They are being compared because the two main games that are out right now, Rift and WoW people are either bored of, or in Rift's case are just lame.
I can't wait for those two game to come out. I just unsubbed from Rift, which is a terrible game and and hoping that the MMO isn't completely tarnished and cliche ridden by WoW. If GW2 and SWTOR suck, yoiu can all bet ur asses that this genre is as good as dead.
I am seriously so sick of the typical MMO "gear grind". Who really gives a crap about fake gear? Can't anyone who can make a difference have a decent idea? I have a great idea, but Bioware or Blizzard or any of these gay MMO companies dont give a crap what the people playing the games think.
I mean, have any of you actually played Rift? That game is such a pathetic rip on all the MMO fanbois. They jam the same crap down your throat over and over with different names and expect us to keep eating. Well im fucking full of shit food. Gimmie something different.
Make it harder to level so endgame doesn't arrive in 2 weeks and I don't have to play the same dungeon more than 3 times to get a peice of stupid gear. Dont make PvP gear dependant. Allow people to compete, that is what keeps games fun. Competition, creativity and freedom. None of the current mmos have that and that is why everyone is excited for GW2 and SWTOR. I pray that one of them is exciting.
Sounds like GW2 will probably be more of the game for you. I just hope you really do want what you're asking for. A lot of players have been complaining about the genre, only to not give any games with a different system a chance. There actually is a decent amount of innovation happening in the genre, however most players won't give it even a weeks worth of their time. Hence why we have so many WoW clones.
SWTOR should be fun as well, but the more I learn about it, the more it seems to be like a revamped version of WAR, with the PvE taken from one of the single player bioware games. It should be enjoyable, but it doesn't sound all that different. Hopefully it is enough of a breath of fresh air to stay fun, though.
I think all four games listed in the first post are all overrated and will NOT live up to expectations...rather hopes.
And the reason games are compared to World of Warcraft, and why everyone wants them to beat World of Warcraft, is because that is the game of choice! Why play an MMORPG that is second best? Most people don't want to pay for two MMORPGs. Many don't have the time to play both. They'd rather play one and play the best. And of course we're all looking for the next best thing, so that has to be better than World of Warcraft. If it's not, people will continue to play World of Warcraft and keep hoping and waiting for the next best thing.
Originally posted by DJJazzy What makes you think those games are overrated?
If you swap the words Guild Wars 2, Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Secret World, and ArcheAge with Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, Tabula Rasa, Final Fantasy XIV, Aion, etc, these forums will look exactly the same as they have for the past 6 years. Seriously, try it. Go back, way back. Like years back on these forums. Swap out whatever games people were talking about then with the names of the games we are talking about now. The content is NO different. The arguments are identical. The predictions are literally carbon copies of what people are saying about ToR and GW2 now.
You may think Im exaggerating but its true. The debate content never, EVER, changes here, only the names.
So what usually happens is that they all get overrated before launch. Then they get bashed after launch. The ones that survive fix their mistakes and clean up their game. Then they slowly start building up a community of dedicated players. Then the game becomes underrated haha.
Of course it could all go to hell in a mad cash grab before it caves in and goes f2p.
Because they're both similar in terms of MMORPG's finally straying away from the copy-pasted, generic WoW MMO's of the past and finally doing it right.
The only thing about ToR that is unique is the questing Dialogue. Other than that its as generic as it gets: click, press buttons, watch characters go boom boom. You have your grind to levels, grind for gear, your holy trinity of healer's, tank, dps. But hey that seams to please the western gamers. Guild wars 2 is at least offering a different style of MMO. With their unique combat system, world pvp, dynamic events, and if story tickles you the right way Guild Wars 2 has that too.
I really cant stand how people try to compare these two games and try to tell me that they are both different than any other. If you want my honest opinion ToR looks exactly like world of warcraft. Only just throw a story in there with every single quest and have to waste 5 or more minutes after completing quests just to fill in a long line of Dialogue ( Yes I know bioware all to well.) Really just isnt worth the time.
But ToR fanboys can keep telling themselves that their game is the next biggest Revolution to MMO gaming since Everquest.
i bet they will have cash shop no game is free to play with out cash shop.. :P i mean game has to money right:P
Well most subscription games even have cash shops now so I'm not sure how valid of a point that is, if you are trying to make one.
well maybe if you did not read the question right i said ifs not free to play you just trying to make a depate about it :P so flame on bring on the fire. and i do know most games have cash shops and people thinking guild wars 2 is free to play when you pay more for cash shop items :P. so just to say bring the flame is tou got a responce :P
i bet they will have cash shop no game is free to play with out cash shop.. :P i mean game has to money right:P
Well most subscription games even have cash shops now so I'm not sure how valid of a point that is, if you are trying to make one.
well maybe if you did not read the question right i said ifs not free to play you just trying to make a depate about it :P so flame on bring on the fire. and i do know most games have cash shiops and people thinking guild wars 2 is free to play when you pay more for cash shop items :P. so just to say bring the flame is tou got a responce :P
GW2 is not free to play, its Buy to play (B2P) and yes there is a cash shop but its purely Costmetic , and probably character slots,
So there is no pay to win in this game! Just like GW1
~The only opinion that matters is your own.Everything else is just advice,~
i bet they will have cash shop no game is free to play with out cash shop.. :P i mean game has to money right:P
Well most subscription games even have cash shops now so I'm not sure how valid of a point that is, if you are trying to make one.
well maybe if you did not read the question right i said ifs not free to play you just trying to make a depate about it :P so flame on bring on the fire. and i do know most games have cash shiops and people thinking guild wars 2 is free to play when you pay more for cash shop items :P. so just to say bring the flame is tou got a responce :P
GW2 is not free to play, its Buy to play (B2P) and yes there is a cash shop but its purely Costmetic , and probably character slots,
So there is no pay to win in this game! Just like GW1
lol again you mispost my read i said its not pay to win i said it has cash shop on it to make the game money another person bring on the flame. and i bet they add pay to win stuff all free to play games have it. you just dont know until the game releases until then i dont bleave you until i see the game for myself and when it releases it could change. so you dont know.
lol again you mispost my read i said its not pay to win i said it has cash shop on it to make the game money another dence person bring on the flame. and i bet they add pay to win stuff all free to play games have it. you just dont know until the game releases until then i dont bleave you until i see the game for myself and when it releases it could change. so you dont know know.
Pay 2 Win isn't part of ArenaNet philosophy and will never be. That said, Guild wars 2 Cash shop will only consist of :
-Character slot
-Apperance/gender/race/name change
-Costume
-Transmutation stone (also available in-game in exchange of karma)
lol again you mispost my read i said its not pay to win i said it has cash shop on it to make the game money another dence person bring on the flame. and i bet they add pay to win stuff all free to play games have it. you just dont know until the game releases until then i dont bleave you until i see the game for myself and when it releases it could change. so you dont know know.
Pay 2 Win isn't part of ArenaNet philosophy and will never be. That said, Guild wars 2 Cash shop will only consist of :
-Character slot
-Apperance/gender/race/name change
-Costume
-Transmutation stone (also available in-game in exchange of karma)
that is true but they always say that about all free to play games same with everquest 2 now they added mats to buy from the store and mounts better then in game mounts it can change over time. i have nothing against guild wars 2 but to say its free to play is hard to beleave every game has to make money selling something hot on the cash shop thats a fact. i play just about all free to play games out there i bet they will add something that every one wants free to play is pipes dream. yep pay to play games not comparing but its only 15 bucks a month which is nothing i played both free to play and pay to play. it really dont matter to me they both making money .
lol again you mispost my read i said its not pay to win i said it has cash shop on it to make the game money another dence person bring on the flame. and i bet they add pay to win stuff all free to play games have it. you just dont know until the game releases until then i dont bleave you until i see the game for myself and when it releases it could change. so you dont know know.
Pay 2 Win isn't part of ArenaNet philosophy and will never be. That said, Guild wars 2 Cash shop will only consist of :
-Character slot
-Apperance/gender/race/name change
-Costume
-Transmutation stone (also available in-game in exchange of karma)
that is true but they always say that about all free to play games same with everquest 2 now they added mats to buy from the store and mounts better then in game mounts it can change over time. i have nothing against guild wars 2 but to say its free to play is hard to beleave every game has to make money selling something hot on the cash shop thats a fact. i play just about all free to play games out there i bet they will add something that every one wants free to play is pipes dream.
-Box sale (game and expansion)
-cash shop (cosmetic only)
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
lol again you mispost my read i said its not pay to win i said it has cash shop on it to make the game money another dence person bring on the flame. and i bet they add pay to win stuff all free to play games have it. you just dont know until the game releases until then i dont bleave you until i see the game for myself and when it releases it could change. so you dont know know.
Pay 2 Win isn't part of ArenaNet philosophy and will never be. That said, Guild wars 2 Cash shop will only consist of :
-Character slot
-Apperance/gender/race/name change
-Costume
-Transmutation stone (also available in-game in exchange of karma)
that is true but they always say that about all free to play games same with everquest 2 now they added mats to buy from the store and mounts better then in game mounts it can change over time. i have nothing against guild wars 2 but to say its free to play is hard to beleave every game has to make money selling something hot on the cash shop thats a fact. i play just about all free to play games out there i bet they will add something that every one wants free to play is pipes dream.
-Box sale (game and expansion)
-cash shop (cosmetic only)
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
well you pay for what you get right... nothing free its like saying cable is free and internet is free you pay for everything in life name one thing you dont pay for. if you going to complain like a baby about small 15 buck a month mmo then i feel sory for you mmo has to make money box sales money can run out fast i know the market well and i know how mmrpg works. so you cant tell me monthy fee not needed for mmo...all free to play games depend on cash shop look at all of em. monthy fee is needed like you pay your cable bill. it makes money i would like to see how the world evolves around your little brain.
lol again you mispost my read i said its not pay to win i said it has cash shop on it to make the game money another dence person bring on the flame. and i bet they add pay to win stuff all free to play games have it. you just dont know until the game releases until then i dont bleave you until i see the game for myself and when it releases it could change. so you dont know know.
Pay 2 Win isn't part of ArenaNet philosophy and will never be. That said, Guild wars 2 Cash shop will only consist of :
-Character slot
-Apperance/gender/race/name change
-Costume
-Transmutation stone (also available in-game in exchange of karma)
that is true but they always say that about all free to play games same with everquest 2 now they added mats to buy from the store and mounts better then in game mounts it can change over time. i have nothing against guild wars 2 but to say its free to play is hard to beleave every game has to make money selling something hot on the cash shop thats a fact. i play just about all free to play games out there i bet they will add something that every one wants free to play is pipes dream.
-Box sale (game and expansion)
-cash shop (cosmetic only)
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
well you pay for what you get right... nothing free its like saying cable is free and internet is free you pay for everything in life name one thing you dont pay for
Sadly, its true.. nothing is free. This is the world we live in.
But to return to the subject, subscription-free business model is the soul of ArenaNet and they are still here since 2000. Have no fear, they will make money
lol again you mispost my read i said its not pay to win i said it has cash shop on it to make the game money another dence person bring on the flame. and i bet they add pay to win stuff all free to play games have it. you just dont know until the game releases until then i dont bleave you until i see the game for myself and when it releases it could change. so you dont know know.
Pay 2 Win isn't part of ArenaNet philosophy and will never be. That said, Guild wars 2 Cash shop will only consist of :
-Character slot
-Apperance/gender/race/name change
-Costume
-Transmutation stone (also available in-game in exchange of karma)
that is true but they always say that about all free to play games same with everquest 2 now they added mats to buy from the store and mounts better then in game mounts it can change over time. i have nothing against guild wars 2 but to say its free to play is hard to beleave every game has to make money selling something hot on the cash shop thats a fact. i play just about all free to play games out there i bet they will add something that every one wants free to play is pipes dream. yep pay to play games not comparing but its only 15 bucks a month which is nothing i played both free to play and pay to play. it really dont matter to me they both making money .
Last quarter GW1 made enough money to pay for all OF NcSofts online servers... So no they won't put any P2W stuff in the cash shop.
lol again you mispost my read i said its not pay to win i said it has cash shop on it to make the game money another dence person bring on the flame. and i bet they add pay to win stuff all free to play games have it. you just dont know until the game releases until then i dont bleave you until i see the game for myself and when it releases it could change. so you dont know know.
Pay 2 Win isn't part of ArenaNet philosophy and will never be. That said, Guild wars 2 Cash shop will only consist of :
-Character slot
-Apperance/gender/race/name change
-Costume
-Transmutation stone (also available in-game in exchange of karma)
that is true but they always say that about all free to play games same with everquest 2 now they added mats to buy from the store and mounts better then in game mounts it can change over time. i have nothing against guild wars 2 but to say its free to play is hard to beleave every game has to make money selling something hot on the cash shop thats a fact. i play just about all free to play games out there i bet they will add something that every one wants free to play is pipes dream.
-Box sale (game and expansion)
-cash shop (cosmetic only)
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.k
lol again you mispost my read i said its not pay to win i said it has cash shop on it to make the game money another dence person bring on the flame. and i bet they add pay to win stuff all free to play games have it. you just dont know until the game releases until then i dont bleave you until i see the game for myself and when it releases it could change. so you dont know know.
Pay 2 Win isn't part of ArenaNet philosophy and will never be. That said, Guild wars 2 Cash shop will only consist of :
-Character slot
-Apperance/gender/race/name change
-Costume
-Transmutation stone (also available in-game in exchange of karma)
that is true but they always say that about all free to play games same with everquest 2 now they added mats to buy from the store and mounts better then in game mounts it can change over time. i have nothing against guild wars 2 but to say its free to play is hard to beleave every game has to make money selling something hot on the cash shop thats a fact. i play just about all free to play games out there i bet they will add something that every one wants free to play is pipes dream.
-Box sale (game and expansion)
-cash shop (cosmetic only)
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
well you pay for what you get right... nothing free its like saying cable is free and internet is free you pay for everything in life name one thing you dont pay for
Sadly, its true.. nothing is free. This is the world we live in.
But to return to the subject, subscription-free business model is the soul of ArenaNet and they are still here since 2000. Have no fear, they will make money
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Sounds like GW2 will probably be more of the game for you. I just hope you really do want what you're asking for. A lot of players have been complaining about the genre, only to not give any games with a different system a chance. There actually is a decent amount of innovation happening in the genre, however most players won't give it even a weeks worth of their time. Hence why we have so many WoW clones.
SWTOR should be fun as well, but the more I learn about it, the more it seems to be like a revamped version of WAR, with the PvE taken from one of the single player bioware games. It should be enjoyable, but it doesn't sound all that different. Hopefully it is enough of a breath of fresh air to stay fun, though.
I think all four games listed in the first post are all overrated and will NOT live up to expectations...rather hopes.
And the reason games are compared to World of Warcraft, and why everyone wants them to beat World of Warcraft, is because that is the game of choice! Why play an MMORPG that is second best? Most people don't want to pay for two MMORPGs. Many don't have the time to play both. They'd rather play one and play the best. And of course we're all looking for the next best thing, so that has to be better than World of Warcraft. If it's not, people will continue to play World of Warcraft and keep hoping and waiting for the next best thing.
What makes you think those games are overrated?
You may think Im exaggerating but its true. The debate content never, EVER, changes here, only the names.
So what usually happens is that they all get overrated before launch. Then they get bashed after launch. The ones that survive fix their mistakes and clean up their game. Then they slowly start building up a community of dedicated players. Then the game becomes underrated haha.
Of course it could all go to hell in a mad cash grab before it caves in and goes f2p.
Ok but what makes them overrated in your view? Do you think they are lying on how they play? And who rates them?
Fair enough, I can accept that answer.
i bet they will have cash shop no game is free to play with out cash shop.. :P i mean game has to money right:P
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Well most subscription games even have cash shops now so I'm not sure how valid of a point that is, if you are trying to make one.
GW2 is BUY to play, not FREE to play.
B2P != F2P.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I'll probably get them both because they're so different. Unless ofcourse they launch around the same date, then GW2 ftw.
Both are vastly different games. I am going to play both.
Why GW2 (vs) SWTOR instead of GW2 + SWTOR ?!
I´ll be playing both
The only thing about ToR that is unique is the questing Dialogue. Other than that its as generic as it gets: click, press buttons, watch characters go boom boom. You have your grind to levels, grind for gear, your holy trinity of healer's, tank, dps. But hey that seams to please the western gamers. Guild wars 2 is at least offering a different style of MMO. With their unique combat system, world pvp, dynamic events, and if story tickles you the right way Guild Wars 2 has that too.
I really cant stand how people try to compare these two games and try to tell me that they are both different than any other. If you want my honest opinion ToR looks exactly like world of warcraft. Only just throw a story in there with every single quest and have to waste 5 or more minutes after completing quests just to fill in a long line of Dialogue ( Yes I know bioware all to well.) Really just isnt worth the time.
But ToR fanboys can keep telling themselves that their game is the next biggest Revolution to MMO gaming since Everquest.
well maybe if you did not read the question right i said ifs not free to play you just trying to make a depate about it :P so flame on bring on the fire. and i do know most games have cash shops and people thinking guild wars 2 is free to play when you pay more for cash shop items :P. so just to say bring the flame is tou got a responce :P
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GW2 is not free to play, its Buy to play (B2P) and yes there is a cash shop but its purely Costmetic , and probably character slots,
So there is no pay to win in this game! Just like GW1
~The only opinion that matters is your own.Everything else is just advice,~
lol again you mispost my read i said its not pay to win i said it has cash shop on it to make the game money another person bring on the flame. and i bet they add pay to win stuff all free to play games have it. you just dont know until the game releases until then i dont bleave you until i see the game for myself and when it releases it could change. so you dont know.
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Pay 2 Win isn't part of ArenaNet philosophy and will never be. That said, Guild wars 2 Cash shop will only consist of :
-Character slot
-Apperance/gender/race/name change
-Costume
-Transmutation stone (also available in-game in exchange of karma)
that is true but they always say that about all free to play games same with everquest 2 now they added mats to buy from the store and mounts better then in game mounts it can change over time. i have nothing against guild wars 2 but to say its free to play is hard to beleave every game has to make money selling something hot on the cash shop thats a fact. i play just about all free to play games out there i bet they will add something that every one wants free to play is pipes dream. yep pay to play games not comparing but its only 15 bucks a month which is nothing i played both free to play and pay to play. it really dont matter to me they both making money .
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-Box sale (game and expansion)
-cash shop (cosmetic only)
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
If Guild wars 2 live up to his hype, then money won't be a problem. Box sale will go up and expansion will sell like hot bread. And cosmetic cash shop is really popular and will bring in a LOT of money.
You know, monthly fee aren't really necessary for an MMO.
well you pay for what you get right... nothing free its like saying cable is free and internet is free you pay for everything in life name one thing you dont pay for. if you going to complain like a baby about small 15 buck a month mmo then i feel sory for you mmo has to make money box sales money can run out fast i know the market well and i know how mmrpg works. so you cant tell me monthy fee not needed for mmo...all free to play games depend on cash shop look at all of em. monthy fee is needed like you pay your cable bill. it makes money i would like to see how the world evolves around your little brain.
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Sadly, its true.. nothing is free. This is the world we live in.
But to return to the subject, subscription-free business model is the soul of ArenaNet and they are still here since 2000. Have no fear, they will make money
Last quarter GW1 made enough money to pay for all OF NcSofts online servers... So no they won't put any P2W stuff in the cash shop.
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that is good kudos
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