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Just tried Windows 8
CalmOceans
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whoever made a perfectly fine OS into this piece of unusable tablet monstrosity needs to get fired
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As expected, Microsoft is using its Build developer conference to distribute a pre-beta, developer preview version of Windows 8 (for x86 PCs only; the hardware to run the ARM version on isn't finished yet). Windows 8 is Microsoft's combined desktop, laptop and tablet operating system, designed to go from 10-inch touch-only tablets to big screens in your living room, from ultra-portable notebooks to massive gaming systems and business desktops. Windows 8 also features gestures to put two apps on screen side by side, and the traditional Windows desktop for when you need richer apps like the ones we've been using in Windows for years.
I just watched the Windows 8 presentation video on Microsoft.com and while I am not a Microsoft fan, I have to admit, Windows 8 looks pretty cool. I am primarily a Mac and Linux user; however, from time to time I do open up my Dell XPS M1530 that runs Windows 7. I don’t really like the OS. I only use it when I want to watch Netflix on the bigger screen. My MacBook Pro is the 13 inch.
Although it has a big WOW factor, I am worried that it will be to Microsoft centered. All the apps will tie into what exactly? Will Microsoft have an app store now too? If it is a truly open system that will allow developers to create apps that work without having to tie into Microsoft Live or the like then it might be something worth while…
Looks cool. Cannot wait for it to go live - once they work out all the bugs.
It's a severely limited build geared toward Metro Apps and tablet development. It's a very early alpha build as well. You're judging a whole building based on the cellar hole and one wall they've put up so far. This build was specifically geared toward getting developers to start making Metro apps for smaller touch enabled devices. You're judging an entire OS on the 30%-40% they've released. The traditional Desktop and Start Menu is still there. You get the Desktop in this build. You can also re-enable the traditional Start Menu by changing a registry entry but at this point it disables the Metro interface (the whole point of this release). We are still probably quite a ways from the final product. This was just a sample... a sample that does show extreme promise.
And yes I do have a machine that has the developer build on it and I've been using it all day today... Of course I wasn't stupid enough to put a early alpha developers build OS on my main computer. I have a Dell Duo that is basically an expensive toy at this point. I put a second 60GB partition on it and installed the Developer's Build on the second partition. It runs about 500% smoother with the Windows 8 build with all of it's early release shortcommings than it ever did with Windows 7.
Although I am greatful that I'm allowed such early access to the next generation of Windows I think it was a huge PR blunder on Microsoft's part to release such an early dev targeted build to the general public. Many people like the OP are going to judge this to be an end product which it isn't even close to that stage yet. This could hurt them more than it could possibly help.
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I remain unconvinced. Desktop Apps still won't be written for touch. How well will they run? Not very well IMO, even with fuzzy logic. All iOS and Android apps are written from scratch with touch in mind. Besides Windows 8 tablets are a good year away. There's plenty of time to buy iPad 2/iPad 3 or Android and then Windows 8. We don't even know how far along iPad or Android will be when Windows 8 ships.
Which means, with Microsoft's track record with Windows, will be Windows 9.
98 = enhanced version of 95.
XP = enhanced version of ME.
7 = enhanced version of Vista.
They come in two's. The first one is essentially beta of the second one.
Hey good point lol, even with their console venture
Xbox 360 = Enhanced version of Xbox
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Why won't desktop apps be written for touch?
Its an explicit decision with Windows 8 if you're building for the touch-driven Metro UI or not. If you're using the new WinRT library; you are, and if you stay in the constraints of the WinRT library you're able to sell your application through the new Windows App Store.
All the big software vendors like Adobe are already taking touch fairly seriously on other platforms. There's an iPad version of Photoshop for example. Stands to reason Adobe and other big vendors will be creating Metro apps. It also stands to reason they aren't going to abandon their classic applications so more than likely we'll have for example a Photoshop CS6 and Photoshop Metro in a years time.
I think Windows 8 has an opportunity to turn touch-based applications into something -serious- when it comes to productivity and gaming applications though. Different from the highly limited experiences we get with iPad apps like the Photoshop Express example. Its Windows afterall and not an upscaled mobile OS like the iPad is. The most telling thing I've seen at the BUILD conference is someone using a Windows 8 tablet running iTunes to sync their iPad. Windows 8 has a big opportunity to redefine what we think about tablets and PCs alike.
Nah, you're going to get the dissenting types regardless. I doubt he even actually tried it.
I think the best thing about doing a public pre-release is there's quite a bit of touchscreen hardware out there built for Windows 7 but never really caught on. I wasn't too excited about Windows 8, but having installed the prerelease on a refurb HP TouchSmart I bought off woot.com a long time ago, I'm very, very impressed.
More public prereleases, betas and RCs over the next year or so is a good opportunity to exercise a lot of the touch laptops, monitors, tablets and etc. already out there.
The issue isn't if this can be used as normal desktop OS with a mouse, the issue is that win 8 was heavily made toward touchscreen useability. This is what you are essentially paying for, so if you upgrade to 8 over 7 you get almost the same as win 7 with new features and a OS that was geared for touchscreen use. So you would be paying for stuff you really can't use if you don't have a touchscreen.
Win 8 isn't going to shatter win 7 in most benchmarks with games or productivity, win 7 still can handle everything you throw at it for a productivity standpoint so you wont be gaining anything by moving to win 8.
How many people are buying 13 inch touch screens at $600 or more for home PC? Even if it has normal windows useability for PC with a mouse, it still is essentially a tablet OS heavily developed for touchscreen use. I will stick to Win 7, sorry MS you dropped the ball on this one.
Also what the hell were they thinking to drop millions into a new IE web browser for this Win 8 release? Nobody cares about it, or will use it. It still will get hacked like every other version and be fully obsolete in reliability. They are so dumb to include a new IE, they lose money doing so. The only people who use IE are people from small parts of this world where cavemen still live.
It's a large step forward in resource management as well. It will show a marked improvement in performance for all applications over Windows 7... at least as much as Win 7 had over Vista or XP. I think you'll find that even for non touch enabled devices there will be plenty of reason to upgrade.
As I said in my previous post the performance increase in all types of apps on my Dell Duo is quite noticeable. It is kinda sluggish with Windows 7 Home Premium installed even after I removed all of the Dell bloatware. With Windows 8 it's as responsive in most normal applications as my gaming Laptop. The difference is quite staggering. Also even though I'm no huge fan of IE (I use Firefox mainly) version 9 showed great improvement over previous releases. It's the first IE release I even considered using occasionally. Version 10 so far seems to be quite responsive with super fast page loading times. I think maybe you need to try Windows 8 and IE 10 before you start making sweeping judgements about it my friend.
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Apps built for Metro (the touch UI) can support keyboard and mouse. So if a Metro app is aimed at desktop more than likely it'll work for keyboard and mouse.
Its likely we'll see some apps that support desktop only, some that support tablet only, some that support both. Some intensive word processing application might dictate keyboard and mouse strictly. Some application requiring an accelerometer and gyro might dictate tablet only. A Window's 8 Xbox Live app might be cool with either touch or keyboard and mouse. Ultimately i'll be up to individual software markers what scenario they'll target.
Even without a touchscreen monitor I see much, much more value in upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 8 compared to upgrading from Windows Vista to Windows 7. The app store alone will help finally put an end to the fragmented ways we buy, download, install and update software nowadays. Tack on the fact Xbox Live is coming to Windows 8 and we have something of a full fledged Steam out of the box. Not to mention everything else that comes with Xbox Live like the Zune Marketplace, the Netflix and Hulu applications (even though its always been easy to just open a browser anyway, still nice).
The benefits of Metro with and without touch aside, there are performance and security increases as well such as tne lower memory footprint, and even UI improvements to the classic UI as well with the ribbon being added to Explorer. The new task manager and so on.
Dunno what you mean by IE "get hacked like every other version". There's plenty of articles circulating on the internet measuring IE8 and IE9's ability to catch threats and number of vulnerabilities vs. other browsers. IE always performs well if not dominate charts. IE10 is a huge step forward since it will support a lot more HTML5 like App Cache and Web Sockets finally. Yes people will still download Firefox and Chrome too but who cares? If Microsoft stops releasing browsers, ideally yearly, we'll end up with another IE6. More power to them and I'll certainly use IE10 myself if it gives me better performance than Chrome.
The day I will be able to run all of my games on Linux will be the day I stop using anything made by Microsoft.
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Looks silly and too confined. There aren't enough options to make it worth it.
I just notice the speed of pc start, btw, I have not used OS of W7. crying~~
ProsAddress bar offers Autocomplete. Tabs have color-coded groupings, crash isolation. InPrivate browsing. Flexible search. Easy access to Web content. IE7-compatible view. Better security, performance. Crash recovery. Fast startup.
ConsJavaScript not as snappy as with some other browsers. Uses more memory than Firefox. No download manager. Windows-only.
Bottom LineThe latest version of the world's leading browser delivers category-leading security and adds some pretty slick browsing aids, such as WebSlices and Accelerators. It defaults to a more standards-compliant mode, but still offers a backward compatibility button. A predictive address bar brings it closer to Firefox, but the lack of a download manager and robust extension ecosystem hold the browser back.