But it is possible in a game SIX MONTHS OLD to pay for 'veteran rewards' for TWO YEARS. You can get something that is earned for subscribing until march 2013 now. And you don't see any issue with that?
No because I renewed my sub for another 6 months because it allowed me to pay 9.95 a month instead of 15 and got rewards for doing what I was going to do anyways. win win its just a game not my job
I have no issues with paid time being the measure of vetrewards
some players view age as account age (subbed or not) but RIFT views Vet age as paid months
someone mentioned GW annual pets but thats invalid comparison - those are CHARACTER age pets
vet rewards are paid account rewards - nothing more
its not that much different than players gettin cheaper sub prices if they pay more in advance
It seems more like the people complaining are the greedy ones. The fact that you can claim a reward for time purchased in advanced seems pretty generous. If you look at it the other way, why the hell would you want to wait till the 12th month of your one year subscription to claim rewards you paid for a year ago. Seems like a no-brainer to me
Your logic is flawed. I haven't played RIFT, but I could technically buy the game today pay for the 1 year subscription and be considered a "veteran" player without even having played the game?
As people have already said, it should be rewards for people that have played that long not for people who have paid in advance. A player should be rewarded for playing/paying since launch.
This is just BS marketing that they stole from cell phone companies who give better incentives to new customers and snub their current customers.
Compare this to the vet rewards for EQ2, another game I play, and it's a far better, more generous system. Vet Rewards in EQ2 work like this. You get an annual rewards that you can use as your account anniversary passes. So if you're on a six month or annual subscription you get the reward just as your account expires because Sony are greedy bastards and want you to resub in order to actually use the reward. I really like that I can use my RIFT rewards during the time I'm playing the game for my current subscription period, not the next one.
And here it is. by calling SoE greedy because of their veteran reward system you just invalidated anything you may have written. So EQ2 rewards you for playing as opposed to paying. Wouldnt that actually be the opposite of greedy? They are thanking you for time spent in their world, not money spent.
However EQ1 bases at least some of its rewards on time paid as opposed to played. Oh and SoE basically pioneered the whole system in the first place.
I dont really care which a company chooses. Paid or played. Neither is greedy if done in a sensible way. But dangling carrots you can pay extra to get at *less* benefit? Thats where I draw the line.
I recently bought the digital d/load and got a bag, some potions and some head gear for my appearnce slot. To me these were extras which I didnt expect. I didnt sub for 6 or 12 months because I do not yet know how long I will play. But the extended subs are financially beneficial if one is sure he will play that long. Its obvious you dont like the game so my point of view is lost on you but it is what it is.
Ive said stuff on this thread that suggested I was actively playing the game, which I am, so then its obvious I *do* like the game. And the extended subs are financially beneficial, although it is impossible to know if you will be playign for a year, I think anyone subbed beyond 6 months is nuts but thats besides the point.
The vet rewards are set up in a way that you can pay for time beyond the subplans and earn more stuff. If it was just set up to the subplans no one would have an issue.
Funny how people think Trion is being greedy. The stuff is free based on how long you've paid. So what if you've paid 6 months in advance and get them early? You can't get your money back so why not get the incentives earlier? People who pay month to month will get it eventually also. Just need to be patient and you'll get it. I don't see how it's being so greedy for rewarding the people early because they paid in advanced early. Oh well people can enjoy their WOW cash shop or D3 market fees then. lol greed.. I'll take my free gifts for playing a game I like over having to pay cash on top of a monthly subscription fee for items.
Its kind of sad how many people just don't get it. People are quick to defend Trion but lash out against other companies, and very few are even addressing the reason why people that look at the big picture are calling Trion out on this. I think PT Barnum was generous with every minute.
Compare this to the vet rewards for EQ2, another game I play, and it's a far better, more generous system. Vet Rewards in EQ2 work like this. You get an annual rewards that you can use as your account anniversary passes. So if you're on a six month or annual subscription you get the reward just as your account expires because Sony are greedy bastards and want you to resub in order to actually use the reward. I really like that I can use my RIFT rewards during the time I'm playing the game for my current subscription period, not the next one.
And here it is. by calling SoE greedy because of their veteran reward system you just invalidated anything you may have written. So EQ2 rewards you for playing as opposed to paying. Wouldnt that actually be the opposite of greedy? They are thanking you for time spent in their world, not money spent.
However EQ1 bases at least some of its rewards on time paid as opposed to played. Oh and SoE basically pioneered the whole system in the first place.
I dont really care which a company chooses. Paid or played. Neither is greedy if done in a sensible way. But dangling carrots you can pay extra to get at *less* benefit? Thats where I draw the line.
Do they really check if you're playing or not? I doubt it. Someone could just be paying the monthly fee and not even play the game. I've known a couple people that have kept their wow subscription going while not even playing the game. Waste of money? Sure, but that just proves that they aren't rewarding you for playing but paying.
I've known a couple people that have kept their wow subscription going while not even playing the game. Waste of money? Sure, but that just proves that they aren't rewarding you for playing but paying.
Would it be better if they called it a signing bonus instead of loyalty reward? How about you get nothing for subbing except playtime, would that be better? Are people stupid enough to sub for 12 months just to get a virtual item? Some certainly are, if not, F2P games would have died years ago. But for those that are going to sub anyway I really dont see what all the angst is about.
Really? This game sucks and Im not having fun? Im going to unsub right now. Thanks for the tip.
Its kind of sad how many people just don't get it. People are quick to defend Trion but lash out against other companies, and very few are even addressing the reason why people that look at the big picture are calling Trion out on this. I think PT Barnum was generous with every minute.
ok so you are saying that if I pay for lets say a 12 month sub with Everquest 2 right now I get the 12 month benefits <--this is hypothetical
Actually also here is the better question. Where have you seen people hassling Sony about this like ever?
Do anything at all and be criticized. Thats the society we live in now. We are very entitled people. Shame. Enjoy games for the fun. Dont remove joy for the sake of complaining.
So people shouldnt be called out for doing something greedy? If they had just done it for 12 months (within the current subscription plans) then no one would say anything negative.
But it is possible in a game SIX MONTHS OLD to pay for 'veteran rewards' for TWO YEARS. You can get something that is earned for subscribing until march 2013 now. And you don't see any issue with that?
It's not greedy imo ..it's incentive to keep playing.Just another little reward/gift to casually work toward. No urgency. I'm content to gain the free shite as I play. Whose fault is it if someone plops down 2 years worth of subfees to get what is mostly..cosmetic gear? Trion? Greed? The greed imo would be the have alls that can't wait and do plop down the dough and the have nots who can't afford it so they whine about not having everything now. Then again..to each their own.
I think if they just created a cash shop to sell these vanity items people would have complained less (because it has been done before), which is quite ironic.
Veteran Rewards are special items awarded to players based on the amount of time they have been subscribed to EverQuest. The longer you subscribe, the more you earn. The awarding of Veteran Rewards is based on the entitled time on your account: specifically, how many paid days your account has been subscribed.
If you bought a year's subscription your account will be credited for that year.
Veteran Rewards are special items awarded to players based on the amount of time they have been subscribed to EverQuest. The longer you subscribe, the more you earn. The awarding of Veteran Rewards is based on the entitled time on your account: specifically, how many paid days your account has been subscribed.
If you bought a year's subscription your account will be credited for that year.
I think EQ2 goes by account age, not positive. But lets take EQ1 as an example.
Their veteran rewards system is every year they give people another ability, from a once a day exp boost to a resist buff cooldown to a second gate spell. They add a new one in every year. If this was added in their patch notes:
Added veteran rewards for 2012 and 2013. As a reminder anyone who paid through that time frame can get them, so if you dont want to wait just add to your subscription today!
If I'd been enjoying Rift six months, still enjoyed it, and was given a chance to buy six more months of it for around $60, not to mention getting all kinds of convenient goodies and nice looking armor, I'd be delighted to spend the money. Since I didn't find Rift enjoyable, I'll pass, but I don't see why people are upset about this.
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Added veteran rewards for 2012 and 2013. As a reminder anyone who paid through that time frame can get them, so if you dont want to wait just add to your subscription today!
what do you think the response would be?
they did exactly that back in 2005 - I dont think players had issues
As part of EverQuest's 6th-Year Anniversary celebration, the game team is giving current EQ players** one special Veteran Reward for every year that you've been an active, paying EverQuest subscriber in good standing! This is very good news for six year vets! It means that you'll be getting six Veteran Rewards for up to six of your characters!
In addition, players who purchase the special 12-month subscription will be entitled to receive their next year’s reward without having to wait* until their next year as a subscriber (subject to the launch date or account age calculation date of the veteran rewards program). For example, a three year veteran will be entitled to receive awards one through three for up to three characters. If he or she decides to purchase the special Sixth-year anniversary 12-month subscription plan, he or she will also be entitled to receive the fourth year award as a bonus without having to wait* until their fourth year as a qualifying subscriber.
Added veteran rewards for 2012 and 2013. As a reminder anyone who paid through that time frame can get them, so if you dont want to wait just add to your subscription today!
what do you think the response would be?
they did exactly that back in 2005 - I dont think players had issues
As part of EverQuest's 6th-Year Anniversary celebration, the game team is giving current EQ players** one special Veteran Reward for every year that you've been an active, paying EverQuest subscriber in good standing! This is very good news for six year vets! It means that you'll be getting six Veteran Rewards for up to six of your characters!
In addition, players who purchase the special 12-month subscription will be entitled to receive their next year’s reward without having to wait* until their next year as a subscriber (subject to the launch date or account age calculation date of the veteran rewards program). For example, a three year veteran will be entitled to receive awards one through three for up to three characters. If he or she decides to purchase the special Sixth-year anniversary 12-month subscription plan, he or she will also be entitled to receive the fourth year award as a bonus without having to wait* until their fourth year as a qualifying subscriber.
I don;t even remember them doing that for the 7th year, and you were right it wasn't really a big deal then. However, there are a few things to consider.
1. This was a big surprise to people, because this was *not* an MMO staple then. This was what kicked off the trend, which is now commonplace and almost expected.
2. People didn;t hate SoE then. CU hadnt even hit yet for SWG let alone NGE. Yes, there were some idiots with their 'SoE ruined EQ' crap and EQ2 wasnt a flop nor was it tremendously well received, but SoE still had a good name at this point.
3. The 7th year was bundled on to their special pricing plan, the best deal they had ever offered.
Again, if they did this today they would get reamed.
Maybe I am being a little hard on Trion, but I do not like some the little things they do which to me are gaint warning signs. Like, as Ive mentioned, the bit on the launcher reminding me I can upgrade to the CE and get bigger bags and an ugly ass turtle mount. I know CEs are nothing new, but usually they are just that, collector's editions. Once release is passed they are done with. But not with Trion. In fact, by doing this every time I want to play, I feel like I didnt buy the full game or something. By the way Blizzard: if you did this you would make millions. People like those CE pets.
I honestly didnt think anything of what Trion did until I was sitting in Sanctum and saw someone get the 24 month veteran achievement. Made me think 'how is this possible? most someone could possibly have is 18 months...' but then realized with the game cards its possible. Its tacky for a game so young. Makes it tough for me to see this as a *genuine* thank you as opposed to a 'please subscribe longer, well give you stuff'.
If I'd been enjoying Rift six months, still enjoyed it, and was given a chance to buy six more months of it for around $60, not to mention getting all kinds of convenient goodies and nice looking armor, I'd be delighted to spend the money. Since I didn't find Rift enjoyable, I'll pass, but I don't see why people are upset about this.
The way it is "labeled" in this thread - there would have been less of an issue.
"Veteran" Rewards != "Loyalty" Rewards
Trion announced Vet rewards - when in fact, they were announcing Loyalty rewards. There is a difference. It comes down to tense. Vet rewards are for the past loyalty that you have shown. Loyalty rewards are for past and future. Given that the RIFT rewards are mainly future bound...which you can get now; it was a double slap in the face of RIFT Vets.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Heh, I find these posts humorous. I payed for my 6m script right at beta, just saw that i can get a year play time for 8.99 a month if i pay it in advance... my jaw dropped at that kind of savings. Hell if trion wants to give me perks on top of me saving that kind of money, i will gladly pay for a year script and take the rewards to boot.
You dont have to beat me over the head to see something so simple as saving money and getting free shit for it.
Anything else being put in this thread about greed is utter nonsense, well unless you're talking about my greed.
None of these games check if you are actually playing your subscription so in that respect they are all the same. Trion's system however is better because at least you get the rewards to enjoy them while you're still playing.
Consider a game which rewards based on active account age, not paid time: Game comes out and I start playing. I play it for 12 months then cancel (wether I pay 12mo at a time or 12x monthly). I get a loyalty reward at the end of my time that I never get to use. End result: I paid for 12mo and got nothing I could use for it.
Trion's model: I pay for 12mo and I get my reward as soon as those 12mo have been paid. If I pay it in advance I get it off the bat and enjoy it for 12mo. If I pay monthly I get it at the beginning of my 12th month so at the very least I get to enjoy it for a month before I quit. End result: I paid for 12mo and got to use a reward for 1-12 months.
WoW's model is even worse: I might be paying for the account. I might have logged in almost every day of the year but if I miss a narrow anniversary window I'm out of luck.
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I have no issues with paid time being the measure of vetrewards
some players view age as account age (subbed or not) but RIFT views Vet age as paid months
someone mentioned GW annual pets but thats invalid comparison - those are CHARACTER age pets
vet rewards are paid account rewards - nothing more
its not that much different than players gettin cheaper sub prices if they pay more in advance
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Your logic is flawed. I haven't played RIFT, but I could technically buy the game today pay for the 1 year subscription and be considered a "veteran" player without even having played the game?
As people have already said, it should be rewards for people that have played that long not for people who have paid in advance. A player should be rewarded for playing/paying since launch.
This is just BS marketing that they stole from cell phone companies who give better incentives to new customers and snub their current customers.
And here it is. by calling SoE greedy because of their veteran reward system you just invalidated anything you may have written. So EQ2 rewards you for playing as opposed to paying. Wouldnt that actually be the opposite of greedy? They are thanking you for time spent in their world, not money spent.
However EQ1 bases at least some of its rewards on time paid as opposed to played. Oh and SoE basically pioneered the whole system in the first place.
I dont really care which a company chooses. Paid or played. Neither is greedy if done in a sensible way. But dangling carrots you can pay extra to get at *less* benefit? Thats where I draw the line.
Ive said stuff on this thread that suggested I was actively playing the game, which I am, so then its obvious I *do* like the game. And the extended subs are financially beneficial, although it is impossible to know if you will be playign for a year, I think anyone subbed beyond 6 months is nuts but thats besides the point.
The vet rewards are set up in a way that you can pay for time beyond the subplans and earn more stuff. If it was just set up to the subplans no one would have an issue.
Funny how people think Trion is being greedy. The stuff is free based on how long you've paid. So what if you've paid 6 months in advance and get them early? You can't get your money back so why not get the incentives earlier? People who pay month to month will get it eventually also. Just need to be patient and you'll get it. I don't see how it's being so greedy for rewarding the people early because they paid in advanced early. Oh well people can enjoy their WOW cash shop or D3 market fees then. lol greed.. I'll take my free gifts for playing a game I like over having to pay cash on top of a monthly subscription fee for items.
Its kind of sad how many people just don't get it. People are quick to defend Trion but lash out against other companies, and very few are even addressing the reason why people that look at the big picture are calling Trion out on this. I think PT Barnum was generous with every minute.
Do they really check if you're playing or not? I doubt it. Someone could just be paying the monthly fee and not even play the game. I've known a couple people that have kept their wow subscription going while not even playing the game. Waste of money? Sure, but that just proves that they aren't rewarding you for playing but paying.
I agree - its all paid time in the end
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Would it be better if they called it a signing bonus instead of loyalty reward? How about you get nothing for subbing except playtime, would that be better? Are people stupid enough to sub for 12 months just to get a virtual item? Some certainly are, if not, F2P games would have died years ago. But for those that are going to sub anyway I really dont see what all the angst is about.
Really? This game sucks and Im not having fun? Im going to unsub right now. Thanks for the tip.
I agree if they labled the incentives/rewards as something else thered be less fuss
strike it up to marketing I guess -- the name veteran sounds better
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ok so you are saying that if I pay for lets say a 12 month sub with Everquest 2 right now I get the 12 month benefits <--this is hypothetical
Actually also here is the better question. Where have you seen people hassling Sony about this like ever?
It's not greedy imo ..it's incentive to keep playing.Just another little reward/gift to casually work toward. No urgency. I'm content to gain the free shite as I play. Whose fault is it if someone plops down 2 years worth of subfees to get what is mostly..cosmetic gear? Trion? Greed? The greed imo would be the have alls that can't wait and do plop down the dough and the have nots who can't afford it so they whine about not having everything now. Then again..to each their own.
I think if they just created a cash shop to sell these vanity items people would have complained less (because it has been done before), which is quite ironic.
believe so yes -- heres EQ faq (not eq2)
http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=135831
Veteran Rewards are special items awarded to players based on the amount of time they have been subscribed to EverQuest. The longer you subscribe, the more you earn. The awarding of Veteran Rewards is based on the entitled time on your account: specifically, how many paid days your account has been subscribed.
If you bought a year's subscription your account will be credited for that year.
EQ2 fan sites
I think EQ2 goes by account age, not positive. But lets take EQ1 as an example.
Their veteran rewards system is every year they give people another ability, from a once a day exp boost to a resist buff cooldown to a second gate spell. They add a new one in every year. If this was added in their patch notes:
Added veteran rewards for 2012 and 2013. As a reminder anyone who paid through that time frame can get them, so if you dont want to wait just add to your subscription today!
what do you think the response would be?
If I'd been enjoying Rift six months, still enjoyed it, and was given a chance to buy six more months of it for around $60, not to mention getting all kinds of convenient goodies and nice looking armor, I'd be delighted to spend the money. Since I didn't find Rift enjoyable, I'll pass, but I don't see why people are upset about this.
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you are correct - EQ2 used to go by acct age regardless if you paid or not
but they no longer do and havent in at least 2 years
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they did exactly that back in 2005 - I dont think players had issues
http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/news_article.vm?id=50003&month=042005
As part of EverQuest's 6th-Year Anniversary celebration, the game team is giving current EQ players** one special Veteran Reward for every year that you've been an active, paying EverQuest subscriber in good standing! This is very good news for six year vets! It means that you'll be getting six Veteran Rewards for up to six of your characters!
In addition, players who purchase the special 12-month subscription will be entitled to receive their next year’s reward without having to wait* until their next year as a subscriber (subject to the launch date or account age calculation date of the veteran rewards program). For example, a three year veteran will be entitled to receive awards one through three for up to three characters. If he or she decides to purchase the special Sixth-year anniversary 12-month subscription plan, he or she will also be entitled to receive the fourth year award as a bonus without having to wait* until their fourth year as a qualifying subscriber.
EQ2 fan sites
I don;t even remember them doing that for the 7th year, and you were right it wasn't really a big deal then. However, there are a few things to consider.
1. This was a big surprise to people, because this was *not* an MMO staple then. This was what kicked off the trend, which is now commonplace and almost expected.
2. People didn;t hate SoE then. CU hadnt even hit yet for SWG let alone NGE. Yes, there were some idiots with their 'SoE ruined EQ' crap and EQ2 wasnt a flop nor was it tremendously well received, but SoE still had a good name at this point.
3. The 7th year was bundled on to their special pricing plan, the best deal they had ever offered.
Again, if they did this today they would get reamed.
Maybe I am being a little hard on Trion, but I do not like some the little things they do which to me are gaint warning signs. Like, as Ive mentioned, the bit on the launcher reminding me I can upgrade to the CE and get bigger bags and an ugly ass turtle mount. I know CEs are nothing new, but usually they are just that, collector's editions. Once release is passed they are done with. But not with Trion. In fact, by doing this every time I want to play, I feel like I didnt buy the full game or something. By the way Blizzard: if you did this you would make millions. People like those CE pets.
I honestly didnt think anything of what Trion did until I was sitting in Sanctum and saw someone get the 24 month veteran achievement. Made me think 'how is this possible? most someone could possibly have is 18 months...' but then realized with the game cards its possible. Its tacky for a game so young. Makes it tough for me to see this as a *genuine* thank you as opposed to a 'please subscribe longer, well give you stuff'.
The way it is "labeled" in this thread - there would have been less of an issue.
"Veteran" Rewards != "Loyalty" Rewards
Trion announced Vet rewards - when in fact, they were announcing Loyalty rewards. There is a difference. It comes down to tense. Vet rewards are for the past loyalty that you have shown. Loyalty rewards are for past and future. Given that the RIFT rewards are mainly future bound...which you can get now; it was a double slap in the face of RIFT Vets.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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Heh, I find these posts humorous. I payed for my 6m script right at beta, just saw that i can get a year play time for 8.99 a month if i pay it in advance... my jaw dropped at that kind of savings. Hell if trion wants to give me perks on top of me saving that kind of money, i will gladly pay for a year script and take the rewards to boot.
You dont have to beat me over the head to see something so simple as saving money and getting free shit for it.
Anything else being put in this thread about greed is utter nonsense, well unless you're talking about my greed.
back in 2005, when SOE announced that you could buy year sub for 99.00 and get next years vet reward
I did the same thing --- the vet rewards are just gravy, the sub savings are where its really at
I agree Veteran is the wrong word to use but its been used like this in mmos for 7 years now
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None of these games check if you are actually playing your subscription so in that respect they are all the same. Trion's system however is better because at least you get the rewards to enjoy them while you're still playing.
Consider a game which rewards based on active account age, not paid time: Game comes out and I start playing. I play it for 12 months then cancel (wether I pay 12mo at a time or 12x monthly). I get a loyalty reward at the end of my time that I never get to use. End result: I paid for 12mo and got nothing I could use for it.
Trion's model: I pay for 12mo and I get my reward as soon as those 12mo have been paid. If I pay it in advance I get it off the bat and enjoy it for 12mo. If I pay monthly I get it at the beginning of my 12th month so at the very least I get to enjoy it for a month before I quit. End result: I paid for 12mo and got to use a reward for 1-12 months.
WoW's model is even worse: I might be paying for the account. I might have logged in almost every day of the year but if I miss a narrow anniversary window I'm out of luck.