The term wow-clone is completly meaningless to me. I love MMORPGS, and the majority of them are completely independant games. Sure I have seen a handful that tried to exactly mirror wow in every way.. But if you start calling EVERY game a "clone" because it follows a similar formula, then you must also say that CoD and BF series are wolfenstein clones.. Every side scrolling game of any genre is obviously a Mario bros clone.. Hell Texas Hold'em poker is a solitaire clone right?
I tend to , how should I put it.. "de-value" a persons opinion when I see the term "wow clone" used in a serious descriptive manner. It's just stupid.. No matter what game you are talking about, in the MMORPG genre they all follow a similar formula, and not every game is trying to copy WoW. If games dont take good qualities from past successful titles and implement them and improve upon them, we would be extremely limited in the games we get to play..
Jeez, I sure HATE my honda civic, so tired of driving it... Stupid Ford Model-A CLONE..
Damn noobs at honda, cant come up with an original idea, learn to engineer noobs!!!
I've seen soooooooooooooooooooooooo many threads flaming various MMO for being a WoW clone. So what's so bad about it? Why do you people assume that simply because someone is bored with WoW it meas that they are bored with the game's concept?
I've played WoW since release. I've seen all the game has to offer and I am bored with it but that's because I know everything there is to the game. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't want a game which plays the same way as WoW does, e.g. a game like Rift. I would love to have a good WoW clone where I can explore new zones, classes, lore etc.
For me WoW's way of doing it is fun without all the crap most other games have. For me WoW is the best MMO and I have played every single pay 2 play MMO out there. Every single one and not even one of them came close to WoW.
I would love to play a solid game which adops most of WoW's ideas (and maybe that's why I am enjoying RIFT so much at the moment). It's just like Diablo 2. There isn't a single good clone of that game which feels or is as fun as D2. I was actually surprised at the lack of Diablo 2 clones.
I won't even comment on sandbox MMOs. These are not worth my time. I've seen so many people talking about how great they are and about the possibilities!!! Man, all the possibilities!!! Yeah, right! Maybe in someone's wildest imagination but not in reality.
Did you ever play Shadowbane? It might be before your time. Shadowbane was a sandbox MMO that would have shit on WoW in my opinion. If it was polished and didnt have that stupid sb.exe, it definitely would have gave WoW a run for its money. This game had endless possibilities, treason, backstabbing, the most politics I have ever seen in a game and LONG sieges. One fight we had lasted more then 16 hours. This wasnt a fight against NPC's, it was a fight against other players, trying to destroy their city.
Shadowbane was the most intense game I have ever played, waiting at the tree of life for your group to form up and than going out into the dessert and hopeing you did not get picked off by invisable roques---great game!
Problem with wow clone is that most of them doesn't offer as much high quality content as wow, this is due to wow having years and years to chrun out new content and polish the heck out of the game.
Rift for example offer a wow clone experience with a gimmicky "dynamic" event system. The raid quality is good but the numbers available is limited. Quest wise, it's basic hub to hub SOP.
And rift is currently the most solid wow clone to date.
For me, i rather support lineage 2, ffxi, vanguard than another wow clone. If u guys try it out u'll realise that theres life out there in mmo genre than wow.
I never said that all MMOs should be WoW clones. What I wanted to say is that we should also have WoW clones. You ask why? Because if you are bored with WoW it means you can pick up a similar game which will hopefully deliver similar experince to a sufficient level of quality. Are all WoW clones crap? I just want some high quality WoW clones. Rift is quite nice in my opinion.
Do we need more innovative games? Yes, we do, no doubt about it. Am I excited about games like SWTOR and GW2? Of course, I am. I've been a Guild Wars fan since 2005 and I've played KOTOR and it was one of my all time favourites.
But I wouldn't mind having a game which is a WoW "clone" as long as it delivers a good amount of quality content.
About my MMO experience, I would be surprised if someone can come up with a P2P MMO I haven't played. I would actually be quite interested to try it No F2P MMOs though ...
If a game is innovative, great! If a game doesn't bring much new stuff to the table but is highly polished, has a large amount of content and delivers on the quality criterion??? I wouldn't mind playing that too!
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
Originally posted by fivoroth I never said that all MMOs should be WoW clones. What I wanted to say is that we should also have WoW clones. You ask why? Because if you are bored with WoW it means you can pick up a similar game which will hopefully deliver similar experince to a sufficient level of quality. Are all WoW clones crap? I just want some high quality WoW clones. Rift is quite nice in my opinion. Do we need more innovative games? Yes, we do, no doubt about it. Am I excited about games like SWTOR and GW2? Of course, I am. I've been a Guild Wars fan since 2005 and I've played KOTOR and it was one of my all time favourites. But I wouldn't mind having a game which is a WoW "clone" as long as it delivers a good amount of quality content. About my MMO experience, I would be surprised if someone can come up with a P2P MMO I haven't played. I would actually be quite interested to try it No F2P MMOs though ... If a game is innovative, great! If a game doesn't bring much new stuff to the table but is highly polished, has a large amount of content and delivers on the quality criterion??? I wouldn't mind playing that too!
You asked why is there so much anger towards 'wow clones.' People responded in their own way that they are tired of it and would like to see the the resources going into 'wow clones' be put into a game trying to innovate the genre rather than stagnate it.
You got exactly what you asked for.
Sent me an email if you want me to mail you some pizza rolls.
I have played 'wow clones' since the late 90's. I am just worn out on the concept, and they seem to be on the trend of focusing more and more on the aspects that I always disliked in those games.
It also goes to taste, I enjoy exploring, creating, and socializing in MMOs. Something that suffers in 'wow clones.'
Socializing is still there, maybe you just give of a bad vibe or make yourself unapproachable. Maybe your not even trying.
I have played 'wow clones' since the late 90's. I am just worn out on the concept, and they seem to be on the trend of focusing more and more on the aspects that I always disliked in those games.
It also goes to taste, I enjoy exploring, creating, and socializing in MMOs. Something that suffers in 'wow clones.'
Socializing is still there, maybe you just give of a bad vibe or make yourself unapproachable. Maybe your not even trying.
Ya...one out of three isn't bad. So you can get 1/3 of what you are looking for if you really try, stop giving off your bad vibe and make yourself more approachable.
The problem with WoW clones is that we already have a WoW. If you want to play WoW then play WoW. And just because something isn't worth your time, doesn't mean it's not worth someone elses.
The term wow-clone is completly meaningless to me. I love MMORPGS, and the majority of them are completely independant games. Sure I have seen a handful that tried to exactly mirror wow in every way.. But if you start calling EVERY game a "clone" because it follows a similar formula, then you must also say that CoD and BF series are wolfenstein clones.. Every side scrolling game of any genre is obviously a Mario bros clone.. Hell Texas Hold'em poker is a solitaire clone right?
I tend to , how should I put it.. "de-value" a persons opinion when I see the term "wow clone" used in a serious descriptive manner. It's just stupid.. No matter what game you are talking about, in the MMORPG genre they all follow a similar formula, and not every game is trying to copy WoW. If games dont take good qualities from past successful titles and implement them and improve upon them, we would be extremely limited in the games we get to play..
Jeez, I sure HATE my honda civic, so tired of driving it... Stupid Ford Model-A CLONE..
Damn noobs at honda, cant come up with an original idea, learn to engineer noobs!!!
(laugh)
Single player games can ride solely on story, graphics and level design while MMOGs cannot.
Zelda is the same game it was when it came out, but people still keep buying it for the story it tells and the way the world is set up. But once you've explored the world and completed the game, what more is there? People don't continue playing a single player game after they've done everything there is to do, and the same goes for MMORPGs.
But creating repeatable content only goes so far, and this is where single player and MMO games separate. Repeatable content can't really have much of a story, and the level design is the same, so the content must be different from other MMOGs in enough ways to keep people interested as long as possible until they can come up with more repeatable content. The more the content is similar to the previous game, the faster people get tired of it.
That opening statement to the question was laughable.
I played FFXI for 8 years and if they didn't make such a huge flip flop of the game ,i would stil lbe playing it.I have played UT99 for 12 years and still enjoy it.
So when you said that just because you are bored of Wow doesn't mean you are bored of the design is contradicting yourself.
If you are bored of Wow then you are bored it is that simple,a new skin shouldn't change that unless you are just enjoying the new skin and not really the game or it's concept.
A good game concept/design imo lasts almost forever it will never grow old,otherwise it was not as great as you made it out to be.
How many people still play and enjoy monopoly?You know how old that game is?umm poker,euchre ever heard of them?
Geesh i still absolutely love playing a very old Sega console game called Langrisser 2,i like the design/concept.All that it would need is a modern version with graphics i'd be thoroughly enjoying myself.I love MTGO,i don't play it not because i am bored of it,i don't play it because HAsbro/Wizards of coast are money hungry crooks.I still however love the design and concept,so you see sir ,great game design lasts forever.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
The term wow-clone is completly meaningless to me. I love MMORPGS, and the majority of them are completely independant games. Sure I have seen a handful that tried to exactly mirror wow in every way.. But if you start calling EVERY game a "clone" because it follows a similar formula, then you must also say that CoD and BF series are wolfenstein clones.. Every side scrolling game of any genre is obviously a Mario bros clone.. Hell Texas Hold'em poker is a solitaire clone right?
I tend to , how should I put it.. "de-value" a persons opinion when I see the term "wow clone" used in a serious descriptive manner. It's just stupid.. No matter what game you are talking about, in the MMORPG genre they all follow a similar formula, and not every game is trying to copy WoW. If games dont take good qualities from past successful titles and implement them and improve upon them, we would be extremely limited in the games we get to play..
Jeez, I sure HATE my honda civic, so tired of driving it... Stupid Ford Model-A CLONE..
Damn noobs at honda, cant come up with an original idea, learn to engineer noobs!!!
(laugh)
Single player games can ride solely on story, graphics and level design while MMOGs cannot.
Zelda is the same game it was when it came out, but people still keep buying it for the story it tells and the way the world is set up. But once you've explored the world and completed the game, what more is there? People don't continue playing a single player game after they've done everything there is to do, and the same goes for MMORPGs.
But creating repeatable content only goes so far, and this is where single player and MMO games separate. Repeatable content can't really have much of a story, and the level design is the same, so the content must be different from other MMOGs in enough ways to keep people interested as long as possible until they can come up with more repeatable content. The more the content is similar to the previous game, the faster people get tired of it.
Spot on, I basicly see WoW and WoW clones a single player game with a built in chat room realy, appart from instances/raids, because its faster to lvl and farm loot solo and when somone come in the area ur farming in hinder your progress, from what i heard Blizzard has also stopped production on any new content for WoW currently to see whats gonna happen in the next couple months with Guildwars 2 since it appears they know there MMO style only going to go so far with what there doing, On the other side you have Everquest which is more social and more MMORPG feel to it since it built more aroundplaying with other people of the community and there still planning for the future cause people are stil intrested in the game because of that reason, For anyone who hasnt played a game like Everquest in the prime time, they dont realy know the magic of a true MMORPG. A game with a community always last longer than any solo based game from what ive seen and this is somthing the game company have lost sigh of over the years.
WoW hasnt stopped production on anything last meeting they had they discussed putting content out alot faster so your info is the complete opposite of my info go figure huh. and they are not i repeat not gonna announce project titan like they planned at blizz con so people goin just for that are gonna be dissapointed that and they pushed diablo 3 to 2012.
WoW hasnt stopped production on anything last meeting they had they discussed putting content out alot faster so your info is the complete opposite of my info go figure huh. and they are not i repeat not gonna announce project titan like they planned at blizz con so people goin just for that are gonna be dissapointed that and they pushed diablo 3 to 2012.
Just what i heard, apparently they halted production of any new content till they see how many people they loose to Guild wars 2 ad they were having some server issue with lag or somthing, i dont look up this stuff not intrested in WoW or it clones there just boring games to me, i am aware other people like them, i do wsh there was some variety in the market though.
WoW hasnt stopped production on anything last meeting they had they discussed putting content out alot faster so your info is the complete opposite of my info go figure huh. and they are not i repeat not gonna announce project titan like they planned at blizz con so people goin just for that are gonna be dissapointed that and they pushed diablo 3 to 2012.
Just what i heard, apparently they halted production of any new content till they see how many people they loose to Guild wars 2 ad they were having some server issue with lag or somthing, i dont look up this stuff not intrested in WoW or it clones there just boring games to me, i am aware other people like them, i do wsh there was some variety in the market though.
Now where did I put that double facepalm pic ...
Common dude, really ... I've seen some wild speculation in my time but ...
The future looks better then it ever has. Developers are finally starting to stray from that WoW template. And as time goes on, MMO's will continue to change for the better.
For every 10 "wow clones", an MMO with a new idea is born.
Your tears are in vain my friend.
LOL at devs starting to stray from the WoW template. It's not happening. Hell, one of the big Messiah's coming down the road, SWTOR, the developers have said they're more than happy to stay within WoW's shadow. People are still quaking in their diapers on the thought of trying to be different. Only indies can, and they'll be severely underfunded as a result.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
The majority of people in this world are not good at playing video games. World of Warcraft uses simple game mechanics that anyone can understand. If you can use a web browser you can play World of Warcraft.
These type of games are repetitious, outdated and just plain boring.
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The term wow-clone is completly meaningless to me. I love MMORPGS, and the majority of them are completely independant games. Sure I have seen a handful that tried to exactly mirror wow in every way.. But if you start calling EVERY game a "clone" because it follows a similar formula, then you must also say that CoD and BF series are wolfenstein clones.. Every side scrolling game of any genre is obviously a Mario bros clone.. Hell Texas Hold'em poker is a solitaire clone right?
I tend to , how should I put it.. "de-value" a persons opinion when I see the term "wow clone" used in a serious descriptive manner. It's just stupid.. No matter what game you are talking about, in the MMORPG genre they all follow a similar formula, and not every game is trying to copy WoW. If games dont take good qualities from past successful titles and implement them and improve upon them, we would be extremely limited in the games we get to play..
Jeez, I sure HATE my honda civic, so tired of driving it... Stupid Ford Model-A CLONE..
Damn noobs at honda, cant come up with an original idea, learn to engineer noobs!!!
(laugh)
MAny people love classic MMO games with classic MMO and RPG Mechanics that excisted long before WoW...
No reason to call those games WoW clones, is there?
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Shadowbane was the most intense game I have ever played, waiting at the tree of life for your group to form up and than going out into the dessert and hopeing you did not get picked off by invisable roques---great game!
Problem with wow clone is that most of them doesn't offer as much high quality content as wow, this is due to wow having years and years to chrun out new content and polish the heck out of the game.
Rift for example offer a wow clone experience with a gimmicky "dynamic" event system. The raid quality is good but the numbers available is limited. Quest wise, it's basic hub to hub SOP.
And rift is currently the most solid wow clone to date.
For me, i rather support lineage 2, ffxi, vanguard than another wow clone. If u guys try it out u'll realise that theres life out there in mmo genre than wow.
I never said that all MMOs should be WoW clones. What I wanted to say is that we should also have WoW clones. You ask why? Because if you are bored with WoW it means you can pick up a similar game which will hopefully deliver similar experince to a sufficient level of quality. Are all WoW clones crap? I just want some high quality WoW clones. Rift is quite nice in my opinion.
Do we need more innovative games? Yes, we do, no doubt about it. Am I excited about games like SWTOR and GW2? Of course, I am. I've been a Guild Wars fan since 2005 and I've played KOTOR and it was one of my all time favourites.
But I wouldn't mind having a game which is a WoW "clone" as long as it delivers a good amount of quality content.
About my MMO experience, I would be surprised if someone can come up with a P2P MMO I haven't played. I would actually be quite interested to try it
No F2P MMOs though ...
If a game is innovative, great! If a game doesn't bring much new stuff to the table but is highly polished, has a large amount of content and delivers on the quality criterion??? I wouldn't mind playing that too!
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
You asked why is there so much anger towards 'wow clones.' People responded in their own way that they are tired of it and would like to see the the resources going into 'wow clones' be put into a game trying to innovate the genre rather than stagnate it.
You got exactly what you asked for.
Sent me an email if you want me to mail you some pizza rolls.
As you continue to cry, your MMO will never be made again.
Socializing is still there, maybe you just give of a bad vibe or make yourself unapproachable. Maybe your not even trying.
Ya...one out of three isn't bad. So you can get 1/3 of what you are looking for if you really try, stop giving off your bad vibe and make yourself more approachable.
To the OP:
The problem with WoW clones is that we already have a WoW. If you want to play WoW then play WoW. And just because something isn't worth your time, doesn't mean it's not worth someone elses.
As you continue to cry, your MMO will never be made again.
I hope not, I hope for a better one.Single player games can ride solely on story, graphics and level design while MMOGs cannot.
Zelda is the same game it was when it came out, but people still keep buying it for the story it tells and the way the world is set up. But once you've explored the world and completed the game, what more is there? People don't continue playing a single player game after they've done everything there is to do, and the same goes for MMORPGs.
But creating repeatable content only goes so far, and this is where single player and MMO games separate. Repeatable content can't really have much of a story, and the level design is the same, so the content must be different from other MMOGs in enough ways to keep people interested as long as possible until they can come up with more repeatable content. The more the content is similar to the previous game, the faster people get tired of it.
Sarcasm is not a crime!
Hey that's awesome. There are people into erotic auto asphyxiation, NASCAR, and show tunes also.
I'm not a fan of those or WoW-clones.
I don't mind them. They can exist.
I'm just a fan of variety.
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
There's a game for all of that. Well, I don't know about show tunes.
Sarcasm is not a crime!
That opening statement to the question was laughable.
I played FFXI for 8 years and if they didn't make such a huge flip flop of the game ,i would stil lbe playing it.I have played UT99 for 12 years and still enjoy it.
So when you said that just because you are bored of Wow doesn't mean you are bored of the design is contradicting yourself.
If you are bored of Wow then you are bored it is that simple,a new skin shouldn't change that unless you are just enjoying the new skin and not really the game or it's concept.
A good game concept/design imo lasts almost forever it will never grow old,otherwise it was not as great as you made it out to be.
How many people still play and enjoy monopoly?You know how old that game is?umm poker,euchre ever heard of them?
Geesh i still absolutely love playing a very old Sega console game called Langrisser 2,i like the design/concept.All that it would need is a modern version with graphics i'd be thoroughly enjoying myself.I love MTGO,i don't play it not because i am bored of it,i don't play it because HAsbro/Wizards of coast are money hungry crooks.I still however love the design and concept,so you see sir ,great game design lasts forever.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Spot on, I basicly see WoW and WoW clones a single player game with a built in chat room realy, appart from instances/raids, because its faster to lvl and farm loot solo and when somone come in the area ur farming in hinder your progress, from what i heard Blizzard has also stopped production on any new content for WoW currently to see whats gonna happen in the next couple months with Guildwars 2 since it appears they know there MMO style only going to go so far with what there doing, On the other side you have Everquest which is more social and more MMORPG feel to it since it built more aroundplaying with other people of the community and there still planning for the future cause people are stil intrested in the game because of that reason, For anyone who hasnt played a game like Everquest in the prime time, they dont realy know the magic of a true MMORPG. A game with a community always last longer than any solo based game from what ive seen and this is somthing the game company have lost sigh of over the years.
WoW hasnt stopped production on anything last meeting they had they discussed putting content out alot faster so your info is the complete opposite of my info go figure huh. and they are not i repeat not gonna announce project titan like they planned at blizz con so people goin just for that are gonna be dissapointed that and they pushed diablo 3 to 2012.
Hating a game is something I can never get.
It is like saying I hate a Jazz album. Which is just 'lolwut'?
No, I don't care for Jazz, but I don't hate a Jazz album!
Just doesn't make sense.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Just what i heard, apparently they halted production of any new content till they see how many people they loose to Guild wars 2 ad they were having some server issue with lag or somthing, i dont look up this stuff not intrested in WoW or it clones there just boring games to me, i am aware other people like them, i do wsh there was some variety in the market though.
Doesnt mean that the game looks like WOW its already a WOW CLONE. All i can say is that WOW was just the first game to came out. PERIOD!
Now where did I put that double facepalm pic ...
Common dude, really ... I've seen some wild speculation in my time but ...
LOL at devs starting to stray from the WoW template. It's not happening. Hell, one of the big Messiah's coming down the road, SWTOR, the developers have said they're more than happy to stay within WoW's shadow. People are still quaking in their diapers on the thought of trying to be different. Only indies can, and they'll be severely underfunded as a result.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
Yep, and both of them make billions of dollars XD
That's right. And Bush was the 1st US presedent...
The majority of people in this world are not good at playing video games. World of Warcraft uses simple game mechanics that anyone can understand. If you can use a web browser you can play World of Warcraft.
These type of games are repetitious, outdated and just plain boring.