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General: Developer Perspectives: Start Ups - Do It Youself

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129

In a new Developer Perspectives series, Pitchblack Studios' Sanya Weathers offers her thoughts about the dev side of things. Today, Sanya talks start up companies and what it means to work at one. Sanya is currently the Director of Community for Pitchblack Games, a startup MMO company working on Prime Battle For Dominus. She has been working in the MMO industry since 2000, either as a journalist, a writer, or a community weenie. Read on!

You can’t be a specialist and work at a startup. You need to be able to do a little of everything, or at least be willing to take a swing at everything. Can you write stories? Can you boil documents down into interesting blurbs? Can you think methodically enough to simulate the QA person your company can’t afford? Are you willing to run cable, take out the trash, host a podcast, and troubleshoot a patcher, all in one afternoon? Are you willing to be paid in goodwill and have faith?

Read more of Sanya Weathers' Developer Perspectives: Start Ups - Do It Youself.



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  • mCalvertmCalvert Member CommonPosts: 1,283

    I would like to know what kind of business startups actually do. Do they make money and how? What does it actually cost to run one, and do they ever make money?

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Member Posts: 6,403

    Originally posted by mCalvert

    I would like to know what kind of business startups actually do. Do they make money and how? What does it actually cost to run one, and do they ever make money?

    http://www.primeonline.com/

    is what they're currently working on.  PvP focused, three-faction based, SF theme.   Probably the closest thing to  DAoC's spiritual successor coming up in the market right now.

    Will they make money?  I would assume so, there are certainly enough DAoC vets that would like to see that style of play make a return.  But the lack of promotion (pandemic to indies) means that not many people will hear of it until well after launch.

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247

    Originally posted by mCalvert

    I would like to know what kind of business startups actually do. Do they make money and how? What does it actually cost to run one, and do they ever make money?

    A 'startup' company is just a new tech-sector company that's active but in development phase. Basically, the comapny is established but they are still researching and developing their product.  They are no different from any other new business other than their lack of something sellable.

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  • SanyaSanya Director of Community Undead LabsMember UncommonPosts: 50

    Originally posted by Icewhite But the lack of promotion (pandemic to indies) means that not many people will hear of it until well after launch.

     

    Well, to be fair, we're just getting started. Once we are in a position to start releasing video, and open up the beta to more than a hundred testers, you'll start seeing some promotion.

    A company that starts hyping six months before release needs to deliver content so polished that is justifies the six months of waiting - waiting from the perspective of a player, I mean.

    Player sees game --> Player likes game --> Player can't play game --> Feeling of blue balls nearly kills player --> Player gets game --> Player thinks "I waited six months for THIS? OMG HATEZOR."

    This kills launches for gigantic budget projects. What do you think it'll do to a company that doesn't have the money to polish for a year, or even three months?

    Futhermore, hype leads to big splashy opening days. If you already know you won't have the staff or equipment to cope with a big opener, you actually want a quiet, word of mouth kind of scenario. An indie can't afford a giant marketing campaign a year after launch to tell everyone "no, really, we fixed it."

    You know, this is turning into a column, I should shut up and save it.

    Sanya M. Weathers
    Director of Community
    Undead Labs

  • CodiviusCodivius Member Posts: 30

    Hey Sanya,

     

    I've allways been intrigued by how these MMOgames made it into existence, since they require loads of people, time and money.  I read somewhere that the absolute minimum to do the first steps would require about 15 people, mostly coders. (unless you're going for some Indie experiment)  So I'm wondering what the importance is of a community manager is at this stage, i.e. what are your tasks now when there even isn't a community yet?   When do startups decide to hire people for the not-core, yet all-important bits?

    thanks for your time and sharing your experience!

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  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726

    I had a very good friend that worked on Vanguard.  He put in very long hours and ended up getting paid very little in return, MacQuaid pretty much took the money and ran on that one and left many people hanging.  It all depends on who the developers are.

  • KenFisherKenFisher Member UncommonPosts: 5,035

    Grats on the project, and great article.  Looking forward to checking it out.


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  • FadedbombFadedbomb Member Posts: 2,081

    Originally posted by Sanya

    Originally posted by Icewhite But the lack of promotion (pandemic to indies) means that not many people will hear of it until well after launch.

     

    Well, to be fair, we're just getting started. Once we are in a position to start releasing video, and open up the beta to more than a hundred testers, you'll start seeing some promotion.

    A company that starts hyping six months before release needs to deliver content so polished that is justifies the six months of waiting - waiting from the perspective of a player, I mean.

    Player sees game --> Player likes game --> Player can't play game --> Feeling of blue balls nearly kills player --> Player gets game --> Player thinks "I waited six months for THIS? OMG HATEZOR."

    This kills launches for gigantic budget projects. What do you think it'll do to a company that doesn't have the money to polish for a year, or even three months?

    Futhermore, hype leads to big splashy opening days. If you already know you won't have the staff or equipment to cope with a big opener, you actually want a quiet, word of mouth kind of scenario. An indie can't afford a giant marketing campaign a year after launch to tell everyone "no, really, we fixed it."

    You know, this is turning into a column, I should shut up and save it.

     

    Holy crap, it's Sanya Weathers from DAOC    O___O!

     

    Speaking of "PitchBlack Games", are testers allowed to divulge that they ARE testers, but NOT what kind of experience they're having other than positive :D?

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  • blazin-aceblazin-ace Member Posts: 302

    Originally posted by Icewhite

    Originally posted by Sanya

    Originally posted by Icewhite But the lack of promotion (pandemic to indies) means that not many people will hear of it until well after launch.

     

    Well, to be fair, we're just getting started. Once we are in a position to start releasing video, and open up the beta to more than a hundred testers, you'll start seeing some promotion.

    A company that starts hyping six months before release needs to deliver content so polished that is justifies the six months of waiting - waiting from the perspective of a player, I mean.

    Player sees game --> Player likes game --> Player can't play game --> Feeling of blue balls nearly kills player --> Player gets game --> Player thinks "I waited six months for THIS? OMG HATEZOR."

    This kills launches for gigantic budget projects. What do you think it'll do to a company that doesn't have the money to polish for a year, or even three months?

    Futhermore, hype leads to big splashy opening days. If you already know you won't have the staff or equipment to cope with a big opener, you actually want a quiet, word of mouth kind of scenario. An indie can't afford a giant marketing campaign a year after launch to tell everyone "no, really, we fixed it."

    You know, this is turning into a column, I should shut up and save it.

    Aw, column away if you wanna, you're that special kind of honest mod that people love to love.

    And yes, I understand the reasons for a more low-key approach to advertising.  Just wishing the PBG project the best, and hoping it doesn't get missed by players in the Big Sea of MMOs when the time comes.

     

    Gee, I never thought I'd see the day it was alright to sarcastically pick on a thirteen year old girl interested in the industry on MMORPG.com...

  • dlunasdlunas Member UncommonPosts: 206

    Interesting article, looking forward to reading more of your stuff.  Hope this thread turns into something cool, too.

    Sanyo, cool post.

  • marinridermarinrider Member UncommonPosts: 1,556

    Originally posted by blazin-ace

     

    Gee, I never thought I'd see the day it was alright to sarcastically pick on a thirteen year old girl interested in the industry on MMORPG.com...

    Wait what?!  You do realize that shes the director of community at PBG?  On top of that, that line doesnt seem like sarcasm to me.

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