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Current seige system review
MONEWS
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We all know the current seige system is nothing to talk about. A long time player has given his review. Hopefully the TC patch coming out between now and the end of time will address it.
http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/67900-sieges-joke.html
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 Sieges are a JOKE.Hey there...As people know. there were quite a few sieges in the passt weeks. and i wanted to take my time, and write down a short review of my own about the siege system. well. lets start with the gate first.... to take it down, Manganon is too expensive... and Hailcaster is unmoveble....so basicly if u come to siege a palisade for the first time....without a ninja destruction of the gate. it is literaly impossible. a not fully built hailcaster/manganon will get destroyed in 1-2 arrows...and there is no way to eliminate the archers....so basicly only ninja siege is the only way out ( or exploiting in ). once the gate is down this way or another... were inside the palisade. Same problem with the manganon , archers in an unreacheable area ( top of the keep).also a manganon can be placed on the keep roof. and this siege weapon is unreacheble aswell.... Keep destruction. Well i am sure people will agree that the keep Health is insane.... 20 milion HP give or take. equals to 2k boulders. 1 boulder holder can hold how much? ohh yes 35? and we have only 3 toon slots in our acc.... sooo....... 2000boulders / 35 per toon.... its...ammm.... 58? 58...lets make it 60 considering looses on battlefield.... its 20 accaunts... for 1 keep. not including the houses in the palisade..... every man can carry 12 boulders... so basicly to get the boulders in place u need to run 167 times to get boulders..... well i can see the realism in this.... i cant see the balance with FUN.... also... can anyone explain me WHY...WHY do we need to DESTROY stuff? why cant we conquer it?! i mean what conqueror in the history burned a castle to the ground just to rebuild it from ruins....? well thats how i see the bulshit siege system... thanks for reading...hope for improvement. |
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The Keep Destruction "issue" seems more like a problem with MOs population. Needing 20 accounts to destroy a Keep doesn't seem like much. You cant have an MMO with FPS numbers
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opinions about the siege system, from the "patriarch" forum:
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There seems to be a general outrage within the community at the moment concerning the actions in game over the last few weeks. The blatant abuse of game mechanics by certain people and more so the lack of reasonable response by GM's.
I thought this was dealt with during the last war, where dubious means were being used by certain people to destroy assets, asset destruction was turned off. Why has it not been done in this case? Although It is rather late to do it now...
I think the community as a whole deserves some explanation on why things have not been dealt with swiftly and professionally by the GM team on this subject and why all threads concerning it have been closed. I have no doubt that this thread will end the same way but this is a Patriarch forum. It was created so the community leaders can have their say and if you are stopping them doing so then why have this in the first place? Hiding behind closed and deleted threads will solve nothing.
Two keeps have been destroyed over the past few days under dubious means, that should have been dealt with at the time. This is not good for the game and the GM and mod response to it is nothing but detrimental to the game and the population. In every siege I have been to the use of exploits (The same ones) Have been dealt with differently by the same GM,s. From banning the player using them to eventually saying its not an exploit and doing nothing about it at all.
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Hard to not agree with this, and a explaination why no measures were taken to prevent things going as they did while such was done in the past would be most appreciated. Obviously, not getting such explaination explains enough aswell, it is SV's call here really.
Yet, no matter if we get an explaination or not, the way things are I still request an official answer on this single question:
MO has plenty of means to destroy things but in my view not a single working means to defend things. Even more so, there's plenty glitches allowed to freely use that enhance the destructive side, while using one of the few possible glitches has been supressed fiercely.
Talking about a large group of players owning a pallisade, what effective means does SV think would players have to defend what they worked for in the past payed months of their gametime ?
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The main problem here is how exploits and cheaters are dealt with in MO. I have GM on a few titles some Major some minor, but the way cheaters and exploiters are handled in other games is far more strict.
For example: When AOC launched there was a major exploit involving Necromancers, They basically could summon unlimited creatures to fight for them which allowed one guild in particular to to speed level all there toons and clear every dungeon in the game with ease. When our GM staff found out about it we simply banned them... The whole guild... 74 people in all. This was a perma ban even though it was a broken game mechanic and no hacks were used it was very clear that these people were cheaters and knew that they were cheating.
No warning, No "I better not catch you doing this again" But simply goodbye you are not welcome to play this game anymore. The problem with MO is there is not any deterrence to cheating or exploiting. Warning's and 1-7 day bans are laughable. I mean at least in other games if you get caught cheating and get a temp ban they delete all your possessions and in some cases delete or "de-Level" your character as a further punishment.
Until SV takes this sort of tough stance on cheaters it will always be a problem that plagues MO. Once players realize that if they get caught cheating that they will be perma ban with no chance of returning on that account this type of behavior will be cured. As of now though it pays to be a cheater in MO. Cheaters get to have there fun, ruin other peoples enjoyment of the game, and do this with the game policies aiding the cheaters to keep cheating.
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Well SV will deal with it as always - don't say anything and hope that people forget about it.
In the meanwhile the party that benefited from this will craptalk about the "victims" and it's declared as whining and searching for "excuses" why they "weren't able to defend their shit".
That's pretty much the way it works.
EDIT: Black Opal mentioned that he wanted to set up a meeting with the parties involved though.
I doubt that this will lead to anything.
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Please tell me why this discussion deserves the Patriarch's forum? As I see it, you have went against my own request and have continued to argue as if this was public IRC; few have dropped their attitudes in order to come together and come up with anything real; or even close to a resolution.
Instead I see flaming, insulting and near faceroll raging. This is why I don't like the Patriarch's section and think that there needs to be a better solution for this, and if things keep going like you guys have been keeping up, I will just remove this section and treat it as another aspect of Maerlyn's Time that never worked.
I have not said anything about an organized meeting in regards to the issue; and I have no idea where you are pulling that from. If this was any other section of the forum I would have probably infracted you for it for putting words into the mouth of Starvault Staff; as has become popular in some instances.
Great leniency has been shown in this section for the type of discussion that can occur, despite great protest from some. Please do not prove me wrong in front of everyone involved, and please demonstrate that this section is actually worth something and can be used for discussion of a higher quality than anywhere else on the forum, and the community at large.
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Originally Posted by Black Opal
Please tell me why this discussion deserves the Patriarch's forum? As I see it, you have went against my own request and have continued to argue as if this was public IRC; few have dropped their attitudes in order to come together and come up with anything real; or even close to a resolution.
Instead I see flaming, insulting and near faceroll raging. This is why I don't like the Patriarch's section and think that there needs to be a better solution for this, and if things keep going like you guys have been keeping up, I will just remove this section and treat it as another aspect of Maerlyn's Time that never worked.
I have not said anything about an organized meeting in regards to the issue; and I have no idea where you are pulling that from. If this was any other section of the forum I would have probably infracted you for it for putting words into the mouth of Starvault Staff; as has become popular in some instances.
Great leniency has been shown in this section for the type of discussion that can occur, despite great protest from some. Please do not prove me wrong in front of everyone involved, and please demonstrate that this section is actually worth something and can be used for discussion of a higher quality than anywhere else on the forum, and the community at large.
The problem is Black Opal that nothing ever gets done. We talk, promises are made and then nothing comes of it. I still have many chat logs and TS/Vent/ Mumble conversations recorded between us during the AQ war when many things were promised to be solved asap and that are still problems. You arranged several meetings that you did not turn up to, leaving several of the community leaders sitting around scratching their heads.
This sort of thing needs to stop. There is NO customer care to speak of with SV. Basically its, you play the game, you get screwed, its your fault. Not the person who exploited and screwed you.
Then there is the massive amount of information that is kept from the community. Decisions by GMs, if people were banned, GMs association with guilds etc. Its way, way too covered up and that just causes more problems because when people cant clearly see things they will come up with their own assumptions.
Posts are deleted, locked and swept under the carpet when people complain. So many people don't even use the forums any more due to this its pretty much only grievers and trolls now.
Something needs to change asap.
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Black Opal,
All we ask is that SV communicate with us, the paying customer. If we didn't believe in what MO stands for we would just unsub and have call it good. We also realize that posts sometimes explode into flame-wars, but what do you expect when we cannot get SV to issue a statement at all? What we do get is GM statements on the forums treating well know issues like they are brand new. Then add the fact that in-game support tends to be mostly inconsistent and you get tons of players doubting the honesty of SV as a whole. I do agree, though, that flaming needs to not be here in this section. I personally bring the concerns of my Guild-mates to this section in hopes that those concerns are heard and responded to in some fashion. But that has not happened in a good long while.....
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Isn't the Patriarch's forum some invite only section ?
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You are correct. I am glad we are shwon the guild leaders are told "shut up nothing to see here" with all of the regular people. I wonder if SV should of done the same as Final Fantasy. Not issue a sub until the game is at a realistic level to pay for.
As of now it is a paid alpha and if you complain about it you are banned or deleted, maybe even a fanzealot flaming you.
So even the players helping steer the game can't speak their mind in a closed forum blocked from the paying public?
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they can speak their mind, but nobody cares.
the "patriarch" section has been totally ignored by the devs, but I guess that will change if people start being critical instead of "constructive".
It would appear BO cares, thus his threats.
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yeah, that was my point.
as long as people are being "constructive" and post suggestions and elaborate feedback (in the case of the "patriarch" section, this is the feedback from entire guilds), the devs ignore them.
when they are critical of GM behaviour and demand an end to rampant exploitation plus an explanation for the recent shady GM acts, BO acts instantly and threatens to close down the whole section.