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EVE Online: While Rancer Burns

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129

In this bi-weekly column, Ross "White Tree" McDermott of the Council of Stellar Management takes us inside EVE Online to talk about, pontificate on, and ruminate about all things EVE. In this week's column, Ross gives players a peek inside the CSM and talks about the recent "Monoclegate". Check out One Jump Home: While Rancer Burns and then let us know what you think!

But the CSM represents a unique element that cannot exist in the real world. This is because the CSM is effectively lobbying the creator of the universe itself to alter the very nature of reality. Well - the nature of reality within EVE Online anyway. Most people don't quite understand what it is that the CSM do, or what their power is. This leads to people eventually defining it for themselves, or using half-informed definitions when developing a perception of the CSM. Put very simply, the CSM operates as a group which lobbys for changes to the game ideally based upon the collective desires of the community.

Read more of Ross McDermott's One Jump Home: While Rancer Burns.



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  • White_TreeWhite_Tree Member Posts: 13

    Hi guys, you can now follow me on twitter @csmwhitetree

  • Zookz1Zookz1 Member Posts: 629

    Your first article was a lot of fun to read, but I could do without reading about Monocolegate again. If I want to get a dose of emorage (not that your article was emo-ragey) I'll just go to the EVEO forums.

     

    To be honest, I usually enjoy a good ol' internet shitstorm especially in regards to MMO's, but this subject has been burned, beaten, and garroted to death. Nevertheless, it's nice to have a voice for EVE on this site.

  • RefMinorRefMinor Member UncommonPosts: 3,452
    "In the end CCP realized that they had released a technically successful piece of work, marvellous and beautiful (despite the occasional hardware issue) but had completely and totally forgotten to communicate their intentions to the players."




    I thought incarna was received spectacularly badly and by those who didn't hate it apathetic at best, you make it sound like a triumph, are you sure about your comments.
  • divmaxdivmax Member Posts: 106

    Great article, but I still do very much doubt that the monoclegate episode would have torn apart the EVE community. A very vocal minority were definitely upset. And I suspect the rest were just grumbling.

  • StormhawkAPSStormhawkAPS Member Posts: 6

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    "In the end CCP realized that they had released a technically successful piece of work, marvellous and beautiful (despite the occasional hardware issue) but had completely and totally forgotten to communicate their intentions to the players." I thought incarna was received spectacularly badly and by those who didn't hate it apathetic at best, you make it sound like a triumph, are you sure about your comments.

     

    Based on his phrasing, I'd say he's referring to it as 'technically' (note that word). The 'technical' aspects of the Captain's Quarters and the new Turrets were relatively successful, and 'marvellous and beautiful'... He wasn't commenting on how it was received- he was commenting on it objectively, as a technical product.

  • FadedbombFadedbomb Member Posts: 2,081

    I ABSOLUTELY adore the new turrets && their new combat animations. However, I'm not sure what to think about Captain's Quarters since I cannot control the video interface like I want.

     

    If i had a higher detail of interactibility with my Quarters I'd be more interested, and if it didn't completely blow my graphics card up 30 degrees I'd also be more happy. Give me the ability to load REAL movies into my vidscreen so I can watch StarWars while playing EvE ^^.

     

    Also, give me the ability to invite friends into my Captain's Quarters to watch movies with. That'd be the most fun I think.

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  • StormhawkAPSStormhawkAPS Member Posts: 6

    ... and subsequently noted how its execution and delivery went down very much unlike any other expansion: without adequate communication.

    However, being a person who regularly read devBlogs before the incident (and has struggled to find time to catch up since due to things that have happened in my life, as well as the volume of information I had to sift through to comprehend things), I did not feel at all surprised at what I saw, so I was more or less looking at everyone else going, "And? This is almost exactly what they said it would be in the devBlogs. Sorry if you read too much into them."

  • StormhawkAPSStormhawkAPS Member Posts: 6

    Originally posted by Fadedbomb

    I ABSOLUTELY adore the new turrets && their new combat animations. However, I'm not sure what to think about Captain's Quarters since I cannot control the video interface like I want.

     If i had a higher detail of interactibility with my Quarters I'd be more interested, and if it didn't completely blow my graphics card up 30 degrees I'd also be more happy. Give me the ability to load REAL movies into my vidscreen so I can watch StarWars while playing EvE ^^.

     Also, give me the ability to invite friends into my Captain's Quarters to watch movies with. That'd be the most fun I think.

    I'm sure if you give them time, and suggest it, they can do as you are picturing. Besides, the communal areas are supposed to be opened up at a later time- next expansion, presumably (along with probably a bulk of the 'flying-in-ships', AKA the bulk of EVE, balancing efforts being put forth at this time).

    As for the overheating... I personally haven't observed any more heat from Captain's Quarters than I do while sitting outside of a station with my Radeon HD 6870, but I'll take your word for it.

  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565

    I'm not really an EVE player, but I have to tell you just how in awe of the society CCP has fostered I am.  It's absolutely compelling, even from an outsider, to watch how an MMO can grow and change into something quite possibly bigger than the developer ever really imagined it could be.  EVE may not have the highest subscription rates of any MMO, but there's little denying that it's second to none when it comes to player involvement.

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  • TheCrow2kTheCrow2k Member Posts: 953

    Again Eve both intrigues me and scares me away as a potential new played due to its complexity and learning curve.

     

    Oh well maybe one day.

  • UhwopUhwop Member UncommonPosts: 1,791

    Originally posted by TheCrow2k

    Again Eve both intrigues me and scares me away as a potential new played due to its complexity and learning curve.

     

    Oh well maybe one day.

     it's really not as hard as it comes across, or even as a lot of people make it sound.  It plays very much like any other MMO on the market, except in space; with more freedom, and a buttload of skills.

     

    Nice article.  You don't see riots in many MMO's, especially riots that have an impact other then simply crashing servers.  The riots like we experienced recently in EVE literally sent ripples throoughout the galaxy; shutting down business for a lot of industrialists.  Even in null sec the effects of the riots were felt, as it stalled the flow of some esential goods.  My dividends in a company I hold stock in took a rather nasty hit that week.

  • cdhamescdhames Member UncommonPosts: 27

    Very articulate and well written post.  I have to ask the question though, because I am curious from a player perspective and also from a business standpoint:  why are you writing at mmorpg.com?  Specifically, who's point of view are you representing?  Has CCP paid or negotiated for representation at MMORPG (though your column) or is this purely a CSM initiative?

  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529

    I think I can comment on this news story.

    'I was there'.

    Were you?

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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004

    Originally posted by Uhwop

    Originally posted by TheCrow2k

    Again Eve both intrigues me and scares me away as a potential new played due to its complexity and learning curve.

     

    Oh well maybe one day.

     it's really not as hard as it comes across, or even as a lot of people make it sound.  It plays very much like any other MMO on the market, except in space; with more freedom, and a buttload of skills.

     

    Nice article.  You don't see riots in many MMO's, especially riots that have an impact other then simply crashing servers.  The riots like we experienced recently in EVE literally sent ripples throoughout the galaxy; shutting down business for a lot of industrialists.  Even in null sec the effects of the riots were felt, as it stalled the flow of some esential goods.  My dividends in a company I hold stock in took a rather nasty hit that week.

    the complexity and learning curve in Eve is more because unlike other games, how you play it, and what you do, is not dictated to you, as you often find in Themepark games, this change of gameplay type, or perhaps lack of it? is often the biggest hurdle that players of theme park games have to leap... games like WoW etc, practically dictate to you how you play and what you do - SW;TOR is probably the ultimate themepark, where every action of the player, is pre-determined... Eve does not have those types of boundaries.... which is why, what happens in Eve.. is often startling.. but rarely boring image

  • neorandomneorandom Member Posts: 1,681

    so monoclegate, haha, funny

     

    so really no more monocles!?

     

    guess i wont be checking eve out, the monocle was the main draw

  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297

    Originally posted by TheCrow2k

    Again Eve both intrigues me and scares me away as a potential new played due to its complexity and learning curve.

     

    Oh well maybe one day.

     

    Nothing that happens in EVE can hurt the guy in the chair playing it, so dont be scared. (OK maybe your pride is at risk). Yeah there's a lot of complexity in EVE, but you dont have to learn everything on day 1. You dont have to learn everything ever if you dont want to.

    PM me if you want a 21 day free trial invite.

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  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297

    Originally posted by neorandom

    so monoclegate, haha, funny

     

    so really no more monocles!?

     

    guess i wont be checking eve out, the monocle was the main draw

     

    The monocles are still there.

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  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297

    Originally posted by BillMurphy

    I'm not really an EVE player, but I have to tell you just how in awe of the society CCP has fostered I am.  It's absolutely compelling, even from an outsider, to watch how an MMO can grow and change into something quite possibly bigger than the developer ever really imagined it could be.  EVE may not have the highest subscription rates of any MMO, but there's little denying that it's second to none when it comes to player involvement.

     

    CCP own the server hardware and the game software, but EVE is ours.

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  • toxicmangotoxicmango Member UncommonPosts: 119
    Can it be any less obvious the writer is just pushing CCP's party line? He is simply trying to spin a PR disaster and a spectacularly unwelcome expansion into sounding like some sort of triumph. The CSM lack all credibility and are simply smoke and mirrors for CCP to pretend to be listening. Let's see they get free flights and get to chum up to the developers. Hardly unbiased viewpoint.

    The leaked email from their CEO outright saying they were going to ignore their customers shows the true level of contempt this company holds its customers.
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726

    Nice article.

    I got a real chuckle out of the entire monoclegate affair.  That people got their panties in a bind over such a superficial incident was a real hoot. 

  • sadeyxsadeyx Member UncommonPosts: 1,555

    Originally posted by Ozmodan  That people got their panties in a bind over such a superficial incident was a real hoot. 

    It is superficial, but its more than what you think,  and really, unless your a long time player of Eve you wouldnt understand.

     

    The problem, you see, is that huge parts of the game are, to be brutally honest, broke.  and have been for years now.

    Introducing a monacle isnt the problem,  even charging a months worth of wages for it.. while shocking, isnt the problem.  The problem is that CCP invest, and continue to invest 90% of their development time on these 'superficial' as you call it, features.

     

    Its like spending £1000 on buying your car a new set of wheels when the old ones are fine, and when the car needs £2000 worth of repairs to make it road worthy.

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