1000W PSU is not a power supply. If you don't know exactly what power supply you have, then it's probably cheap junk, and there's a decent chance that it should be replaced.
"The reality is that if you pay the same amount for a PC laptop it would have greater hardware specs unless you are foolish enough to buy from Alienware or some other such company that forces n00b consumers to believe they can produce a superior product."
Actually, for gaming purposes, spending the same money on an Alienware M17x or M18x as on a MacBook Pro will get you a vastly superior gaming machine from Alienware. Well, if you configure it properly, that is. Maybe you pay an extra 10% to get it from Alienware rather than some other vendor. But that sure beats paying more than double to get it from Apple.
"Using this macbook for school is perfect because i can sit in a days worht of lextures and still have enough battery power to go home and jerk off, and even leave it on afterwards for a few hours and not have to worry about its battery life."
If you want a gaming machine with good battery life, then the only serious option is one based on an AMD Llano APU. Apple doesn't even offer that, so you'd have to dismiss MacBook Pros out of hand.
"And the iPad is probably the most tablet hardware-wise known to man."
The Apple A4 in the iPad isn't remotely competitive on hardware performance with AMD's Desna APU, as used in this:
Even Apple A5 in the iPad 2 isn't competitive. The Apple A5 probably does offer lower power consumption than Desna, as there are trade-offs between performance and power consumption, and 5.9 W for Desna is quite a bit for a tablet.
Perhaps more importantly, Apple offers an OS which is designed to work well on tablets, unlike Windows 7. But that's software, not hardware. ARM Cortex A15 cores might be competitive with Bobcat cores, but those aren't coming for at least another year, so Apple can't compete on hardware specs unless they want to move iOS to x86, which they probably won't--and shouldn't.
Originally posted by WardTheGreat Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by Dream_Chaser
Actually, they're fairly competitive! And the iPad is probably the most tablet hardware-wise known to man. Really, this kind of atttitude is as out of date as "Gaming laptops can't keep up with desktops." Get with the times, man!
Speaking of getting with the times, I wish Apple fans would stop thinking they're all counterculture and part of an awesome exclusive club. Owning Apple products is sort of like going down to the local Walmart and ordering a Big Mac at the McDonalds in there. Apple IS the man. They're totally The Man. Except its like a $20 Big Mac. I loled.
Sure, they do well with the ipods and ipads, but I still can't explain that; I can't stand them. I think it mostly has to do with being the first and penetrating the market with campaigns that sink into the minds of people.
But they are a tiny market share with PCs, and for good reason. They are worse than PCs at everything (yes, including video/graphics; that's a ridiculous, blatant, hilarious, and at times enraging lie).
I imagine they will make a version for Macs. Many large games do, and I think they want to reach as many people as possible. But I can't imagine it will get the same level of support or caring as PC will. But that has nothing to do with how demonstrably worse Macs are, but rather that there are not enough players using Macs to warrant it.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
Actually, they're fairly competitive! And the iPad is probably the most tablet hardware-wise known to man.
Really, this kind of atttitude is as out of date as "Gaming laptops can't keep up with desktops."
Get with the times, man!
Speaking of getting with the times, I wish Apple fans would stop thinking they're all counterculture and part of an awesome exclusive club.
Owning Apple products is sort of like going down to the local Walmart and ordering a Big Mac at the McDonalds in there.
Apple IS the man. They're totally The Man.
The facetiousness is strong with this one.
I know that's a joke, but still, it's not really a true one, it's a stereotype perpetrated by Apple's marketing and people who don't like Mac fans. I know a few Mac owners myself, and really they just like how the hardware and software works, they're artistic types and it suits them. A PC is a very robust thing, but until Windows 7, it wasn't really a sexy, sleek, user-friendly thing.
For people who aren't geeks, pre-7 Windows could be pretty intimidating. Vista because of the bugs and performance issues, and XP because itw as a complete bastard of an OS, through and through. And I say this as a Windows user. I'm a geek myself, I like Windows and Linux, but I have to tip the hat of accessibility to Apple. I mean, they even do things like per-window zoom on applications, that's cool shit right there. Windows 7 is just about barely managing full screen zoom, but it can only be used when Aero is on, and Aero is such a system hog.
There's a lot that Windows can learn from OS X, really, and there are things that OS X could learn from your average household computer when it comes to being more robust and reliable, especially from Linux. But at the end of the day even a Macintosh is just a PC, it all uses PC architecture anyway. So blah.
I just think that Mac users are treated kind of unfairly. Much like some geeks are, some gamers, some sci-fi fans, some tabletop players, some furries... blah. Internet. Why are you so xenophobic?
I don't know, man. I just think that there's room enough for everyone.
Some of them might be a bit hipster, but they're the bane of Mac users too, which not everyone realises. I think that Mac users are trying to fix their image as much as gamers are. I mean, look at us, we have no-lifers who devote their life to a pointless MMORPG, but that's not all of us, now is it? And it's an image and a philosophy that I tend to combat wherever and whenever I can, since I think we're better than that. And I don't want to be judged by that standard as a gamer.
Likewise, I won't judge others by stereotypes, either.
Actually, they're fairly competitive! And the iPad is probably the most tablet hardware-wise known to man.
Really, this kind of atttitude is as out of date as "Gaming laptops can't keep up with desktops."
Get with the times, man!
Speaking of getting with the times, I wish Apple fans would stop thinking they're all counterculture and part of an awesome exclusive club.
Owning Apple products is sort of like going down to the local Walmart and ordering a Big Mac at the McDonalds in there.
Apple IS the man. They're totally The Man.
The facetiousness is strong with this one.
I know that's a joke, but still, it's not really a true one, it's a stereotype perpetrated by Apple's marketing and people who don't like Mac fans. I know a few Mac owners myself, and really they just like how the hardware and software works, they're artistic types and it suits them. A PC is a very robust thing, but until Windows 7, it wasn't really a sexy, sleek, user-friendly thing.
For people who aren't geeks, pre-7 Windows could be pretty intimidating. Vista because of the bugs and performance issues, and XP because itw as a complete bastard of an OS, through and through. And I say this as a Windows user. I'm a geek myself, I like Windows and Linux, but I have to tip the hat of accessibility to Apple. I mean, they even do things like per-window zoom on applications, that's cool shit right there. Windows 7 is just about barely managing full screen zoom, but it can only be used when Aero is on, and Aero is such a system hog.
There's a lot that Windows can learn from OS X, really, and there are things that OS X could learn from your average household computer when it comes to being more robust and reliable, especially from Linux. But at the end of the day even a Macintosh is just a PC, it all uses PC architecture anyway. So blah.
I just think that Mac users are treated kind of unfairly. Much like some geeks are, some gamers, some sci-fi fans, some tabletop players, some furries... blah. Internet. Why are you so xenophobic?
I don't know, man. I just think that there's room enough for everyone.
Some of them might be a bit hipster, but they're the bane of Mac users too, which not everyone realises. I think that Mac users are trying to fix their image as much as gamers are. I mean, look at us, we have no-lifers who devote their life to a pointless MMORPG, but that's not all of us, now is it? And it's an image and a philosophy that I tend to combat wherever and whenever I can, since I think we're better than that. And I don't want to be judged by that standard as a gamer.
Likewise, I won't judge others by stereotypes, either.
Mac stores are still scary with a post modern orwellian architecture.
And how is that that much worse than PC gaming stores? The GAME I have local to me is poorly lit, skanky, and staffed by creepy people who follow me around, sound like they're half dead, act like they would do anything to make a sale, and smell weird. I try to avoid going there as much as possible. For that very reason I prefer buying things online, instead. But am I to be judged by my local GAME store?
Frankly, visiting GAME makes me feel skanky, and I very much dislike feeling skanky. The problem here is that you're making the assumption that all Mac users actually enjoy the Apple approach to their stores, which may not at all be the case. This is what I'm getting at, really, there's a whole lot of assumption going on here and a whole lot of stereotyping, but not a smidgeon of fairness.
Annoyingly, this is something I notice with gamers and it's something I fight. This is why I dislike games trying to make them racist so much, because it works. Many gamers that I have met have been sexist, racist, misogynyst, misanthropic, xenophobic, hateful, and generally just view the world through a lens of stereotyping. And often the hateful stereotyping that the gamers i've interacted with makes me hate them.
Really, I think that the gaming sub culture could be so much better than that.
As it is though, I feel that everything the press said about us in the '90s was right. They were just ahead of their time, they wasted their headlines too early, because whilst they may not have applied then, they do apply now. Do those headlines apply to you? Well, that's not for me to say, but if you reall want to be the kind of open-minded gamer that I could respect, then you should probably step away from the stereotypes.
I'm one of the guys who have always used both. Both are awesome. Windows 7 is my favorite Windows OS ever and I think MS took a lot of looks at OSX for it. Snow Leopard is also really good, and very light.
I own a high end 24'' Mac (early 2008 model) and yeah, it would struggle with games like Crysis, but there is a reason for it. - Imac contains Laptop components. It's actual renamed laptop graphics inside of them. They are very thin, are supposed to be quiet. It's a computer in a screen.
There is nothing wrong with them. It' has a high quality IPS display, it's very bright, it's very solid design - No palstic on the chassis. Basically a solid piece of aluminium. And then you are paying for highly condensed components to save space.
Imac is a great computer, but if you want to be the king of gaming, it's not really what you need. And Mac Pro is almost overkill. Mac Pro is more for Video Editors who are doing 4K.
The new Macbook Pro 13'' went back to integrated graphics, after the earlier model had 320m Nvidia graphics (a low end, decent card for low resolution play on some games). It's probably because the Sandybrige architecture required a redesign, and there was no fit for a dedicated GPU. Or perhaps Apple just do not care about graphics in their 13''?
I think the 13'' is the ideal Laptop. I haven't come across many powerful ones that are both stylish, powerful, light and have great battery life. If I had the money I would get a Sony Vaio SB! It has a 6630m card inside, which is quite powerful for a sublight notebook, and the machine is quite sexy too. It has a slice battery that you can put underneath the laptop that can give it up to 13-15 hours (Sonys estimates...) but we all know battery runs are often bogus due to the way they test:)
At the end of the day, I think doing a GW2 Mac port would be very difficult. OpenGL is not exactly developers favorite thing right now. I think even Carmack is shying away from it, with Rage...? It's too bad direct X is only on Windows. If it was on Mac, PC Games should with relative ease be playable on Mac. That would be cool.
maybe after a year or 2 in the market but from the get go ?i dont know why they would bother if they just make it so it work on w7 they will get a possible 400 million player pool!plenty to overwelm even the best server .i sure hope they support only w7 so we ll get smoother game play less old bug from xp and vista era etc!i am sorry for the other os user but w7 as been out long enough and market penetration is so huge that by the time gw2 gets out the w7 market pool will probably be around 800 million!
I know that's a joke, but still, it's not really a true one, it's a stereotype perpetrated by Apple's marketing and people who don't like Mac fans. I know a few Mac owners myself, and really they just like how the hardware and software works, they're artistic types and it suits them. A PC is a very robust thing, but until Windows 7, it wasn't really a sexy, sleek, user-friendly thing.
For people who aren't geeks, pre-7 Windows could be pretty intimidating. Vista because of the bugs and performance issues, and XP because itw as a complete bastard of an OS, through and through. And I say this as a Windows user. I'm a geek myself, I like Windows and Linux, but I have to tip the hat of accessibility to Apple. I mean, they even do things like per-window zoom on applications, that's cool shit right there. Windows 7 is just about barely managing full screen zoom, but it can only be used when Aero is on, and Aero is such a system hog.
There's a lot that Windows can learn from OS X, really, and there are things that OS X could learn from your average household computer when it comes to being more robust and reliable, especially from Linux. But at the end of the day even a Macintosh is just a PC, it all uses PC architecture anyway. So blah.
I just think that Mac users are treated kind of unfairly. Much like some geeks are, some gamers, some sci-fi fans, some tabletop players, some furries... blah. Internet. Why are you so xenophobic?
I don't know, man. I just think that there's room enough for everyone.
Some of them might be a bit hipster, but they're the bane of Mac users too, which not everyone realises. I think that Mac users are trying to fix their image as much as gamers are. I mean, look at us, we have no-lifers who devote their life to a pointless MMORPG, but that's not all of us, now is it? And it's an image and a philosophy that I tend to combat wherever and whenever I can, since I think we're better than that. And I don't want to be judged by that standard as a gamer.
Likewise, I won't judge others by stereotypes, either.
1. It's a joke.
2. There really are Apple fans like that. Really. If there aren't, then apparently my crusade has succeeded, and my job here is done.
3. You judge by stereotypes all the time. I just accused some Apple fans of being hipsters. Hardly the worst thing you could ever be accused of. You called healers in the holy trinity racist xenophobic gaybashing jerks who are the worst scum of the Earth. Pot kettle. Glass house. Etc etc.
I'm one of the guys who have always used both. Both are awesome. Windows 7 is my favorite Windows OS ever and I think MS took a lot of looks at OSX for it. Snow Leopard is also really good, and very light.
I own a high end 24'' Mac (early 2008 model) and yeah, it would struggle with games like Crysis, but there is a reason for it. - Imac contains Laptop components. It's actual renamed laptop graphics inside of them. They are very thin, are supposed to be quiet. It's a computer in a screen.
There is nothing wrong with them. It' has a high quality IPS display, it's very bright, it's very solid design - No palstic on the chassis. Basically a solid piece of aluminium. And then you are paying for highly condensed components to save space.
Imac is a great computer, but if you want to be the king of gaming, it's not really what you need. And Mac Pro is almost overkill. Mac Pro is more for Video Editors who are doing 4K.
The new Macbook Pro 13'' went back to integrated graphics, after the earlier model had 320m Nvidia graphics (a low end, decent card for low resolution play on some games). It's probably because the Sandybrige architecture required a redesign, and there was no fit for a dedicated GPU. Or perhaps Apple just do not care about graphics in their 13''?
I think the 13'' is the ideal Laptop. I haven't come across many powerful ones that are both stylish, powerful, light and have great battery life. If I had the money I would get a Sony Vaio SB! It has a 6630m card inside, which is quite powerful for a sublight notebook, and the machine is quite sexy too. It has a slice battery that you can put underneath the laptop that can give it up to 13-15 hours (Sonys estimates...) but we all know battery runs are often bogus due to the way they test:)
At the end of the day, I think doing a GW2 Mac port would be very difficult. OpenGL is not exactly developers favorite thing right now. I think even Carmack is shying away from it, with Rage...? It's too bad direct X is only on Windows. If it was on Mac, PC Games should with relative ease be playable on Mac. That would be cool.
Did you really say a Mac Pro is overkill? In what sense? You're paying a base $3,000 dollars and it doesn't even have the capabilities to run a game like BBC2 at max settings. That is overkill, in the subpar performance department for your dollars.
Actually, they're fairly competitive! And the iPad is probably the most tablet hardware-wise known to man.
Really, this kind of atttitude is as out of date as "Gaming laptops can't keep up with desktops."
Get with the times, man!
Speaking of getting with the times, I wish Apple fans would stop thinking they're all counterculture and part of an awesome exclusive club.
Owning Apple products is sort of like going down to the local Walmart and ordering a Big Mac at the McDonalds in there.
Apple IS the man. They're totally The Man.
The facetiousness is strong with this one.
I know that's a joke, but still, it's not really a true one, it's a stereotype perpetrated by Apple's marketing and people who don't like Mac fans. I know a few Mac owners myself, and really they just like how the hardware and software works, they're artistic types and it suits them. A PC is a very robust thing, but until Windows 7, it wasn't really a sexy, sleek, user-friendly thing.
For people who aren't geeks, pre-7 Windows could be pretty intimidating. Vista because of the bugs and performance issues, and XP because itw as a complete bastard of an OS, through and through. And I say this as a Windows user. I'm a geek myself, I like Windows and Linux, but I have to tip the hat of accessibility to Apple. I mean, they even do things like per-window zoom on applications, that's cool shit right there. Windows 7 is just about barely managing full screen zoom, but it can only be used when Aero is on, and Aero is such a system hog.
There's a lot that Windows can learn from OS X, really, and there are things that OS X could learn from your average household computer when it comes to being more robust and reliable, especially from Linux. But at the end of the day even a Macintosh is just a PC, it all uses PC architecture anyway. So blah.
I just think that Mac users are treated kind of unfairly. Much like some geeks are, some gamers, some sci-fi fans, some tabletop players, some furries... blah. Internet. Why are you so xenophobic?
I don't know, man. I just think that there's room enough for everyone.
Some of them might be a bit hipster, but they're the bane of Mac users too, which not everyone realises. I think that Mac users are trying to fix their image as much as gamers are. I mean, look at us, we have no-lifers who devote their life to a pointless MMORPG, but that's not all of us, now is it? And it's an image and a philosophy that I tend to combat wherever and whenever I can, since I think we're better than that. And I don't want to be judged by that standard as a gamer.
Likewise, I won't judge others by stereotypes, either.
Yeah, but the problem is not that OS X is bad, I don't like it but it is a good OS. The problem is that you're paying basically thousands of dollars for the Apple sign, and the OS. Because, the hardware sure as hell doesn't warrant it. I could get the hardware in a Mac Pro for probably around $1,000, but they sell it at $2,999. That is the server model. I could even go to a boutique builder that will build me a system that is crafted better than an Apple Computer, overclocked, sufficiently cooled, for around $1,100 or $1,200 with the same hardware. My problem with Apple is the lowend hardware at high end custom rig prices.
Actually, they're fairly competitive! And the iPad is probably the most tablet hardware-wise known to man.
Really, this kind of atttitude is as out of date as "Gaming laptops can't keep up with desktops."
Get with the times, man!
Speaking of getting with the times, I wish Apple fans would stop thinking they're all counterculture and part of an awesome exclusive club.
Owning Apple products is sort of like going down to the local Walmart and ordering a Big Mac at the McDonalds in there.
Apple IS the man. They're totally The Man.
The facetiousness is strong with this one.
I know that's a joke, but still, it's not really a true one, it's a stereotype perpetrated by Apple's marketing and people who don't like Mac fans. I know a few Mac owners myself, and really they just like how the hardware and software works, they're artistic types and it suits them. A PC is a very robust thing, but until Windows 7, it wasn't really a sexy, sleek, user-friendly thing.
For people who aren't geeks, pre-7 Windows could be pretty intimidating. Vista because of the bugs and performance issues, and XP because itw as a complete bastard of an OS, through and through. And I say this as a Windows user. I'm a geek myself, I like Windows and Linux, but I have to tip the hat of accessibility to Apple. I mean, they even do things like per-window zoom on applications, that's cool shit right there. Windows 7 is just about barely managing full screen zoom, but it can only be used when Aero is on, and Aero is such a system hog.
There's a lot that Windows can learn from OS X, really, and there are things that OS X could learn from your average household computer when it comes to being more robust and reliable, especially from Linux. But at the end of the day even a Macintosh is just a PC, it all uses PC architecture anyway. So blah.
I just think that Mac users are treated kind of unfairly. Much like some geeks are, some gamers, some sci-fi fans, some tabletop players, some furries... blah. Internet. Why are you so xenophobic?
I don't know, man. I just think that there's room enough for everyone.
Some of them might be a bit hipster, but they're the bane of Mac users too, which not everyone realises. I think that Mac users are trying to fix their image as much as gamers are. I mean, look at us, we have no-lifers who devote their life to a pointless MMORPG, but that's not all of us, now is it? And it's an image and a philosophy that I tend to combat wherever and whenever I can, since I think we're better than that. And I don't want to be judged by that standard as a gamer.
Likewise, I won't judge others by stereotypes, either.
"The new Macbook Pro 13'' went back to integrated graphics, after the earlier model had 320m Nvidia graphics"
The GeForce 320M was also integrated graphics. It was custom integrated graphics that Nvidia did just for Apple. It was based on the GT216 GPU that was originally used in the GeForce GT 220. At the time, it was also the best integrated graphics ever made, though it has since been greatly surpassed by Llano.
"It's probably because the Sandybrige architecture required a redesign, and there was no fit for a dedicated GPU. Or perhaps Apple just do not care about graphics in their 13''?"
Intel won't let Nvidia make chipsets for any Intel processors more recent than Penryn. So Apple's choices were, use a processor architecture that launched in 2007, use Intel's awful integrated graphics, get a discrete card, or use an AMD processor. They went with the third option in the larger MacBook Pros, but that doesn't fit well in a 13" form factor. None of the other options were appealing, so they went with the second.
"If I had the money I would get a Sony Vaio SB! It has a 6630m card inside, which is quite powerful for a sublight notebook"
It's also only slightly faster than Radeon HD 6620G integrated graphics. So you get all of the drawbacks of a discrete card, without much of a performance benefit. Bad idea.
"It has a slice battery that you can put underneath the laptop that can give it up to 13-15 hours (Sonys estimates...) but we all know battery runs are often bogus due to the way they test:)"
If battery life matters to you, then Llano with integrated graphics beats Sandy Bridge with integrated graphics. And they both beat anything with a discrete card by a huge margin.
"It's too bad direct X is only on Windows."
The whole point of DirectX is to be exclusive to Windows. The reason Windows caught on is that Microsoft makes it easy to develop software for it. The DirectX API is how Microsoft does that for games in particular.
"Frankly, visiting GAME makes me feel skanky, and I very much dislike feeling skanky."
There are still people who visit retailers? You should learn about some newfangled thing called the Internet over there.
"My problem with Apple is the lowend hardware at high end custom rig prices."
Apple doesn't use low end hardware. Apple uses mid-range hardware. But yes, the high end price tag on mid-range hardware is a problem for most people.
"The new Macbook Pro 13'' went back to integrated graphics, after the earlier model had 320m Nvidia graphics"
The GeForce 320M was also integrated graphics. It was custom integrated graphics that Nvidia did just for Apple. It was based on the GT216 GPU that was originally used in the GeForce GT 220. At the time, it was also the best integrated graphics ever made, though it has since been greatly surpassed by Llano.
"It's probably because the Sandybrige architecture required a redesign, and there was no fit for a dedicated GPU. Or perhaps Apple just do not care about graphics in their 13''?"
Intel won't let Nvidia make chipsets for any Intel processors more recent than Penryn. So Apple's choices were, use a processor architecture that launched in 2007, use Intel's awful integrated graphics, get a discrete card, or use an AMD processor. They went with the third option in the larger MacBook Pros, but that doesn't fit well in a 13" form factor. None of the other options were appealing, so they went with the second.
"If I had the money I would get a Sony Vaio SB! It has a 6630m card inside, which is quite powerful for a sublight notebook"
It's also only slightly faster than Radeon HD 6620G integrated graphics. So you get all of the drawbacks of a discrete card, without much of a performance benefit. Bad idea.
"It has a slice battery that you can put underneath the laptop that can give it up to 13-15 hours (Sonys estimates...) but we all know battery runs are often bogus due to the way they test:)"
If battery life matters to you, then Llano with integrated graphics beats Sandy Bridge with integrated graphics. And they both beat anything with a discrete card by a huge margin.
"It's too bad direct X is only on Windows."
The whole point of DirectX is to be exclusive to Windows. The reason Windows caught on is that Microsoft makes it easy to develop software for it. The DirectX API is how Microsoft does that for games in particular.
"Frankly, visiting GAME makes me feel skanky, and I very much dislike feeling skanky."
There are still people who visit retailers? You should learn about some newfangled thing called the Internet over there.
"My problem with Apple is the lowend hardware at high end custom rig prices."
Apple doesn't use low end hardware. Apple uses mid-range hardware. But yes, the high end price tag on mid-range hardware is a problem for most people.
Meh when it comes to their GPU selection vs. the 6970 or gtx 580 in my book I would say it's lowend lol. But that's debatable, and for the most part you're right it's midranged hardware. Still, there are no bonuses for the thousands of dollars you pour down the drain to them that I find worthy.
"The new Macbook Pro 13'' went back to integrated graphics, after the earlier model had 320m Nvidia graphics"
The GeForce 320M was also integrated graphics. It was custom integrated graphics that Nvidia did just for Apple. It was based on the GT216 GPU that was originally used in the GeForce GT 220. At the time, it was also the best integrated graphics ever made, though it has since been greatly surpassed by Llano.
"It's probably because the Sandybrige architecture required a redesign, and there was no fit for a dedicated GPU. Or perhaps Apple just do not care about graphics in their 13''?"
Intel won't let Nvidia make chipsets for any Intel processors more recent than Penryn. So Apple's choices were, use a processor architecture that launched in 2007, use Intel's awful integrated graphics, get a discrete card, or use an AMD processor. They went with the third option in the larger MacBook Pros, but that doesn't fit well in a 13" form factor. None of the other options were appealing, so they went with the second.
"If I had the money I would get a Sony Vaio SB! It has a 6630m card inside, which is quite powerful for a sublight notebook"
It's also only slightly faster than Radeon HD 6620G integrated graphics. So you get all of the drawbacks of a discrete card, without much of a performance benefit. Bad idea.
"It has a slice battery that you can put underneath the laptop that can give it up to 13-15 hours (Sonys estimates...) but we all know battery runs are often bogus due to the way they test:)"
If battery life matters to you, then Llano with integrated graphics beats Sandy Bridge with integrated graphics. And they both beat anything with a discrete card by a huge margin.
"It's too bad direct X is only on Windows."
The whole point of DirectX is to be exclusive to Windows. The reason Windows caught on is that Microsoft makes it easy to develop software for it. The DirectX API is how Microsoft does that for games in particular.
"Frankly, visiting GAME makes me feel skanky, and I very much dislike feeling skanky."
There are still people who visit retailers? You should learn about some newfangled thing called the Internet over there.
"My problem with Apple is the lowend hardware at high end custom rig prices."
Apple doesn't use low end hardware. Apple uses mid-range hardware. But yes, the high end price tag on mid-range hardware is a problem for most people.
How do you keep up with all this? and please tell me you somehow finanically profit off this knowledge you have.
Macs have one real purpose and that is multimedia/video editing. (My reason for owning)
Thing with the Mac, if you are just using it for school and gaming, do yourself a favor and buy a PC. PCs are cheaper and unless you NEED a Mac it isnt worth buying.
On Topic: being that GW1 wasnt on Mac, I cannot see GW2 being Mac compitable, at least not at launch.
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"1000W PSU"
1000W PSU is not a power supply. If you don't know exactly what power supply you have, then it's probably cheap junk, and there's a decent chance that it should be replaced.
"The reality is that if you pay the same amount for a PC laptop it would have greater hardware specs unless you are foolish enough to buy from Alienware or some other such company that forces n00b consumers to believe they can produce a superior product."
Actually, for gaming purposes, spending the same money on an Alienware M17x or M18x as on a MacBook Pro will get you a vastly superior gaming machine from Alienware. Well, if you configure it properly, that is. Maybe you pay an extra 10% to get it from Alienware rather than some other vendor. But that sure beats paying more than double to get it from Apple.
"Using this macbook for school is perfect because i can sit in a days worht of lextures and still have enough battery power to go home and jerk off, and even leave it on afterwards for a few hours and not have to worry about its battery life."
If you want a gaming machine with good battery life, then the only serious option is one based on an AMD Llano APU. Apple doesn't even offer that, so you'd have to dismiss MacBook Pros out of hand.
"And the iPad is probably the most tablet hardware-wise known to man."
The Apple A4 in the iPad isn't remotely competitive on hardware performance with AMD's Desna APU, as used in this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152278
Even Apple A5 in the iPad 2 isn't competitive. The Apple A5 probably does offer lower power consumption than Desna, as there are trade-offs between performance and power consumption, and 5.9 W for Desna is quite a bit for a tablet.
Perhaps more importantly, Apple offers an OS which is designed to work well on tablets, unlike Windows 7. But that's software, not hardware. ARM Cortex A15 cores might be competitive with Bobcat cores, but those aren't coming for at least another year, so Apple can't compete on hardware specs unless they want to move iOS to x86, which they probably won't--and shouldn't.
Owning Apple products is sort of like going down to the local Walmart and ordering a Big Mac at the McDonalds in there.
Apple IS the man.
Except its like a $20 Big Mac.
I loled.
Sure, they do well with the ipods and ipads, but I still can't explain that; I can't stand them. I think it mostly has to do with being the first and penetrating the market with campaigns that sink into the minds of people.
But they are a tiny market share with PCs, and for good reason. They are worse than PCs at everything (yes, including video/graphics; that's a ridiculous, blatant, hilarious, and at times enraging lie).
I imagine they will make a version for Macs. Many large games do, and I think they want to reach as many people as possible. But I can't imagine it will get the same level of support or caring as PC will. But that has nothing to do with how demonstrably worse Macs are, but rather that there are not enough players using Macs to warrant it.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
The facetiousness is strong with this one.
I know that's a joke, but still, it's not really a true one, it's a stereotype perpetrated by Apple's marketing and people who don't like Mac fans. I know a few Mac owners myself, and really they just like how the hardware and software works, they're artistic types and it suits them. A PC is a very robust thing, but until Windows 7, it wasn't really a sexy, sleek, user-friendly thing.
For people who aren't geeks, pre-7 Windows could be pretty intimidating. Vista because of the bugs and performance issues, and XP because itw as a complete bastard of an OS, through and through. And I say this as a Windows user. I'm a geek myself, I like Windows and Linux, but I have to tip the hat of accessibility to Apple. I mean, they even do things like per-window zoom on applications, that's cool shit right there. Windows 7 is just about barely managing full screen zoom, but it can only be used when Aero is on, and Aero is such a system hog.
There's a lot that Windows can learn from OS X, really, and there are things that OS X could learn from your average household computer when it comes to being more robust and reliable, especially from Linux. But at the end of the day even a Macintosh is just a PC, it all uses PC architecture anyway. So blah.
I just think that Mac users are treated kind of unfairly. Much like some geeks are, some gamers, some sci-fi fans, some tabletop players, some furries... blah. Internet. Why are you so xenophobic?
I don't know, man. I just think that there's room enough for everyone.
Some of them might be a bit hipster, but they're the bane of Mac users too, which not everyone realises. I think that Mac users are trying to fix their image as much as gamers are. I mean, look at us, we have no-lifers who devote their life to a pointless MMORPG, but that's not all of us, now is it? And it's an image and a philosophy that I tend to combat wherever and whenever I can, since I think we're better than that. And I don't want to be judged by that standard as a gamer.
Likewise, I won't judge others by stereotypes, either.
Mac stores are still scary with a post modern orwellian architecture.
And how is that that much worse than PC gaming stores? The GAME I have local to me is poorly lit, skanky, and staffed by creepy people who follow me around, sound like they're half dead, act like they would do anything to make a sale, and smell weird. I try to avoid going there as much as possible. For that very reason I prefer buying things online, instead. But am I to be judged by my local GAME store?
Frankly, visiting GAME makes me feel skanky, and I very much dislike feeling skanky. The problem here is that you're making the assumption that all Mac users actually enjoy the Apple approach to their stores, which may not at all be the case. This is what I'm getting at, really, there's a whole lot of assumption going on here and a whole lot of stereotyping, but not a smidgeon of fairness.
Annoyingly, this is something I notice with gamers and it's something I fight. This is why I dislike games trying to make them racist so much, because it works. Many gamers that I have met have been sexist, racist, misogynyst, misanthropic, xenophobic, hateful, and generally just view the world through a lens of stereotyping. And often the hateful stereotyping that the gamers i've interacted with makes me hate them.
Really, I think that the gaming sub culture could be so much better than that.
As it is though, I feel that everything the press said about us in the '90s was right.
They were just ahead of their time, they wasted their headlines too early, because whilst they may not have applied then, they do apply now. Do those headlines apply to you? Well, that's not for me to say, but if you reall want to be the kind of open-minded gamer that I could respect, then you should probably step away from the stereotypes.
(GAME is a UK videogame retailer, just FYI.)
I'm one of the guys who have always used both. Both are awesome. Windows 7 is my favorite Windows OS ever and I think MS took a lot of looks at OSX for it. Snow Leopard is also really good, and very light.
I own a high end 24'' Mac (early 2008 model) and yeah, it would struggle with games like Crysis, but there is a reason for it. - Imac contains Laptop components. It's actual renamed laptop graphics inside of them. They are very thin, are supposed to be quiet. It's a computer in a screen.
There is nothing wrong with them. It' has a high quality IPS display, it's very bright, it's very solid design - No palstic on the chassis. Basically a solid piece of aluminium. And then you are paying for highly condensed components to save space.
Imac is a great computer, but if you want to be the king of gaming, it's not really what you need. And Mac Pro is almost overkill. Mac Pro is more for Video Editors who are doing 4K.
The new Macbook Pro 13'' went back to integrated graphics, after the earlier model had 320m Nvidia graphics (a low end, decent card for low resolution play on some games). It's probably because the Sandybrige architecture required a redesign, and there was no fit for a dedicated GPU. Or perhaps Apple just do not care about graphics in their 13''?
I think the 13'' is the ideal Laptop. I haven't come across many powerful ones that are both stylish, powerful, light and have great battery life. If I had the money I would get a Sony Vaio SB! It has a 6630m card inside, which is quite powerful for a sublight notebook, and the machine is quite sexy too. It has a slice battery that you can put underneath the laptop that can give it up to 13-15 hours (Sonys estimates...) but we all know battery runs are often bogus due to the way they test:)
At the end of the day, I think doing a GW2 Mac port would be very difficult. OpenGL is not exactly developers favorite thing right now. I think even Carmack is shying away from it, with Rage...? It's too bad direct X is only on Windows. If it was on Mac, PC Games should with relative ease be playable on Mac. That would be cool.
maybe after a year or 2 in the market but from the get go ?i dont know why they would bother if they just make it so it work on w7 they will get a possible 400 million player pool!plenty to overwelm even the best server .i sure hope they support only w7 so we ll get smoother game play less old bug from xp and vista era etc!i am sorry for the other os user but w7 as been out long enough and market penetration is so huge that by the time gw2 gets out the w7 market pool will probably be around 800 million!
1. It's a joke.
2. There really are Apple fans like that. Really. If there aren't, then apparently my crusade has succeeded, and my job here is done.
3. You judge by stereotypes all the time. I just accused some Apple fans of being hipsters. Hardly the worst thing you could ever be accused of. You called healers in the holy trinity racist xenophobic gaybashing jerks who are the worst scum of the Earth. Pot kettle. Glass house. Etc etc.
Did you really say a Mac Pro is overkill? In what sense? You're paying a base $3,000 dollars and it doesn't even have the capabilities to run a game like BBC2 at max settings. That is overkill, in the subpar performance department for your dollars.
Who plays games on a Mac? This is 2011.
Yeah, but the problem is not that OS X is bad, I don't like it but it is a good OS. The problem is that you're paying basically thousands of dollars for the Apple sign, and the OS. Because, the hardware sure as hell doesn't warrant it. I could get the hardware in a Mac Pro for probably around $1,000, but they sell it at $2,999. That is the server model. I could even go to a boutique builder that will build me a system that is crafted better than an Apple Computer, overclocked, sufficiently cooled, for around $1,100 or $1,200 with the same hardware. My problem with Apple is the lowend hardware at high end custom rig prices.
ThIs, many times over!
"The new Macbook Pro 13'' went back to integrated graphics, after the earlier model had 320m Nvidia graphics"
The GeForce 320M was also integrated graphics. It was custom integrated graphics that Nvidia did just for Apple. It was based on the GT216 GPU that was originally used in the GeForce GT 220. At the time, it was also the best integrated graphics ever made, though it has since been greatly surpassed by Llano.
"It's probably because the Sandybrige architecture required a redesign, and there was no fit for a dedicated GPU. Or perhaps Apple just do not care about graphics in their 13''?"
Intel won't let Nvidia make chipsets for any Intel processors more recent than Penryn. So Apple's choices were, use a processor architecture that launched in 2007, use Intel's awful integrated graphics, get a discrete card, or use an AMD processor. They went with the third option in the larger MacBook Pros, but that doesn't fit well in a 13" form factor. None of the other options were appealing, so they went with the second.
"If I had the money I would get a Sony Vaio SB! It has a 6630m card inside, which is quite powerful for a sublight notebook"
It's also only slightly faster than Radeon HD 6620G integrated graphics. So you get all of the drawbacks of a discrete card, without much of a performance benefit. Bad idea.
"It has a slice battery that you can put underneath the laptop that can give it up to 13-15 hours (Sonys estimates...) but we all know battery runs are often bogus due to the way they test:)"
If battery life matters to you, then Llano with integrated graphics beats Sandy Bridge with integrated graphics. And they both beat anything with a discrete card by a huge margin.
"It's too bad direct X is only on Windows."
The whole point of DirectX is to be exclusive to Windows. The reason Windows caught on is that Microsoft makes it easy to develop software for it. The DirectX API is how Microsoft does that for games in particular.
"Frankly, visiting GAME makes me feel skanky, and I very much dislike feeling skanky."
There are still people who visit retailers? You should learn about some newfangled thing called the Internet over there.
"My problem with Apple is the lowend hardware at high end custom rig prices."
Apple doesn't use low end hardware. Apple uses mid-range hardware. But yes, the high end price tag on mid-range hardware is a problem for most people.
"Mac because I'm using it in college to do gaming, and school works."
"Mac using it in college to do gaming, and school works."
"Mac college to do gaming, and school works."
"Mac gaming, and school works"
Do yourself a favor and get a PC
"It has potential"
-Second most used phrase on existence
"It sucks"
-Most used phrase on existence
Meh when it comes to their GPU selection vs. the 6970 or gtx 580 in my book I would say it's lowend lol. But that's debatable, and for the most part you're right it's midranged hardware. Still, there are no bonuses for the thousands of dollars you pour down the drain to them that I find worthy.
Face it, you want a Mac because you think it's Indie.
Fair warning for school work: NOTHING is compatible. At least in the field I was in.
Obvious warning for gaming: Bad idea. Buy a PC.
Guild Wars 2!
How do you keep up with all this? and please tell me you somehow finanically profit off this knowledge you have.
^ The Voice of Reason