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Bergir
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Go buy Knights of the Old Republic 1 or 2, either one will do, for about 9 bucks on steam or D2D.
Play right to the very end and if you want more and i mean you're really craving more, then buy this game without any hesitation because at its core it's what this game is all about.
I mention really "craving" more as this is an mmo, meant to played for years and years like WoW, or EQ and don't forget you are paying a monthly sub so you want to make sure you have the crave for it because it's going to be the same game month after month, year after year.
If you're falling asleep playing either game above then you might want to wait for a free pass, or major price drop, or simply don't bother at all like my kids have decided once the realized it's an online version of kotor.
If you're like me whom has played both games above multiple times to the end then i think we all may be in for a real treat. However, I'm waiting till about March next year, you know once all the hype is over, the explosive rage has dwindled after launch because this isn't the game most people have hyped out in their minds for the last several years, and the fanbois have moved on fanboi'ing another game, basically when things are much more calm and i can pick the game up for a song due to a mass exodus of subs.
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Neither game has aged that well. Many will find the game mechanics archaic and graphics outdated. I know some won't care but many will. The same things with Baldur's Gate series, great games but have not aged that well.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
I have played them both and have done so over and over. So yeah, I pre-ordered the game.
I love the KotOR series, but i hate people.
I'm having high hopes for the story of TOR but if there's any forced grouping involved with the main storyline, that's going to be a real problem for me. Probably enough to toss the game right there and then.
Why do all my favorite franchises have to go MMO, bloody hell.
Well what are you doing on MMORPG.com then? This site is entirely about games that are Massively 'Multiplayer'.
Oh and OP I really don't think people should really use the first two games as references to figure out whether they'll like SWTOR. Combat is a major component in most games. And I think it's safe to say that the combat in SWTOR is not going to be anything like in the singleplayer games. There's no pausing and there's no queueing up your attacks.
I'm having mixed feelings about SWTOR so I'm not trying to persuade people either way. But, I don't want people to get the WRONG impression. I mean I'm kind of kicking myself for once again preordering without a thought, rather than wait to see how the game really plays out and then buying. Oh well. I swear I won't make the same mistake again.
Almost every one who loves games is gonna pick this one up, even most of the nay sayer's. People bitch and whine about everything, always have and always will.
Theme parks are fun for the ride. I dont care how good they are, Once I get to cap I get bored. Cant do the same things over and over and over, probably has something to do with my age. So when I Unsub after 2-3 months or what ever, did I get my money's worth? Yes I probably did, unless it was a real stinker.
Sandboxes can be fun too, but the problem with them is it's totally up to the people playing to create the entertainment and I have not seen that magic come together for years. You need good role player's and I'm sorry to say that I think the younger generation just are'nt into it.
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I never noticed in my 5 years of being here, thank you captain obvious.
I hate people, but that doesn't mean i can't enjoy the writings of the individual. Besides, with all my favorite franchises being made into MMOs i like to keep tabs on what one is going to be next.
I was hoping that it would differ quite a bit from Kotor, but everything I see and read is making this more apparent its not. I played both Kotor, they were ok once over. Like OP I will wait quite a while to see how it goes.
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So what you're saying is Bioware games don't age well. Doesn't bode well for their new MMO.
I don't think the game will have dropped in price by March, but they'll definately have trials... Jedi Trials.
Really, though, the game looks solid as is. I enjoy the themepark experience, and I'm looking forward to gorging myself on the massive story lines. Typically I do what the OP has suggested and wait a bit before purchasing to give them a chance to work out the kinks, and to clear out the enormous crush of new players that crowd the newbie areas, but with the advent of early access it seems like they're trying to space out the newbie crowds.
The only thing I don't agree with (from the info they've released so far) is the cover system being limited to just smuggler and agent when clearly all ranged classes should be able to figure out how to hide behind a crate or a wall. That's basic instinct in a fire fight. And I get it, they wanted that to be a special mechanic for those two classes to make up for their lack of armor protection, and from a game balance standpoint I'm sure it's fine. It's just that it breaks suspension of disbelief that my military trained soldier is going to let his face get melted off in head on blaster fire when there's a decent sized rock right next to him.
I think TOR is closer to the Mass Effect series than KotOR. At least all the videos I've seen involving dialog choices are more simular to ME.
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So you can be disappointed that other people are in it? I don't understand how those who want to distance themselves from others still play mmorpgs. Especially this one where they may be making a couple decisions for you. I guess if you like the TOR games that much, and just want to give them your money to quit the next day thats your call. I hope you get something out of it.
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I never played the KOTOR games, but Star Wars has always held a special place in my heart. I also love MMOs so the two just came together well. I can't play single player games anymore after so many years of multiplayer I get lonely, heh.
The game just looks like the dev team gave it a solid attempt, and thats enough for me to give it a go.
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Give me TOR as a single-player game and i'd leave the MMO well alone, since that isn't happening i'll have to put up with people being immersion breakers and illiterate fuckwits as usual, if you want to fault me for not liking that, fine, but you have absolutely no right to decide where my money goes.
Of course, i may never have to group up with the undesireables to get the story, but i'm dreading that i will at some point need the questionable help of Jimmy Nitwit and his lolling band of munchkins and powergamers.
And it's KotOR games btw, TOR is the mmo.
KOTOR had stiff combat just like SWTOR seems to have. The story elements are GREAT tho. They give great context to cutting things to pieces or blasting things arms off. That's what I want.
Once the "story" elements ae worn out for a class - which would take over 6 hours a day every day for a month to do in the first month, then the normal elements of grinding out the endgame will kick in. Give me a Rancor monster boss and a jetpack, and I will use your game for a glorified chat roon. Hell yeah!
I am looking forward to this game. It could really end up being a game that you play once for 2 months. Take a break and then play another story arc for 2 months then take a break - with that break being lessened by finishing of a given month PVPing and raiding.
Seems like a good formula to me. I just hope the combat isn't too stiff.
Someone please make a good MMO.
This.
For one, the second KoTOR game wasn't made by BioWare specifically (though it was made with their engine). For two, BioWare games have evolved quite a bit.
The combat will be much faster paced and fluid compared to the KOTOR games. There will be lots of players around you as well, and there will also be PvP, solid crafting, etc.
TOR will have a story like KOTOR did for each player, yes, that is a similarity, and the stories will intermingle between 1 and 2 and TOR, but thats about where the similarities end. TOR is different in pretty much every other way possible. Combat, graphics, world size, story scope, massively multiplayer, vast worlds and world quests to go along with that.
I dont agree with the premise of this OP. I am for the first time near the end of KOTOR. I am at the part where I have all the star forge maps and helped the oppossing faction (the good ones) at the end defeat the bad ones (the ones that start with an R lol). Im going to enter the temple tonight.
Anyway, I find the graphics are just soooooooo old, too many loading screens, horrible UI, and way too linear. However, despite all that, Im somewhat enjoying the game to a degree because Im using it just to make sure I understand the story better in SWTOR. I haven't decided if I will play KOTOR even though I have it loaded with the restoration Mod which makes it better and finishes the game. I also loaded Witcher 2 and Oblivion so not sure Ill have time before SWTOR lol. If it wasn't for SWTOR, I would never have played KOTOR with the issues I mentioned. Maybe back when it was released I should have lol.
My concerns over KOTOR are not issues with SWTOR. It is open world, very little loading of anything, graphics MUCH better than KOTOR, UI is better, branching story, you can go to any area even if it means you will die :-), I think Im going to love SWTOR :-)
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Except that TOR isn't just like Kotor 1 & 2.
Apparently, it's like playing Kotor 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 - all in a row, without taking a break. And then, the story is over. FINALLY! Oh no, wait - that was just a class story! There's still Kotor 6,7,8,9,10... ...36,37,38,39, and 40. Featuring lots of recycled content, "filler episodes", reruns of episodes you've already seen...
Tell me, honestly: How many Kotor games do you want to play in a row? How many can you take until you get really bored of it, even if you like the series? I know that 5 is probably already too much for me.
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I could play 30 KOTOR games in a row. And then start over and play them again.
I play KOTOR 1 and 2 every year, and have since I first purchased them.
I see a LOT of KOTOR in SWTOR. But of course the dialogue system is more like ME....but that is the evolution of Bioware's games.
The difference here, is that once the story is over in SWTOR, the game doesn't end. Leaving me to continue to explore, RP, raid, PVP, and generally enjoy the game in an open-ended fashion.
so far from the videos i have seen over the past 2 years, i like this game. but to get a real answer, have to wait until release.
i have played both kotor and i enjoyed them.
I found KOTOR dreadfully boring and quit probably 2/3rds of the way through. I never bothered with the sequel. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy the MMO, but it certainly isn't being made with me in mind. I don't consider this "my" star wars as it's all LONG before the original trilogy and not canon.
Nope that is not what I am saying. Besides MMOs do need to upgrade their graphics from time to time.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
not every one can afford super computer i dont care about grachics besides grachics is not important its the game play.
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The underline text of this post is factually false.
LucasArts has the final say on what is canon and what isn't and TOR era is considered canon.
KOTOR by and large is considered canon with Raven as a male.
KOTOR2 is kinda being ret-conned (cause Obisidian put some stuff that LA doesn't want) although the the main char (The Exile) is a female and canon.
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i liked both Kotor's, even jedi academy tbh...
i LOVE both ME games, and never was really dissapointed with BW game (DA2 was close though)
i love SW franchise, if U dont look at prequels too seriously
and i love what we've seen so far about TOR
so obviously i have already CE preorder...
but
saying that if someone likes or not some game made by creators of future MMO YEARS ago he will like new thing they are creating... is just wrong
i was never able to force my self to play Warcraft 1 or 2, cheated my whole way trough Warcraft 3, and played it only few months after buying WoW just to understand story of WoW better... i truly dislike RTS (love HOMM series
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and yet...i played WoW for years
so liking old KOTOR have nothing to do with liking SW:TOR, i would even go as far as to say that there are some people who loved KOTOR so much they are now whining on official forums that Revan should be an operation boss not just flashpoint, and that SW:TOR will be a dissaster because it thoesnt follow KOTOR more...
in short... i totally dissagree with most of what OP stated
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Its not so straight forward as op states. I tried playing KOTOR and I was repulsed by its engine and graphics. Also, you character was mute...I still think it was a great game, maybe I will still play it through one day. I loved mass effect though, its my favourite game. So when I look at TOR from that storytelling aspect, its a must buy for me.
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