. We're pushing out a major new build, we're getting in our external testers to look at it soon, Why are they releasing a new major content / build now? And getting external testers to take a look, something is wrong? Hopefully its not relates to the core mechanics, if not it'll be longer than spring
This type of thing is pretty normal in game development.
I, for one, am not surprised by this. With them releasing info about a major build coming out and no official notification of the next round of Beta testing, I just don't think there is time for them to release it before December. I can't see the benifit of releasing it in December since that month is a cluster-frakk month to do anything major not to mention all but forcing your dev team to either be in the office or on call during the largest holiday season of the year. If you can release by EoOctober or BoNovember then push it to Q1.
I just feel that by beta, everything shld already be in, and beta is busy ironing out all the bugs, server load, memory leak etc .... releasing a major new content so close to the suppose release date I dont think its awise choice
I'd rather them push it back and have a great launch myself.
Agreed after having played a few horrible releases I firmly stand behind any devs decision to make sure the game is worth it before releasing, as far as whether it is right for them to offer pre orders with no release date those who have a problem with the practice have the simple recourse of not pre ordering before they have that date but I think it's obvious everyone knew there was no release date and many aren't bothered by this (myself included). It's not like they can't simply announce a release date and still miss it.
Honestly I prefer a bad launch and suffering to play during 3 weeks than waiting for 6 months.
Originally posted by Vonatar 2012 means I might actually get to play Skyrim through at least once, so doesn't bother me in the least.
Skyrim, yeah. I have lost count of the hours I have spent in Bethesda's games and by the looks of things Skyrim looks incredible. The whole "dragons have a starting point and a response AI but from there we don't know where they'll go in each individual game" sounds so intriguing that I for one can't help but wish for a MMORPG developer to notice and think about how awesome such a feature would be in a persistent multiplayer environment.
Aehm...well... all right, at least that would give me enough time to dive really deep into the TOR lore, which I have shamefully missed out until now. ;D
Lets be clear here there is no delay at this time. Investor calls are for investors. Ea has to take into account all possibilities including a possible delay.
Hence when in an earnings call they state that they game could be delayed till 2012 they are just telling investors that they have it planned so if game is delayed it wont hurt them financially.
This has nothing to do with projected release date or actual release date. The target is still holiday 2011. From what i read in an intervi9ew yesterday it seems the game is moving along nicely and they fully expect to hit that target date.
They also stated a release date could come by there next earnings report. End of octorober so u could get a rlelease date anytime .
This entire thread is about nothing and i dont understand the outrage some people have.
I have to honestly say if they're taking pre orders they shouldn't sound so wishy washy about having a release date. I'm seriously rethinking my pre order since it sounds like they've got my money and they're not sure when they can give me a product and that sounds a little shady. I love star wars and I love bioware's games but I'm getting a little tired of hearing "maybe next time... maybe next time". My excitement for this game is ebbing and I may consider spending my money elsewhere.
Just to point out, they haven't got anyones money just yet.
"There is absolutely no change to our previous messaging with this statement. We are in active and extensive testing for The Old Republic. We're aiming to release the game in the holiday 2011 window (or, before the end of the year, to speak in non-American for a minute)," Reid added. "However, as with any large and complex game project, there's always the possibility of slippage. Always. That is why we have always said we're aiming for that window, because it's possible that unforeseen issues may push the date. Eric Brown is doing what he's paid to do - letting investors know that the possibility exists. A possibility doesn't mean a certainty."
So frankly they are saying "we want to release this year but have absoloutely no idea that we can". Seems about as reliable as Wimpy's "I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today." The reality here is they are not sure when the game will be finished. Which is fine. I'd rather they release the game when they feel is ready rather than forcing out a broken product because they felt the need to stick to an unrealsitic release date.
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It needed to be delayed in the worst way. Unfortunately for them delaying it near a possible GW2 date is not good for them whatsoever. GW2 is leap years more appealing and better the TOR is. EA is going to fail hard on this one.
It needed to be delayed in the worst way. Unfortunately for them delaying it near a possible GW2 date is not good for them whatsoever. GW2 is leap years more appealing and better the TOR is. EA is going to fail hard on this one.
Not really, to some maybe, but I have no interest in GW2. And if failing hard do you mean a half a million preorders already, not including the digital ones from origin, as failing, I wished I failed that hard.
It needed to be delayed in the worst way. Unfortunately for them delaying it near a possible GW2 date is not good for them whatsoever. GW2 is leap years more appealing and better the TOR is. EA is going to fail hard on this one.
Not really, to some maybe, but I have no interest in GW2. And if failing hard do you mean a half a million preorders already, not including the digital ones from origin, as failing, I wished I failed that hard.
Pre-order do not mean anything , its how long you can keep your subs. This will be a 4-6 months job before players become bored.
It needed to be delayed in the worst way. Unfortunately for them delaying it near a possible GW2 date is not good for them whatsoever. GW2 is leap years more appealing and better the TOR is. EA is going to fail hard on this one.
i agree but both will be good games........ they only two new games appealing atm besides the other mmos already released why not enjoy both games. Then again rather have them head but each other .. star wars has been out longer then guild wars plus is sci fiction guild wars is medevil ..... Two different storys both good. Then again they copyed each other about adding story in the begining for your self. Plus if mass effect was a mmo it would beat guild wars 2. Its a fact sory to say mass effect is one of the best bio ware games out. So i have faith bio ware can release good mmo.:P Btw i dont intend on playing guild wars because i am sick of the dragons slaying been doing that for along time :P
It needed to be delayed in the worst way. Unfortunately for them delaying it near a possible GW2 date is not good for them whatsoever. GW2 is leap years more appealing and better the TOR is. EA is going to fail hard on this one.
Not really, to some maybe, but I have no interest in GW2. And if failing hard do you mean a half a million preorders already, not including the digital ones from origin, as failing, I wished I failed that hard.
Pre-order do not mean anything , its how long you can keep your subs. This will be a 4-6 months job before players become bored.
And then they add more content like every other developer. Yes preorder does mean something, it shows the demand for the game, before a release date is even announced amd it was one of EA's highest selling preorders ever.
It needed to be delayed in the worst way. Unfortunately for them delaying it near a possible GW2 date is not good for them whatsoever. GW2 is leap years more appealing and better the TOR is. EA is going to fail hard on this one.
Not really, to some maybe, but I have no interest in GW2. And if failing hard do you mean a half a million preorders already, not including the digital ones from origin, as failing, I wished I failed that hard.
Pre-order do not mean anything , its how long you can keep your subs. This will be a 4-6 months job before players become bored.
Success oddly enough does not mean keeping subs at all. If you want to talk from player perspective.. sure.
Success for a business = making a profit.
Personally I see this game setting a new "pre-order" record. This has nothing to do with how good or bad it is.. just what I see happening. I would expect by the end of the first year to already see a massive falloff in subscribers and likely some server mergers (pvp servers if nothing else).
Thing is.. production costs will have been exceeded by pre-sale revenue (my opinion). Thus the game for as long as it runs will make a profit... which means from EA's perspective .. success.
The only MMO that fails is one that doesn't make a profit for the company that created it.
Sure people who get bored quickly will come to this forum and post about how big a fail it was... Its just two entirely different points of view.
It needed to be delayed in the worst way. Unfortunately for them delaying it near a possible GW2 date is not good for them whatsoever. GW2 is leap years more appealing and better the TOR is. EA is going to fail hard on this one.
GW2 hasn't announced a release date have they? I highly doubt that those two want to compete with each other within a 3 month launch window.
To me, both games are appealing in their own ways. I guess I am in the minority as I tend to view them as entirely different animals. SciFi/SW fans will give it a try and Sword/Horses Fantasy fans will migrate to GW2. Fans of both will likely play both as only one subscription is involved. This is especially awesome for players who only like to play one game at a time as it's most likely they will buy both eventually anyway nothing to lose by doing so.
With no disrespect to EA... All their games fail because they can't charge people what they want to in order to play them.
EA has historically dumped or scrapped, or shied away from games purely due to feeling they weren't going to meet their preceived profit margin from the game.
Will they see a profit? No question.
Will they be satisfied with it? Highly doubtful.
Lastly, Blizz-Con hasn't happened yet... Blizzard announces their games at their convention. Everyone knows they are working on a new MMO and have been for years... The landscape for upcoming MMO's might just change again after Blizz-Con.
And while I do have a lot of faith in Bioware (sans a handful of things), if two companies are well know to make gold into shit and bork everything possible, it is EA and LucasArts. It is their involvement which unsettles me the most.
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Paid $5 .. It'll be ready when it's ready
Why are they releasing a new major content / build now?
And getting external testers to take a look, something is wrong?
Hopefully its not relates to the core mechanics, if not it'll be longer than spring
RIP Orc Choppa
This type of thing is pretty normal in game development.
I, for one, am not surprised by this. With them releasing info about a major build coming out and no official notification of the next round of Beta testing, I just don't think there is time for them to release it before December. I can't see the benifit of releasing it in December since that month is a cluster-frakk month to do anything major not to mention all but forcing your dev team to either be in the office or on call during the largest holiday season of the year. If you can release by EoOctober or BoNovember then push it to Q1.
RIP Orc Choppa
Honestly I prefer a bad launch and suffering to play during 3 weeks than waiting for 6 months.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
2012 means I might actually get to play Skyrim through at least once, so doesn't bother me in the least.
All seems to be pointing at scalability problems during that first beta test weekend.
I really hope for them that they haven't ended up licencing the "wrong" game engine! And now starting to burn their fingers on it with that choice.
"Nooooooooooooo!" ^^
Aehm...well... all right, at least that would give me enough time to dive really deep into the TOR lore, which I have shamefully missed out until now. ;D
Lets be clear here there is no delay at this time. Investor calls are for investors. Ea has to take into account all possibilities including a possible delay.
Hence when in an earnings call they state that they game could be delayed till 2012 they are just telling investors that they have it planned so if game is delayed it wont hurt them financially.
This has nothing to do with projected release date or actual release date. The target is still holiday 2011. From what i read in an intervi9ew yesterday it seems the game is moving along nicely and they fully expect to hit that target date.
They also stated a release date could come by there next earnings report. End of octorober so u could get a rlelease date anytime .
This entire thread is about nothing and i dont understand the outrage some people have.
i came here for reliable info, all i saw is trolls
Just to point out, they haven't got anyones money just yet.
Battlefield 3, Mass Effect 2 and the next Elders Scrolls gmaes coming out during Oct, Nov and Dec so I'm not fussed if it comes out next year.
So frankly they are saying "we want to release this year but have absoloutely no idea that we can". Seems about as reliable as Wimpy's "I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today." The reality here is they are not sure when the game will be finished. Which is fine. I'd rather they release the game when they feel is ready rather than forcing out a broken product because they felt the need to stick to an unrealsitic release date.
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Will be a hot spring in 2012...
SWTOR,GW2,SW, Diablo3 , need to save my holiday time :-)
It needed to be delayed in the worst way. Unfortunately for them delaying it near a possible GW2 date is not good for them whatsoever. GW2 is leap years more appealing and better the TOR is. EA is going to fail hard on this one.
Not really, to some maybe, but I have no interest in GW2. And if failing hard do you mean a half a million preorders already, not including the digital ones from origin, as failing, I wished I failed that hard.
In Bioware we trust!
I can't wait till the NDA is lifted. Some interesting things are liable to pop up in forum at that time.
TICK - TOCK...
The NDA does not matter, if your smart enough you can already find numerous leaks out there.
In Bioware we trust!
Pre-order do not mean anything , its how long you can keep your subs. This will be a 4-6 months job before players become bored.
i agree but both will be good games........ they only two new games appealing atm besides the other mmos already released why not enjoy both games. Then again rather have them head but each other .. star wars has been out longer then guild wars plus is sci fiction guild wars is medevil ..... Two different storys both good. Then again they copyed each other about adding story in the begining for your self. Plus if mass effect was a mmo it would beat guild wars 2. Its a fact sory to say mass effect is one of the best bio ware games out. So i have faith bio ware can release good mmo.:P Btw i dont intend on playing guild wars because i am sick of the dragons slaying been doing that for along time :P
And then they add more content like every other developer. Yes preorder does mean something, it shows the demand for the game, before a release date is even announced amd it was one of EA's highest selling preorders ever.
In Bioware we trust!
Success oddly enough does not mean keeping subs at all. If you want to talk from player perspective.. sure.
Success for a business = making a profit.
Personally I see this game setting a new "pre-order" record. This has nothing to do with how good or bad it is.. just what I see happening. I would expect by the end of the first year to already see a massive falloff in subscribers and likely some server mergers (pvp servers if nothing else).
Thing is.. production costs will have been exceeded by pre-sale revenue (my opinion). Thus the game for as long as it runs will make a profit... which means from EA's perspective .. success.
The only MMO that fails is one that doesn't make a profit for the company that created it.
Sure people who get bored quickly will come to this forum and post about how big a fail it was... Its just two entirely different points of view.
GW2 hasn't announced a release date have they? I highly doubt that those two want to compete with each other within a 3 month launch window.
To me, both games are appealing in their own ways. I guess I am in the minority as I tend to view them as entirely different animals. SciFi/SW fans will give it a try and Sword/Horses Fantasy fans will migrate to GW2. Fans of both will likely play both as only one subscription is involved. This is especially awesome for players who only like to play one game at a time as it's most likely they will buy both eventually anyway nothing to lose by doing so.
With no disrespect to EA... All their games fail because they can't charge people what they want to in order to play them.
EA has historically dumped or scrapped, or shied away from games purely due to feeling they weren't going to meet their preceived profit margin from the game.
Will they see a profit? No question.
Will they be satisfied with it? Highly doubtful.
Lastly, Blizz-Con hasn't happened yet... Blizzard announces their games at their convention. Everyone knows they are working on a new MMO and have been for years... The landscape for upcoming MMO's might just change again after Blizz-Con.
Toldja.
And while I do have a lot of faith in Bioware (sans a handful of things), if two companies are well know to make gold into shit and bork everything possible, it is EA and LucasArts. It is their involvement which unsettles me the most.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert