it. it was definitly not complete and it was rushed to retail. they would not dare do the same with SWTOR most likely the game will be pushed back a month or two so that they can perfect the game. Bioware does not push back there games for stupid reasons. they always do it so that they can perfect there games for the right reasons. I respect them for this alot. I would hate to see this game rushed in anyway.
I know they plan on releasing it in 2011 but I just do not see that happening i can see them releasing it in between december of 2011 and march or 2012.
Games I will be playing are: TES V, SWTOR, ME 3, TSW
SWG is closing the 15th of December which means that SWTOR wil be launched soon after (20th December)
3 years ago I said that SWTOR will launch when SWG would shut down, because you can't have the same IP used by 2 different developers at the same time
And that's exactly what is going to happen
^^Agreed
Not a chance, IMO. Releasing a new MMO during a holiday week is a recipe for disaster. First off 90% of holiday shopping is complete by then, so they lose a bunch of holiday sales. Second, the initial release push takes at least 2 weeks to calm down and that means all hands on deck until that happens. Bioware knows that launches are a HUGE deal for MMO's and I doubt they would risk a launch less than a week before the biggest holiday of the year.
Games are released year round. Yes most of them try to be on the market before the holidays but I don't think it will be as soon as everyone thinks. I still agree with ste2000. TOR will not be launched until SWG closes down. That would still make his prediction of after Dec 15 still feasible. Either way I still lean towards a January 2012 launch but definitely not until SWG is history.
wow people are ignorant the game may be released after SWG shuts down but do not get a date set in your head if you think the game is gonna be online a few days after the other shuts down you are gonna be disapointed because bioware will not rush a release date on there games. they made that mistake with KOTOR 2. It in my opinion was still an amazing game and i thuroughly enjoyed it. it was definitly not complete and it was rushed to retail. they would not dare do the same with SWTOR most likely the game will be pushed back a month or two so that they can perfect the game. Bioware does not push back there games for stupid reasons. they always do it so that they can perfect there games for the right reasons. I respect them for this alot. I would hate to see this game rushed in anyway.
I know they plan on releasing it in 2011 but I just do not see that happening i can see them releasing it in between december of 2011 and march or 2012.
Releasing it in December 2011 is not a rushed decision. The game has been in development since 2008. At this point the SWG community is up in arms about's it closure and Bioware/lucasarts probably want to avoid any kind of fallout of having both titles running at the same time. So we will see what happens.
wow people are ignorant the game may be released after SWG shuts down but do not get a date set in your head if you think the game is gonna be online a few days after the other shuts down you are gonna be disapointed because bioware will not rush a release date on there games. they made that mistake with KOTOR 2. It in my opinion was still an amazing game and i thuroughly enjoyed it. it was definitly not complete and it was rushed to retail. they would not dare do the same with SWTOR most likely the game will be pushed back a month or two so that they can perfect the game. Bioware does not push back there games for stupid reasons. they always do it so that they can perfect there games for the right reasons. I respect them for this alot. I would hate to see this game rushed in anyway.
I know they plan on releasing it in 2011 but I just do not see that happening i can see them releasing it in between december of 2011 and march or 2012.
Releasing it in December 2011 is not a rushed decision. The game has been in development since 2008. At this point the SWG community is up in arms about's it closure and Bioware/lucasarts probably want to avoid any kind of fallout of having both titles running at the same time. So we will see what happens.
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My original guess ages ago was September 2011. It looks like I won't be too far off. I think there is about a 99% chance it will be betwee September and December :-) lol
There Is Always Hope!
Kotor was the best selling game for Bioware nearly 7 million. Those numbers are out of reach for an MMO. Mass Effect sold three million plus while Dragon Age Origins sold four million. I feel that two million box sales are pretty reasonable. How many non-traditional MMO players stay is up in the air.
If they aren't the next major release before diablo 3 and Gw2 and whatever else is out there.. This game will suffer huge with a xmas launch.. what a stupid marketing decision. The best launch dates are sept-nov.. You don't need a holiday to sell games.. most people have a ton of crap to buy and I bet this game aint on the list..
Already debunked ;P ToR will be out when it's ready, whether or not SWG is still running.
I remember a few years ago how SOE was assuring their community that SWG wouldn't be effected by TOR enough to shut down. This was talk about post release TOR.
Agreed. I don't think it makes any difference.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
For some reason this made me literally LOL.
The release date of SWTOR will be in no way related to SWG closing.
Different games different time.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
It shutting down is absolutely nothing to do with SWTOR , anyone thinks so is deluded.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Razer products (Keyboard + Mouse) due out November (PR guy slipped and said Nov. release too)
November = Plenty of time to generate Holiday sales and run ads (TV, print) for game release
Consulted magic 8 ball and asked about November release, ball said "Signs point to Yes"
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
Originally posted by Gardavsshade
The Investors do not care about crashing servers, inadequate customer support, or lag. Those are things that Players and Devs care about. If the problems get too bad the Investors will just start pink slippin' and hiring and blame the Devs for not doing their job (when in fact the Investors probably won't have enough servers ready because they cost too much.).
But in the big scheme of things Players and Devs don't matter. Only Investors and their cronies matter. This is MMO Gaming in 2011.
i would not be surprised by a Christmas Release... in fact I am betting on it.
Investors and Shareholders just LOVE merchandise to be released for sale at Christmas time. It gives them warm fuzzies as they count their profits.
Ohh and one more thing.... after seeing how SW:TOR is being designed, it's artwork, etc,* I am fairly certain MMO Gamers are NOT the target audience of customers for SW:TOR.*
The last sentence of this post is ridiculous. Most of the graphics of MMO's are fairly unrealistic and are stylized. So what standard are you talking about? Examples of games that are aiming at the MMO audience?
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
november 15th....not quite xmas so itll givem time to kinda work out the kinks before santa delivers !
im tellin ya will see it released in november i would bet money on it....
Maybe before calling people names it is better you learn how this kind of business works
Star Wars is an IP, when a company agree a licence with George Lucas, usually (99% of the times) it is exclusive for a certain market sector, and/or a certain country (or it can be worldwide like in the case of a MMO or a Movie)
You will never see in the cinemas 2 Star Wars movies produced by 2 different studios at the same time.
You will never see Star Wars shirt produced by 2 different manufacturers in the same country at the same time.
So you can't have 2 Star Wars MMO running at the same time produced by 2 different developers, because that would mean sharing the same target audiance, and when a company pays for a licence, certainly do not want that trouble.
The fact that SWG is virtually dead and won't influence SWTOR sales it doesn't really matter, that's not how business works
Companies protect their investiment very aggressively, even if the competitor has no teeth to bite.
SoE lost the Licence when the NGE failed to turn around SWG, therefore Lucas Arts decided to look for another developer which could make a better job...........enter Bioware
That's as simple as that.
I hope you got the point, because it is not very difficult too understand
That makes no sense, since you also have CWA that will still be available, so you'll always have at least 2 developers that are working with the same IP even if SWG will close before SWTOR is launched. And yes, those 2 aren't working in totally different genres, CWA is still listed as an MMO game.
Besides, if I'm correct development for SWTOR started in 2005.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Yeah, why the "bleep" do pople keep acting like Clone Wars Adventures does not exist? Sure its a kiddie broswer game, sure it sucks rocks, but it is still a freaking SW license MMO game held by a company other than Bioware.
And yes you are correct development did start in 2005. They just didn't announce what the game was until 2008.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
^^Agreed
Not a chance, IMO. Releasing a new MMO during a holiday week is a recipe for disaster. First off 90% of holiday shopping is complete by then, so they lose a bunch of holiday sales. Second, the initial release push takes at least 2 weeks to calm down and that means all hands on deck until that happens. Bioware knows that launches are a HUGE deal for MMO's and I doubt they would risk a launch less than a week before the biggest holiday of the year.
I avoid posting here like I avoid coddling plague rats.. but frankly you people need some perspective.
First of all, the licence for SWG runs out at the end of the year. Thus they simply decided NOT to take it into 2012. End of discussions. Had NOTHING to do with anything but that’s simply when the contract runs out. Now then about Xmas.. um NO.
Lets take some things into consideration here. From a purely publishing and thus Business standpoint. Now then, Dec is out. You NEVER release an MMO in Dec, the past has proven this is simply not a good time for sales. And if you think their after something OTHER than money, your smoking some good shit.
So when DO you release.. This is simple deduction time. Yes Nov sounds like a great time, UNTILL you look at the list of AAA titles to be released in Nov. There’s about 8 of them, not the least of which is BF3. One of EA’s own and might I say LARGEST franchisees.
Now then, you don’t release your 2 biggest games of the year in the same month. This is marketing at it’s most basic form. People have X budget with which to buy games. You don’t press them to buy 2 of yours in the same week. Because it won’t happen and sales WILL take a hit for it.
Now then we back track a couple weeks into October. This would also be a good window.. except one thing. Activision will be releasing Modern Warfare 3. So EA will be throwing ALL it’s money and add space behind the MW/BF battle for those 2 months. It’s just how it will be because of the holliday rush. This leaves us with only ONE answer. The game will release sometime in September. Why? Because it’s the most logical time to work with, nothing else is coming out, EA can spend a good month without cross Hype to get people to buy it.
Try to keep some perspective in your random claims. ^^ I have said my bit *puts on fireproof suit and waits to be burnt at the stake*
P.S. theres of corse the chance it won't release at ALL This year.. but I'm still backing the most logical window personaly.
How are you any different than the people making random claims?
You really have no clue when it will release,your statements our as random as the others in this thread.
Everything you say could be wrong or right but don't knock anyone else for making random claims when you yourself are doing the same.
It makes no sense to you because you have no knowledge how licensing works.
You can work at different projects with the same IP as long as they are not live at the same time, production work is not included in the Licence exclusivity clause.
That's why I predicted 3 years ago that SWTOR will launch as soon as SWG will close, because once SWG closes it means that the production process of SWTOR ends and it is ready to go live
Also CWA is not an MMO, get your fact straight at least, even SoE stated that at the last PAX
wow people are ignorant the game may be released after SWG shuts down but do not get a date set in your head if you think the game is gonna be online a few days after the other shuts down you are gonna be disapointed because bioware will not rush a release date on there games. they made that mistake with KOTOR 2. It in my opinion was still an amazing game and i thuroughly enjoyed it. it was definitly not complete and it was rushed to retail. they would not dare do the same with SWTOR most likely the game will be pushed back a month or two so that they can perfect the game. Bioware does not push back there games for stupid reasons. they always do it so that they can perfect there games for the right reasons. I respect them for this alot. I would hate to see this game rushed in anyway.
I know they plan on releasing it in 2011 but I just do not see that happening i can see them releasing it in between december of 2011 and march or 2012.
Games I will be playing are: TES V, SWTOR, ME 3, TSW
Games are released year round. Yes most of them try to be on the market before the holidays but I don't think it will be as soon as everyone thinks. I still agree with ste2000. TOR will not be launched until SWG closes down. That would still make his prediction of after Dec 15 still feasible. Either way I still lean towards a January 2012 launch but definitely not until SWG is history.
Releasing it in December 2011 is not a rushed decision. The game has been in development since 2008. At this point the SWG community is up in arms about's it closure and Bioware/lucasarts probably want to avoid any kind of fallout of having both titles running at the same time. So we will see what happens.
Make that '05, champ.
He who keeps his cool best wins.