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TammiTammi Member Posts: 5
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Hey guys. Stopped visiting Guru a few days ago after I saw that all of the mods had My Little Pony avatars and acted like a bloody Russian secret service with how they delete everyones posts and stop you from complaining about them. (no, they didn't do anything to me, so this isn't me ragequitting guru per se)

Anyway, the main point of the topic - any good GW2 forums out there? I visit Necrobator now and again and I sometimes lurk here on mmorpg, but other than that, I don't know of many decent GW2 communities. Kind of wish Anet would just make an official forum so we can atleast get some decent moderation, haha.

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  • Zeus.CMZeus.CM Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,788

    Except Guru, I can't think of any international forums. Mostly they are germans.

  • DJJazzyDJJazzy Member UncommonPosts: 2,053

    I only really check Guru and then some other non-specific game sites like Massively.com

    Here is a list of fan sites you can shift through, perhaps one of them will serve your needs.

    http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_fansites

  • DiovidiusDiovidius Member UncommonPosts: 1,026

    I wouldn't call Guru 'good' but usually information is found first there and devs quite actively read and post there. Besides, I don't care as much about what the mods do as some people seem to do.

  • Dream_ChaserDream_Chaser Member Posts: 1,043

    Originally posted by Diovidius

    I wouldn't call Guru 'good' but usually information is found first there and devs quite actively read and post there. Besides, I don't care as much about what the mods do as some people seem to do.

    It's that the mods shape information. One example is that people had one thread going where they were talking about character customisation and discussing whether or not the charr should have an upright stance overall, even when they're not casting. I didn't agree with this because I like the charr's hunched over stance, but I think that people should have the right to discuss it, yeah? It would give ArenaNet the chance to see whom likes what, and how much.

    That thread was then closed and people were directed to a largely irrelevant thread which they would've had to hijack to get their point across. In other words, the discussion was completely shut down. Killed outright. At the same time an even longer discussion about the Asura customisation options was still going on, and the last time I checked they still haven't closed that one. And it's subtle actions like that that they do in order to shape public opinion.

    The end result is that it looks like people are talking more about the asura and the sylvari, so naturally the sylvari and the asura must be more popular. Let's completely ignore the fact that the threads about other races were just shut down. And I could name a few names as people who do this. They shut down anything that disagrees with their personal tastes or opinions, and they come up with the most completely ridiculous reasons for doing so.

    This one example alone should be enough to prove it, but if you hang around Guru long enough then you'll see it happening. Just watch specifically what the mods do, they do it on a daily basis. And if it isn't thread closing then it's stealth deletion (deletion with no notice that they've deleted anything), or stealth edits. Anything to try and make it look like public opinion agrees with them. This is why I think that the notion of them being like some kind of Russian Secret Service is spot on.

    See, a large number of people have come here and said this, and they can't all be wronng. I think it's just that we've woken up to this first, whilst others are in denial, and really it's only a matter of time. Really ArenaNet, if you make that your primary forum then eventually it's going to be a PR disaster. The moderation there is completely out of control.

  • UnlightUnlight Member Posts: 2,540

    I go to Guru for news.  I come here for discussions.  The GW2 community here is smaller and you occassionally have to step over the trolls trying to drag you under the bridge to devour your patience, but the environment here is infinitely more open and the mods far more even-handed and forthcoming.

    I used to think that fan-run sites would be fine for GW2, but I've since changed my mind.  Guru has proven to me that fans can't be trusted to be the sole gatekeepers of communication between the user and the developer.

  • aspekxaspekx Member UncommonPosts: 2,167

    Originally posted by Unlight

    I go to Guru for news.  I come here for discussions.  The GW2 community here is smaller and you occassionally have to step over the trolls trying to drag you under the bridge to devour your patience, but the environment here is infinitely more open and the mods far more even-handed and forthcoming.

    I used to think that fan-run sites would be fine for GW2, but I've since changed my mind.  Guru has proven to me that fans can't be trusted to be the sole gatekeepers of communication between the user and the developer.

    well, to be fair they're just trying to please their corporate overlords. i mean, lapdogs always get a beta or maybe even an alpha key for thousands of hours of work don't they ;)

    "There are at least two kinds of games.
    One could be called finite, the other infinite.
    A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
    an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
    Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse

  • VerterdegeteVerterdegete Member UncommonPosts: 247

    Originally posted by Dream_Chaser

    Originally posted by Diovidius

    I wouldn't call Guru 'good' but usually information is found first there and devs quite actively read and post there. Besides, I don't care as much about what the mods do as some people seem to do.

    It's that the mods shape information. One example is that people had one thread going where they were talking about character customisation and discussing whether or not the charr should have an upright stance overall, even when they're not casting. I didn't agree with this because I like the charr's hunched over stance, but I think that people should have the right to discuss it, yeah? It would give ArenaNet the chance to see whom likes what, and how much.

    That thread was then closed and people were directed to a largely irrelevant thread which they would've had to hijack to get their point across. In other words, the discussion was completely shut down. Killed outright. At the same time an even longer discussion about the Asura customisation options was still going on, and the last time I checked they still haven't closed that one. And it's subtle actions like that that they do in order to shape public opinion.

    The end result is that it looks like people are talking more about the asura and the sylvari, so naturally the sylvari and the asura must be more popular. Let's completely ignore the fact that the threads about other races were just shut down. And I could name a few names as people who do this. They shut down anything that disagrees with their personal tastes or opinions, and they come up with the most completely ridiculous reasons for doing so.

    This one example alone should be enough to prove it, but if you hang around Guru long enough then you'll see it happening. Just watch specifically what the mods do, they do it on a daily basis. And if it isn't thread closing then it's stealth deletion (deletion with no notice that they've deleted anything), or stealth edits. Anything to try and make it look like public opinion agrees with them. This is why I think that the notion of them being like some kind of Russian Secret Service is spot on.

    See, a large number of people have come here and said this, and they can't all be wronng. I think it's just that we've woken up to this first, whilst others are in denial, and really it's only a matter of time. Really ArenaNet, if you make that your primary forum then eventually it's going to be a PR disaster. The moderation there is completely out of control.

     

    /Signed

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  • TammiTammi Member Posts: 5

    Originally posted by Dream_Chaser

    Originally posted by Diovidius

    I wouldn't call Guru 'good' but usually information is found first there and devs quite actively read and post there. Besides, I don't care as much about what the mods do as some people seem to do.

    It's that the mods shape information. One example is that people had one thread going where they were talking about character customisation and discussing whether or not the charr should have an upright stance overall, even when they're not casting. I didn't agree with this because I like the charr's hunched over stance, but I think that people should have the right to discuss it, yeah? It would give ArenaNet the chance to see whom likes what, and how much.

    That thread was then closed and people were directed to a largely irrelevant thread which they would've had to hijack to get their point across. In other words, the discussion was completely shut down. Killed outright. At the same time an even longer discussion about the Asura customisation options was still going on, and the last time I checked they still haven't closed that one. And it's subtle actions like that that they do in order to shape public opinion.

    The end result is that it looks like people are talking more about the asura and the sylvari, so naturally the sylvari and the asura must be more popular. Let's completely ignore the fact that the threads about other races were just shut down. And I could name a few names as people who do this. They shut down anything that disagrees with their personal tastes or opinions, and they come up with the most completely ridiculous reasons for doing so.

    This one example alone should be enough to prove it, but if you hang around Guru long enough then you'll see it happening. Just watch specifically what the mods do, they do it on a daily basis. And if it isn't thread closing then it's stealth deletion (deletion with no notice that they've deleted anything), or stealth edits. Anything to try and make it look like public opinion agrees with them. This is why I think that the notion of them being like some kind of Russian Secret Service is spot on.

    See, a large number of people have come here and said this, and they can't all be wronng. I think it's just that we've woken up to this first, whilst others are in denial, and really it's only a matter of time. Really ArenaNet, if you make that your primary forum then eventually it's going to be a PR disaster. The moderation there is completely out of control.

    This. I honestly wish there was some way to ask Arenanet to stop using Guru like they do now, because surely if they knew about the problems with the staff, they wouldn't use the place so much... right? I've always thought of Anet as a company with decent morals. Maybe we should start a petition. :P

    Either way, thanks for linking the wiki page to me DJJazzy. :>

  • DJJazzyDJJazzy Member UncommonPosts: 2,053

    Either way, thanks for linking the wiki page to me DJJazzy. :>

    Heh, not sure if that is sarcasm or not. I just don't know of any other site that has a sizeable community, hence why I posted that.

  • TammiTammi Member Posts: 5

    Originally posted by DJJazzy

    Either way, thanks for linking the wiki page to me DJJazzy. :>

    Heh, not sure if that is sarcasm or not. I just don't know of any other site that has a sizeable community, hence why I posted that.

     Nay, it wasn't sarcasm, haha. :P

  • ShojuShoju Member UncommonPosts: 776

    There really isn't very much to choose from.

    Guru's only vaule is news posts.  The site has little else redeeming to offer (see above posts and other threads like this one).  Ten Ton Hammer is a graveyard, and while their Necrobator off shoot site looks promising (if you are playing a Necromancer), their primary GW2 forums are a ghost town except for one poor sad bastard who posts links to news and stuff.

    The forums here are a little too prone to external disruption to promote a continuous level of decent discussion.

  • RameiArashiRameiArashi Member UncommonPosts: 294

    There was a thread at guildwars2guru started by somebody from England who wanted a UK English version of Guild Wars 2. Doesn't like American spellings of words like "color" (colour in the UK). It ran for several pages until a mod cut it down to one and closed it for no good reason.

    A couple weeks ago I was responding to a post over there and it wouldn't let me. I refreshed the page and discovered that while I was typing my reply the thread had been closed.   Mod claimed it wa a duplicate of another thread.

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  • fiontarfiontar Member UncommonPosts: 3,682

    Originally posted by Dream_Chaser

    Originally posted by Diovidius

    I wouldn't call Guru 'good' but usually information is found first there and devs quite actively read and post there. Besides, I don't care as much about what the mods do as some people seem to do.

    It's that the mods shape information. One example is that people had one thread going where they were talking about character customisation and discussing whether or not the charr should have an upright stance overall, even when they're not casting. I didn't agree with this because I like the charr's hunched over stance, but I think that people should have the right to discuss it, yeah? It would give ArenaNet the chance to see whom likes what, and how much.

    That thread was then closed and people were directed to a largely irrelevant thread which they would've had to hijack to get their point across. In other words, the discussion was completely shut down. Killed outright. At the same time an even longer discussion about the Asura customisation options was still going on, and the last time I checked they still haven't closed that one. And it's subtle actions like that that they do in order to shape public opinion.

    The end result is that it looks like people are talking more about the asura and the sylvari, so naturally the sylvari and the asura must be more popular. Let's completely ignore the fact that the threads about other races were just shut down. And I could name a few names as people who do this. They shut down anything that disagrees with their personal tastes or opinions, and they come up with the most completely ridiculous reasons for doing so.

    This one example alone should be enough to prove it, but if you hang around Guru long enough then you'll see it happening. Just watch specifically what the mods do, they do it on a daily basis. And if it isn't thread closing then it's stealth deletion (deletion with no notice that they've deleted anything), or stealth edits. Anything to try and make it look like public opinion agrees with them. This is why I think that the notion of them being like some kind of Russian Secret Service is spot on.

    See, a large number of people have come here and said this, and they can't all be wronng. I think it's just that we've woken up to this first, whilst others are in denial, and really it's only a matter of time. Really ArenaNet, if you make that your primary forum then eventually it's going to be a PR disaster. The moderation there is completely out of control.

    They actually deleted posts from the Asura thread that took a stance they didn't like, so the thread may still be there, but not all of the posts have survived. They do shape opinion at Guru, or at least the perception of opinion. People reading heavily moderated threads might make assumptions about what the community wants that just are not true.

    Many threads and posts that probably should get moderated aren't moderated, so I can only assume that this occurs when some mod has a pet issue they wish to shape.

    Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
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  • jondifooljondifool Member UncommonPosts: 1,143

    i post on guru , but i do feel its not always that healthy envirement for discussions, so i will for sure also like to know about a decent alternative.

    And so far this site have been the best alternative !

  • starstar Member Posts: 1,101
    Agreed 100% with Unlight.

    <3 the GW2 community here.

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  • RequiamerRequiamer Member Posts: 2,034

    I don't understand why Anet don't open some offi forum, i mean its fully part of any mmos since UO, for me its a must have for any mmo, its part of the massively. And even if most of my Nc games i played had better unoffi forum than offi, i don't think there is any excuse for them not have one. At least as a centralisation feature. For guru i don't know, had a lot of prob to register there, so i have no habit to check it. Use this one, at least the moderation here isn't as bad as you described. The only problem here is the other games forumers that kind of poison the atmosphere, but its still good, and might end once Swtor and GW2 goes live, at least you can hope.

  • 1carcarah11carcarah1 Member Posts: 172

    I think its too much QQ and people management for an unreleased game an official GW2 forum would bring to ArenaNet. Probably doesnt worth the risk.

    And i'd rather read this site's SWTOR forum than guildwars2guru. At least SWTOR's has better(or at least funnier) arguments between trolls and fanbois

  • BritasBritas Member Posts: 46

    Originally posted by Tammi

    Hey guys. Stopped visiting Guru a few days ago after I saw that all of the mods had My Little Pony avatars and acted like a bloody Russian secret service with how they delete everyones posts and stop you from complaining about them. (no, they didn't do anything to me, so this isn't me ragequitting guru per se)

    Anyway, the main point of the topic - any good GW2 forums out there? I visit Necrobator now and again and I sometimes lurk here on mmorpg, but other than that, I don't know of many decent GW2 communities. Kind of wish Anet would just make an official forum so we can atleast get some decent moderation, haha.

     

    Why don't you like this one?

  • fonyfony Member Posts: 755

    even the largely inactive GW2 board on Gamefaqs is better than Guru. 

  • FlawSGIFlawSGI Member UncommonPosts: 1,379

     I have to agree that the guru has lost my interest lately as well. I didn't know about it untill a few months ago so maybe before that it was a decent site but seeing as I have enjoyed the GW2 community here, I stopped visiting. It may get the news sooner, but the news seems to get carried over here and discussed with less bias and moderation. I think if you take the time to read the forums on GW2 here, you will start to see who some of the cool people are to chit chat with. There are quite a few bad apples, but just keep track and either block or report for craptastic behavior and move on. The community here is pretty knowledgeable and friendly so you should get enough information and back and forth conversation on this site.

    RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  • IzkimarIzkimar Member UncommonPosts: 568

    New site that is good.  GuildWars2PvP.com 

    This sight is made by someone from the ex-Guild Wars competitive community for the competitive community.  So, hit it up. 

  • MalevilMalevil Member Posts: 468

    Originally posted by Requiamer

    I don't understand why Anet don't open some offi forum, i mean its fully part of any mmos since UO, for me its a must have for any mmo, its part of the massively. And even if most of my Nc games i played had better unoffi forum than offi, i don't think there is any excuse for them not have one. At least as a centralisation feature. For guru i don't know, had a lot of prob to register there, so i have no habit to check it. Use this one, at least the moderation here isn't as bad as you described. The only problem here is the other games forumers that kind of poison the atmosphere, but its still good, and might end once Swtor and GW2 goes live, at least you can hope.

    I understand them perfectly. Official forums are always trash full of QQ about class balance and ppl always cry that devs are not responding to this QQ. On unofficial forums none can realy expect them to respond.

    About guildwars2guru.com forums, i dont like them either - they are IMO too fast and happy to close threads (same as gw1 guildwarsguru.com ). Imo forums here good place to discuss gw2.

  • end_break_fend_break_f Member Posts: 30

    http://guildwars.incgamers.com/

    This one's dead compared to guru, but you don't get censored. Could always stick to mmorpg or gamefaqs and the population will kick up once GW2 actually comes out. Unfortunately most Guild Wars fan sites are dead except GW2guru for some reason. I'm assuming it part has to do with Guru being on the top of Anet's fansite list since GW1 came out. Hopefully Anet makes with the official forums or makes a new fansite list.

    I personally left guru because it was pointless for me to post and have my post deleted because a mod disagreed with it. I don't visit them at all anymore. I'll rather take the wait for the news to hit other sites than to give them the ad revenue.

  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686

    I would say its time for an GW2flames forum....

     

    Where everyone is free to say whatever they want, and flaming is allowed.... Almost no moderation... but then most people can't stand so much freedom, and either they run off crying or they abuse it....

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

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    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    I would say its time for an GW2flames forum....

     

    Where everyone is free to say whatever they want, and flaming is allowed.... Almost no moderation... but then most people can't stand so much freedom, and either they run off crying or they abuse it....

    I actually thought of that during the latest flood of convention news.  I read Guru forums but don't post there at all.  I really got disgusted with whole 8th profession/Mesmer threads - you can't have a discussion over there at all about it unless you agree that absolutely Mesmer will be the 8th profession (and to top that for some reason they will wear the clothes they wore in GW1).

    I would love to have actual GW2 forums run by Arena Net but I doubt they will do that.  They run a very lean operation.

    There again a lot of MMOs get consumed by their forums.  Personally if they could do it without taking away from creating new content then great - otherwise I expect that several fan solutions will eventually appear.

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