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class descriptions?
Shari
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I can't find out where the class descriptions are on the main site can anyone direct me please?
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Crazy coincidence; I was thinking, yesterday, to ask this same question! Someone please answer the question.
IMO, it was unwise for VG to use non-industry-standard class names. Standard class names, created by D&D, have been in use for 40 years. People recognize them and like them.
Take a hamburger as an example; everyone knows what it is. What if some restaurant decided they were going to call it "blood-patty," instead; and perhaps call the french fries "yellow strings." At the end of the day, this restaurant would simply have less customers.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
so you cant look in other places for info?
1) www.google.com, enter in vanguard classes
2) first webpage on list http://www.vanguardmmorpg.com/vanguard_classes.php
tentonhammer.com has some great guides, I'm not sure how to find them on their site so I usually just google something like "Blood Mage guide vanguard saga" and it'll says something like "Sub-Portal: BLOOD MAGE | Ten Ton Hammer".
WTF ???
Vanguard isnt based on D&D.
Paladin, Ranger, Rogue, Monk, Bard, Cleric, Sorcerer, Druid, Necromancer are vaguely like the D&D class and got the same name and sometimes even same names for abilities (for example, the Vanguard Paladin has a healing skill called Lay on Hands).
Warrior are somewhat like Fighter, Shaman are somewhat like Druid, both got names that are close.
Dread Knight, Blood Mage, Disciple and Psionicist do not have any D&D equivalents.
All Vanguard class names are perfectly intuitive to anyone who knows classic fantasy MMOs like EverQuest, WoW etc. In fact, Vanguard has much nicer naming like for example WoW, which insulted Rangers as being "Hunter".
I got an anti-virus warning from your link. Are you always this cranky and helpfull at the same time?
Agreed Shari. Can someone provide a sentence or two on what each class does? Rather than providing a link... It's not like you don't have time... I mean you ARE here, aren't you ?
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
you're probably one of those people who just can't do anything for himself. took me several seconds to google vanguard soh classes.
Protective Fighter (tank, wears heavy armor)
Warrior (dual weapon user with high damage and group buffs)
Paladin (sword and shield user with healing, virtue point system)
Dread Knight (twohander user with some necromatic magic, including stealing life, snare, fear)
Offensive Fighter (melee damage dealer, wears medium armor)
Ranger (dual weapon and ranged specialist, stealth, some druidic magic)
Rogue (dagger, stealth and poison specialist, top melee dps)
Monk (fake death and martial arts specialist, jin point system, 3 specializations at level 15)
Drunken Monk: tank version with aggro abilities and increased defense.
Harmonious Monk: debuffer specialist and generalist.
Dragon Monk: damage dealing specialist.
Bard (utility specialist with strong group buffs aka songs that can be freely designed from a set of basic components)
Defensive Spellcaster (healer, can summon others inside certain dungeons)
Cleric (spike heals and healing over time, good general buffs, heavy armor, 5 affinities at level 20)
Preservation: Defense and protection; stun immunity and increased shield block.
Peace: Deaggro and crowd control; invisibility and instant cast, no recast timer root.
War: Increased melee damage.
Death: Increased magic damage and various necromatic magic, including snare and fear.
Purity: Increased melee damage vs undead, protection from poison.
Shaman (wards and damage over time spells, medium armor, extensive buffs and debuffs, 3 totems at level 15)
Tuurgin (Bear): Tank version with pet aggro abilities and endurance buff.
Rakurr (Wolf): Extreme runspeed, stealth, increased melee damage, critical hit buff.
Hayatet (Phoenix): Fire spells, intelligence and energy regen buff.
Disciple (monk healer with manaless jin healing, medium armor, feign death)
Blood Mage (health stealing and damage redirection, light armor, blood point system, special buffs called symbiotes)
Offensive Spellcaster (magic damage dealer, wears light armor, has escape teleport)
Sorcerer (top damage dealer, direct damage, enemy spell disruption and redirection, invisibility and sleep)
Druid (high damage dealer with elemental summons, runspeed kiting and situational healing, phenomena point system)
Psionicist (crowd control specialist with illusions, best mage buffer)
Necromancer (summoner with damage over time spells, fear kiting, life stealing, fake death)
Here it goes, in keywords:
Healers
Disciple - healing partially by using combination of melee attacks, martial melee moderate DPS, high survivability, feign death, great wipe recovery, best solo class in game.
Shaman - three versions at level 15 (Bear - tanking shaman - strong soloer, low melee DPS, high surv / Wolf - less mitigation, moderate melee DPS / Phoenix - caster shaman, even lower mitigation, some kiting, moderate caster DPS, strong solo). Strong solo class.
Cleric - Healer, melee low DPS, high mitigation, useful buffs. Strong solo class.
Blood Mage - Healer, moderate caster DPS, quite tough to play. Moderate solo class.
Spell DPS:
Druid - Highest survivability, however almost no survivability if your kites are resisted. Best kiter, lots of DOTS damage, moderate burst damage, useful buffs. Strong solo class.
Sorcerer - Very high burst DPS, kiting possible but harder than druid, quite low survivability. Poor solo class.
Necromancer - Moderate DPS, DOTS dots, debuffs, feign death, pets that can taunt and hold agro, best survivability among casters. Strong solo class.
Psionicist - moderate DPS, can charm other mobs and generally keep up to 4 mobs messmerized or otherwise out of combat, requires good concentration and skill. Can kite. Moderate solo class.
Melee DPS:
Rogue - High DPS (possibly the best), very low soloability, hard to play, shines in groups. Poor solo class.
Bard - Jack of all trades, high melee DPS, can charm other mobs (for a very limited time), crowd control, lots of flexibility with songs, which you have to compose (each song has up to 18 different components, each component gives different bonuses and combines with different musical instrument. Effects of songs include group buffs such as levitation, water breathing, mana/health regeneration, resistances, speed buff up to 350% to all group members and many other). Requires experienced player. Poor solo class.
Monk - Feel like nerfed disciple, it's melee DPS with moderate soloability and feign death. Still its a lot of fun to play. Moderate solo class.
Ranger - melee/ranged dps with useful buffs, kiting possible, strong dots. Moderate solo class.
Tanks:
Warrior - generally perceived as highest mitigation among tanks, Worst solo class in game.
Paladin - generally perceived as a tank with best aggro control with low DPS and some limited healing. Moderate solo class.
Dreadknight - generally perceived as best DPS among tanks and as a Strong solo class.
This overview is my personal opinion, if you have a different experience, I'd be happy to read your opinion as well.
REALITY CHECK
Thnx for the info all. I'm not sure why someone got upset at me though lol, I always use these forums for questions regarding mmorpg's as I enjoy using these forums. Seems thats an issue with some people. It seems to me, if you have an issue with what I'm asking then just ignore the thread. Anyway, thanks again for the info.
scroll to bottom of this page :
http://vanguard.gamepressure.com/vanguard_classes.asp
On this page, you will not only be able to get class descriptions, but It will even give suggestions on how to use each ability :
http://vanguard.gamepressure.com/vanguard_classes.asp
Everskelly, you are casting a shadow on the "wonderful helpful communitiy of vanguard" that I've heard so much about. But, Thank you, et al., for the information. Of course the OP and I could have searched for ourselves; but we wanted YOUR opinion of the classes; that is, the opinion of people who take an interest in the game currently and who are present on these forums.
No hard feelings. thanks all!
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
Warrior - generally perceived as highest mitigation among tanks, Worst solo class in game.
This is why SOE games suck, they are complete and utter retards
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
GREAT description overall! Interesting because when I started Vanguard (at Launch) I thought My Main would be a Sorcerer or Paladin, but as time went on I came to LOVE My Disciple...Paladin was OK though...Sorcerer was REAL tough Solo...I liked Ranger a bit too...
Hmm I don't really agree with a lot of those rankings. Bard for example is a very strong solo class IMO, easily as good as ranger and much better than monk, definately one of the strongest solo classes in the game. Necro from what I've seen is at least on par with disciple - unbelievable dots and kiting with a necro.
Venge
Bard has high downtime between mobs, even two 2dotters can kill you, must kite 3 dotters and higher, which takes ages, since bard doesn't really have any powerful dots. Bard was designed for groups in my opinion.
REALITY CHECK
Does not compute.
This reads as if every group of tank, healer etc would have one class that is a good solist, one that is bad etc. This is completely wrong.
- Shaman: Bear Shaman is a great solist, thanks to good mitigation. Wolf and Phoenix have much less defense, though, so they have to resort to kiting pretty quickly. I would vote for Phoenix Shaman as worst solist of all healers - they are much like Blood Mage, except they dont have lifetaps to heal themself & do massive dps at the same time. In fact Phoenix Shaman gets pretty laughable dps, hardly more than Wolf.
- Cleric: Is only a good solist if you are a really patient person, and your opponent is not a healer (Cleric gets a healing debuff - but even that is sometimes not enough for really strong healing mobs). Very low dps. Even if you're Death or, definitely better in respect to dps, War, dont expect any wonders in that department. Now they buffed their mana regen, they are pretty much unkillable, though.
- Druid & Sorcerer: Both have to kite. Both get levi. Both have no defense and little hitpoints, but very high dps. Both can slow their opponents. So WHY is Druid considered the better solist ? LOL
- Bard: Err ... definitely a much better solist class than Monk. Can kite with extreme runspeed (and debuff the opponent). Low ranged damage, though.
- Monk: Second worst solist class after Warrior. Can heal themselves much better, though (on a loooong timer), may get a crafted weapon with lifetap on higher levels, and can fake death if nothing else helps.
- Ranger: err, "Kiting possible" ? Thats true for the Rogue with their runspeed selfbuff etc. Ranger is an amazing kiter - snare, runspeed, massive instant ranged damage, so really all they really lack is levitation.
- Warrior: I am not aware they have "the best mitigation". They have the best aggro though. Yes they are underwhelming when solo. Needs a dualbox (or a dedicated guild) to level them comfortably.
- Paladin: AFAICS the best mitigation, and great aggro (not as good as War). This class is quite OP right now. Great spike dps through virtue points possible. Lowest dps of all tanks.
- Dread Knight: Err ... are you kidding ?!? LOL ! DK gets really good dps, no question - but Warrior gets better. DK is however the best debuffer in the whole game, at least from a raid perspective. Also great solist, best solist when it comes to groups of opponents (thanks to area lifetap).
Err...
Actually Rangers arent that great soloers to begin with. Like many other classes, they need room to kite or they stand no chance with tougher mobs.
My own Bard never went any far. But I have talked with people who tried multiple classes and they all complained that their Bards are very inferior when solo.
Bards are the same as rangers, but they completely lack the amazing dps of ranger when ranged. Like Rogue and Paladin, they can only use the most simplest of bows and crossbows, and AFAICS they dont get any special ranged abilities, like the Ranger gets them in masses.
And Disciple is the king of soloing because they can TANK ANYTHING *without* kiting.
Necromancer is fine as long as they can pettank. If that doesnt work, they can fearkite. If that doesnt work, they can fake death. So yeah, Necromancer is one of the best solists, probably the best of the dps classes in this respect - but they arent superior to Disciple.
Really you mean Sigil?
Or are you one of these people who does not understand that SOE did not make Vanguard lol.
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Jesus/Jesus.htm
Bards are okay if they can kite,that's the buttom line.
Rangers are okay if they can kite but in built up places or dungeons then they are dead.
Necros are great soloist but the same applies to them as to all other kiters.
Disciple is king.
Tuurgin Shammy is king.
Dread Knight is good as well but nothing compared to the above two.
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Jesus/Jesus.htm
That info on Wikipedia about Vanguard classes is very general, but in all shortness very accurate.
Brad made both games, EQ1 and Vantard, he is completely retarded when balancing classes. He has this retarded conception that class balance soloing doesn't matter. Both games are flops, EQ1 at its peak with little competition lost players at an alarming rate when new games were released due to lack of class balance SOLOING. We warrior players refused to be duped into playing a game with WIMPIORS and gave Vantard a pass.
Little kids have plenty of time to set up groups for hours on end (no responsibilty), adults don't-soloing is vital
Brad hires and fires-he hires the same clueless dolts to set up classes while Blizzard hired EQ player greats including the #1 warrior player on ALL EQ1 servers.
I and a huge number of fans of the warrior class aren't playing brad's WIMPIOR, it is old and time for him to stop screwing the class.
EQ1 website Steelwarrior was probably the biggest class site on the entire web. When they sided with Brad and Sony and made raiding a priority and allowed the screwing of warriors to continue they lost hundreds of thousands of posters and players.
I really don't care what the idiots on this site think, they all want games that will flop. Soloing for every class is a #1 priority or you will have a pitiful player base. You guys don't care till your game world is empty and it shuts down, then the fact gets rammed home to the dummies posting for EQ1 style games. EQ1 is long dead thank goodness, the game sucked and the crowds have spoken, Vantard sucks too!
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Throwing around insults and writing perfect bull.
I sense a pattern.
He's a vengeful soloist who plays group games, and whines about it.