Sorry but they'll never beat out console sales. Consoles started the gaming genre and it will end with consoles still on top. Consoles just have better and more games available to players.
Are you 10 or what? PCs started gaming first efore there was even any console. I still remember my Rambo console then nintendo, sega, PSX etc. But to say consoles started it is false.
Guess you don't remeber the atari 2600, intellivision , colecovision. PCs were primarily used for business back in the day. Perhaps yuou are too young enough to remember that.
Sorry Wojtekpl (what fing stupid name btw) but SaintViktor is right. If you were alive in the late 70's / early 80's then you would know this.
However there is some greyness here as things like text based games and MUDS came out on computers rather than consoles. But still arcade games were played on console type machines. It all started with a shitty tennis type game with 2 lines ...
Hey that lil ole tennis game was the pride and joy of our neighborhood when my dad brought it home. I can still remember all the dads in the neighborhood gathered at our house taking turns playing it. And here us kids thought it was for us:)
The main problem that will always hinder consoles is that they will only be "state-of-the-art" for an extremely short peroid, PCs will always dominate consoles in hardware specs. At some point more people are going to want to get the most bang for their buck. PCs offer more flexibility, and more usability than consoles, especially in regards to non-gaming applications for PCs. Also, as other's have mentioned, Indie gaming has been a huge boon to PC gaming, hell just look at MineCraft (over 3 million keys sold). Steam has been an excellent medium for Indie developers to get exposure for their games, and many of those indie games have been well worth the cost for entry.
About the only advantage consoles have over PCs, is that developers only have to worry about the system specs for the consoles they are designing for. For PC gaming, they need to test a wider variety of hardware options to ensure that their game will be playable by the widest audience available within reason. Even the gimmicks of the console, such as motion control, have been duplicated by PC gaming.
I don't doubt that there will come a time when PC gaming will be more popular than console gaming. Of course, at that point, consoles might be more like specifically built gaming rigs, than the consoles of today.
It is good news if they are right. PC gaming have been declining the last 10 years and a new boom would be nice.
Since when? Did you miss the growth in MMO's carried forward by the Pc Iin the last 10 years? The last part of the 00's saw a decline in Pc exclusives, not a drop in Pc gamers. We've gone know where, just check the Steam service numbers since its launch. The Witcher 2 sold nearly a millions copies in its first month this year and well over that now. Pc gaming live an well on the indie scene too. Pc gaming not loosing ground at al, we're just waiting for some exclusives or games like Metro 2033 to us our tech and immerse us,which is picking up again this decade. Just sit back and watch the BF3 sales come end of Oct, a game made for Pc first and console version a much scaled down different beast. Watch the number of TOR release this Dec, a Pc only game.
The main problem that will always hinder consoles is that they will only be "state-of-the-art" for an extremely short peroid, PCs will always dominate consoles in hardware specs. At some point more people are going to want to get the most bang for their buck. PCs offer more flexibility, and more usability than consoles, especially in regards to non-gaming applications for PCs. Also, as other's have mentioned, Indie gaming has been a huge boon to PC gaming, hell just look at MineCraft (over 3 million keys sold). Steam has been an excellent medium for Indie developers to get exposure for their games, and many of those indie games have been well worth the cost for entry.
About the only advantage consoles have over PCs, is that developers only have to worry about the system specs for the consoles they are designing for. For PC gaming, they need to test a wider variety of hardware options to ensure that their game will be playable by the widest audience available within reason. Even the gimmicks of the console, such as motion control, have been duplicated by PC gaming.
I don't doubt that there will come a time when PC gaming will be more popular than console gaming. Of course, at that point, consoles might be more like specifically built gaming rigs, than the consoles of today.
I think you may be a good future trend spotter.
Take a look at what happened to Macs. They lost all the hardware they used to have (68X processors?) and adopted mainstream PC tech. I think the same thing is going to happen with consoles.
Sony and Microsoft will make some new console completely based and compatible with modern PCs hopefully running windows but I doubt it very much. Commodore recently resurfaced making branded gaming PC gaming machines.
I think if a new play station or x box was on its way similar to what came before then we would have known about it by now.
The main problem that will always hinder consoles is that they will only be "state-of-the-art" for an extremely short peroid, PCs will always dominate consoles in hardware specs. At some point more people are going to want to get the most bang for their buck. PCs offer more flexibility, and more usability than consoles, especially in regards to non-gaming applications for PCs. Also, as other's have mentioned, Indie gaming has been a huge boon to PC gaming, hell just look at MineCraft (over 3 million keys sold). Steam has been an excellent medium for Indie developers to get exposure for their games, and many of those indie games have been well worth the cost for entry.
About the only advantage consoles have over PCs, is that developers only have to worry about the system specs for the consoles they are designing for. For PC gaming, they need to test a wider variety of hardware options to ensure that their game will be playable by the widest audience available within reason. Even the gimmicks of the console, such as motion control, have been duplicated by PC gaming.
I don't doubt that there will come a time when PC gaming will be more popular than console gaming. Of course, at that point, consoles might be more like specifically built gaming rigs, than the consoles of today.
I think you may be a good future trend spotter.
Take a look at what happened to Macs. They lost all the hardware they used to have (68X processors?) and adopted mainstream PC tech. I think the same thing is going to happen with consoles.
Sony and Microsoft will make some new console completely based and compatible with modern PCs hopefully running windows but I doubt it very much. Commodore recently resurfaced making branded gaming PC gaming machines.
I think if a new play station or x box was on its way similar to what came before then we would have known about it by now.
from what i understand the ps4 is going to be using the cell processer again.
i highly doubt any console companies will design a console with general computing in mind, consoles are computers they are just specialized computers with heavly specialized memory sharing and processers.
while consoles sometimes have modular parts, companies find them nothing more than a way, in their minds, to pirate games.
i have a feeling that if internet services move to higher speeds this coming gen will be the last disc gen until we get digital distribution only.
but who knows? it has been found that console gamers love physical mediums and are willing to pay more for the disc even though the disc makes it cost more.
from what i understand the ps4 is going to be using the cell processer again.
i highly doubt any console companies will design a console with general computing in mind, consoles are computers they are just specialized computers with heavly specialized memory sharing and processers.
while consoles sometimes have modular parts, companies find them nothing more than a way, in their minds, to pirate games.
i have a feeling that if internet services move to higher speeds this coming gen will be the last disc gen until we get digital distribution only.
but who knows? it has been found that console gamers love physical mediums and are willing to pay more for the disc even though the disc makes it cost more.
It seems great that everything will simply be downloaded but it actually scares me. I foresee a time when all our entertainment/news/Info will be streaming or digital download. Leaving all that to the mercy of internet providers and cable companies like Brighthouse or FIOS.
Many people I know have saved money cancelling cable packages and using netflix, hulu or someother services. They rejoice. What is not realized is they will eventually have us by the short and curlys....once we get to the point of strictly depending on a internet connection for all our gaming/entertainment/business/school research..etc...etc...etc...they'll just jack up the rates. Yay..pay $100 a month (or what ever they can get) for internet access only and more per bandwidth package. Back to square one and nothing changed. I have a feeling the cable/fios providers are only slightly displeased with declining sales on their basic to premium channel packages because if they wait long enough, then they'll have a chokehold on all our services.
Then many may go back to digital attenas and actually reading a book. Wait..maybe that's not a bad thing.lol.
from what i understand the ps4 is going to be using the cell processer again.
i highly doubt any console companies will design a console with general computing in mind, consoles are computers they are just specialized computers with heavly specialized memory sharing and processers.
while consoles sometimes have modular parts, companies find them nothing more than a way, in their minds, to pirate games.
i have a feeling that if internet services move to higher speeds this coming gen will be the last disc gen until we get digital distribution only.
but who knows? it has been found that console gamers love physical mediums and are willing to pay more for the disc even though the disc makes it cost more.
It seems great that everything will simply be downloaded but it actually scares me. I foresee a time when all our entertainment/news/Info will be streaming or digital download. Leaving all that to the mercy of internet providers and cable companies like Brighthouse or FIOS.
Many people I know have saved money cancelling cable packages and using netflix, hulu or someother services. They rejoice. What is not realized is they will eventually have us by the short and curlys....once we get to the point of strictly depending on a internet connection for all our gaming/entertainment/business/school research..etc...etc...etc...they'll just jack up the rates. Yay..pay $100 a month (or what ever they can get) for internet access only and more per bandwidth package. Back to square one and nothing changed. I have a feeling the cable/fios providers are only slightly displeased with declining sales on their basic to premium channel packages because if they wait long enough, then they'll have a chokehold on all our services.
Then many may go back to digital attenas and actually reading a book. Wait..maybe that's not a bad thing.lol.
Sorry for the rant.
lol np.
true enough, it already is happening, just not dealing with common casual users. comcast already went through a net neutrality case dealing with bittorrent users, comcast started filtering and degrading their speed because of it.
sadly they won in the end, claimg that they should be allowed to trottle anyone if it will protect their network from disablization. a disurbing case, but the FCC doesn't give up, they are pushing for rules to protect net neutrality.
it seems providers are more and more looking to create tier services, unlimited access is a thorn in the side of most of them due to protacals like bittorrent. the thing is that these companies are just greedy and short sighted, they think they can resell bandwith to more people than the bandwith can handle and instead of improving the service they punish the users.
the chokehold comes mostly because of the state/city monopoly the internet providers hold, they can charge anything they like because they have barely any compatition to speak of. at most there are two services with a few resellers:cable and phone, along with line leasing internet services that resell phone dsl lines at different rates.
if we are lucky we might have at least some freedoms from getting punished for daring to go to a rival providers content service because of what the FCC is doing.
the only reason i surmise that we are heading to digial mediums is because microsoft is exploring it, and many pc companies have found it painfully useful to do so, there isn't the same level of overhead from shipping disc stamping or shelf space cost.
they also rake in more money if it is digital(well maybe depending on microsoft/sony/nintendo).
one thing you can count on with the content providers, they will find a way to hold your balls to the fire to make you pay more for the same old crap.
They forget that they PC growth cycle is dependent upon console life cycles. PC game sales dimmed at the start of this gen when console tech was new, and are growing again. The same will happen when we get shiny new consoles again. The PC market will drop off a bit again with the influx of new, simpler, and cheaper tech and start growing again once that generation starts getting old. It's reasonable to suggest that when consoles can produce the same level of power at cheaper price and a more user friendly pakage that they will sell more units, and therefore more games.
I am, however, a firm believer in the idea that consoles and PCs will eventually converge and be the same exact thing. It seems the logical conclusion.
They also appear to assume that console sales will stagnate and even drop. =/ That's a lofty assumption. And why does the graph go back up a bit for consoles in 2015? that's not how predictions work. You don't say, oh, well from 2012-14 there's gonna be this drop off, but in 2015 they'll sell a little more. What? How do you predict that? Especially without any data. This is all just fancy lines that are drawn up to support their claims.
The average PC gamer always had better hardware then console gamers. Xbox360 and ps3 graphics looks like someone smeared greese all over every game.
Actually the graphics on PS3 and 360 look very decent. The consoles are a little dated at this point thats true. But most PC games are ports of console games these days.
Honestly I cant stand smug PC gaming purists. I have a fairly good PC, an Xbox 360, and a PS3. I enjoy all of them. I play games on all of them. I actually prefer Oblivion on console over PC. Even though it looks slightly better on my PC than the console, but it still looks great either way.
Not to mention the fact there's more console games than PC games. PC purists are just missing out. Which is fine but dont act smug about the fact you're missing out of hundreds of awesome titles because you refuse to play on anything but a PC. How can you act smug about that? Thats like going on vacation with some friends and river rafting and hand gliding is whats planned, and you act all smug because you only like hand gliding, so your friends have a blast doing both and you end up missing out on half the fun.
As for the point of the thread, PC gaming is never going to overtake consoles. Consoles have a massive user base. They're cheaper, and despite what PC super gamers will say, the graphics do compare pretty well. Plus a lot of games really feel better with a controller. Just like some games like an RTS or mmo feel better with a mouse and keyboard.
Personally I love playing games relaxing on the couch staring at my giant high def TV. Playing on my monitor is fine, but nothing compares to that.
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A big part of this is just them bringing PC game prices closer to console ones.
Hey that lil ole tennis game was the pride and joy of our neighborhood when my dad brought it home. I can still remember all the dads in the neighborhood gathered at our house taking turns playing it. And here us kids thought it was for us:)
The main problem that will always hinder consoles is that they will only be "state-of-the-art" for an extremely short peroid, PCs will always dominate consoles in hardware specs. At some point more people are going to want to get the most bang for their buck. PCs offer more flexibility, and more usability than consoles, especially in regards to non-gaming applications for PCs. Also, as other's have mentioned, Indie gaming has been a huge boon to PC gaming, hell just look at MineCraft (over 3 million keys sold). Steam has been an excellent medium for Indie developers to get exposure for their games, and many of those indie games have been well worth the cost for entry.
About the only advantage consoles have over PCs, is that developers only have to worry about the system specs for the consoles they are designing for. For PC gaming, they need to test a wider variety of hardware options to ensure that their game will be playable by the widest audience available within reason. Even the gimmicks of the console, such as motion control, have been duplicated by PC gaming.
I don't doubt that there will come a time when PC gaming will be more popular than console gaming. Of course, at that point, consoles might be more like specifically built gaming rigs, than the consoles of today.
The entire basis of Nvidia's projection seems to be flawed...
It seem to be based way to heavily on the concept that GFX define games and are solely responsible for their success.
This obviously is not true.
Games on a a 5 year old console are fully able to be as entertaining and fun as games released on a top end gaming PC today.
Since when? Did you miss the growth in MMO's carried forward by the Pc Iin the last 10 years? The last part of the 00's saw a decline in Pc exclusives, not a drop in Pc gamers. We've gone know where, just check the Steam service numbers since its launch. The Witcher 2 sold nearly a millions copies in its first month this year and well over that now. Pc gaming live an well on the indie scene too. Pc gaming not loosing ground at al, we're just waiting for some exclusives or games like Metro 2033 to us our tech and immerse us,which is picking up again this decade. Just sit back and watch the BF3 sales come end of Oct, a game made for Pc first and console version a much scaled down different beast. Watch the number of TOR release this Dec, a Pc only game.
I think you may be a good future trend spotter.
Take a look at what happened to Macs. They lost all the hardware they used to have (68X processors?) and adopted mainstream PC tech. I think the same thing is going to happen with consoles.
Sony and Microsoft will make some new console completely based and compatible with modern PCs hopefully running windows but I doubt it very much. Commodore recently resurfaced making branded gaming PC gaming machines.
I think if a new play station or x box was on its way similar to what came before then we would have known about it by now.
from what i understand the ps4 is going to be using the cell processer again.
i highly doubt any console companies will design a console with general computing in mind, consoles are computers they are just specialized computers with heavly specialized memory sharing and processers.
while consoles sometimes have modular parts, companies find them nothing more than a way, in their minds, to pirate games.
i have a feeling that if internet services move to higher speeds this coming gen will be the last disc gen until we get digital distribution only.
but who knows? it has been found that console gamers love physical mediums and are willing to pay more for the disc even though the disc makes it cost more.
It seems great that everything will simply be downloaded but it actually scares me. I foresee a time when all our entertainment/news/Info will be streaming or digital download. Leaving all that to the mercy of internet providers and cable companies like Brighthouse or FIOS.
Many people I know have saved money cancelling cable packages and using netflix, hulu or someother services. They rejoice. What is not realized is they will eventually have us by the short and curlys....once we get to the point of strictly depending on a internet connection for all our gaming/entertainment/business/school research..etc...etc...etc...they'll just jack up the rates. Yay..pay $100 a month (or what ever they can get) for internet access only and more per bandwidth package. Back to square one and nothing changed. I have a feeling the cable/fios providers are only slightly displeased with declining sales on their basic to premium channel packages because if they wait long enough, then they'll have a chokehold on all our services.
Then many may go back to digital attenas and actually reading a book. Wait..maybe that's not a bad thing.lol.
Sorry for the rant.
lol np.
true enough, it already is happening, just not dealing with common casual users. comcast already went through a net neutrality case dealing with bittorrent users, comcast started filtering and degrading their speed because of it.
sadly they won in the end, claimg that they should be allowed to trottle anyone if it will protect their network from disablization. a disurbing case, but the FCC doesn't give up, they are pushing for rules to protect net neutrality.
it seems providers are more and more looking to create tier services, unlimited access is a thorn in the side of most of them due to protacals like bittorrent. the thing is that these companies are just greedy and short sighted, they think they can resell bandwith to more people than the bandwith can handle and instead of improving the service they punish the users.
the chokehold comes mostly because of the state/city monopoly the internet providers hold, they can charge anything they like because they have barely any compatition to speak of. at most there are two services with a few resellers:cable and phone, along with line leasing internet services that resell phone dsl lines at different rates.
if we are lucky we might have at least some freedoms from getting punished for daring to go to a rival providers content service because of what the FCC is doing.
the only reason i surmise that we are heading to digial mediums is because microsoft is exploring it, and many pc companies have found it painfully useful to do so, there isn't the same level of overhead from shipping disc stamping or shelf space cost.
they also rake in more money if it is digital(well maybe depending on microsoft/sony/nintendo).
one thing you can count on with the content providers, they will find a way to hold your balls to the fire to make you pay more for the same old crap.
I wonder how much things like piracy and drm play in those numbers?
They forget that they PC growth cycle is dependent upon console life cycles. PC game sales dimmed at the start of this gen when console tech was new, and are growing again. The same will happen when we get shiny new consoles again. The PC market will drop off a bit again with the influx of new, simpler, and cheaper tech and start growing again once that generation starts getting old. It's reasonable to suggest that when consoles can produce the same level of power at cheaper price and a more user friendly pakage that they will sell more units, and therefore more games.
I am, however, a firm believer in the idea that consoles and PCs will eventually converge and be the same exact thing. It seems the logical conclusion.
They also appear to assume that console sales will stagnate and even drop. =/ That's a lofty assumption. And why does the graph go back up a bit for consoles in 2015? that's not how predictions work. You don't say, oh, well from 2012-14 there's gonna be this drop off, but in 2015 they'll sell a little more. What? How do you predict that? Especially without any data. This is all just fancy lines that are drawn up to support their claims.
Actually the graphics on PS3 and 360 look very decent. The consoles are a little dated at this point thats true. But most PC games are ports of console games these days.
Honestly I cant stand smug PC gaming purists. I have a fairly good PC, an Xbox 360, and a PS3. I enjoy all of them. I play games on all of them. I actually prefer Oblivion on console over PC. Even though it looks slightly better on my PC than the console, but it still looks great either way.
Not to mention the fact there's more console games than PC games. PC purists are just missing out. Which is fine but dont act smug about the fact you're missing out of hundreds of awesome titles because you refuse to play on anything but a PC. How can you act smug about that? Thats like going on vacation with some friends and river rafting and hand gliding is whats planned, and you act all smug because you only like hand gliding, so your friends have a blast doing both and you end up missing out on half the fun.
As for the point of the thread, PC gaming is never going to overtake consoles. Consoles have a massive user base. They're cheaper, and despite what PC super gamers will say, the graphics do compare pretty well. Plus a lot of games really feel better with a controller. Just like some games like an RTS or mmo feel better with a mouse and keyboard.
Personally I love playing games relaxing on the couch staring at my giant high def TV. Playing on my monitor is fine, but nothing compares to that.
Of course they're going to say that. There's a good chance not a single console will use Nvidia's products next generation.
The Wii U and next Xbox are using AMD. No word on what the PS4 is using but Nvidia hasn't locked down the contract yet.
So Nvidia has incentives to say this stuff. PC's beating consoles combined in sales is highly unlikey. That's just reality.