Personally, the thing about universe is that Turbine has done magnificent job (sans some ....mmm....oddities like Foundation of Stone), while BW went "stilized realism"?, which just sounds and looks....bland, to be mild.
Gameplay will be the same, especially in endgame, raid -> gear -> raid -> gear or PvP -> gear ->PvP -> gear....which is just sad.
And yah, dont think it will impact LOTRO much, i love both IPs, but as far as immersion goes (since its only differentiator here) Turbine gets the prize.
Just dont know where "starwarsnut" got that SWTOR wont be quest grind+gear grind, when BW continually says that they are not moving an inch from that formula.
im sure swtor will be wow and lotro clone only with skins of jedi's XD
i myself like isengard..also new nice experience to work for orcs for a moment to escape imprisonement.
Nice landscapes (i like landscapes :P) ..only thing that could ever be awesomer is the big battlefield in front of minas tirith :P but itll take some time before we arrive there...i yust hope they keep advancing their graphics to so itll actually compete with newer games
im sure swtor will be wow and lotro clone only with skins of jedi's XD
i myself like isengard..also new nice experience to work for orcs for a moment to escape imprisonement.
Nice landscapes (i like landscapes :P) ..only thing that could ever be awesomer is the big battlefield in front of minas tirith :P but itll take some time before we arrive there...i yust hope they keep advancing their graphics to so itll actually compete with newer games
I was hoping we'd be further along by now, when the game launched the developers said it would be a five year project to get to Mordor. It's been 4 1/2, nearly 5, we're not quite there yet...
LOTRO is definitely worth playing though, and I personally think it is a highly underrated title. It has a LOT of content to offer, the best fantasy setting of all time, and the most flexible F2P payment model of any AAA title that has undergone a F2P conversion.
I started a new character just to see how easy it was to earn TP, and after less than a week that single character has earned 765 TP, just by playing the game. That is enough to buy 3 quest packs right away, and get a new character to 50.
Ive played swtor at san diego comic con and gamescon my friends in beta and i see it "FIRST HAND" on a daily basis. I stand by what i said lotro relies on theres name to much and rise of isengard is a piece of crap. You want to see generic landmass buy roi. Youll get your fill of remeshed landmass
Heres a real advertisement for swtor
Come play a "REAL" fun mmo no grindfest here. Unlike lotro wow and other mmo;s where you simply exist to help random npc's kill boars repeadetly its live action responding npcs and character involvement with your toon on a personal level. Your in the star wars universe and involved no pig killing here. Tired of lotro rehashing old areas and calling them new areas? Well we actually have new areas that arent remeshed other areas. Want a real legendary weapon? one u dont have to break and find over and over each xpac and then be told your "weapon grows with you" on top of it well here it is moddable off the bat. REAL adventure awaits you stop killin boars already a grand moff wants to speak with you!!
Regardless of what you think of pvp that was a flat out lie about the new map then told its coming later i heard the same thing in moria. Welll there gonna care about there side game when all those people go to swtor and gw/2 i see entire guilds organizing already to leave
4 years in and there just now seeing isengard? Should people wait another 4 years to see if they can get thier crap together then? With gw/2 swtor coming it will be to late. Lotros business model of taking thier sweet time is the stupidist thing to have in a industry changing on the fly 24/7 look at the iphones and everything else. Theres people on the lotro forums themself asking why lotro isnt like swtor and why are they stuck with generic npcs and boar killing lmao
the oher thing is when u think of lotr u think of a massive war not carrying pies and hardcore rp. Leasr swtor and even wow and gw/2 advertise a war. Not come here and carry pies and clap your hands in bree and jam music no war here in middle earth this is the sims middle earth
Originally posted by mikahr
Playing LOTRO for PvP is nuts. Yah, some do it, but they said it from the release - its a side attraction and will always be. Turbine was quite upfront about that.
What does SWTOR offer except quest grind to 50 and then raiding for gear?
Here is a little advertisment for SWTOR - "We are not in Azeroth/Middle Earth/Telara/[insert generic MMO landmass name] any more"
And a piece of advice - you should get your facts straight before writing stuff, or it just turns out silly.
b) do the objectives of the quest which usually involves killing pigs and rats and jawas...
c) turn in quest for rewards/finish automatically
d) continue to next quest-giver
no?
Yah, its *totally* different to get quest "kill 10 boars and big papa boar", or "kill papa boar" and you have to kill 10 boars on your way there. wow.
Its just a quest grind like any other, with cinematics you can skip if you want, just like you skip text.
You change nothing, and you impact nothing, just like any other MMO.
So you grind quests to lvl50, then switch to grind raids/PvP for gear. What a great inovative gameplay. I *cant* resist...no wait i can. FYI ive been following SWTOR for quite a few years now, and its *clearly* copy, generic MMO just like LOTRO/Rift. On top of that visuals are so bad, "stilized realism" say whaa?
Sorry if you missed when 1 of the doctors said "yea we are making WoW 1,5". And numerous BW staff repeatedly saying "we go by generic".
And yah, ill cut my pinky off if you wont have to grind stuff for your glowy stick. It seems you dont know how generic MMO works. Let me sum it up for you "grind, grind, grind, and then grind some more". No grindfest lol, youll grind quests, raids/PvP for gear just like in any othere generic themeark MMO.
LOTROs business model is best in the industry.
Oh man, you mean ther RP in RPG game. I think you will hate SWTOR cause there will be even more RP. And you can go kill monsters anytime anywhere in any of those game you mention, no difference there. Nobody points gun to your head and says "deliver that pie in LOTRO or youre dead".
You can play a Hobbit you know, and making/delivering/eating pies is their specialty. Shame on you Turbine for making fun, totally optional quests, and put some RPG in RPG. *Totally* immersion breaking I mean i want to gank lowbi hobitses in Shire whaaaa, whaaaa, whaaa.
And FYI, ROI looks and feels great. Just like Eriador and Moria and Mirkwood. LOTRO has flaws, but how world looks and feels in 99% cases is *definately* not one of them, quite the contrary, its one of its biggest strenghts.
First thing is you dont "grind" for much of anything like u do in lotro. Bioware has reduced grinding for most things
For instance no insane trait grind like lotro
No legendary weapon grind
No weapon stone grind.
A. yes sometimes they actually come to you
B. nope no pigs here there is jawas but theres story involved and storyline and as the con footage showed u get a jawa companion. Thier is quests killing jawas but its not done more then 2 times total. Certain classes you dont even do it at all
The majority of quests depend on your actions you take and how the npcs re act to you. Its not set in stone like lotro where your doing the same quest regardless of class.
C. depends on what you choose based on your answers and line you take some times yes a lot of times no. Your story line guides you most of the time
D. Depends on your story and whats going on in it.
Heres some questions i know the answer to
A. does lotro quest giver acknowledge im a person in middle earth? does the lotro quest give say anything besides the same thing over and over? answer nope same generic thing and wall of text
B. do the quests objectives ever not involve kiling pigs/bears/mobs ever? LOL the majority of lotro quests are mindless mob grinds
C. Turn in quest automatically nope you have ride back to the town you came from and turn them in.
For some one who accues other of bieng terribly misinformed you have absolutely 100% no idea what your talking about. FYI observing first hand the game itself playing and "following" it are 2 different things. The graphics on the current build from what ive seen are 9.9 next build im sure it will be 10. The character models are 10 now for sure lotro's character models are crap compared to tors models. Ill take stylized graphics over 2005 character models that looke "ok" compared to awesome.
So keep "following" swtor ill watch it live on my room mates pc and judge it off that not some pos news articles or someone who has no idea what swtor is at all lolz
FYI the reason roi feels like mirkwood and eriardor and has flaws is b/c there the same place remeshed lol. Its not a new area its just remeshed areas called new
I agree lotro looks amazing but graphics aint everything and having it be one of its "strengths" while having 4 year old bugs and rehashed areas called new is its biggest weakness besides the pay to win attitude it has now
I could have corvette that looks nice but if it has a v-6 its a pos but hey it looks nice
Originally posted by mikahr
Really, so in SWTOR you dont:
a) get quest
b) do the objectives of the quest which usually involves killing pigs and rats and jawas...
c) turn in quest for rewards/finish automatically
d) continue to next quest-giver
no?
Its just a quest grind like any other, with cinematics you can skip if you want, just like you skip text.
You change nothing, and you impact nothing, just like any other MMO.
So you grind quests to lvl50, then switch to grind raids/PvP for gear. What a great inovative gameplay. I *cant* resist...no wait i can. FYI ive been following SWTOR for quite a few years now, and its *clearly* copy, generic MMO just like LOTRO/Rift. On top of that visuals are so bad, "silized realism" say whaa?
Wow. At certain time stamp/event script is triggetred.That was done in BG 13 years ago.
"B. nope no pigs here there is jawas but theres story involved and storyline and as the con footage showed u get a jawa companion. Thier is quests killing jawas but its not done more then 2 times total. Certain classes you dont even do it at all"
So, you are saying some classes deliver pies form 1-50? That *really* sucks.
"The majority of quests depend on your actions you take and how the npcs re act to you. Its not set in stone like lotro where your doing the same quest regardless of class. "
Reaction is irrelevant, since you go from point A to point B and C no matter what you do, same as any other player. Only difference is "will i pick tunnel 1 or 2" Ever played any of BW games? It will be even worse in SWTOR because all players of same class *must* end up in same place. Bummer.
C. depends on what you choose based on your answers and line you take some times yes a lot of times no. Your story line guides you most of the time
So its like in every other MMO. awwwww
"D. Depends on your story and whats going on in it."
So you go to another quest giver? Ehm?What quest just randomly pop up for you?
"Heres something else to add you dont have to go and kill 200/400 pigs/bears for traits or "buy them""
Yah, there will be no achievents in SWTOR. LOTRO offers - grind them old school way, or buy them if youre lazy/dont have time. Both work for me. Oh, did i mention those are completely optonal, since you get enough by just doing quests and playing the game? Uh-oh. And just for clarity those are virtues, not traits.
Heres some questions i know the answer to
"A. does lotro quest giver acknowledge im a person in middle earth? does the lotro quest give say anything besides the same thing over and over? answer nope same generic thing and wall of text"
Yes, they aknowledge and often respond by my characters name.
"B. do the quests objectives ever not involve kiling pigs/bears/mobs ever? LOL the majority of lotro quests are mindless mob grinds"
Mmmm, yah, like *you* mentioned theres delivering pies...and stuff. SWTOR quests are mindless mob grinds too.I dont need 5 minute conversation that will in the end be "ok "now" go kill 10 rats"
C. Turn in quest automatically nope you have ride back to the town you came from and turn them in.
This is not a question sorry.
"For some one who accues other of bieng terribly misinformed you have absolutely 100% no idea what your talking about. FYI observing first hand the game itself playing and "following" it are 2 different things. The graphics on the current build from what ive seen are 9.9 next build im sure it will be 10. The character models are 10 now for sure lotro's character models are crap compared to tors models. Ill take stylized graphics over 2005 character models that looke "ok" compared to awesome. "
Really, pick up DA2 and ta-da. You get insta look up to SWTOR quest grind with better visuals, and much more leeway in what happens since not every player *has* to end up in same place since that story wont contiue.
So keep "following" swtor ill watch it live on my room mates pc and judge it off that not some pos news articles or someone who has no idea what swtor is at all lolz
lol you mad bro? No pies in star wars man. I played the dragon age games and such
I cant trigger an event i have no control over
You dont go from a to b on a reaction most the time the quest is done right then and there lol
Its not like every other mmo as much as u want to make it that way. It is however better then lotro based on playing lotro for 3 years and seeing tor first hand
theres more achievements in tor then all of middle earth put together and you dont have to do insane things to get them
Ive played da and most the stuff out there.
If you want quest grind lotro is for you 100% no game can beat the grind of lotro. Have you even played swtor? at the cons or anywhere.
Btw grinding means doing the same thing type of thing over and over and over in lotro this is true in tor it is not. Hell i seen leveling off companions questlines storys lvling off crafting hell you can even lvl pvp'n 24/7 if you wanted to
We still got gw/2 coming soon as well lotro is going to have to get off their butts evenrtually sigh..
Originally posted by mikahr
"A. yes sometimes they actually come to you"
Wow. At certain time stamp/event script is triggetred.That was done in BG 13 years ago.
"B. nope no pigs here there is jawas but theres story involved and storyline and as the con footage showed u get a jawa companion. Thier is quests killing jawas but its not done more then 2 times total. Certain classes you dont even do it at all"
So, you are saying some classes deliver pies form 1-50? That *really* sucks.
"The majority of quests depend on your actions you take and how the npcs re act to you. Its not set in stone like lotro where your doing the same quest regardless of class. "
Reaction is irrelevant, since you go from point A to point B and C no matter what you do, same as any other player. Only difference is "will i pick tunnel 1 or 2" Ever played any of BW game?
C. depends on what you choose based on your answers and line you take some times yes a lot of times no. Your story line guides you most of the time
So its like in every other MMO. awwwww
"D. Depends on your story and whats going on in it."
So you go to another quest giver? Ehm?What quest just randomly pop up for you?
"Heres something else to add you dont have to go and kill 200/400 pigs/bears for traits or "buy them""
Yah, there will be no achievents in SWTOR. LOTRO offers - grind them old school way, or buy them if youre lazy/dont have time. Both work for me.
Heres some questions i know the answer to
"A. does lotro quest giver acknowledge im a person in middle earth? does the lotro quest give say anything besides the same thing over and over? answer nope same generic thing and wall of text"
Yes, they aknowledge and often respond by my characters name
"B. do the quests objectives ever not involve kiling pigs/bears/mobs ever? LOL the majority of lotro quests are mindless mob grinds"
Mmmm, yah, like *you* mentioned theres delivering pies...and stuff. SWTOR quests are mindless mob grinds too.I dont need 5 minute conversation that will in the end be "ok "now" go kill 10 rats"
C. Turn in quest automatically nope you have ride back to the town you came from and turn them in.
This is not a question sorry.
"For some one who accues other of bieng terribly misinformed you have absolutely 100% no idea what your talking about. FYI observing first hand the game itself playing and "following" it are 2 different things. The graphics on the current build from what ive seen are 9.9 next build im sure it will be 10. The character models are 10 now for sure lotro's character models are crap compared to tors models. Ill take stylized graphics over 2005 character models that looke "ok" compared to awesome. "
Really, pick up DA2 and ta-da. You get insta look up to SWTOR quest grind with better visuals.
So keep "following" swtor ill watch it live on my room mates pc and judge it off that not some pos news articles or someone who has no idea what swtor is at all lolz
Those events dont trigger randomly. *Something* has to trigger them. Either time or player. And you have full control over them when you know what triggers them. Its just a *script*, not some etheric marvel.
You dont go from a to b on a reaction most the time the quest is done right then and there lol
Yah, and then you go to B. Just like any other player. You dont personally get all unique quests, everyone gets *same* quests. And you dont personally end up in special place. You end up where all other players end up. Its MMO, bummer, everyones a hero...or anti hero.
Its not like every other mmo as much as u want to make it that way. It is however better then lotro based on playing lotro for 3 years and seeing tor first hand
It has more fluff than LOTRO in that respect, but since that respect lasts very short, your story ends (gesstimate 25-30 hours of playing) and for the rest of leveling/x hours in endgame, until update comes, you grind stuff like in any other generic MMO. 25 hours of difference aint worth the hype/money/subscription they ask for.
theres more achievements in tor then all of middle earth put together and you dont have to do insane things to get them
There will be various achievements and i guarantee you that for some you *will* have to do insane things. Its just to keep those with too much time on their hands playing, its not some conspiracy against you.
Ive played da and most the stuff out there.
Very assuring. Ive played every BW game multiple times, (BG 1/2 over 30 times) and been playing MMOs for almost decade now.
If you want quest grind lotro is for you 100% no game can beat the grind of lotro. Have you even played swtor? at the cons or anywhere.
If you think that 7 days of leisurly playing 2-3 hours a day average to do all the quest is some "insane quest grind"...meh. Of course you dont have to quest grind, in LOTRO or SWTOR, you can go old school way and just kill stuff without quests. But since most of xp in both games comes from quests....you are encouraged to quest grind. In fact BW *wants* you to quest grind in SWTOR, since its only part of their game that has slight difference over other games.(and its a stretch to call it a difference).
If you want to know what grind is, try one of Korean grinders. Yah, ive played Lineage2 long time ago.
Btw grinding means doing the same thing type of thing over and over and over in lotro this is true in tor it is not. Hell i seen leveling off companions questlines storys lvling off crafting hell you can even lvl pvp'n 24/7 if you wanted to
Look up. Quests all come down to few basic types - kill/fetch. You do one of those 2 things, no matter what quest says.
BTW you can level in ettenmoors too. Just by PvP. In LOTRO. Yaaay. Not the whole way, but ROI. In fact few of people in my kinship have done a mix of quests/PvMP to get to 75. Yes, questing is much faster, just like it will be in SWTOR.
We still got gw/2 coming soon as well lotro is going to have to get off their butts evenrtually sigh..
As i said, GW2 might be a breath of fresh air, but not enough info is out yet, SWTOR wont be "that"game that brings something new, its made on well known formula "quest grind+raid/PvP gear grind in endgame".
lol all i have to say is your terribly misinformed about swtor if you were local i would let u come over and watch room mate play it.
You cant get the xp in the moors that u can in tor pvp. lolz lotro is just now 4 years in realizing that people should pvp for pvp gear not pve to pvp.
as for the rest its so off base i dont even know what to say.
Yes there is random stuff not triggered by him even he was surprised by that and going wth where did this guy come from
you dont to go to b you do the quest right then and there the majority of the time and when its done you dont go to where other people are the only exception i seen is storyline issues where your ship is
bioware doesnt want you to quest grind they want you to enjoy your story and have fun the quest grinds are bonus missions which are what are lotros main quests lolz
the rest is just meh stuff i know this based on what i seen with him i bought the collectors edition and and another deluxe one. Comparing lotro and this game even my room mate laughs now who used to be as firm as u were about lotro and how lotro is uber and all this he just says why doesnt lotro have this and cusses out turbine.
Ive played lotro since beta to launch to i used to love it to but theyve become very lazy and they just remesh crap my kin has quit the game and ive cancelled my accounts i just occasionally log in to talk to people about if there going to swtor. Its very sad roi is garbage from what i saw in beta i cancelled my pre order. There going to have to step thier game up with gw2 and swtor coming from what i seen in lotro thier all planning on going to 1 or the other.
Like i said its just sad but its thier own fault 4 years we should have gotten a lot more and i think even turbine feels they let us down to be honest. That no new pvp map bieng lied to 2 times now first time shame on me 2nd time shame on them.
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by starwarsnut
lol you mad bro? No pies in star wars man. I played the dragon age games and such
Those events dont trigger randomly. *Something* has to trigger them. Either time or player. And you have full control over them when you know what triggers them. Its just a *script*, not some etheric marvel.
You dont go from a to b on a reaction most the time the quest is done right then and there lol
Yah, and then you go to B. Just like any other player. You dont personally get all unique quests, everyone gets *same* quests. And you dont personally end up in special place. You end up where all other players end up. Its MMO, bummer, everyones a hero...or anti hero.
Its not like every other mmo as much as u want to make it that way. It is however better then lotro based on playing lotro for 3 years and seeing tor first hand
It has more fluff than LOTRO in that respect, but since that respect lasts very short, your story ends (gesstimate 25-30 hours of playing) and for the rest of leveling/x hours in endgame, until update comes, you grind stuff like in any other generic MMO. 25 hours of difference aint worth the hype/money/subscription they ask for.
theres more achievements in tor then all of middle earth put together and you dont have to do insane things to get them
There will be various achievements and i guarantee you that for some you *will* have to do insane things. Its just to keep those with too much time on their hands playing, its not some conspiracy against you.
Ive played da and most the stuff out there.
Very assuring. Ive played every BW game multiple times, (BG 1/2 over 30 times) and been playing MMOs for almost decade now.
If you want quest grind lotro is for you 100% no game can beat the grind of lotro. Have you even played swtor? at the cons or anywhere.
If you think that 7 days of leisurly playing 2-3 hours a day average to do all the quest is some "insane quest grind"...meh. Of course you dont have to quest grind, in LOTRO or SWTOR, you can go old school way and just kill stuff without quests. But since most of xp in both games comes from quests....you are encouraged to quest grind. In fact BW *wants* you to quest grind in SWTOR, since its only part of their game that has slight difference over other games.
If you want to know what grind is, try one of Korean grinders. Yah, ive played Lineage2 long time ago.
Btw grinding means doing the same thing type of thing over and over and over in lotro this is true in tor it is not. Hell i seen leveling off companions questlines storys lvling off crafting hell you can even lvl pvp'n 24/7 if you wanted to
Look up. Quests all come down to few basic types - kill/fetch. You do one of those 2 things, no matter what quest says.
BTW you can level in ettenmoors too. Just by PvP. In LOTRO. Yaaay. Not the whole way, but ROI. In fact few of people in my kinship have done a mix of quests/PvMP to get to 75. Yes, questing is much faster, just like it will be in SWTOR.
We still got gw/2 coming soon as well lotro is going to have to get off their butts evenrtually sigh..
As i said, GW2 might be a breath of fresh air, but not enough info is out yet, SWTOR wont be "that"game that brings something new, its made on well known formula "quest grind+raid/PvP gear grind in endgame".
lol all i have to say is your terribly misinformed about swtor if you were local i would let u come over and watch room mate play it.
Thank you, but ive seen enough.
You cant get the xp in the moors that u can in tor pvp. lolz lotro is just now 4 years in realizing that people should pvp for pvp gear not pve to pvp.
You can level in moors if you *want* to. You can do what you want. PvE to PvP? You have to get to level 10 and you can PvP.If you *want* to.
as for the rest its so off base i dont even know what to say.
Right.
Yes there is random stuff not triggered by him even he was surprised by that and going wth where did this guy come from
No comment.
you dont to go to b you do the quest right then and there the majority of the time and when its done you dont go to where other people are the only exception i seen is storyline issues where your ship is
No, when you finish your quest you just stand there forever, cause you go nowhere.
And no you *dont* get your personal unique quests in SWTOR. Jeebus.
bioware doesnt want you to quest grind they want you to enjoy your story and have fun the quest grinds are bonus missions which are what are lotros main quests lolz
And Turbine wants you to enjoy story, that in ROI is 30 chapters long, longest book so far. Rest is just filler. Like in SWTOR.
the rest is just meh stuff i know this based on what i seen with him i bought the collectors edition and and another deluxe one. Comparing lotro and this game even my room mate laughs now who used to be as firm as u were about lotro and how lotro is uber and all this he just says why doesnt lotro have this and cusses out turbine.
Where did i say LOTRO is uber? Its just another generic, MMO, just like SWTOR, but it happens that Turbine did marvelous world and feel of ME, and BW didnt.
Ive played lotro since beta to launch to i used to love it to but theyve become very lazy and they just remesh crap my kin has quit the game and ive cancelled my accounts i just occasionally log in to talk to people about if there going to swtor. Its very sad roi is garbage from what i saw in beta i cancelled my pre order. There going to have to step thier game up with gw2 and swtor coming from what i seen in lotro thier all planning on going to 1 or the other.
Good for them. I know 100000 people who - dont. Ive been playing from 2007, on and off, depending on the time, tried lot of MMOs in meantime, my kinship dates to 2007, still lot of people playing, and i end up in LOTRO. Always. Because, when im asked to do same stuff over and over again, i choose to be in better quality world, and that is Turbines ME. This applies to SWTOR also, maybe ill pick it up when it costs 10 bucks to go through storyline or 2, and thats about it. No intention to pay sub for another gear grind, when i get that for free in LOTRO.
Like i said its just sad but its thier own fault 4 years we should have gotten a lot more and i think even turbine feels they let us down to be honest. That no new pvp map bieng lied to 2 times now first time shame on me 2nd time shame on them.
Yah, people at Turbine cry every day over it. Starting LOTRO now will get you crapload of content more that starting SWTOR. And if you think updates in SWTOR will be lightning fast...think twice.
Grinding is doing some repetitively over and over. THat comes with quests, killing mobs, finsihign instances, getting gear/ Lotr and tor both will have grinding period you can not deny that. IN tor you grind your classes story quests (which everyone of yoru class get so they are not unique either.), or other quests that come up. YOu will grind instances which tor has as well, even gear to a point as well. Both games for the lack of time between them re the same game basically with a different skins that is no lie.
What i see is people who havent played tor or seen it played for an extended amount of time "ASSUMING" what they think tor is. I base what i see on my roommates monitor screen and the game itself and thats no lie,
Grinding is doing some repetitively over and over. THat comes with quests, killing mobs, finsihign instances, getting gear/ Lotr and tor both will have grinding period you can not deny that. IN tor you grind your classes story quests (which everyone of yoru class get so they are not unique either.), or other quests that come up. YOu will grind instances which tor has as well, even gear to a point as well. Both games for the lack of time between them re the same game basically with a different skins that is no lie.
Without going into any details I can assure you LOTRO and TOR are vastly different. That's all I will or can say about that. You'll "get it" in two months.
Bioware will screw up ToR, if their console games are any indication of their direction lately. They're only alive because of Mass Effect today. Pity because some years ago people saw Bioware in the same light as Bethesda.
And LoTRO has become a solo online game, not really a true MMO. GW2 is looking to change that. That, Archeage and FF14 Patch 2.0 in 2013 and hopefully true MMO comes back.
Bioware will screw up ToR, if their console games are any indication of their direction lately. They're only alive because of Mass Effect today. Pity because some years ago people saw Bioware in the same light as Bethesda.
And LoTRO has become a solo online game, not really a true MMO. GW2 is looking to change that. That, Archeage and FF14 Patch 2.0 in 2013 and hopefully true MMO comes back.
That's just you guessing. You will change your mind. Unless of course you've already choosen to be a GW2 troll that is.
Grinding is doing some repetitively over and over. THat comes with quests, killing mobs, finsihign instances, getting gear/ Lotr and tor both will have grinding period you can not deny that. IN tor you grind your classes story quests (which everyone of yoru class get so they are not unique either.), or other quests that come up. YOu will grind instances which tor has as well, even gear to a point as well. Both games for the lack of time between them re the same game basically with a different skins that is no lie.
Without going into any details I can assure you LOTRO and TOR are vastly different. That's all I will or can say about that. You'll "get it" in two months.
Ill ask you again, when you are done with your storyline in a week or two (if you need *that* much time for 25-30 hours of playing) and start grinding quests/flashpoints/operations/PvP for xp/gear. O, yah.
No they are not different, even *Bioware* said they are not different lol, as they themself classified it as generic MMO (WoW clone).
Oh, they are different (in one way) pardon me, LOTRO copied WoW in 2007, SWTOR did it in 2011 (on enormous budget etc. etc.) (we can call it 2012). In that repspect SWTOR is *much* worse.
Oh, they are different (in one way) pardon me, LOTRO copied WoW in 2007, SWTOR did it in 2011 (on enormous budget etc. etc.) (we can call it 2012). In that repspect SWTOR is *much* worse.
Turbine, the publishers of LOTRO, created Asheron's Call well before WoW was released. Blizzard did *not* create this genre, they just made it mainstream.
Grinding is doing some repetitively over and over. THat comes with quests, killing mobs, finsihign instances, getting gear/ Lotr and tor both will have grinding period you can not deny that. IN tor you grind your classes story quests (which everyone of yoru class get so they are not unique either.), or other quests that come up. YOu will grind instances which tor has as well, even gear to a point as well. Both games for the lack of time between them re the same game basically with a different skins that is no lie.
Without going into any details I can assure you LOTRO and TOR are vastly different. That's all I will or can say about that. You'll "get it" in two months.
Ill ask you again, when you are done with your storyline in a week or two (if you need *that* much time for 25-30 hours of playing) and start grinding quests/flashpoints/operations/PvP for xp/gear. O, yah.
No they are not different, even *Bioware* said they are not different lol, as they themself classified it as generic MMO (WoW clone).
Oh, they are different (in one way) pardon me, LOTRO copied WoW in 2007, SWTOR did it in 2011 (on enormous budget etc. etc.) (we can call it 2012). In that repspect SWTOR is *much* worse.
It's a lot deeper than that trust me and by even making the comparison to WoW shows you do not know what you're talking about. That said, I will not go into details so stop asking.
You wish to just spout rants that's your prerogative so by all means nock yourself out.
Oh, they are different (in one way) pardon me, LOTRO copied WoW in 2007, SWTOR did it in 2011 (on enormous budget etc. etc.) (we can call it 2012). In that repspect SWTOR is *much* worse.
Turbine, the publishers of LOTRO, created Asheron's Call well before WoW was released. Blizzard did *not* create this genre, they just made it mainstream.
No wai! But i have to ask: what does your answer have to do what i have written?
Grinding is doing some repetitively over and over. THat comes with quests, killing mobs, finsihign instances, getting gear/ Lotr and tor both will have grinding period you can not deny that. IN tor you grind your classes story quests (which everyone of yoru class get so they are not unique either.), or other quests that come up. YOu will grind instances which tor has as well, even gear to a point as well. Both games for the lack of time between them re the same game basically with a different skins that is no lie.
Without going into any details I can assure you LOTRO and TOR are vastly different. That's all I will or can say about that. You'll "get it" in two months.
Ill ask you again, when you are done with your storyline in a week or two (if you need *that* much time for 25-30 hours of playing) and start grinding quests/flashpoints/operations/PvP for xp/gear. O, yah.
No they are not different, even *Bioware* said they are not different lol, as they themself classified it as generic MMO (WoW clone).
Oh, they are different (in one way) pardon me, LOTRO copied WoW in 2007, SWTOR did it in 2011 (on enormous budget etc. etc.) (we can call it 2012). In that repspect SWTOR is *much* worse.
It's a lot deeper than that trust me and by even making the comparison to WoW shows you do not know what you're talking about. That said, I will not go into details so stop asking.
You wish to just spout rants that's your prerogative so by all means nock yourself out.
You are deluded if you think im asking for anything. Making new account just to write in this topic is....funny.
There are only two people ranting in this thread and neither of them is me.
This topic is about ROI in LOTRO, not how SWTOR is uber (it aint) and how its different than <insert generic MMO name> (it aint...again).
I've only played a few hours of it but so far I'm pretty underwhelmed. It doesn't feel like I'm doing much different then I was in Enedwaith...just with different names. Overall, the story arcs and quests all feel like things I've seen and done plenty of times before. I haven't encountered anything new or particularly interesting about gameplay either.
It's not badly done.....it's just for a paid expansion....I would have expected a little more "Ooomph" or something.....something to change it up a bit or add some new experience/feel to the game given how stagnant it's been for a long time now.
I really think they should have done something to try to make the story/region feel different from what we've experienced before.... (for example Forochel...free expansion back in the sub days....was a very decent sized zone and had a distinctly different feel as a zone and story arc to elsewhere in the game).
I also really think they should have been able to add at least 1 semi-significant gameplay addition...... Mounted-Combat, a new hobby, a new crafting proffesion, class, horse-breeding, pvmp zone, stamp collecting, anything..... something to breath a little new life into the game.
(IMO) We've been patient enough with F2P and the stasis mode it's put on actual game-play improvements for long enough that they REALLY needed to bring something more to the table.
As it is.....myself and most of the guild members I've talked to get a sorta "meh" feeling from ROI. It's nice to be gaining levels again and have some more content to do....but it all seems very "been there, done that" .
At least Dunland does so far...maybe the Gap and Isengard itself will feel different.
I agree with this. I too have only played a few hours and that is due to how boring it is. I just don't think the game is offering much with this new expansion except more levels and quests and 3 new zones that look like the last 3 zones put into the game. Lack of a new game system is apparent here as well, like you said. Anything would have been nice, a new hobby, mounted combat, something to break up the monotony of the how the game has been for the last 2 years.
Actually, I should be honest and say my 2 main issues with Lotro and most MMORPGs these days are:
1. Quests that send me back and forth to the exact same area more than once. STOP doing this! Holy crap, just give me all the quests for that area or make them continue while I'm IN the area instead of making me plod back through the 30 orcs I just killed, AGAIN.
2. Mobs, regular mobs mind you, do they really need to stun me in every fight? It just makes the fight tedious, boring and makes the flow of combat feel extremely slow. Stuns should be reserved for elite mobs or bosses.
Me too. I am stuck at 69 and already bored out of my skull.
This expansion is too solo driven. Too much On Rails. Forcing you to follow a sertain path through the content, WITHOUT any freedom of exploration whatsoever!
This whole expansion is nothing like how LOTRO used to be! And it's sad to come to a conclusion that this game isn't gonna last very long. Minas Tirith and Mordor is something we probably will never see.
I really don't know what is going at Turbine? Seeing this expansion and what it delivered. Seeing the last Update on DDO. They pretty much screwed over VIP to the point that it has become utterly useless to continue to subscribe.
More and more emphasis and resources are being put on the Cash Shop, while less and less effort is put into the game itself!
A lot of people have now reached level75 by now (those that didn't get bored before reaching it) and are now left to do the same old skirmishes and instances they were already doing for a year at level65.
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Personally, the thing about universe is that Turbine has done magnificent job (sans some ....mmm....oddities like Foundation of Stone), while BW went "stilized realism"?, which just sounds and looks....bland, to be mild.
Gameplay will be the same, especially in endgame, raid -> gear -> raid -> gear or PvP -> gear ->PvP -> gear....which is just sad.
And yah, dont think it will impact LOTRO much, i love both IPs, but as far as immersion goes (since its only differentiator here) Turbine gets the prize.
Just dont know where "starwarsnut" got that SWTOR wont be quest grind+gear grind, when BW continually says that they are not moving an inch from that formula.
im sure swtor will be wow and lotro clone only with skins of jedi's XD
i myself like isengard..also new nice experience to work for orcs for a moment to escape imprisonement.
Nice landscapes (i like landscapes :P) ..only thing that could ever be awesomer is the big battlefield in front of minas tirith :P but itll take some time before we arrive there...i yust hope they keep advancing their graphics to so itll actually compete with newer games
https://ashesofcreation.com/r/Y4U3PQCASUPJ5SED
I was hoping we'd be further along by now, when the game launched the developers said it would be a five year project to get to Mordor. It's been 4 1/2, nearly 5, we're not quite there yet...
LOTRO is definitely worth playing though, and I personally think it is a highly underrated title. It has a LOT of content to offer, the best fantasy setting of all time, and the most flexible F2P payment model of any AAA title that has undergone a F2P conversion.
I started a new character just to see how easy it was to earn TP, and after less than a week that single character has earned 765 TP, just by playing the game. That is enough to buy 3 quest packs right away, and get a new character to 50.
Completely free, and completely permanent.
Really, so in SWTOR you dont:
a) get quest
b) do the objectives of the quest which usually involves killing pigs and rats and jawas...
c) turn in quest for rewards/finish automatically
d) continue to next quest-giver
no?
Yah, its *totally* different to get quest "kill 10 boars and big papa boar", or "kill papa boar" and you have to kill 10 boars on your way there. wow.
Its just a quest grind like any other, with cinematics you can skip if you want, just like you skip text.
You change nothing, and you impact nothing, just like any other MMO.
So you grind quests to lvl50, then switch to grind raids/PvP for gear. What a great inovative gameplay. I *cant* resist...no wait i can. FYI ive been following SWTOR for quite a few years now, and its *clearly* copy, generic MMO just like LOTRO/Rift. On top of that visuals are so bad, "stilized realism" say whaa?
Sorry if you missed when 1 of the doctors said "yea we are making WoW 1,5". And numerous BW staff repeatedly saying "we go by generic".
And yah, ill cut my pinky off if you wont have to grind stuff for your glowy stick. It seems you dont know how generic MMO works. Let me sum it up for you "grind, grind, grind, and then grind some more". No grindfest lol, youll grind quests, raids/PvP for gear just like in any othere generic themeark MMO.
LOTROs business model is best in the industry.
Oh man, you mean ther RP in RPG game. I think you will hate SWTOR cause there will be even more RP. And you can go kill monsters anytime anywhere in any of those game you mention, no difference there. Nobody points gun to your head and says "deliver that pie in LOTRO or youre dead".
You can play a Hobbit you know, and making/delivering/eating pies is their specialty. Shame on you Turbine for making fun, totally optional quests, and put some RPG in RPG. *Totally* immersion breaking
I mean i want to gank lowbi hobitses in Shire whaaaa, whaaaa, whaaa.
And FYI, ROI looks and feels great. Just like Eriador and Moria and Mirkwood. LOTRO has flaws, but how world looks and feels in 99% cases is *definately* not one of them, quite the contrary, its one of its biggest strenghts.
And yah, "i" stand behind what i said.
I heard there's more wolves :P
Why do i see the name SW:TOR pop up all over in this topic..... Wasn't it a LOTRO question the OP asked?
I just hate it when people start promoting other games outside of its actuall forum...
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
lol i wasnt trying to sell tor but he wanted to start a tor/lotro debate which is sore subject in real life with roommate lol.
Grinding is doing some repetitively over and over. THat comes with quests, killing mobs, finsihign instances, getting gear/ Lotr and tor both will have grinding period you can not deny that. IN tor you grind your classes story quests (which everyone of yoru class get so they are not unique either.), or other quests that come up. YOu will grind instances which tor has as well, even gear to a point as well. Both games for the lack of time between them re the same game basically with a different skins that is no lie.
What i see is people who havent played tor or seen it played for an extended amount of time "ASSUMING" what they think tor is. I base what i see on my roommates monitor screen and the game itself and thats no lie,
Without going into any details I can assure you LOTRO and TOR are vastly different. That's all I will or can say about that. You'll "get it" in two months.
Bioware will screw up ToR, if their console games are any indication of their direction lately. They're only alive because of Mass Effect today. Pity because some years ago people saw Bioware in the same light as Bethesda.
And LoTRO has become a solo online game, not really a true MMO. GW2 is looking to change that. That, Archeage and FF14 Patch 2.0 in 2013 and hopefully true MMO comes back.
That's just you guessing. You will change your mind. Unless of course you've already choosen to be a GW2 troll that is.
Ill ask you again, when you are done with your storyline in a week or two (if you need *that* much time for 25-30 hours of playing) and start grinding quests/flashpoints/operations/PvP for xp/gear. O, yah.
No they are not different, even *Bioware* said they are not different lol, as they themself classified it as generic MMO (WoW clone).
Oh, they are different (in one way) pardon me, LOTRO copied WoW in 2007, SWTOR did it in 2011 (on enormous budget etc. etc.) (we can call it 2012). In that repspect SWTOR is *much* worse.
Turbine, the publishers of LOTRO, created Asheron's Call well before WoW was released. Blizzard did *not* create this genre, they just made it mainstream.
It's a lot deeper than that trust me and by even making the comparison to WoW shows you do not know what you're talking about. That said, I will not go into details so stop asking.
You wish to just spout rants that's your prerogative so by all means nock yourself out.
No wai! But i have to ask: what does your answer have to do what i have written?
You are deluded if you think im asking for anything. Making new account just to write in this topic is....funny.
There are only two people ranting in this thread and neither of them is me.
This topic is about ROI in LOTRO, not how SWTOR is uber (it aint) and how its different than <insert generic MMO name> (it aint...again).
Me too. I am stuck at 69 and already bored out of my skull.
This expansion is too solo driven. Too much On Rails. Forcing you to follow a sertain path through the content, WITHOUT any freedom of exploration whatsoever!
This whole expansion is nothing like how LOTRO used to be! And it's sad to come to a conclusion that this game isn't gonna last very long. Minas Tirith and Mordor is something we probably will never see.
I really don't know what is going at Turbine? Seeing this expansion and what it delivered. Seeing the last Update on DDO. They pretty much screwed over VIP to the point that it has become utterly useless to continue to subscribe.
More and more emphasis and resources are being put on the Cash Shop, while less and less effort is put into the game itself!
A lot of people have now reached level75 by now (those that didn't get bored before reaching it) and are now left to do the same old skirmishes and instances they were already doing for a year at level65.