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IRC mods cracking down.

MoreplexMoreplex Member Posts: 472

This is a chat from IRC that was retyped in this thread.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/66182-state-irc.html#post1200743

It really shows a mod PENDRAGON just banning for any ill talk of the game.

 

What is comical is Mod Pendragon saying 100's of new people come to MO everyday when most of the pop are saying the game is at a dismal population. 


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Sorry for the terrible copy paste. Was hoping it would be a bit clearer, I will do it here in type.



Pendragon: We get hundreds of new players everday, but the same unconstructive bullshit, bashing mods, bashing the gm tm, telling people how gay you are: the devs dont wanna hang around and new people dont wanna join.



Pendragon: not allowing this crap anymore



Kuthara: 100s of new people every day?



L: 100s BULL shit ^.^



L; L is banned 24 hours



Kuthara: Erm maybe there is 100 people playing the game on a good day.. maybe. Something needs to be done to boost the pop abit me thinks.



Kuthara; Dude you cant boot someone for dissagreeing with you ^.^



Kuthara is banned for 24 hours (No explination)





This really does seem like a mod just throwing his weight around because he can. I dont really like L but he should not have been banned for that comment and I had litrally only just logged on and posted that and I was also banned. I do not think I broke any rules by what I posted. It really seems like there is ALOT of irregularity on IRC also. Sometimes people get away with saying some pretty blatent bannable things while a mod is present and othertimes it would appear Mods just ban for the hell of it. There needs to be consitancy.



 


 


What I do find funny in the thread is a player basically telling Kutai if you want to complain about MO you need to go to places like mmorpg.com


 


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  • MoreplexMoreplex Member Posts: 472

    Thread has ofcourse been deleted.

  • JakdstripperJakdstripper Member RarePosts: 2,410

    MO has some of the most censored forums i've ever seen. their moderators are borderline "gestapo" like. even nuns at a convent school let you get away with more. they are not just strict but also completely random. no consistency what's over.

     it's funny because they think it actually helps the game, wile it does nothing but piss off their paying customers. either way, they own the game, they own the forums and they can do with it what they feel like it. i'm just going to stay clear, and will advise anyone i know to do the same.

  • MordragMOMordragMO Member Posts: 136

    Originally posted by Moreplex




     


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  • deathshrouddeathshroud Member Posts: 1,366

    many of my guild members have had issues with pendragon also, i jsut avoid irc for anything other than trade.

    there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  • raff01raff01 Member Posts: 453

    When Veterans who had joined since 2009 advise other players to have their voices heard on other mmo sites, you know the company running the game really is shit...

  • ToferioToferio Member UncommonPosts: 1,411

    Majority of MO mods are a joke, specially immature powerhungry kids like Pendragon, who abuse mod power as soon someone disagree with them. 100 new people every day? What a freaking joke. Sadly, nothing can be done about the situation, since mod structure is controlled by ex-AI members.. I think it was suspected that Shinzon is the CM, no? They all cover eachother, and Henrik doesn't seems to quite care about what's going on in IRC any more.

    They argue that they are trying to create a better atmosphere for new people, but here is a newflash: driving away your real customers by going nazi modding is not the way to go, considering how few new people there are. Getting banned from IRC is missing half of the gameplay you pay for, since because of the stupid game design IRC is a must for efficient communications.

    Mods are bashed because they deserve to be bashed. Ever considered that the problem lies within how mods behave, not the community, eh?

  • nortoninortoni Member Posts: 48

    Sometimes my powers even amaze me!  Before my ban a banned poster's earlier posts could still be read.   No more.  All articulate critique will henceforth go elsewhere.  I'm amazed they haven't closed my account yet but I suppose its just a matter of time.

    New patch today; new promises; old questions:


    1. Fixes or new exploitable brokenness?

    2. New GM or old GM with a new name?  Or new GM with old GM attitude?

    3. Why would the major guild leaders have bothered to attend their special meeting last night without first arranging for another round of mass cancellations the way the PK guilds tend to do if the latest of their demands in Nave are not met?

    Enquiring minds are laughing hysterically at such Carebear foolishness; If you won't fight SV using weapons of mass out of game PK the way the PK players do you will be ganked for the duration.  Its long past time to move on regardless of your love of MO's undelivered potential.

    Meanwhile the gangs will continue their ganking spree.  Be sure to join one if you decide to play.

    Its about me

  • ToferioToferio Member UncommonPosts: 1,411

    Originally posted by nortoni

    1. New GM or old GM with a new name?  Or new GM with old GM attitude?

    That's funny, have it happened before? Would say a lot about a company then.

  • HanoverZHanoverZ Member Posts: 1,239

    People are getting banned for speaking out in a private IRC in which SV has stated numerous times isn't "official"???

    If the paying public have concerns perhaps STARVAULT should listen!!!image

     

     

    I win!!! LOL@U

  • osmundaosmunda Member Posts: 1,087

    Pendragon: We get hundreds of new players everday, but the same unconstructive bullshit, bashing mods, bashing the gm tm, telling people how gay you are: the devs dont wanna hang around and new people dont wanna join.



    Pendragon: not allowing this crap anymore

     

    Would be nice to see a more complete log of this IRC chat. From the portion I quoted above, it's pretty clear that Pendragon was already annoyed by some of the behavior in IRC even before this exchange. Without knowing what came before it's hard to know what to make of this.

    This could very well be like complaining about a cop giving you a ticket for calling him stupid. (i.e. the ticket was for speeding, calling him stupid is just what made him decide that a warning was not enough).

    As to the thread being deleted, one of the best ways to get yourself moderated is to complain about the moderators. That's true on this forum just the same as it is there.

     

    As to "hundreds of new players everday" , yes that was off base. That being said, he was exagerating the damage done by " the same unconstructive bullshit, bashing mods, bashing the gm tm, telling people how gay you are to try to dissuade them from that activity.

  • CatchmeifuCatchmeifu Member Posts: 45

    Originally posted by osmunda

    Pendragon: We get hundreds of new players everday, but the same unconstructive bullshit, bashing mods, bashing the gm tm, telling people how gay you are: the devs dont wanna hang around and new people dont wanna join.



    Pendragon: not allowing this crap anymore

     

    Would be nice to see a more complete log of this IRC chat. From the portion I quoted above, it's pretty clear that Pendragon was already annoyed by some of the behavior in IRC even before this exchange. Without knowing what came before it's hard to know what to make of this.

    This could very well be like complaining about a cop giving you a ticket for calling him stupid. (i.e. the ticket was for speeding, calling him stupid is just what made him decide that a warning was not enough).

    As to the thread being deleted, one of the best ways to get yourself moderated is to complain about the moderators. That's true on this forum just the same as it is there.

     

    As to "hundreds of new players everday" , yes that was off base. That being said, he was exagerating the damage done by " the same unconstructive bullshit, bashing mods, bashing the gm tm, telling people how gay you are to try to dissuade them from that activity.

    Yeah totally agree.

     

    I havent gone on irc for the past 3 days but Pendragon is the best mod (imo). So i may be a little biased. Also it might not have been Pendragon that kick/banned them.

     

    And as to them cracking down ,its there channel they can do what they want.

     

    Dont like it ,dont use it.

  • funkmastaDfunkmastaD Member UncommonPosts: 647

    Originally posted by HanoverZ

    People are getting banned for speaking out in a private IRC in which SV has stated numerous times isn't "official"???

    If the paying public have concerns perhaps STARVAULT should listen!!!image

     

     

     

    Well, most of the 'paying public' of MO doesn't care about IRC, has rarely been on there, and would never say the stupid stuff that gets people banned from there.

     

    Seriously, people antagonize a mod and flip out when the mod does the only thing a mod can do?

     

    Besides, the poster above me is right.  Their house, their rules.  

     

    And finally, compare MO's moderation to EVE's (because I don't forumwhore on a lot of forums tbh).  First, you're allowed to say much more R-rated stuff in MOFO.  Second, 'bashing-the-game' posts are moderated very similiarly.  Criticisms in a certain tone stay, criticisms in another certain tone gets deleted.  It's all standard, it's just that CCP can afford more moderators, so the deleted posts don't hang out for half the day, thus get screenshotted and plastered on mmorpg.com, etc.

     

  • MordragMOMordragMO Member Posts: 136

    Originally posted by funkmastaD

    And finally, compare MO's moderation to EVE's (because I don't forumwhore on a lot of forums tbh).  First, you're allowed to say much more R-rated stuff in MOFO.  Second, 'bashing-the-game' posts are moderated very similiarly.  Criticisms in a certain tone stay, criticisms in another certain tone gets deleted.  It's all standard, it's just that CCP can afford more moderators, so the deleted posts don't hang out for half the day, thus get screenshotted and plastered on mmorpg.com, etc.

     

    Nah. Browse the Eve forums. 99% of the topics are harsh complaints about Eve, like problems never getting fixed, and recently, about CCP taking wholly wrong turns. CCP tolerates it and has community managers that still have ties to the community. The devs themselves use the soom(tm) joke and there are actual discussions about hot topics. Recently the moderation has increased due to pressure from the same morons who killed Eve by introducing microtransactions, but it's nowhere close to the fascist "opinion management" of StarVault.

     

    Now browse the super-happy-land that is the MO forum. Not even going to describe that anymore cause everyone who's here knows what it's like there.

  • pockets666pockets666 Member Posts: 198

    Seems Pendragon is turning out to be quite the Nazi Mod.

    http://www.anquer-quare.eu/forums/showthread.php/576-Kootenay%28Landor%29-and-Talwin%28Sindas%29?p=4762&viewfull=1#post4762







    1. we should just change the title to this thread to be, "The Mods of MO IRC"





      [04:23:03] -->| [FOR]Raknor (c24f5605@) has joined #mortalonline



      [04:28:23] [FEAR]Astinos Wow

      [04:28:47] [FEAR]Astinos Starfault you ******* useless at everything i swear, example hosting events and making bugged items



      [04:29:47] Pendragon not the place to rage

      [04:30:07] Pendragon don't do it, or I will ban you.



      [04:30:29] [FEAR]Astinos Um why not, I just lost well had the event items missing since start of event

      [04:32:13] [FEAR]Astinos Due to it being bugged

      [04:32:19] [FEAR]Astinos and them not replacing it

      [04:32:41] [FEAR]Astinos So why shouldnt i be mad?



      [04:33:49] =-= [FEAR]Astinos was booted from #mortalonline by mobot (24HR BAN sitting in the support teamspeak we hear these things before you start popping in here to rage about this-- you've already talked about it w/ GMs, you're not rehashing it here OR on the forums just for the sake of upsetting others. Cool off: don't try to start a riot.)



      [04:35:15] Pendragon Misery loves company I swear...



      [04:35:25] [FEAR]Skalicon He seems to have a legitiment reason to be mad.

      [04:36:11] [FEAR]Skalicon Is being upset against the rules now? Sorry I didn't know. I'll make sure I only speak about how wonderful this game is from now on.



      [04:36:24] Pendragon This isn't about being upset being against the rules



      [04:36:40] [FEAR]Skalicon What did ge discuss that was against the rules?

      [04:36:49] [FEAR]Skalicon Copy paste the rule right here

      [04:37:29] [FEAR]Skalicon Because if he was breaking the rules then I am right now too.



      [04:39:04] =-= [FEAR]Skalicon was booted from #mortalonline by mobot (24HR BAN you're not backing him up either-- don't get sucked into HIS fight: do not challenge us on the rules-- he had his time w/ the GMs and came here only to protest and he's already succeeded in riling you up as well. its disruptive and we're not having any of it.)



      [04:46:50] -->| [FEAR]MrWolf (Skalicon@) has joined #mortalonline

      [04:47:03] [FEAR]MrWolf Ohh hello all.

      [04:48:27] <--| [FEAR]MrWolf has left #mortalonline



      [04:52:33] [AQ]Clandestine lol, the mod who is taking upon themselves to post their power trip in that ban message should take it to pm's instead of doing it publicly. that is very unprofessional



      [04:53:29] =-= YOU ([AQ]Clandestine) have been booted from #mortalonline by mobot (72HR BAN just took you off ban and here you are going right back on there: 3 days. Keep it up and we can fast track you to a perma ban.)





  • wyldmagikwyldmagik Member UncommonPosts: 516

    this sh*T is just going to go ballistic :D

  • raff01raff01 Member Posts: 453

    Originally posted by pockets666

    Seems Pendragon is turning out to be quite the Nazi Mod.

    http://www.anquer-quare.eu/forums/showthread.php/576-Kootenay%28Landor%29-and-Talwin%28Sindas%29?p=4762&viewfull=1#post4762







    1. we should just change the title to this thread to be, "The Mods of MO IRC"





      [04:23:03] -->| [FOR]Raknor (c24f5605@) has joined #mortalonline



      [04:28:23] [FEAR]Astinos Wow

      [04:28:47] [FEAR]Astinos Starfault you ******* useless at everything i swear, example hosting events and making bugged items



      [04:29:47] Pendragon not the place to rage

      [04:30:07] Pendragon don't do it, or I will ban you.



      [04:30:29] [FEAR]Astinos Um why not, I just lost well had the event items missing since start of event

      [04:32:13] [FEAR]Astinos Due to it being bugged

      [04:32:19] [FEAR]Astinos and them not replacing it

      [04:32:41] [FEAR]Astinos So why shouldnt i be mad?



      [04:33:49] =-= [FEAR]Astinos was booted from #mortalonline by mobot (24HR BAN sitting in the support teamspeak we hear these things before you start popping in here to rage about this-- you've already talked about it w/ GMs, you're not rehashing it here OR on the forums just for the sake of upsetting others. Cool off: don't try to start a riot.)



      [04:35:15] Pendragon Misery loves company I swear...



      [04:35:25] [FEAR]Skalicon He seems to have a legitiment reason to be mad.

      [04:36:11] [FEAR]Skalicon Is being upset against the rules now? Sorry I didn't know. I'll make sure I only speak about how wonderful this game is from now on.



      [04:36:24] Pendragon This isn't about being upset being against the rules



      [04:36:40] [FEAR]Skalicon What did ge discuss that was against the rules?

      [04:36:49] [FEAR]Skalicon Copy paste the rule right here

      [04:37:29] [FEAR]Skalicon Because if he was breaking the rules then I am right now too.



      [04:39:04] =-= [FEAR]Skalicon was booted from #mortalonline by mobot (24HR BAN you're not backing him up either-- don't get sucked into HIS fight: do not challenge us on the rules-- he had his time w/ the GMs and came here only to protest and he's already succeeded in riling you up as well. its disruptive and we're not having any of it.)



      [04:46:50] -->| [FEAR]MrWolf (Skalicon@) has joined #mortalonline

      [04:47:03] [FEAR]MrWolf Ohh hello all.

      [04:48:27] <--| [FEAR]MrWolf has left #mortalonline



      [04:52:33] [AQ]Clandestine lol, the mod who is taking upon themselves to post their power trip in that ban message should take it to pm's instead of doing it publicly. that is very unprofessional



      [04:53:29] =-= YOU ([AQ]Clandestine) have been booted from #mortalonline by mobot (72HR BAN just took you off ban and here you are going right back on there: 3 days. Keep it up and we can fast track you to a perma ban.)





    ROFLMAO ! SV at their best !

  • GMan3GMan3 Member CommonPosts: 2,127

    Originally posted by pockets666

    Seems Pendragon is turning out to be quite the Nazi Mod.

    http://www.anquer-quare.eu/forums/showthread.php/576-Kootenay%28Landor%29-and-Talwin%28Sindas%29?p=4762&viewfull=1#post4762







    1. we should just change the title to this thread to be, "The Mods of MO IRC"





      [04:23:03] -->| [FOR]Raknor (c24f5605@) has joined #mortalonline



      [04:28:23] [FEAR]Astinos Wow

      [04:28:47] [FEAR]Astinos Starfault you ******* useless at everything i swear, example hosting events and making bugged items



      [04:29:47] Pendragon not the place to rage

      [04:30:07] Pendragon don't do it, or I will ban you.



      [04:30:29] [FEAR]Astinos Um why not, I just lost well had the event items missing since start of event

      [04:32:13] [FEAR]Astinos Due to it being bugged

      [04:32:19] [FEAR]Astinos and them not replacing it

      [04:32:41] [FEAR]Astinos So why shouldnt i be mad?



      [04:33:49] =-= [FEAR]Astinos was booted from #mortalonline by mobot (24HR BAN sitting in the support teamspeak we hear these things before you start popping in here to rage about this-- you've already talked about it w/ GMs, you're not rehashing it here OR on the forums just for the sake of upsetting others. Cool off: don't try to start a riot.)



      [04:35:15] Pendragon Misery loves company I swear...



      [04:35:25] [FEAR]Skalicon He seems to have a legitiment reason to be mad.

      [04:36:11] [FEAR]Skalicon Is being upset against the rules now? Sorry I didn't know. I'll make sure I only speak about how wonderful this game is from now on.



      [04:36:24] Pendragon This isn't about being upset being against the rules



      [04:36:40] [FEAR]Skalicon What did ge discuss that was against the rules?

      [04:36:49] [FEAR]Skalicon Copy paste the rule right here

      [04:37:29] [FEAR]Skalicon Because if he was breaking the rules then I am right now too.



      [04:39:04] =-= [FEAR]Skalicon was booted from #mortalonline by mobot (24HR BAN you're not backing him up either-- don't get sucked into HIS fight: do not challenge us on the rules-- he had his time w/ the GMs and came here only to protest and he's already succeeded in riling you up as well. its disruptive and we're not having any of it.)



      [04:46:50] -->| [FEAR]MrWolf (Skalicon@) has joined #mortalonline

      [04:47:03] [FEAR]MrWolf Ohh hello all.

      [04:48:27] <--| [FEAR]MrWolf has left #mortalonline



      [04:52:33] [AQ]Clandestine lol, the mod who is taking upon themselves to post their power trip in that ban message should take it to pm's instead of doing it publicly. that is very unprofessional



      [04:53:29] =-= YOU ([AQ]Clandestine) have been booted from #mortalonline by mobot (72HR BAN just took you off ban and here you are going right back on there: 3 days. Keep it up and we can fast track you to a perma ban.)





         Wow, I thought the Mods on this forums were nuts sometimes, but THAT is just plain stupid.  I'm not sure why anyone would still be playing this game.

    "If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"

  • ToferioToferio Member UncommonPosts: 1,411

    Originally posted by Catchmeifu

    Dont like it ,dont use it.

    That logic no longer applies when IRC is a must for being able to play the game, due to badly designed communication tools and economy. All trading goes through IRC, and now even in-game event announcements (NaveHerald, anyone?). Not using it is cutting out good 50% of the gameplay experince.

    And I think the above chat just shows how terrible MO mods are. There is a line between healthy modding and nazi modding, which he crossed long time ago, abiding his own preferences instead of following rules he should enforce. Looks like mods have some kind of delusive image of kindergarden IRC where everyone is playing nicely and as soon as anyone calls anyone anything rude it's banhammer time. Good luck sustaining that in a sandbox atmosphere.

  • nortoninortoni Member Posts: 48

    And yet  he is still a mod.  Doing his job.    Perhaps he is just following orders.

     

    Works as SV intends nowadays I think.

    Its about me

  • Cyde77Cyde77 Member UncommonPosts: 101

    One from Koot this time ^^

     

    19:06 <[FEAR]Thirst> Erdrick, you cant talk about bananas either.

    19:06 [FEAR]Thi was kicked from #mortalonline by mobot (No trolling)

    19:06 [FEAR]Thi joins #mortalonline

    19:07 <[FEAR]Thirst> meh :/ just a warning.

    19:07 <@kootenay>; ok if you feel that way then

    19:07 [FEAR]Thi was kicked from #mortalonline by mobot (168HR BAN No trolling)

    19:08 <[AQ]Gigamo> wat

    19:08 <[AQ]Afterlife> just wow

    19:08 <[AQ]Warchild> wow

    19:08 i may be wrong, but seems to me koot is the one trolling now

    19:08 <[AQ]Monty> Wow, this seriously must be Koot:

    http://moneybearpig.com/wp-content/u.../04/forum1.jpg

    19:09 [AQ]Monty was kicked from #mortalonline by mobot (No trolling either)

     

    EDIT: anyone else think of Tiananmen Square when they think of the SV mods? ^^

  • raff01raff01 Member Posts: 453

    that shows just how pathetic SV are at managing their business : the game is already in deep shit, their finances are terrible and they keep losing paying customers everyday, they have a very small harcore playerbase that's hanging by a thread, and YET they find a way to piss them off even more treating them like crap.

  • ToferioToferio Member UncommonPosts: 1,411

    Originally posted by nortoni

    And yet  he is still a mod.  Doing his job.    Perhaps he is just following orders.

    Or perhaps SV just lack any better candidates. I think the later.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,667

    Originally posted by Cyde77

    One from Koot this time ^^

     

    19:06 <[FEAR]Thirst> Erdrick, you cant talk about bananas either.

    19:06 [FEAR]Thi was kicked from #mortalonline by mobot (No trolling)

    19:06 [FEAR]Thi joins #mortalonline

    19:07 <[FEAR]Thirst> meh :/ just a warning.

    19:07 <@kootenay>; ok if you feel that way then

    19:07 [FEAR]Thi was kicked from #mortalonline by mobot (168HR BAN No trolling)

    19:08 <[AQ]Gigamo> wat

    19:08 <[AQ]Afterlife> just wow

    19:08 <[AQ]Warchild> wow

    19:08 i may be wrong, but seems to me koot is the one trolling now

    19:08 <[AQ]Monty> Wow, this seriously must be Koot:

    http://moneybearpig.com/wp-content/u.../04/forum1.jpg

    19:09 [AQ]Monty was kicked from #mortalonline by mobot (No trolling either)

     

    EDIT: anyone else think of Tiananmen Square when they think of the SV mods? ^^

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  • Cyde77Cyde77 Member UncommonPosts: 101

    well slapshot the implication is that we dont passively encourage it at all, because we speak out against it time and time again and nothing changes, it just gets worse.

     

    you'll be happy to hear though that the state of the game is finally starting to break some of the vets. i did quit last month but was tempted back by the war but now that's gone there's nothing left. no reason to log in because of the bugs and population, no reason to make any discussion or criticism cos the mods come crushing down on you.

  • ToferioToferio Member UncommonPosts: 1,411


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    Quote:


    Originally Posted by Catchmeifucan View Post


    I been a bad boy


    yea a lesson i quickly learned, they will report your post for jsut about anything they can so expect warnings etc on a regular basis unless you know how to keep it civilised, the mmorpg forums are more censored than the mo forums. on the mo forums i have had 2 infractions in 1.5 years, on the mmorpg forums i have had 1 perma ban, 1 temp ban and around 4 warnings in less than 6 months and i generally keep it rather tame and civilised

     

     

    Kinda funny reading the above statements, considering threads such as this. While mmorpg mods may be strict, they at least follow the rules, while mods at MO are randomly banning people they just think feels right and delete any threads that may make game look in negative way, even if they are constructive or just goodbye threads.

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