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  • Ghost021Ghost021 Member Posts: 84

    Originally posted by Malcanis

    Everyone put your hands together for Ghost021 and his fantastic, witty, insightful contribution that was not in any way a tedious, banal, borrowed meme almost completely irrelevent to the subject.

     More like put your hands togehter for Malcanis the biggest storyteller in the EvE universe... sorry bro but i've been in alliances with you and let me remind you of how you mostly lie. Mostly you are in gangs that search people not for the good fights but the so called.. errr blob!?

    You see your definition of good game and blobing are only so go for as long as you are winning.. thats not completely wrong, we all want to win a fight, but in your case.. boy oh boy, you seem to forget that everytime you lost a ship to a bigger group of how much you whinned...

     

    So please do not come here telling stories mate, there are almost no small fights , solo players are rare as are small groups. Evertime 1 solo player is seen in null or low sec space he is hunted and blobbed to death, everytime a small group is seen there, they are blobbed.. period.

    Most good fights come from experienced people, or people with the right mindset to play, the ones who actually don't care about the .. he has 10 we bring 100 tactic, the ones that with 20 peeps make more damage than 200 with hit-and-run tactics.. the ones that actually say.. hey.. we find it harder and harder to fight, everyone likes to blob these days.

     

    So remain silent when it comes to that matter because you are one of those that is mostly seen in big fleets.

     

    PS: And to the guy in DOOM. don't tell me that 7 - 15 isn't what you aren't looking for, a kill is a kill, wether those 7 put up a fight, now thats a completely different story ;)

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  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297

    Originally posted by Ghost021

    Originally posted by Malcanis

    Everyone put your hands together for Ghost021 and his fantastic, witty, insightful contribution that was not in any way a tedious, banal, borrowed meme almost completely irrelevent to the subject.

     More like put your hands togehter for Malcanis the biggest storyteller in the EvE universe... sorry bro but i've been in alliances with you and let me remind you of how you mostly lie. Mostly you are in gangs that search people not for the good fights but the so called.. errr blob!?

    You see your definition of good game and blobing are only so go for as long as you are winning.. thats not completely wrong, we all want to win a fight, but in your case.. boy oh boy, you seem to forget that everytime you lost a ship to a bigger group of how much you whinned...

     

    So please do not come here telling stories mate, there are almost no small fights , solo players are rare as are small groups. Evertime 1 solo player is seen in null or low sec space he is hunted and blobbed to death, everytime a small group is seen there, they are blobbed.. period.

    Most good fights come from experienced people, or people with the right mindset to play, the ones who actually don't care about the .. he has 10 we bring 100 tactic, the ones that with 20 peeps make more damage than 200 with hit-and-run tactics.. the ones that actually say.. hey.. we find it harder and harder to fight, everyone likes to blob these days.

     

    So remain silent when it comes to that matter because you are one of those that is mostly seen in big fleets.

     

    PS: And to the guy in DOOM. don't tell me that 7 - 15 isn't what you aren't looking for, a kill is a kill, wether those 7 put up a fight, now thats a completely different story ;)

     

    Well if "everytime [I] lost a ship to a bigger group of how much [I] whinned..." then it should be no trouble at all for you to link a few examples of said whining.

     

    EDIT: And since INIT almost invariably fight outnumbered these days, I dont get where you're dreaming up these accusations of blobbing from either. We have no permanent blues these days, maybe 1-2 temp blues for specific operations. Unlike most of 0.0, we're not part of any powerbloc.

    Which alliance are you in?

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • howardbhowardb Member Posts: 286

    Maybe I misunderstood you Malcanis. Maybe you're saying in general everybody wants to blob with a few notable exceptions. If that's the case I agree with you. Ghost is correct when he says that people just doesn't want to risk anything. If you remove the risk of PvP'ing then all we have left is World of Warcraft. If you have 10 then the enemy will form 100. That's my experience too. We've started going out in frigs to get fights lately. At least then our enemies will give us a fight instead of scattering.

    Don't be hating on INIT Ghost. They're a good bunch. Solid PvP'ers. They're currently neutral to us but they used to be blue to Tri not too long ago. How's Wookie by the way? I saw they left PL and joined Init. He should come back to NCdot to be honest. Wookie had a good rep over here and I personally loved his roams.

  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297

    Originally posted by howardb

    Maybe I misunderstood you Malcanis. Maybe you're saying in general everybody wants to blob with a few notable exceptions. If that's the case I agree with you. Ghost is correct when he says that people just doesn't want to risk anything. If you remove the risk of PvP'ing then all we have left is World of Warcraft. If you have 10 then the enemy will form 100. That's my experience too. We've started going out in frigs to get fights lately. At least then our enemies will give us a fight instead of scattering.

    Don't be hating on INIT Ghost. They're a good bunch. Solid PvP'ers. They're currently neutral to us but they used to be blue to Tri not too long ago. How's Wookie by the way? I saw they left PL and joined Init. He should come back to NCdot to be honest. Wookie had a good rep over here and I personally loved his roams.

     

    No, what I meant was that when people form roams, they generally call out in alliance "roam starting in 15 mins" or whatever, and however many people they get, that's what they go with. So say your guys start out a roam and you have 17 in gang and off you go, looking for a fight. Meanwhile, INIT is a bigger alliance and so we get 45, and off we go looking for a fight. Eventually our paths cross.

    Have you been blobbed?

    What does Ghost expect the INIT FC to say? "OK guys we found some targets but there are only 17 of them. Squads 1, 2 jump through. Squads 3, 4, 5, listen on comms while we have fun". Bullshit, no FC would do that, and if he did he wouldn't get many people Xing up for his next roam... At best he might split the fleet to bait your 17 into attacking in the hope of sandwiching them.

    Because there are more people playing EVE than there used to be, there is, with mathematical inevitability, a greater variation in fleet sizes. The intelligent response is to understand that sometimes you're going to be outnumbered, and your PvP will consist of escape and evasion while trying to pick off stragglers as the opportunity presents. This kind of PvP can be great fun too, and there is a lot of satisfaction in scoring a few coups against a bigger fleet. The childish response is to imagine that INIT deliberately chose to bring 45 guys against your 17 and run to the forums and cry about it.

    You're not always going to get an evenly matched straight up fight unless it's pre-arranged, tourney style.

    Likewise, when your alliance forms a fleet to meet some objective they really care about - saving a station or a CSAA with a Titan in build or taking a Tech moon, or whatever, you're going to form the biggest, best fleet you can, because you want to achieve that objective, not give the other guy a fair fight. If he can't organise a comparable fleet, well tough shit.

    The only place I ever drew the line was the NC's policy of deliberately and intentionally packing so many people into the system that the node would crash or be so badly lagged that it was impossible to play. To my mind this is an exploit. Luckily, CCP have improved TQs resilience enough that this tactic is much less feasible than it used to be, and when/if Time Dilation is introduced, it will fade away altogether. By a remarkable coincidence, the NC crumbled wjhen this tactic - the only one they had - no longer worked. 

    Anyway, ghost prolly hates INIT. because of something we did to his alliance. I'm OK with that; we've pissed a lot of people off because we've always done what we wanted to do, and if anyone doesn't like that, then they're always welcome to come on over and we'll show them our ammo. We dont have any blues who's feelings we need to consider, or any alliances to stop us shooting whatever we like, so he can drop by with as many people as he wants to bring, and we'll either hide, massacre him, or have a straight up fight depending on how many feel like fighting at the time.

     

    EDIT: Do you mean the w00kie that used to be in Digital Renegades? Digi never joined us, although we'd certainly be glad to have them.

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • KomandorKomandor Member Posts: 272

    Originally posted by Ghost021

    Originally posted by Malcanis

    Everyone put your hands together for Ghost021 and his fantastic, witty, insightful contribution that was not in any way a tedious, banal, borrowed meme almost completely irrelevent to the subject.

     More like put your hands togehter for Malcanis the biggest storyteller in the EvE universe... sorry bro but i've been in alliances with you and let me remind you of how you mostly lie. Mostly you are in gangs that search people not for the good fights but the so called.. errr blob!?

    You see your definition of good game and blobing are only so go for as long as you are winning.. thats not completely wrong, we all want to win a fight, but in your case.. boy oh boy, you seem to forget that everytime you lost a ship to a bigger group of how much you whinned...

     

    So please do not come here telling stories mate, there are almost no small fights , solo players are rare as are small groups. Evertime 1 solo player is seen in null or low sec space he is hunted and blobbed to death, everytime a small group is seen there, they are blobbed.. period.

    Most good fights come from experienced people, or people with the right mindset to play, the ones who actually don't care about the .. he has 10 we bring 100 tactic, the ones that with 20 peeps make more damage than 200 with hit-and-run tactics.. the ones that actually say.. hey.. we find it harder and harder to fight, everyone likes to blob these days.

     

    So remain silent when it comes to that matter because you are one of those that is mostly seen in big fleets.

     

    PS: And to the guy in DOOM. don't tell me that 7 - 15 isn't what you aren't looking for, a kill is a kill, wether those 7 put up a fight, now thats a completely different story ;)

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  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297

    It's unfortunately unsubstantiated bullshit

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607

    Inconclusive, IMO.  I've played LotRO maybe 5-6 hours tops all summer, and I have no intention of leaving.  It's like this pretty much every year. 

    So yeah, there's a dip, and it could be people leaving for good, or people appreciating the warm weather while they can.  Likely, a little of both.

  • GnatBugGnatBug Member Posts: 75

    Maybe your right ..but the trend still drags down ... when will your summer end ... it seems it started the in Feb 2011 and is still in full swing ...long summer m8t ?

  • NicoliNicoli Member Posts: 1,312

    Originally posted by GnatBug

    Maybe your right ..but the trend still drags down ... when will your summer end ... it seems it started the in Feb 2011 and is still in full swing ...long summer m8t ?

    thats about normal. Usually the down trend starts late Feb, early March and begins to tick back up in september. Usually around that time is when Class work starts pilling up for students and adults start looking at vacations.

  • helthroshelthros Member UncommonPosts: 1,449

    This Ghost guy is so out of touch with the reality of this game, I would be embarrassed mouthing off like he has.

     

    My alliance does small roams every day all week in nullsec. I do small 3 man PvP with some of my buddies. I go out solo looking for kills (though I'm not very good at it yet). You are full of bs sir ghost.

     

    Sorry buddy, but this game isn't about having 15vs15, go browse through the expansive selection of MMORPGS with battlegrounds if 'fair' fights is what you're looking for. Check out Black Prophecy, that might be more to your lliking.

     

    Trolls will be trolls.

  • GnatBugGnatBug Member Posts: 75

    yep its dieing ...confirmed

  • FaxxerFaxxer Member Posts: 3,247

    for all you 2003 players that leave, us newer players will have more room in nullsec to split up.

     

    good bye and don't let the door hit ya.

     

    2008 player.  ....and still happy as can be.

  • HYPERI0NHYPERI0N Member Posts: 3,515
    I thnk there are two main reasons the subs are going le they are.

    1. Incarna was a big dissapointment, whle its true we expected to just get a single captains room what we didnt expect was to get hat and litterly nothng else. No furniture options, no real wardrobe etc etc. It was just a room.

    2. Summer is here nd i would rather go outside and enjoy some sun.

    Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981

  • generals3generals3 Member Posts: 3,307

    Originally posted by Faxxer

    for all you 2003 players that leave, us newer players will have more room in nullsec to split up.

     

    good bye and don't let the door hit ya.

     

    2008 player.  ....and still happy as can be.

    I guess, though the russians are eating it all up. Not like i care, i left 0.0 and their politics long time ago (didn't last long either :p)

     

    Tbh the drama about incarna is just silly. The only valid complaint about it is the removal of the old hangar view which now became a door for those who can't handle the CQ (which is horrible performance wise).

    For the rest yea it was disapointing but it's only the beginning, i have strong faith WiS will be something great once it's fully released.

    Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.
    Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.

  • CactusJackCactusJack Member UncommonPosts: 393

    someone plz save this link as it will get posted in the summer of 2012 as well. It has been posted every summer since 2006 that I can remember. I don't know if people realize that most of the good people in the world actually want to go OUTSIDE when it's warm. I happen to live somewhere where it's hot 10 months out of 12, so it's no big deal for me. However, I'm the exception.

    Let's see..I've been in about 12 corps in about 8 alliances on and off for 5 years. Here's the breakdown in summer: students want to see girls in bikini's so they are busy. Students want to drink with girls that they were with all day in the sun...so they are busy at night. I used to be in a corp with a school teacher. He actually traveled and spent time doing single guy stuff in the summer.

    Which leads us to married people. What do most married people have? Kids. What do they do for 3 months when there's no school? Oh..they want to do stuff with their families. Which in my case includes stuff like this...trips to the mall, trips to the zoo, fishing and boating, movies, eating out, going to the park, going to the beach. Oh and what else? Family inlaws want to come to town to see said rugrats...so that takes up more time.

    Any of this making sense? The world doesn't revolve around EvE..even if people that don't have anyone that they are responsible too in their lives don't recognize this. I know that may come as a shock..but EvE is a game. It will always drop in the warmer months because of said examples.

    If you want a direct correlation why don't people post in December..."EvE's population is soaring!!!!!" Because no one wants good news, that isn't forum worthy. Ever attack Russian Space in the winter? Not a good idea.

     

    Edit: Spelling

    Playing: BF4/BF:Hardline, Subnautica 7 days to die
    Hiatus: EvE
    Waiting on: World of Darkness(sigh)
    Interested in: better games in general

  • qazymanqazyman Member Posts: 1,785

    The current record of 63,170 online was posted on January 23, 2011. Make of it what you will, but it wasn't that long ago. A year and a half from now, if that's still the record, the OP might be on to something.

  • ThillianThillian Member UncommonPosts: 3,156

    Originally posted by qazyman

    The current record of 63,170 online was posted on January 23, 2011. Make of it what you will, but it wasn't that long ago. A year and a half from now, if that's still the record, the OP might be on to something.

     Any financial analysis is only based monthly, i.e. you can compare January 2011 with January 2010 or January 2012. You can not compare January with August and be serious about it.

    REALITY CHECK

  • qazymanqazyman Member Posts: 1,785

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by qazyman

    The current record of 63,170 online was posted on January 23, 2011. Make of it what you will, but it wasn't that long ago. A year and a half from now, if that's still the record, the OP might be on to something.

     Any financial analysis is only based monthly, i.e. you can compare January 2011 with January 2010 or January 2012. You can not compare January with August and be serious about it.


    I going to pretend that even remotely made sense image
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    Originally posted by qazyman

    I going to pretend that even remotely made sense image

    It does actually.

    Gamers play more certain time of the years, particularly the holidays and they play less during the summer when the weather is fine.

    You can't compare how many players a game had the 26th of december with how many it have the 23rd August and say since it have less today it have lost players.

    Months are not as bad but winter and autumn months still have more players than spring and summer months so the easiest way to compare is to pick a month and check the subs every year that month.

  • qazymanqazyman Member Posts: 1,785

    Originally posted by Loke666

    Originally posted by qazyman

    I going to pretend that even remotely made sense image

    It does actually.

    Gamers play more certain time of the years, particularly the holidays and they play less during the summer when the weather is fine.

    You can't compare how many players a game had the 26th of december with how many it have the 23rd August and say since it have less today it have lost players.

    Months are not as bad but winter and autumn months still have more players than spring and summer months so the easiest way to compare is to pick a month and check the subs every year that month.


    Thus the "year and a half". I was comparing January to January, but it doesn’t matter because that isn’t the point.


     


    If a game has been out for 7 or 8 year and has it’s highest numbers during the current year, it’s going to take over a year to say anything definitive.


     


    So it really doesn’t make any sense at all, and your post isn’t much better.  Just say’n.

  • GnatBugGnatBug Member Posts: 75

    I dont want poeple to get all "Upset" about this thread ... i just see a drop from the Start of the year and the PCU numbers are moving lower and lower. I look at that chart on there EVE home page most Sundays ...and it is always lower than the sunday before. Even if its just by a fraction.

    Also summer happens all over the planet. If its Summer in the UK its Winter in the US ... and so on. So I dont see how we can blame the weather for the sub drop unless .. 80% of the players are in the UK?

    Or am i missing somthing ... :-)

  • ThillianThillian Member UncommonPosts: 3,156

    Originally posted by qazyman

    Originally posted by Loke666


    Originally posted by qazyman

    I going to pretend that even remotely made sense image

    It does actually.

    Gamers play more certain time of the years, particularly the holidays and they play less during the summer when the weather is fine.

    You can't compare how many players a game had the 26th of december with how many it have the 23rd August and say since it have less today it have lost players.

    Months are not as bad but winter and autumn months still have more players than spring and summer months so the easiest way to compare is to pick a month and check the subs every year that month.


    Thus the "year and a half". I was comparing January to January, but it doesn’t matter because that isn’t the point.


     


    If a game has been out for 7 or 8 year and has it’s highest numbers during the current year, it’s going to take over a year to say anything definitive.


     


    So it really doesn’t make any sense at all, and your post isn’t much better.  Just say’n.

     For example, any sort of financial statements that is being published by Funcom is solely being compared as follows: Q1 of 2010 with Q1 of 2011, Q2 of 2010 with Q2 of 2011 and so on. This is common practice. If you can't understand why, I hope you can at least use google.com and find it out by yourself, as this is used in every sort of business, including things like National budgets - if they announce, gas industry went up by 5% this month, they meant it improved 5% compared to the same month of previous year.

    REALITY CHECK

  • CodenakCodenak Member UncommonPosts: 418

    Originally posted by GnatBug

    Also summer happens all over the planet. If its Summer in the UK its Winter in the US ... and so on. So I dont see how we can blame the weather for the sub drop unless .. 80% of the players are in the UK?

    Or am i missing somthing ... :-)

    Actually, yes.

    Planetary axial  tilt and wobble determines summer and winter, so you'd need to compare a country in the northern hemisphere with a country in the southern hemisphere for your example to be correct, in the case of Earth.

    Pedantic but true :)

  • KitKat1KitKat1 Member Posts: 33

    LOL ...

    anyway ..On high note the OP actualy has a point. The Graph is moving lower on EvEs web site. Every week its just below the previouse week.

    Also the EVE Offline API to retrieve info is suddely offline. Yes you can still see the graphs but you can not pull the data like you where able to do a month ago... Why?

    Also there is without a dout a downward trend from the start of this year and no amount of fanboy feavour can cover that up.

    "I see you like to chew!"

  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529

    Originally posted by KitKat1

    LOL ...

    anyway ..On high note the OP actualy has a point. The Graph is moving lower on EvEs web site. Every week its just below the previouse week.

    Also the EVE Offline API to retrieve info is suddely offline. Yes you can still see the graphs but you can not pull the data like you where able to do a month ago... Why?

    Also there is without a dout a downward trend from the start of this year and no amount of fanboy feavour can cover that up.

    "I see you like to chew!"

    As far as I know, CCP has been open that the so called 'monocle-gate' that the OP is referring to, has led to people un-subbing their accounts. So I doubt there is any cover up really.

    http://www.gamereactor.eu/articles/7985/The+Trial+of+EVE+Online/

    "one of the biggest cases of people cancelling subs in the history of EVE"

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