SWTOR has graphics and character animations that far out-weighs WOW
In my opinion. I leave you to make your own opinion, but in my eyes you couldn't be more wrong.
Good examples. I can't really understand what the OP is talking about.
I only watched the first video.
I see no issues with either the walking, running or combat animations except for perhaps the 6 million dollar man slow mo effect, but I assume that was intentionally done by the author.
Looked pretty fun to play.... good enough for me anyways.
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With your thread & statements in mind, i have to ask - Troll?
I'm not really sure why you would think I'm a troll. I've been to a few conventions and have seen live footage of the game. Not the staged trailers that have been released by Bioware.
One thing is the style of animations, were one will prefer the other over another. But character & combat animations in SWTOR are nothing near what you claim it to be, infact id say its excactly the opposite. How about you take a look at the youtube links in the thread - and perhaps you will realize it really aint all that you claim it to be.
Well here's some raw gameplay footage, not the "cinematic" style youtube videos posted earlier in the thread. You also should keep in mind that I didn't say the animations were terrible in my OP, just that they were subpar. I think they are OK currently, but I'm not sure OK is good enough any more (my opinion, of course). One thing that I left out of my OP is that there is 0 variety in the combat animations, which also makes it feel very stale.
Could you link where you find the info regarding the small planets & small explorable areas? Id very much like to read up on that. Besides with 17 planets ready at launch i believe there should be more then plenty of content to start out with.
You can disregard that part, I was only making a statement based on my feelings of the game, I cannot discuss this. I will say though that I'm sure there will be plenty of story content, but I'm not so sure there will be much explorer-type content.
I guess my 2 cents are im very much content with the animations in SWTOR. How everything else pans out in SWTOR is left to be seen - but im feeling optimistic.
That's great that you are happy with the animation quality, I am not.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
You're probably right. And if you asked me specifically to point out things that are wrong with the animations I could only tell you it's the limited attack animations and the reactionary animations moving into attack animations not flowing at all. Other than that there's just something that's off about the animations in my opinion. I can't put my finger on it, but when actually playing the game it's way more apparent than watching videos.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
That's great that you are happy with the animation quality, I am not.
I honestly really like the look of the character animations and see absolutely no issues. The thing about ... well, anything, is that no one thing can please everyone. Unfortunately the game isn't for you, and you should move along and find a game that is more up to your standards. Don't feel bad, though: it's not made for people like me, either, who have shitty, rundown computers that barely play anything.
The character animations will likely be more polished than they are now at launch, but they aren't going to change entirely, especially not for the few vocal people on this forum who don't enjoy them -- or this very short, highly opinionated open letter that they'll never read.
Well here's some raw gameplay footage, not the "cinematic" style youtube videos posted earlier in the thread. You also should keep in mind that I didn't say the animations were terrible in my OP, just that they were subpar. I think they are OK currently, but I'm not sure OK is good enough any more (my opinion, of course). One thing that I left out of my OP is that there is 0 variety in the combat animations, which also makes it feel very stale.
Well here's some raw gameplay footage, not the "cinematic" style youtube videos posted earlier in the thread. You also should keep in mind that I didn't say the animations were terrible in my OP, just that they were subpar. I think they are OK currently, but I'm not sure OK is good enough any more (my opinion, of course). One thing that I left out of my OP is that there is 0 variety in the combat animations, which also makes it feel very stale.
That is hands down the best melee combat animation I've ever seen in an MMO.
I think the stance looks weird with dual handed saber.
See this from Pax build. single lightsaber.. origin Sith Warrior (take 1080p quality) :
You see smoother transistion. They must have updated the animation system in the pax and e3 builds. People just dont know because there are so many old trailers with the much crappier animations.
Actually, there are a crazy amount of SWTOR trailers.
With your thread & statements in mind, i have to ask - Troll?
I'm not really sure why you would think I'm a troll. I've been to a few conventions and have seen live footage of the game. Not the staged trailers that have been released by Bioware.
One thing is the style of animations, were one will prefer the other over another. But character & combat animations in SWTOR are nothing near what you claim it to be, infact id say its excactly the opposite. How about you take a look at the youtube links in the thread - and perhaps you will realize it really aint all that you claim it to be.
Well here's some raw gameplay footage, not the "cinematic" style youtube videos posted earlier in the thread. You also should keep in mind that I didn't say the animations were terrible in my OP, just that they were subpar. I think they are OK currently, but I'm not sure OK is good enough any more (my opinion, of course). One thing that I left out of my OP is that there is 0 variety in the combat animations, which also makes it feel very stale.
Could you link where you find the info regarding the small planets & small explorable areas? Id very much like to read up on that. Besides with 17 planets ready at launch i believe there should be more then plenty of content to start out with.
You can disregard that part, I was only making a statement based on my feelings of the game, I cannot discuss this. I will say though that I'm sure there will be plenty of story content, but I'm not so sure there will be much explorer-type content.
I guess my 2 cents are im very much content with the animations in SWTOR. How everything else pans out in SWTOR is left to be seen - but im feeling optimistic.
That's great that you are happy with the animation quality, I am not.
First of all, i do apologize if sounded abit harsh before, that was not my intention. I was simply baffled and couldent really understand if we were truly looking at the same game - therefore the Troll remark aswell.
Well you did say it was subpar and you didnt say it was terrible - just Stiff, ugly, unnatural & choppy. ( Terrible?)
Im glad to hear the part about the planets ( im guessing that involves the companion part aswell from your first statement )
I guess we can agree to disagree.
I do hope it will grow on you, cause im quite convinced this game will be quite a blast. And taking into account its still a work in progress/polish you might find more contend at release.
Well here's some raw gameplay footage, not the "cinematic" style youtube videos posted earlier in the thread. You also should keep in mind that I didn't say the animations were terrible in my OP, just that they were subpar. I think they are OK currently, but I'm not sure OK is good enough any more (my opinion, of course). One thing that I left out of my OP is that there is 0 variety in the combat animations, which also makes it feel very stale.
That is hands down the best melee combat animation I've ever seen in an MMO.
I think the stance looks weird with dual handed saber.
See this from Pax build. single lightsaber.. origin Sith Warrior (take 1080p quality) :
You see smoother transistion. They must have updated the animation system in the pax and e3 builds. People just dont know because there are so many old trailers with the much crappier animations.
Actually, there are a crazy amount of SWTOR trailers.
Yea the running stance holding the 2 lightsaber looks weird to me too. You could cut someone while running with the blade on lol.
Well here's some raw gameplay footage, not the "cinematic" style youtube videos posted earlier in the thread. You also should keep in mind that I didn't say the animations were terrible in my OP, just that they were subpar. I think they are OK currently, but I'm not sure OK is good enough any more (my opinion, of course). One thing that I left out of my OP is that there is 0 variety in the combat animations, which also makes it feel very stale.
The OP references actual gameplay as the game existed at shows that he OP attended. I am wondering if this is a case of over-scrutinizing. Is it realistic to hold the game to this standard? The WoW comparison is ill thought out at best, as the graphics are so different as be be nearly incomparable. I personally wish MMO's would have animations like Assassin's Creed (I'm not a console gamer) but I will trade limited animation look/variation for giant worlds, etc. Given the sheer volume of time spent in the game, it would be hard to see how they could vary the animations sufficiently.
As an animator by trade, I see a lot of annoyances in game animation. Actually, most animators don't play games because of their inherant annoyances with bad animation. WoW is no expection. Tiny details like the player staying completely stationary while riding a mount, no hip turning, very bad "reflexive" actions... really bug the crap out of animators.
While SWTOR looks ok, there are alot of problems. For some reason, no game developers realize that your hips turn on a walk cycle. You can look up any quality cycle by guys like Richard Williams, who specialize in cartoon animation, but follow the "principles of animation" to a tee. These principle are important in any animation style, since exaggeration is necessary for animation to look fluid and not too "perfect."
Biggest issues with SWTOR animations from me are the lack of reflexive action when the guns fire, or the deflections occur (no kickback in the shoulders, turning of the torso, jarring of the arms) and no hip movement or shoulder articulation in the walk cycle. I do feel that SWTOR has solid animations for what it is - put Pixar it is not.
Run/walk cycles in games almost always leave much to be desired - SWTOR does a good job for being a game. But, no game has achieved the level of animation you see in directly related media.
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I only watched the first video.
I see no issues with either the walking, running or combat animations except for perhaps the 6 million dollar man slow mo effect, but I assume that was intentionally done by the author.
Looked pretty fun to play.... good enough for me anyways.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
You're probably right. And if you asked me specifically to point out things that are wrong with the animations I could only tell you it's the limited attack animations and the reactionary animations moving into attack animations not flowing at all. Other than that there's just something that's off about the animations in my opinion. I can't put my finger on it, but when actually playing the game it's way more apparent than watching videos.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
I honestly really like the look of the character animations and see absolutely no issues. The thing about ... well, anything, is that no one thing can please everyone. Unfortunately the game isn't for you, and you should move along and find a game that is more up to your standards. Don't feel bad, though: it's not made for people like me, either, who have shitty, rundown computers that barely play anything.
The character animations will likely be more polished than they are now at launch, but they aren't going to change entirely, especially not for the few vocal people on this forum who don't enjoy them -- or this very short, highly opinionated open letter that they'll never read.
Try a class that actually has a lot of movement instead of shooting a gun... aka the Marauder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tUlaLP1vkM
(it's live gameplay btw)
That is hands down the best melee combat animation I've ever seen in an MMO.
I think the stance looks weird with dual handed saber.
See this from Pax build. single lightsaber.. origin Sith Warrior (take 1080p quality) :
You see smoother transistion. They must have updated the animation system in the pax and e3 builds. People just dont know because there are so many old trailers with the much crappier animations.
Actually, there are a crazy amount of SWTOR trailers.
First of all, i do apologize if sounded abit harsh before, that was not my intention. I was simply baffled and couldent really understand if we were truly looking at the same game - therefore the Troll remark aswell.
Well you did say it was subpar and you didnt say it was terrible - just Stiff, ugly, unnatural & choppy. ( Terrible?)
Im glad to hear the part about the planets ( im guessing that involves the companion part aswell from your first statement )
I guess we can agree to disagree.
I do hope it will grow on you, cause im quite convinced this game will be quite a blast. And taking into account its still a work in progress/polish you might find more contend at release.
Sincerly Nick.
Yea the running stance holding the 2 lightsaber looks weird to me too. You could cut someone while running with the blade on lol.
Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language
To OP, you are absolutely right, fighting animations reminds me of Lotro...dull , stiff and boring....
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I'm not a fan of the animations either, but comparing it to LoTRO? This LoTRO vs what was linked earlier?
Wow
Must say I agree. I have had the same concerns as many has expressed in here concerning graphics and animations but that looks so smooth.
Release this game already....!
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The OP references actual gameplay as the game existed at shows that he OP attended. I am wondering if this is a case of over-scrutinizing. Is it realistic to hold the game to this standard? The WoW comparison is ill thought out at best, as the graphics are so different as be be nearly incomparable. I personally wish MMO's would have animations like Assassin's Creed (I'm not a console gamer) but I will trade limited animation look/variation for giant worlds, etc. Given the sheer volume of time spent in the game, it would be hard to see how they could vary the animations sufficiently.
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As an animator by trade, I see a lot of annoyances in game animation. Actually, most animators don't play games because of their inherant annoyances with bad animation. WoW is no expection. Tiny details like the player staying completely stationary while riding a mount, no hip turning, very bad "reflexive" actions... really bug the crap out of animators.
While SWTOR looks ok, there are alot of problems. For some reason, no game developers realize that your hips turn on a walk cycle. You can look up any quality cycle by guys like Richard Williams, who specialize in cartoon animation, but follow the "principles of animation" to a tee. These principle are important in any animation style, since exaggeration is necessary for animation to look fluid and not too "perfect."
Biggest issues with SWTOR animations from me are the lack of reflexive action when the guns fire, or the deflections occur (no kickback in the shoulders, turning of the torso, jarring of the arms) and no hip movement or shoulder articulation in the walk cycle. I do feel that SWTOR has solid animations for what it is - put Pixar it is not.
Run/walk cycles in games almost always leave much to be desired - SWTOR does a good job for being a game. But, no game has achieved the level of animation you see in directly related media.