i agree victor. I love to play with just my gf alot. That said i love to do dungeons and raids also.
Im sorry u cant give a person not willing to do the operations the same gear as those that run operations. There has to be an incentive for running operations and raids other then just i got to do this content.
Why shouldnt people doing the more complex and difficult content have better gear this from a wow player thats maybe seen 4 of the raids in wow if that.
Thousand times repeated lie will not become truth. It's a lie that just becouse you do raid dungeons you do harder content. For example i dont have to go that far - Rift with prenerfed T2 5 man dungeons, I knew quite a few ppl who raided and still were not able to do some of the hardest ones 5 mans.
And individual examples that prove your point do not actually prove your point either. Most games make the raids much harder than the traditional missions. Not all will be, but most will be and so what kalinis is saying is much more correct than what you are saying Malevil.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Stonger more difficult mobs drop better loot...amazing concept. I used to cry about not being able to solo every mob in EQ. Guess what I did, I rolled a different character that was better at soloing. The entire time I realized that I should not be able to solo for the very best gear in the game. The very best was for the hardcore people that had more time than I did.
And honestly 10 - 20% difference in gear is not worth causing yourself any stress.
That is the best point yet. If u arent gonna raid or pvp why do u need the best gear in game.
The reason u need the top gear is to run the next operation or to keep up in warzones world pvp and arenas.
im sorry i didnt do rift but i will say this wows raids were much harder then there 5 mans. At least the ones i ran.
Getting 10 or 25 people to work together is harder , boss mechanics were tougher, i dont know how many 5 mans i ran in wow never wiped and in raids i never made it past a boss the first time did it without a wipel
Opeartions should be harder then your hard mode flashpoints and while they have diffrent difficulty settings the harder opeartion u do the better your gear and thats as it should be.
Im sorry its an mmo how about u stop being anti social do some group stuff and u wont have to worry others have better gear then u.
not that it matters as a solo player i dont need or expect to have the best stat gear in game. Hell sometimes the lesser stat gear looks better then the top gear in games
wow gear is a great example of this the shaman helmet in icc and from icc tier was horrid i mean horrid looking it was an embarassment to wear i had to turn off view helm.
i'll never get gamers that play MULTIPLAYER online games, and complain cause they can't solo for gear that's PVP oriented, or Raid oriented.....then compare everything to WoW..... please don't play this game when it comes out, we don't want you in the community if all you are going to do is whine and complain in general chat and piss everyone off.
If you don't raid or pvp, why do you need the best gear?
As long as I can still get good looking gear I don't need it at all. What irritates me is games like WoW where when you do not raid you look like shyte, not that I need to most amazing looking gear but I want something good looking.
Also solo play doesn't mean easy, it is a design decision, they could make quests/missions only do able for one and really hard.
As someone who did raid way back during vanila WoW but now mainly solo plays with some pvp and dungeon running I can say....
...what did you expect? Sorry, I never expect to have gear as good as someone who raids when I am just going solo. That just seem ridiculous to me so why should I expect it? If someone has the stomach to raid that same dungeon fifty thousand times then they earned it and more power to them. I run in that hamster wheel and got sick of it but I also know that it took a lot of time investment so I can appreciate those that continue to do it. So I never feel I should get as much as those who raid consistently now that I do not.
So sorry I am like others. Why would I need raid level gear if I am not raiding anyway? Just for looks? As long as the gear I have is sufficient for my gameplay then I am fine. Just like if I pvp I expect pvp gear. So if I raid, I expect raid gear. If I solo I expect gear that gets me to achieve my goals as a solo player.
Originally posted by Katilla i'll never get gamers that play MULTIPLAYER online games, and complain cause they can't solo for gear that's PVP oriented, or Raid oriented.....then compare everything to WoW..... please don't play this game when it comes out, we don't want you in the community if all you are going to do is whine and complain in general chat and piss everyone off.
I haven't read this thread, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn a few times.
I don't think there needs to be side by side progression between solo and organized group players. I do think there should be options available for the solo players though, including a best in slot option for at least one piece of gear* from the solo progression path. Rift is doing this by offering solo and duo dungeons. No, you can't get the Raid level gear, but it's close and it's gear that would be useful in a raid if you opted to do them.
* The fact that people understand what I'm saying here kind of makes me sad about the whole gear progression end game.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
There is no place for crafting in a game where the best gear is obtained by raiding. Its simple, unless you can make the best gear, why expend the effort to craft the 3rd tier rubbish that no one appreciates.
I don't give a hiary rats arse if raiders have the best gear I just want something to do at endgame to get some good looking gear that is beneficial to my play style. Let raiders have the raid gear i don't need to flex an epeen my real one works wonders by itself.
I dont understand. The stats on pvp and operations gear is high so that you can be competitive in both. But if youre not going to do either of those types of content, why do you need the gear used to compete in it? Besides, the crafted gear is just one level below the operations gear, which is on par with flashpoint gear. Both of which are powerful enough to easily explore without fear of being stomped on by anything out in the world.
you know, i was thinking the same thing. if your a solo player i can see being upset that there is no solo endgame content. Im actually a bit annoyyed about that myself... but...... if you dont like to play with others, then your not going to pvp or raid... so what is teh point of havign teh best gear when your not really going to use it for its intended purpose?
I dident read through all 25 pages of this so if its been said....sorry but if all the ppl boo hooing about no solo not enuff solo content/play or what ever why dont you play rage or skyrim? or somthing like that there solo games I just dont get it.I dont raid Im to old and dont have the time to put into a 8-10-12 hour raid set up and run I just dont. I do play duo with my wife but i never complain about end game or raiding gear I just dosent matter. rember its just a game have fun or play somthing else its just that easy good luck to you.
Tor has solo end game content. First off u will have to finish your class quests at max level then there is a whole planet full of solo end game content.
That and crafted gear allows u to do raids. If u do raids for mats u can make operations level gear as a crafter as well.
So there is reasons to craft in this game.
Look the truth is the mats for the highest level gear like mods has to be gotten in operations. That said operations have difficutly settings so anyone can do them . Pugging them on normal will be alot easier then raiding in wow.
They have stated u can do an operation the moment u hit max level no gear grind necessary to raid.
Tor has solo end game content. First off u will have to finish your class quests at max level then there is a whole planet full of solo end game content.
That and crafted gear allows u to do raids. If u do raids for mats u can make operations level gear as a crafter as well.
So there is reasons to craft in this game.
Look the truth is the mats for the highest level gear like mods has to be gotten in operations. That said operations have difficutly settings so anyone can do them . Pugging them on normal will be alot easier then raiding in wow.
They have stated u can do an operation the moment u hit max level no gear grind necessary to raid.
I dont understand. The stats on pvp and operations gear is high so that you can be competitive in both. But if youre not going to do either of those types of content, why do you need the gear used to compete in it? Besides, the crafted gear is just one level below the operations gear, which is on par with flashpoint gear. Both of which are powerful enough to easily explore without fear of being stomped on by anything out in the world.
you know, i was thinking the same thing. if your a solo player i can see being upset that there is no solo endgame content. Im actually a bit annoyyed about that myself... but...... if you dont like to play with others, then your not going to pvp or raid... so what is teh point of havign teh best gear when your not really going to use it for its intended purpose?
As a dedicated crafter you are not doing it to Outfit yourself, but to sell the gear to others and to have reputation amongst other players in recognition of your efforts, if your gear is bettered by loot drops then it has little appeal.
but crafted gear does have a purpose it allows u to do the higher difficutly operations.
crafted gear not heroic gear is what will get people geared to do operations. have u played wow at all.
in that game people will run heroics all the time just so they get gear to run raids. believe me as a crafter people will buy our gear on ah if it gets them into the harder difficulty operation fights faster.
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And individual examples that prove your point do not actually prove your point either. Most games make the raids much harder than the traditional missions. Not all will be, but most will be and so what kalinis is saying is much more correct than what you are saying Malevil.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Stonger more difficult mobs drop better loot...amazing concept. I used to cry about not being able to solo every mob in EQ. Guess what I did, I rolled a different character that was better at soloing. The entire time I realized that I should not be able to solo for the very best gear in the game. The very best was for the hardcore people that had more time than I did.
And honestly 10 - 20% difference in gear is not worth causing yourself any stress.
If you don't raid or pvp, why do you need the best gear?
That is the best point yet. If u arent gonna raid or pvp why do u need the best gear in game.
The reason u need the top gear is to run the next operation or to keep up in warzones world pvp and arenas.
im sorry i didnt do rift but i will say this wows raids were much harder then there 5 mans. At least the ones i ran.
Getting 10 or 25 people to work together is harder , boss mechanics were tougher, i dont know how many 5 mans i ran in wow never wiped and in raids i never made it past a boss the first time did it without a wipel
Opeartions should be harder then your hard mode flashpoints and while they have diffrent difficulty settings the harder opeartion u do the better your gear and thats as it should be.
Im sorry its an mmo how about u stop being anti social do some group stuff and u wont have to worry others have better gear then u.
not that it matters as a solo player i dont need or expect to have the best stat gear in game. Hell sometimes the lesser stat gear looks better then the top gear in games
wow gear is a great example of this the shaman helmet in icc and from icc tier was horrid i mean horrid looking it was an embarassment to wear i had to turn off view helm.
i'll never get gamers that play MULTIPLAYER online games, and complain cause they can't solo for gear that's PVP oriented, or Raid oriented.....then compare everything to WoW..... please don't play this game when it comes out, we don't want you in the community if all you are going to do is whine and complain in general chat and piss everyone off.
I pointed this fact out on pg 22, but I don't think the OP is still visiting this thread. ;-)
As long as I can still get good looking gear I don't need it at all. What irritates me is games like WoW where when you do not raid you look like shyte, not that I need to most amazing looking gear but I want something good looking.
Also solo play doesn't mean easy, it is a design decision, they could make quests/missions only do able for one and really hard.
As someone who did raid way back during vanila WoW but now mainly solo plays with some pvp and dungeon running I can say....
...what did you expect? Sorry, I never expect to have gear as good as someone who raids when I am just going solo. That just seem ridiculous to me so why should I expect it? If someone has the stomach to raid that same dungeon fifty thousand times then they earned it and more power to them. I run in that hamster wheel and got sick of it but I also know that it took a lot of time investment so I can appreciate those that continue to do it. So I never feel I should get as much as those who raid consistently now that I do not.
So sorry I am like others. Why would I need raid level gear if I am not raiding anyway? Just for looks? As long as the gear I have is sufficient for my gameplay then I am fine. Just like if I pvp I expect pvp gear. So if I raid, I expect raid gear. If I solo I expect gear that gets me to achieve my goals as a solo player.
I haven't read this thread, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn a few times.
I don't think there needs to be side by side progression between solo and organized group players. I do think there should be options available for the solo players though, including a best in slot option for at least one piece of gear* from the solo progression path. Rift is doing this by offering solo and duo dungeons. No, you can't get the Raid level gear, but it's close and it's gear that would be useful in a raid if you opted to do them.
* The fact that people understand what I'm saying here kind of makes me sad about the whole gear progression end game.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
There is no place for crafting in a game where the best gear is obtained by raiding. Its simple, unless you can make the best gear, why expend the effort to craft the 3rd tier rubbish that no one appreciates.
I don't give a hiary rats arse if raiders have the best gear I just want something to do at endgame to get some good looking gear that is beneficial to my play style. Let raiders have the raid gear i don't need to flex an epeen my real one works wonders by itself.
you know, i was thinking the same thing. if your a solo player i can see being upset that there is no solo endgame content. Im actually a bit annoyyed about that myself... but...... if you dont like to play with others, then your not going to pvp or raid... so what is teh point of havign teh best gear when your not really going to use it for its intended purpose?
I dident read through all 25 pages of this so if its been said....sorry but if all the ppl boo hooing about no solo not enuff solo content/play or what ever why dont you play rage or skyrim? or somthing like that there solo games I just dont get it.I dont raid Im to old and dont have the time to put into a 8-10-12 hour raid set up and run I just dont. I do play duo with my wife but i never complain about end game or raiding gear I just dosent matter. rember its just a game have fun or play somthing else its just that easy good luck to you.
Tor has solo end game content. First off u will have to finish your class quests at max level then there is a whole planet full of solo end game content.
That and crafted gear allows u to do raids. If u do raids for mats u can make operations level gear as a crafter as well.
So there is reasons to craft in this game.
Look the truth is the mats for the highest level gear like mods has to be gotten in operations. That said operations have difficutly settings so anyone can do them . Pugging them on normal will be alot easier then raiding in wow.
They have stated u can do an operation the moment u hit max level no gear grind necessary to raid.
eh...so this thread is Much Ado about Nothing?
you know, i was thinking the same thing. if your a solo player i can see being upset that there is no solo endgame content. Im actually a bit annoyyed about that myself... but...... if you dont like to play with others, then your not going to pvp or raid... so what is teh point of havign teh best gear when your not really going to use it for its intended purpose?
As a dedicated crafter you are not doing it to Outfit yourself, but to sell the gear to others and to have reputation amongst other players in recognition of your efforts, if your gear is bettered by loot drops then it has little appeal.but crafted gear does have a purpose it allows u to do the higher difficutly operations.
crafted gear not heroic gear is what will get people geared to do operations. have u played wow at all.
in that game people will run heroics all the time just so they get gear to run raids. believe me as a crafter people will buy our gear on ah if it gets them into the harder difficulty operation fights faster.