In the case of the OP Blizzard has put safeguard, there is a confirmation box when you buy or you can use "bid" and not "buy now". Blizzard can't put an angel behind every players. It is part of the game ( same with EvE, players know or should know that it 's a shark game ) and the learning experience.
I call it bait for people who have far too much money and just the opposite of sense, also known as the idiot-trap.
... which is what a scam is.
Then i don't see the problem.
Why're we trying to protect people from their own stupidity instead of letting them wise up?
Because sometimes the people perpetrating the scamming are saavy enough to do so in not such a obvious way. On one level you have buyout traps on the AH, on another you have the ponzi scheme in Eve that netted over a trillion isk in profit from the victims that came to fruition last week. Keep in mind that some scams may rely on loopholes or gaps in the game that make it difficult to avoid fallnig victim to such an exploit, even if you're vigilant.
Typically if there is a decision to deal with scamming, either all scamming is dealt with, even if it's considered due to 'stupidity', or nothing is. When nothing is handled with regards to scamming, you better pay a hell of a lot of attention. It's easy to call other people stupid for falling for scams, whether it be straight forward like the OP or something else that's elaborate... until of course it happens to you.
Be glad that there are rules in real life protecting yourself and others from scams. Honestly, I'd prefer the same in the games I play just to have piece of mind, but that's just me.
Good try, but no.
I have fallen for such tricks in my younger, more gullible days and who do you think i blamed?
That's right, me. I was dumb enough to let some website take my money for nothing and I was dumb enough not to read everything in the fine print. Now i know better, i learned a valuable life lesson that day and i'm better off for it.
So when something as obvious as these completely transparent auction "scams" come up and people claim that others should protect them from using their goddamn eyes i reserve the right to call them idiots. Same deal with blatantly obvious email scams for that matter, i mean who just gives away credit card numbers and account information away despite being told countless times that the companies would never ask for that in an email, and then theres the mugu scams "Oh sure mr. nigerian prince i completely believe that you will give me 10 million dollars and all i have to do is give you my banking information, security codes and all."
With the possibility of real money transactions in the Diablo Auction House, I wonder exactly how long it will be before someone does get scammed, and a lawsuit is filed. How much liability will Blizzard face by facilitating such transactions?
For myself, if I do play D3 (and that's not entirely certain), I hope their auction house also has a section for using in-game assets (gold) instead. I simply can't see paying any amount, even $0.01, for a potion that is used in a single key-stroke. Not counting the various errors and corrections made as I type, at that rate, this post would have cost me about $6.00. Not worth it.
Yes there will be 2 AH's one where items are traded for ingame gold and the other for real cash. A player can choose to put items on either.
I call it bait for people who have far too much money and just the opposite of sense, also known as the idiot-trap.
... which is what a scam is.
Then i don't see the problem.
Why're we trying to protect people from their own stupidity instead of letting them wise up?
Because sometimes the people perpetrating the scamming are saavy enough to do so in not such a obvious way. On one level you have buyout traps on the AH, on another you have the ponzi scheme in Eve that netted over a trillion isk in profit from the victims that came to fruition last week. Keep in mind that some scams may rely on loopholes or gaps in the game that make it difficult to avoid fallnig victim to such an exploit, even if you're vigilant.
Typically if there is a decision to deal with scamming, either all scamming is dealt with, even if it's considered due to 'stupidity', or nothing is. When nothing is handled with regards to scamming, you better pay a hell of a lot of attention. It's easy to call other people stupid for falling for scams, whether it be straight forward like the OP or something else that's elaborate... until of course it happens to you.
Be glad that there are rules in real life protecting yourself and others from scams. Honestly, I'd prefer the same in the games I play just to have piece of mind, but that's just me.
Good try, but no.
I have fallen for such tricks in my younger, more gullible days and who do you think i blamed?
That's right, me. I was dumb enough to let some website take my money for nothing and I was dumb enough not to read everything in the fine print. Now i know better, i learned a valuable life lesson that day and i'm better off for it.
So when something as obvious as these completely transparent auction "scams" come up and people claim that others should protect them from using their goddamn eyes i reserve the right to call them idiots. Same deal with blatantly obvious email scams for that matter, i mean who just gives away credit card numbers and account information away despite being told countless times that the companies would never ask for that in an email, and then theres the mugu scams "Oh sure mr. nigerian prince i completely believe that you will give me 10 million dollars and all i have to do is give you my banking information, security codes and all."
You're perfectly within your right to have the opinion you do on the subject. Thankfully for the rest of us this isn't the way of thinking that the majority of society adopts.
Though there may be human error on the victim's part, that doesn't absolve the perpetrator of the fact that what they did is immoral. Of course people should keep their wits about them, but people are well, people. They're human, and they make mistakes, we're not infallable. Just because we make a mistake should not mean that the few who prey on our fallability should profit.
Hoping on the generic "tough luck, take a better look next time" policy as well. Scams like these are blatently obvious. Scams in EVE are often a lot more more elaborate and still endorsed (despite a link between ISK and real life cash through PLEX). I would never scam myself but I am all for the freedom of scamming WITHIN the game's intended parameters. A side product is delicious forum drama.
Have to agree. It's the buyer's responsibility to pay attention to what he or she is buying and the price they are paying. Have I screwed people out of gold from ingame AH systems? Sure. But I'm not the one that clicked "buyout". I don't see people sitting here complaining if a seller puts up an item for 99 silver when it should be listed as 99 gold, that when the person who spots the deal buys it, they should be paying the extra 98g to the seller. Just as much as people sell scam on the AH, people that scan for deals are no less scamming. It's buyer beware and it's the way it should be.
With the possibility of real money transactions in the Diablo Auction House, I wonder exactly how long it will be before someone does get scammed, and a lawsuit is filed. How much liability will Blizzard face by facilitating such transactions?
For myself, if I do play D3 (and that's not entirely certain), I hope their auction house also has a section for using in-game assets (gold) instead. I simply can't see paying any amount, even $0.01, for a potion that is used in a single key-stroke. Not counting the various errors and corrections made as I type, at that rate, this post would have cost me about $6.00. Not worth it.
Yes there will be 2 AH's one where items are traded for ingame gold and the other for real cash. A player can choose to put items on either.
If Diablo 2 is any indication though, gold will inflate toward worthlessness, and gold farmers will scoop up rare items on the market with ease and simply hoard them to sell for cold hard cash.
With the possibility of real money transactions in the Diablo Auction House, I wonder exactly how long it will be before someone does get scammed, and a lawsuit is filed. How much liability will Blizzard face by facilitating such transactions?
For myself, if I do play D3 (and that's not entirely certain), I hope their auction house also has a section for using in-game assets (gold) instead. I simply can't see paying any amount, even $0.01, for a potion that is used in a single key-stroke. Not counting the various errors and corrections made as I type, at that rate, this post would have cost me about $6.00. Not worth it.
Yes there will be 2 AH's one where items are traded for ingame gold and the other for real cash. A player can choose to put items on either.
If Diablo 2 is any indication though, gold will inflate toward worthlessness, and gold farmers will scoop up rare items on the market with ease and simply hoard them to sell for cold hard cash.
Yeah, I do remember gold in D2 being worthless, but I think Blizzard has grown with the task, and hopefully won't allow such a thing to happen again, because if it DOES happen again, the RMT-auctionhouse will be the only place you can buy valuable stuff
... Do not allow certain items to go, over 50% of current average selling price...
So a 10 gold item, would never be able to be sold for 15 gold, hence no one can put it up for 150 gold
Also remember, its not always scammer, some people use the auction house to house their goods, whether that is acceptable policy or not is unknown, but does not indicate he is a scammer, just that he don't want to really sell his stuff. Also, this tactic was used by AH economic gamers to falsly inflate the average cost per item that is used in many tools so over time they get more income because the tool tracks average cost of items across the board. They wouldnt do this if games actually gave adequate storage space.. Not sure why they don't... Look at Eve, don't seem to be a problem for them.. Other than having good dedicated sql servers programmed properly
So for instance.. Wool was 8g per stack.. They listed 500 wool stacks at 200g per stack, thus the scanning tools would take all these and average them out and soon enough wool stacks were selling for 10g a stack and the tools everyone uses is what makes the comfort zone of choice.
Fortunately, sellers will have to pay a fee to put an item up on the market so that people that attempt this actually get hurt in the wallet.
Another thing I would point out is that your example doesn't look like a scam at all. It looks like a mistake. His bid is low and his price looks like it was meant to be three gold. If he gets 300, good for him.
I also think that if someone is silly enough to confirm a $200 buyout on something that is worth $2, then they deserved to be separated from their money.
Wouldn't be the first time I put several same items for 1999 and then one for 9999 and someone buys it, in games like archlord (max ah buyout was 100k gold) I used to do this many times, and every other week i would get proffits on it.
On another note, you can just use some good mod for AH...............oh wait
Don't worry there will be plenty of duping going on in this game and so that Blizz gets as many transaction fees as Nhey can.
Naah, if you know anything about F2P MMO's, such as games like Shot Online, its all about the rare item... Where the owners sit in the lobby all day acting like they are pawning off these rare unobtainable golf clubs for $1500 a pop, then selling random pot luck packages where they act like you can possible win one for $100 bucks that give $5 in loot back.. acting like this stuff is really an obtainable drop is where the game is at...
It's funny how greed has flipped 2000%.. I remember in Asherons Call, where you could buy Mattekar Robe on Ebay for $100 some 10 years ago.. and I thought it was the coolest thing ever to make money on virtual loot.. Back then it was a rights issue,, they didnt know how to milk it so its illegal.. now they know so they open it with open arms..
Truth is.. copyrights are going to change... as they should.... I expect this cmpany to make a mint.. then I expect the followers to get clobbered and alot of damage to follow... the times ahead shall be interesting
With the possibility of real money transactions in the Diablo Auction House, I wonder exactly how long it will be before someone does get scammed, and a lawsuit is filed. How much liability will Blizzard face by facilitating such transactions?
For myself, if I do play D3 (and that's not entirely certain), I hope their auction house also has a section for using in-game assets (gold) instead. I simply can't see paying any amount, even $0.01, for a potion that is used in a single key-stroke. Not counting the various errors and corrections made as I type, at that rate, this post would have cost me about $6.00. Not worth it.
Yes there will be 2 AH's one where items are traded for ingame gold and the other for real cash. A player can choose to put items on either.
If Diablo 2 is any indication though, gold will inflate toward worthlessness, and gold farmers will scoop up rare items on the market with ease and simply hoard them to sell for cold hard cash.
Yeah, I do remember gold in D2 being worthless, but I think Blizzard has grown with the task, and hopefully won't allow such a thing to happen again, because if it DOES happen again, the RMT-auctionhouse will be the only place you can buy valuable stuff
I remember reading about how they were going to put more emphasis on gold, so it doesn't just fade away as currency. Pgems and items were the currency in d2, and they wanted to avoid that so gold can have real value again.
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In the case of the OP Blizzard has put safeguard, there is a confirmation box when you buy or you can use "bid" and not "buy now". Blizzard can't put an angel behind every players. It is part of the game ( same with EvE, players know or should know that it 's a shark game ) and the learning experience.
Good try, but no.
I have fallen for such tricks in my younger, more gullible days and who do you think i blamed?
That's right, me. I was dumb enough to let some website take my money for nothing and I was dumb enough not to read everything in the fine print. Now i know better, i learned a valuable life lesson that day and i'm better off for it.
So when something as obvious as these completely transparent auction "scams" come up and people claim that others should protect them from using their goddamn eyes i reserve the right to call them idiots. Same deal with blatantly obvious email scams for that matter, i mean who just gives away credit card numbers and account information away despite being told countless times that the companies would never ask for that in an email, and then theres the mugu scams "Oh sure mr. nigerian prince i completely believe that you will give me 10 million dollars and all i have to do is give you my banking information, security codes and all."
Yes there will be 2 AH's one where items are traded for ingame gold and the other for real cash. A player can choose to put items on either.
You're perfectly within your right to have the opinion you do on the subject. Thankfully for the rest of us this isn't the way of thinking that the majority of society adopts.
Though there may be human error on the victim's part, that doesn't absolve the perpetrator of the fact that what they did is immoral. Of course people should keep their wits about them, but people are well, people. They're human, and they make mistakes, we're not infallable. Just because we make a mistake should not mean that the few who prey on our fallability should profit.
Have to agree. It's the buyer's responsibility to pay attention to what he or she is buying and the price they are paying. Have I screwed people out of gold from ingame AH systems? Sure. But I'm not the one that clicked "buyout". I don't see people sitting here complaining if a seller puts up an item for 99 silver when it should be listed as 99 gold, that when the person who spots the deal buys it, they should be paying the extra 98g to the seller. Just as much as people sell scam on the AH, people that scan for deals are no less scamming. It's buyer beware and it's the way it should be.
Power to the Sheeple
If Diablo 2 is any indication though, gold will inflate toward worthlessness, and gold farmers will scoop up rare items on the market with ease and simply hoard them to sell for cold hard cash.
Yeah, I do remember gold in D2 being worthless, but I think Blizzard has grown with the task, and hopefully won't allow such a thing to happen again, because if it DOES happen again, the RMT-auctionhouse will be the only place you can buy valuable stuff
It's easily fixed via code.
... Do not allow certain items to go, over 50% of current average selling price...
So a 10 gold item, would never be able to be sold for 15 gold, hence no one can put it up for 150 gold
Also remember, its not always scammer, some people use the auction house to house their goods, whether that is acceptable policy or not is unknown, but does not indicate he is a scammer, just that he don't want to really sell his stuff. Also, this tactic was used by AH economic gamers to falsly inflate the average cost per item that is used in many tools so over time they get more income because the tool tracks average cost of items across the board. They wouldnt do this if games actually gave adequate storage space.. Not sure why they don't... Look at Eve, don't seem to be a problem for them.. Other than having good dedicated sql servers programmed properly
So for instance.. Wool was 8g per stack.. They listed 500 wool stacks at 200g per stack, thus the scanning tools would take all these and average them out and soon enough wool stacks were selling for 10g a stack and the tools everyone uses is what makes the comfort zone of choice.
Regards,
Nobotters - A better gaming experience
Wouldn't be the first time I put several same items for 1999 and then one for 9999 and someone buys it, in games like archlord (max ah buyout was 100k gold) I used to do this many times, and every other week i would get proffits on it.
On another note, you can just use some good mod for AH...............oh wait
"I am not a robot. I am a unicorn."
Don't worry there will be plenty of duping going on in this game and so that Blizz gets as many transaction fees as they can.
Naah, if you know anything about F2P MMO's, such as games like Shot Online, its all about the rare item... Where the owners sit in the lobby all day acting like they are pawning off these rare unobtainable golf clubs for $1500 a pop, then selling random pot luck packages where they act like you can possible win one for $100 bucks that give $5 in loot back.. acting like this stuff is really an obtainable drop is where the game is at...
It's funny how greed has flipped 2000%.. I remember in Asherons Call, where you could buy Mattekar Robe on Ebay for $100 some 10 years ago.. and I thought it was the coolest thing ever to make money on virtual loot.. Back then it was a rights issue,, they didnt know how to milk it so its illegal.. now they know so they open it with open arms..
Truth is.. copyrights are going to change... as they should.... I expect this cmpany to make a mint.. then I expect the followers to get clobbered and alot of damage to follow... the times ahead shall be interesting
Regards,
Nobotters - A better gaming experience
Hey , what about all those players with 'Forum Gold' they dont need to missclick.
Play, or play not. There is no whine.
I remember reading about how they were going to put more emphasis on gold, so it doesn't just fade away as currency. Pgems and items were the currency in d2, and they wanted to avoid that so gold can have real value again.