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  • C0MAdeletedC0MAdeleted Member Posts: 8

    You guys got baited... The OP is just negative and wanted some attention.

    You could say "I played it at a convention" he would reply "Controlled atmosphere not a complete product"

    "I saw videos" "Videos aren't playing"

    "I researched every aspect of the game" "Research isn't personally playing to end game to decide if you truly like the game"

     

    It simply doesn't matter what you say like I for instance spent 50 bucks on a ticket to watch the MLB worst Houston Astros, I didn't know who would win or what would happen, it could have been a boring game where nothing happens and the final score is 1-0 but I still paid hoping to enjoy something exciting. At least when you purchase MMO's you get 30 days of entertainment with it.

  • Kain_DaleKain_Dale Member UncommonPosts: 378

    Originally posted by C0MA

    You guys got baited... The OP is just negative and wanted some attention.

    You could say "I played it at a convention" he would reply "Controlled atmosphere not a complete product"

    "I saw videos" "Videos aren't playing"

    "I researched every aspect of the game" "Research isn't personally playing to end game to decide if you truly like the game"

     

    It simply doesn't matter what you say like I for instance spent 50 bucks on a ticket to watch the MLB worst Houston Astros, I didn't know who would win or what would happen, it could have been a boring game where nothing happens and the final score is 1-0 but I still paid hoping to enjoy something exciting. At least when you purchase MMO's you get 30 days of entertainment with it.

        Since when I said negative things AFTER those "trolls or warrior" came along?"   Its funny how people against everything online to make themself look better, including you.

     

    But really... Im just saying good luck to u people that hope game works out good for u because i know some people will not be happy with any game that they pre-ordered.  Good or bad... just a good luck.  Isnt this too hard to comprehend?  There is nothing to fight over to win the best comment of the thread.

    Kain_Dale

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by Atlan99

    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    good for those people who pre-ordered....

     

    I would never buy a game that i never played... I rather beta or free-trial first....

     

     

    Good luck to u guys that it is worth to your bang buck.

    Thank you.

     

    Good luck to those waiting for a free trial. Something tells me you are going to be waiting awhile.

     

    I don't think he will, not all that long anyhow.

    I suspect in fact we will ee a very similar pattern as we saw with Rift, but only more so- heavy initial take up with a haemorrhage of players at the 2-3 month mark.

    I would expect we will see a trial program by months 4 or 5. At least we will if they are not arrogant or stupid.

  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529

    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    good for those people who pre-ordered....

     

    I would never buy a game that i never played... I rather beta or free-trial first....

     

     

    Good luck to u guys that it is worth to your bang buck.

    Thank you!

    I pre-order tonnes of games. Fifa, COD, Halo, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, NFL, NHL, NBA2K etc so don't see a problem. ^_^

    Gdemami -
    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • Atlan99Atlan99 Member UncommonPosts: 1,332

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    good for those people who pre-ordered....

     

    I would never buy a game that i never played... I rather beta or free-trial first....

     

     

    Good luck to u guys that it is worth to your bang buck.

    Thank you.

     

    Good luck to those waiting for a free trial. Something tells me you are going to be waiting awhile.

     

    I don't think he will, not all that long anyhow.

    I suspect in fact we will ee a very similar pattern as we saw with Rift, but only more so- heavy initial take up with a haemorrhage of players at the 2-3 month mark.

    I would expect we will see a trial program by months 4 or 5. At least we will if they are not arrogant or stupid.

    This isn't Rift. SWTOR has sold over 200,000 pre-orders and they haven't even announced a release date.

    They aren't going to have a trial program because they aren't going to need it.

    I would be surprised if they have a free trial within the first year of release.

  • Kain_DaleKain_Dale Member UncommonPosts: 378

    Originally posted by Atlan99

    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    good for those people who pre-ordered....

     

    I would never buy a game that i never played... I rather beta or free-trial first....

     

     

    Good luck to u guys that it is worth to your bang buck.

    Thank you.

     

    Good luck to those waiting for a free trial. Something tells me you are going to be waiting awhile.

     

    I don't think he will, not all that long anyhow.

    I suspect in fact we will ee a very similar pattern as we saw with Rift, but only more so- heavy initial take up with a haemorrhage of players at the 2-3 month mark.

    I would expect we will see a trial program by months 4 or 5. At least we will if they are not arrogant or stupid.

    This isn't Rift. SWTOR has sold over 200,000 pre-orders and they haven't even announced a release date.

    They aren't going to have a trial program because they aren't going to need it.

    I would be surprised if they have a free trial within the first year of release.

    Oh my god.... maybe 1 year or 2 with no free-trial is gonna kill me! Pfft...

    Kain_Dale

  • Atlan99Atlan99 Member UncommonPosts: 1,332

    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    good for those people who pre-ordered....

     

    I would never buy a game that i never played... I rather beta or free-trial first....

     

     

    Good luck to u guys that it is worth to your bang buck.

    Thank you.

     

    Good luck to those waiting for a free trial. Something tells me you are going to be waiting awhile.

     

    I don't think he will, not all that long anyhow.

    I suspect in fact we will ee a very similar pattern as we saw with Rift, but only more so- heavy initial take up with a haemorrhage of players at the 2-3 month mark.

    I would expect we will see a trial program by months 4 or 5. At least we will if they are not arrogant or stupid.

    This isn't Rift. SWTOR has sold over 200,000 pre-orders and they haven't even announced a release date.

    They aren't going to have a trial program because they aren't going to need it.

    I would be surprised if they have a free trial within the first year of release.

    Oh my god.... maybe 1 year or 2 with no free-trial is gonna kill me! Pfft...

    Oh my god.... maybe only 50,000,000 profit this year for SWTOR instead of 50,000,050 is going to kill Bioware! Pfft.

  • AzothAzoth Member UncommonPosts: 840

    Pre-ordering a game is no riskier than buying it on release, so the good luck wish is kinda out of place. I didnt pre-order the game but I will still buy it. I played all the mmos that came out since UO and I really liked 3 of em. UO, EQ and DAoC. But even then I never regret buying a game. What is 60$ of entertainement supposed to be these days ? To me if you play the game for a month it was totally worth it.  I buy books for 30$ and sometimes they turn out bad, sometimes I go to a restaurent and pay 100$ just to get out and be hungry still.

     

    Life is all about taking risk, you never know when you will find a gem. But I guess if you are struggling between feeding  your kids and buying games the choice is easy ...

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by Atlan99

    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    good for those people who pre-ordered....

     

    I would never buy a game that i never played... I rather beta or free-trial first....

     

     

    Good luck to u guys that it is worth to your bang buck.

    Thank you.

     

    Good luck to those waiting for a free trial. Something tells me you are going to be waiting awhile.

     

    I don't think he will, not all that long anyhow.

    I suspect in fact we will ee a very similar pattern as we saw with Rift, but only more so- heavy initial take up with a haemorrhage of players at the 2-3 month mark.

    I would expect we will see a trial program by months 4 or 5. At least we will if they are not arrogant or stupid.

    This isn't Rift. SWTOR has sold over 200,000 pre-orders and they haven't even announced a release date.

    They aren't going to have a trial program because they aren't going to need it.

    I would be surprised if they have a free trial within the first year of release.

     

    No, it isnt Rift, I didnt say it was, but it sits squarely in the same bracket and shares much in philiosophy and core design.

    The preorders come almost wholly from people who don't know what they are even buying, thanks to EA selling their product with the NDA still up and denying folks an informed choice, and are pretty irrellevant to this point. They have nothing to do with retention.

  • Atlan99Atlan99 Member UncommonPosts: 1,332

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    good for those people who pre-ordered....

     

    I would never buy a game that i never played... I rather beta or free-trial first....

     

     

    Good luck to u guys that it is worth to your bang buck.

    Thank you.

     

    Good luck to those waiting for a free trial. Something tells me you are going to be waiting awhile.

     

    I don't think he will, not all that long anyhow.

    I suspect in fact we will ee a very similar pattern as we saw with Rift, but only more so- heavy initial take up with a haemorrhage of players at the 2-3 month mark.

    I would expect we will see a trial program by months 4 or 5. At least we will if they are not arrogant or stupid.

    This isn't Rift. SWTOR has sold over 200,000 pre-orders and they haven't even announced a release date.

    They aren't going to have a trial program because they aren't going to need it.

    I would be surprised if they have a free trial within the first year of release.

     

    No, it isnt Rift, I didnt say it was, but it sits squarely in the same bracket and shares much in philiosophy and core design.

    The preorders come almost wholly from people who don't know what they are even buying, thanks to EA selling their product with the NDA still up and denying folks an informed choice, and are pretty irrellevant to this point. They have nothing to do with retention.

    I disagree. I believe the preorders come almost wholly from people who know exactly what they are buying. The kind of people who have been following every press release from Bioware since they announced SWTOR.

    It's not like Bioware has been silent on their game. There is a ton of information and videos out available on the game. An unprecedented amount for AAA subscription based MMO.

    You also mention an NDA stll being up. This is fairly standard for a AAA MMO. I can't think of very many that dropped the NDA before launch.

    Last but not least Rift is nothing like a Bioware game.

     

  • ChilliesauceChilliesauce Member Posts: 559

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    good for those people who pre-ordered....

     

    I would never buy a game that i never played... I rather beta or free-trial first....

     

     

    Good luck to u guys that it is worth to your bang buck.

    Thank you.

     

    Good luck to those waiting for a free trial. Something tells me you are going to be waiting awhile.

     

    I don't think he will, not all that long anyhow.

    I suspect in fact we will ee a very similar pattern as we saw with Rift, but only more so- heavy initial take up with a haemorrhage of players at the 2-3 month mark.

    I would expect we will see a trial program by months 4 or 5. At least we will if they are not arrogant or stupid.

    This isn't Rift. SWTOR has sold over 200,000 pre-orders and they haven't even announced a release date.

    They aren't going to have a trial program because they aren't going to need it.

    I would be surprised if they have a free trial within the first year of release.

     

    No, it isnt Rift, I didnt say it was, but it sits squarely in the same bracket and shares much in philiosophy and core design.

    The preorders come almost wholly from people who don't know what they are even buying, thanks to EA selling their product with the NDA still up and denying folks an informed choice, and are pretty irrellevant to this point. They have nothing to do with retention.

    You underestimate intelligence of the people who pre ordered SWTOR and also the influence of Bioware and Sta Wars IP.

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  • UnleadedRevUnleadedRev Member UncommonPosts: 568



    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    I would never buy a game that i never played... I rather beta or free-trial first....


    WISE WORDS....why we all do this as well as myself is a mystery. To put trust in an industry that disapoints more than it pleases us. However, I confess...we all get very excited over pc games and the pre-order bonus makes it even harder to avoid. Also, when it comes to an IP you love, in my case Warhammer 40K, its almost impossible to not pre-order and wait until a review or demo comes out.

    Thus, to each his own...but the OP makes a very very valid case...we never learn.

    In the case of SWTOR, because its Bioware who had a very good track record up until DAII, there is even more trust. However, there are many concerns with SWTOR that can only be addressed by playing the game and that means without a trial or review for the pre-order folks.

  • MazinMazin Member Posts: 640

    OP you have no idea what you want...  Here are two posts you made, back to back no less, on the front page:


    A.) So... your saying  We should buy something blindly that we never used or played with it before?   Doesn't make sense at all.... Its like your buying a car without test-drive... found out after u drove it home that u dont like it? lol


     


    B.) your correct... i havent found a "home" yet.. I'm hoping for Diablo 3 though.  I been playing many different random games... havent found the spark yet.


     


     


    So you will not play an MMO without trying it out on a free trial first, but you will buy a single player co-op game without trying it first?  Your second post (B) makes everything in your first post (A) completly irrelevant, because you are doing in post (B) what you said you would not do in post (A). 


     


    /faceplam

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by Atlan99

    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    good for those people who pre-ordered....

     

    I would never buy a game that i never played... I rather beta or free-trial first....

     

     

    Good luck to u guys that it is worth to your bang buck.

    Thank you.

     

    Good luck to those waiting for a free trial. Something tells me you are going to be waiting awhile.

     

    I don't think he will, not all that long anyhow.

    I suspect in fact we will ee a very similar pattern as we saw with Rift, but only more so- heavy initial take up with a haemorrhage of players at the 2-3 month mark.

    I would expect we will see a trial program by months 4 or 5. At least we will if they are not arrogant or stupid.

    This isn't Rift. SWTOR has sold over 200,000 pre-orders and they haven't even announced a release date.

    They aren't going to have a trial program because they aren't going to need it.

    I would be surprised if they have a free trial within the first year of release.

     

    No, it isnt Rift, I didnt say it was, but it sits squarely in the same bracket and shares much in philiosophy and core design.

    The preorders come almost wholly from people who don't know what they are even buying, thanks to EA selling their product with the NDA still up and denying folks an informed choice, and are pretty irrellevant to this point. They have nothing to do with retention.

    I disagree. I believe the preorders come almost wholly from people who know exactly what they are buying. The kind of people who have been following every press release from Bioware since they announced SWTOR.

    From having played the beta and having had conversations on this forum, they obvuosuly don't. No opinion should be based purely off marketing spin anyhow.

    Anyhow, preorders are still not linked at all to retention.

    It's not like Bioware has been silent on their game. There is a ton of information and videos out available on the game. An unprecedented amount for AAA subscription based MMO.

    I didnt say they had been silent, indeed the hype has been high, I am talking about them not dropping the NDA before selling their product so people can get a real look and not rely on their marketing spin.

    You also mention an NDA stll being up. This is.... /snip

    Look, everything your saying is actually irrellevant to the point and getting us sidetracked.

    The point is that SWtoR will sell massively at first and then drop off like a bomb after 2-3 months.

    Imo, EA will react to that and throw a trial out soon after. Tbh, if they don't they are either arrogant or idiots.

  • Atlan99Atlan99 Member UncommonPosts: 1,332

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

     

     

     

    No, it isnt Rift, I didnt say it was, but it sits squarely in the same bracket and shares much in philiosophy and core design.

    The preorders come almost wholly from people who don't know what they are even buying, thanks to EA selling their product with the NDA still up and denying folks an informed choice, and are pretty irrellevant to this point. They have nothing to do with retention.

    I disagree. I believe the preorders come almost wholly from people who know exactly what they are buying. The kind of people who have been following every press release from Bioware since they announced SWTOR.

    From having played the beta and having had conversations on this forum, they obvuosuly don't. No opinion should be based purely off marketing spin anyhow.

    Anyhow, preorders are still not linked at all to retention.

    It's not like Bioware has been silent on their game. There is a ton of information and videos out available on the game. An unprecedented amount for AAA subscription based MMO.

    I didnt say they had been silent, indeed the hype has been high, I am talking about them not dropping the NDA before selling their product so people can get a real look and not rely on their marketing spin.

    You also mention an NDA stll being up. This is.... /snip

    Look, everything your saying is actually irrellevant to the point and getting us sidetracked.

    The point is that SWtoR will sell massively at first and then drop off like a bomb after 2-3 months.

    Imo, EA will react to that and throw a trial out soon after. Tbh, if they don't they are either arrogant or idiots.

    The only one being arrogant is you.

    First by stating that if EA doesn't do, what you think they should do. Then they are idiots or arrogant.

    Second by stating that anybody who has pre-ordered doesn't know what they are buying.

  • MazinMazin Member Posts: 640

    *popcorn*

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by Atlan99

    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by vesavius


    Originally posted by Atlan99


    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

     

     

     

    No, it isnt Rift, I didnt say it was, but it sits squarely in the same bracket and shares much in philiosophy and core design.

    The preorders come almost wholly from people who don't know what they are even buying, thanks to EA selling their product with the NDA still up and denying folks an informed choice, and are pretty irrellevant to this point. They have nothing to do with retention.

    I disagree. I believe the preorders come almost wholly from people who know exactly what they are buying. The kind of people who have been following every press release from Bioware since they announced SWTOR.

    From having played the beta and having had conversations on this forum, they obvuosuly don't. No opinion should be based purely off marketing spin anyhow.

    Anyhow, preorders are still not linked at all to retention.

    It's not like Bioware has been silent on their game. There is a ton of information and videos out available on the game. An unprecedented amount for AAA subscription based MMO.

    I didnt say they had been silent, indeed the hype has been high, I am talking about them not dropping the NDA before selling their product so people can get a real look and not rely on their marketing spin.

    You also mention an NDA stll being up. This is.... /snip

    Look, everything your saying is actually irrellevant to the point and getting us sidetracked.

    The point is that SWtoR will sell massively at first and then drop off like a bomb after 2-3 months.

    Imo, EA will react to that and throw a trial out soon after. Tbh, if they don't they are either arrogant or idiots.

    {mod edit}

    First by stating that if EA doesn't do, what you think they should do. Then they are idiots or arrogant.

    Second by stating that anybody who has pre-ordered doesn't know what they are doing.

    My statement was that basing opinions purely off official spin and hype for a game pre launch is foolish, and it is.

    EA would have been doing you, as the consumer, a justice by allowing you to see balanced opinions on this game before taking your money is all.

    Your mad at the wrong guy.

  • ThornrageThornrage Member UncommonPosts: 659

    Thank you!

    I pre-ordered and I have no regrets.

    "I don't give a sh*t what other people say. I play what I like and I'll pay to do it too!" - SerialMMOist

  • BeanpuieBeanpuie Member UncommonPosts: 812

    People who preorder also follow a formula when they are willing to buy something they would have to play months later.

    much like those who order movie tickets in advance, hours, days before the movie shows, or those who pre-reg for a upcoming game convention months in advance.

     

    all these things have something in common and thats appeal and reputation.

     

    it is strongly valid that people rather wait and see instead of buy out right and wait, i myself do the same thing with movies.

    "dude you gotta watch transformers its the shiznit! watch that now!"  

    "nah, ill check it out when it hits on netflix"

     

    in Bioware's case, they got their reputation (a plus), and the IP (second plus) people weigh those two things along with the type of game thats being made. In opinion of those over the fence they see that as blind impulse buying; well also in opinion it can also be seen as  expectation.

     

    would people preorder en mass if they knew Cryptic was making another (IP) mmo with what they know now?

    or what about a unknown indie company preaching about innovation and revolutionary gameplay with a vision?

     

    but ya,   hype train ad naesuam or whatever buzzword that fits whoever's agenda.

     

  • HengistHengist Member RarePosts: 1,315


    Originally posted by Kain_Dale
    We should buy something blindly that we never used or played with it before?
    Doesn't make sense at all.... Its like your buying a car without test-drive... found out after u drove it home that u dont like it? lol


    Actually it isnt like saying that at all.

    A car is pretty significant financial expense, with a long term anticipated benefit. You are honestly trying to compare a $20,000 purchace to a $60 one? Yeah, if I'm going to spend $20,000 (at least) on a car, I'm going to take that specific car for a test drive because of the commitment. If I buy a $60 game and I dont like it, it isnt causing the same kind of financial burden. You can believe the analogies are close, but the truth is they arent even remotely close.

    As a side note, I definitely know people who spent the $5 on a pre-order in order to try the game out during the pre-release phase. They figure $5 is pretty cheap to determine for themselves if they want to buy.

    In my case, I also pre-ordered, but then again I've got a pretty good idea of what I'm buying, if I only looked at the game briefly, or did not take my time to find out what it was all about, then I likely would not have pre-ordered.

  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529

    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    Originally posted by darkrain21


    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    good for those people who pre-ordered....

     

    I would never buy a game that i never played... I rather beta or free-trial first....

     

     

    Good luck to u guys that it is worth to your bang buck.

    Thanks just to let you know those of us who pre-order it get in early and also if we didnt pre-order it then there would be no beta of trial.

    So... your saying  We should buy something blindly that we never used or played with it before?

    Doesn't make sense at all.... Its like your buying a car without test-drive... found out after u drove it home that u dont like it? lol

    Going by this logic, we should never go to a new restaurant or try out a new dish or try out a new flavor of ice cream etc etc.

    Gdemami -
    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • naraku209naraku209 Member Posts: 226

    Originally posted by Kain_Dale

    good for those people who pre-ordered....

     

    I would never buy a game that i never played... I rather beta or free-trial first....

     

     

    Good luck to u guys that it is worth to your bang buck.

    says the guy that will probably buy it

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  • hayes303hayes303 Member UncommonPosts: 431

    The concept of games having Open Betas as a try before you buy is only in the last few years, and I think it bloody stinks. Games are coming out as trash because they can only really test the game in alpha and early closed beta. If its not release ready for late closed beta/open beta, its all over. The devs and studios have, for the most part, bought into this and use beta as a marketing tool, offering contests/guarenteed access to people who pre-order, etc. I'm glad that BioWare is not forthcoming with a open beta, I hope they don't have one at all. Focus on testing the game, not giving out free samples to people who are a even split between fans and those who just want to say "I told you this game would suck, I played 3 days of open beta and it proved me right".

    This is not what beta testing is for, regardless of what people think that devs owe them.

  • MetentsoMetentso Member UncommonPosts: 1,437

    In fact, they are buying Bioware's reputation. That is what Bioware is selling right now.

  • Distopia2Distopia2 Member Posts: 574

    Originally posted by Metentso

    In fact, they are buying Bioware's reputation. That is what Bioware is selling right now.

    They're buying it for the same reason they buy every game, a list of features, gameplay trailers, pre-views and hands ons that look and sound fun.


    Originally posted by vesavius

    My statement was that basing opinions purely off official spin and hype for a game pre launch is foolish, and it is.

    EA would have been doing you, as the consumer, a justice by allowing you to see balanced opinions on this game before taking your money is all.

    Your mad at the wrong guy.

    In your opinion what is everyone confused about in reference to TOR? Reading most posts around here seems to hint that most have a pretty good impression of what to expect.

    To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.

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